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July 2
Dugout

18 posts
just wondering the rule
at the beginning of the game teams exchanges balls when deciding who is home team with the ump at home with your initials of your team to identify your ball to hit. the pitchers is supposed to be aware of what ball he is using correct. your team comes to bat and the ball seems dead not sounding right after the second batter bats and have 1 or 2 outs the third batter hits foul ball in corner so coach throws in new ball which he is holding and we get ball hit in corner ...the ball is dirty and used before and has initials from other team. what is the recourse from this that should happen ...just curious ...thinking pitcher should be ejected or replay inning from start ? kinda like getting caught with an illegal bat? i consider it cheating on their end and its not like they were a new team been around for some time ...


just looking for what should of been done ....
July 2
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4337 posts
just wondering the rule
Dugout ... There isn't really a rule on this, and therefore no remedy other than "lesson learned by unfortunate experience" ... This is more a matter of what should NOT have been done ... The teams should probably not exchange softballs prior to (or during) the game ... There is too much temptation and/or opportunity for shenanigans to occur, as you now know ...

The proper procedure is for each team to introduce balls into the game only through the umpire ... A very efficient manner to do this is for the umpire to have a couple/few of each team's softballs in his/her possession at the start of each inning ... If one gets "lost", then the team simply replenishes that one to the umpire ... Potential for problems increases when softballs are tossed from the dugout directly to the pitcher ... The umpire should know what ball is being used and not toss in anything that deviates from that ...

July 2
grayhitter59
Men's 60
345 posts
just wondering the rule
Dugout, just a bit of advise. Most teams coaches keep a ball with them in the coaches box, if something doesn't sound right or ball gets dirty or wet or HR, he usually exchanges good ball or new ball with the pitcher.

Standing joke is "we just got it out of the cooler"
So, I guess like Dave said lesson learn.

MQ
July 2
17Black
Men's 60
414 posts
just wondering the rule
Different Association, similar story. I have always "exchanged" game balls with the coach in front of the umpire before the coin flip at tourneys. One time I didn't.

Last Year on the last day of a tourney, the pitcher from opposing team comes up to me and tells me he is pitching & if he could have the game ball, about five minutes before the coin flip. I didn't think much of it so gave him a game ball. I go out to coach 3rd & our lead off hitter hits a foul ball down the line............ sounded weird, left fielder threw it to the 3rd baseman, off line right to me...........it wasn't the game ball at all. It was a used piece of mush. I called it out to the ump and opposing pitcher immediately. "Ump" didn't/ wouldn't do anything. But I told our batter to stay out of the box and asked where the game ball was?? The Pitcher I gave it to, played dumb for a minute, but he gave it to a girl in the stands who put it in her purse........... she threw it back and in and said it was "her bad".......guy to me should have been "Ejected" in my opinion

I don't know how many other teams (or individuals) do this, but keep your eyes open. Some people always looking for an illegal advantage.
July 2
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4337 posts
just wondering the rule
17Black ... Your experience brought back an hysterical memory for me ... First time ever I was a T.D. at the Winter Nationals in Ft. Myers, FL in 2006 or so ... Game between a couple of very good Major+ teams, Boaz Exports (TX) and Team Florida ... Close game in the late innings and I didn't really know any of the players then, especially the two "Clown Princes" (with total respect to both) in this story ... Jim Cary pitching for Boaz and Ed Rose at bat for Florida with a couple of guys on base ... Cary calls time and runs into his dugout to do "something" like get a new hat or sunglasses as an excuse ... Comes back out and on the first pitch, Rose absolutely destroys it ... LITERALLY ...

Cary had swapped out the ball for a 10-year-old beat-up marshmallow ... That ball exploded and there were feathers EVERYWHERE between the batters box and about half way to the SS ... Rose is screaming and I think (erroneously) that he's going to charge the mound ... Cary is doubled over laughing so hard he can barely stand up ... Director me is basically paralyzed into inaction! ... After things calmed down a bit, Ed Rose told me why he got so mad: He claimed to have been the one who showed Cary that trick and he couldn't believe he fell for it himself ... Still one of the all-time great memories, right Larry Lopez? ... You were there, too! ...

July 2
Alamo

27 posts
just wondering the rule
We were playing against Cary team in Houston a few years ago when this happened.
Cary is running from 2nd to 3rd, we had him dead caught and he starts to limb and calls time -- the blue calls time and stops the play n allows a runner to run for him from 2nd. We won the game; we still play against him now in 75' but we take our chances with him😃
July 2
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4337 posts
just wondering the rule
Alamo ... That's 100% believable and 0% surprising! ... Hilarious! ...
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