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Discussion: Tag/No tag play -- does the tagged run count?

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Nov. 4, 2021
jgoff5113
Men's 60
58 posts
Tag/No tag play -- does the tagged run count?
Scenario: Runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out. Batter hits a fly ball to deep right field. Runner on 1st (or his base coach) decides that there's no way the ball is going to be caught, so that runner takes off right away. Meanwhile, the runner/base coach at 3rd knows that he's going to score whether the ball is caught or not, so he stays on the base (tags up). The right fielder makes a great over-the shoulder diving catch. The runner who started the play at 1st rounds 2nd, and by the time he can be told by his 3rd base coach to get back to 1st, the outfielder is able to get up and throw to 1st in time to beat the returning runner for the 3rd out. But before the ball reaches the 1st baseman, the runner who tagged at 3rd crosses the scoring line. Should that run count?
Nov. 4, 2021
Duckman
5 posts
Run counts. Runner not tagging up is a Timed Out with the 3rd out occurring at that time.
Nov. 4, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 70
3727 posts
Duckman is correct ... Run counts on this "timing play" ... Many people erroneously believe this is a force play on the runner returning to 1st base, and therefore claim the run doesn't count because the 3rd out is a "force" out ... Simple rule: ALL force outs occur on either a batter-runner or a base runner ADVANCING to the NEXT base ... Third out at first and run scores on the timing play is the proper call ...
Nov. 5, 2021
jgoff5113
Men's 60
58 posts
Thanks Dave and Duckman! That's exactly what I wanted to understand: Whether this is a timing play or treated like a force out.
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