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June 14
Haoleboy14
Men's 50
16 posts
player ratings
So since when did senior softball start rating players you gonna do it do it for everyone i see teams in 40's and 50's major who should be without a doubt major plus i also see both divisions aaa that have major players that are playing aaa so whats the deal i jus moved up to 50's this year and the team that im on for that division is aaa which in the last 2 years won a total of 2 games.Now they wanna bump us up to majors look at the team the way they competed in the division a couple players wont make a damn difference.
June 14
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4359 posts
player ratings
"SSUSA doesn't rate players" (posted for at least the 100th time) ... We do, however, keep track of the teams players play with and the ratings of the teams at the relevant times ... If you have a question about a specific situation, please call the Sacramento office at (916) 326.5303 between 9:00 AM - 4:00 PM Pacific time ... Ask for an "eligibility specialist" and be prepared to speak in specifics as to who you are and the player(s) and team(s) that are the subject of your inquiry ... We don't do anonymous theory speculation ... If this is just an average generalized complaint, well, then, noted, and carry on! ...

June 14
mck71
Men's 60
348 posts
player ratings
H14 - So SSUSA uses the Rating Index for teams, not perfect but it's THEIR system. In their system, if you play 40M you are a R/I of 9, 50AAA is a R/I of 7, you are NOT allowed to add players who are 2 levels higher, pretty simple. Now to your question about Major players playing in AAA, yes that IS allowed up to 3.

Here is the link to Rating Index in case you didn't know where to find it: https://www.seniorsoftball.com/wc/wc2016/Ratings-Index-Chart.pdf

So teams have 2 options in your scenario:
1) If they want you to play with them, they HAVE to move to Major and you would count as 1 of their 3 allowable higher rating players
2) You can't play 50AAA with that team but could play with a 50M team and still count as one of the 3 higher rated players

NOTE: should you play with a 50M team the next 2 years, then your new "rating" would allow you to play 50AAA as 1 of the 3 allowable higher rated players.

The only other way to change that would be with a medical exemption but like Dave said, call the office on PST, they will be more than happy to help with anything he or I stated.

And I do get what you are saying. Suppose your team wins Vegas, your are excited and then you realize you are automatically bumped up (even worse when you finish 2nd or 3rd and get bumped). Best guys want to compete against the best but to go from M to M+ sometimes not great because of the lack of M+ teams (been debated on here a lot, especially in the older divisions 60 and up). You had 12 guys win the championship and we all know you could not have won without all 12 contributing BUT let's face, some guys are just better than others but SSUSA doesn't know which are the "better ones" (I just cracked myself up typing that) so all 12 are now Major or Major + players, pretty simple.

First tourney we played Major we went 0 - 5, def not fun but we got better.

Hope this helps and Good luck!
June 15
Haoleboy14
Men's 50
16 posts
player ratings
ok so here is the dilemma we are in our 50's team played AAA since 2017 in 2019 2 players moved to play from our 40's major to play 50's aaa which they only won 1 game in the tourney but the team stayed in aaa which the last couple years only won 3 games in the last 3 years so now that we have 2 more players that are 50 and dont wanna play 40's which have been playing major since 2016 they wanna bump our 50's aaa team to major mind you our 40's team has never placed in the top 5 of any tourney and has never gotten close to win any senior tourney so how can players who played aaa last year still be considered major players on a team who won only 3 games in the last 3 years in aaa
June 15
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4359 posts
player ratings
Please call the Sacramento Home Office as suggested above ... Your "dilemma" is not unique and is the result of the guys who are "playing younger" on a higher rated team than your primary 50+ team ... The coldly objective analysis is that if your players are good enough to play 40-Major (Rating Index = 9), they will not be permitted to play 50-AAA (R/I=7) because that's two rating levels different ... But if your 50's W-L performance data is accurate, those guys aren't necessarily creating a competitive advantage that's translating into wins ...

The problem goes away if those guys stop playing 40's ... When players age up, they "take their experience rating with them", in their case 50-Major (R/I=8), and would be eligible for your 50-AAA team as one of the three allowed out-of-rating players ... But the moment they drop back down to 40's, they re-establish the actual 40-Major R/I=9 tag ... Good luck on this one!

June 15
Dbax
Men's 65
2112 posts
player ratings
That’s a dam long sentence!
June 15
Rob64
Men's 60
221 posts
player ratings
So Haoleboy don't go to Vegas. I've seen teams never move up but always win the local tournaments staying under the radar because they don't do Vegas. Vegas is a team killer because they don't rate players just teams.
June 15
CaliBraves
Men's 40
18 posts
player ratings
If your playing 40's Major and also play on a 50's Major Team, you are automictically rated to 50 Major Plus and considered a chip on your 50's Major team.
June 15
mck71
Men's 60
348 posts
player ratings
That is correct CB unless you give up playing 40M as Dave alluded to above. Once you age up, you carry you personally carry the rating of the last team you played with so if you played 40Major, you are now a 50M player. IF you keep playing 40M while still playing 50M, yes you Rating Index of 9 (40M and 50M+) are the same and you CAN play 50M but count as 1 of the chips as you stated. Happened to me, was 55M, aged up to 60M. I was asked to play with a different 55M team and I did but luckily only 1 time and then simply stopped playing down for fear of not being able to play with my current team (luckily we did not have any other M+ players at the time). Understanding the nuances of the rules helps, took me a while and I am still learning! lol
June 15
Haoleboy14
Men's 50
16 posts
player ratings
So i have 3 guys who last played 40's major in 2019 and have never gone back and will not play 40's and played 50's aaa in 2021 but still listed as major players this year i was told to email bobby about it but email takes to long
June 15
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4359 posts
player ratings
Maybe the THIRD time's a charm: Please call the Sacramento Home Office as suggested above ... This intellectual wasteland is the LAST place you should rely upon for resolving an issue personal to you and your team ...
June 16
curveball
Men's 65
705 posts
player ratings
Sometimes the Team Rating is very tough on an individual player. In 2021, very early in the season, I was tagging along with buds on a 70 Major team, totally as the last extra guy or a pinch runner if needed. I think I pinch ran twice, and had a total of 3 at bats. That was my contribution to the team. Manager (friend) passed away, new management, I was out. The rating of 70 Major is way above my skill level, I'm a 79 year old and rated 70 Major! I can play 80's... I've been unable to land on a team I'm qualified to play on, no tourneys since early 2021, hoping I can get this Team Rating off my back after sitting out for 2 seasons. 78 and 79 are NOT the years you want to sit not playing. There aren't that many years to waste.
As teams called Sacramento to add me to their roster, they found out my current rating. Rules are the rules, I'll live with them, but don't have to like them.
June 16
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4359 posts
player ratings
curveball ... You may be getting less than accurate advice ... Your player rating experience only follows you for one year (plus the current Season) because you are over 70 years young ... It's not a two-year deal anymore for those of us that have hit that milestone decade ... Call Sacramento and get confirmation ... Good luck ...
June 16
curveball
Men's 65
705 posts
player ratings
That I will do, thank you.
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