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| Sept. 15, 2022 Perl 212 posts | The new Senior Baden ball. So what’s the opinion on the new Baden Senior ball now that teams in Vegas have hit it? |
| Sept. 15, 2022 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | That's query #2 ... Come on now, I need a few more to get to the "OVER" on this Parlay bet with another Director! |
| Sept. 15, 2022 B.J. 1106 posts | just trying to help you out.. DD .. what’s the opinion on the new Baden Senior ball?? |
| Sept. 15, 2022 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | Thanks B.J. ... I knew I could count on you! ... The good news is in what we're NOT hearing: COMPLAINTS ... This ball is going to be just fine, in fact, likely to be better than fine ... The guys who jack it out of the park regularly will still do so ... Those who don't, won't ... And nobody is mentioning any incidents of "The Rock Knuckleball Flutter" factor ... Cheers! |
| Sept. 15, 2022 lb16 Men's 60 196 posts | Steve - Ball is not bad not as good as the Tattoo comparable to the Usssa Pro M in my opinion. |
| Sept. 15, 2022 SKings24 60 posts | I’m a State Director who hosts Adult and Senior events, have used the Trump Rock, Classic M, Dudley Advanced and this ball in my opinion doesn’t stand up to those. The new ball ShortPorch I used one event and got reviews that compares it to the Trump. Just my 2 cents worth. |
| Sept. 15, 2022 lb16 Men's 60 196 posts | SKings - I agree with you on the comparison. Comparing to Senior balls out there the new Baden ball lags a good bit behind The Tattos that ISSA and now SPA use. Why SSUSA didn't just get there own version from Tattoo who knows. Maybe Dave can answer that. But will say this is the best ball SSUSA has used recently.JMO! |
| Sept. 15, 2022 yankeesfan12 29 posts | Its amazing how many wine about the ball there using in a certain tournament. All you guys must think your some kind of super home run hitters. Something you need to look at both teams are using the same ball if it sucks for you it sucks for them. learn to hit singles, move the runners play a little small ball. I'd take guys anytime that can hit for a high average not guys that think they can hit a home run everytime up and hitting 250/300 for the tournament. THERES NO "I" IN TEAM, THE LAST TIME I LOOKED THE GAME IS STILL A TEAM SPORT. |
| Sept. 16, 2022 mck71 Men's 60 344 posts | SKings - I am sure your opinion and review might be spot on BUT based on my math (and using what data is on this website), there are 587 mens teams competing in Vegas, each team get 6 balls, that is 3,522 (or 293.5 doz or 49+ CASES). Trying to make sure all balls are equal seems to be the priority and getting that many was probably a little harder then what you had to get for your tourneys this year (seems you had multiple sources?) Maybe not, but that is just the balls that come with registration, not the additional cases needed for teams buying more (also if you play a 7th game, you get a new ball, this is part of SSUSA rules). Bottom line, these balls will perform better in Vegas with heat but no humidity and thinner air, maybe not very good in hot FLA weather but I also read in another thread that the composite cover similar to Tattoo is coming as well so my assumption is that will make this ball better. This is just my 2 cents worth. Wishing everyone in Vegas the best of luck, not playing this year but know a lot of people who are, enjoy and stay safe! |
| Sept. 16, 2022 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | Mike ... The actual "math" is that we budget a dozen softballs for each team ... There were 662 teams entered, and we rounded up to 700 ... There was ONE company (Baden) that could reliably deliver that quantity on schedule ... The "bonus" is that the ball is new technology and it comes from an excellent company (Baden) run by people we respect and greatly admire ... That's a WIN-WIN-WIN situation for the players, Baden and SSUSA ... There are always going to be folks with a sincere preference for another ball ... That's why we can choose between 7-Up, Sprite, Sierra Mist and Slice ... But the trick here is finding a supplier of a quality product at the proper economic order quantity allowing all teams to hit the same ball ... Mission accomplished with/by Baden ... |
| Sept. 16, 2022 bandylegs17 Men's 65 13 posts | I just hit the new Senior ball and it feels fine. All of this was done off a T in 80 degree Pacific NW weather. Alternating 18 Baden 44/375 Seniors and 18 Baden 44/400 ISA...All new Im not a great longball hitter but they all jumped and felt the same. I could not tell the difference in feel or distance. The cover is nicer I think than the past Red Fires and the stiching and tucked under seams are cleaner than in the past. The key to this performance "issue"....keep the balls out of the sun and in the shade! Those black PVC ball holders on the backstops are heaters..Better they are in the umps belt ball bag or in the dugout. And of course dont forget the 5 lb compression loss for every 1 degree increase in heat. 44/375 at 70 degrees, at 90...its 275 comp.. Havent experienced them in Vegas game conditions yet.. |
| Sept. 17, 2022 Bruce M Men's 55 122 posts | If SSUSA is not hearing complaints about this ball, they are not listening. Yes, the ball is yellow. Yes, it is spherical. Yes, I have personally witnessed it getting dimples in it here in Vegas after a few hits. Had to be exchanged . Yes, Baden could supply enough. The ball doesn't come close to the SSUSA Stote. It's a universe away from the SSUSA Rocks we hit in years past. Microcell technology performs better than the Baden ball. And for those who say we whine about the quality of the ball performance, why aren't you using an alloy bat?? Why do I see high performance carbon fiber? Balls do matter. Supply matters. Having enough for 662 teams matters. For reasons unknown to me, the huge order from SSUSA of their Stotes remains outstanding....for over eight months. China. Factory? Ships? Zero Covid tolerance at port? Don't know. So, SSUSA chose to go with a company that could supply enough for Worlds. That makes sense. 44/375 in 90 degree heat? No way to verify that on a random sampling of balls here. The rating on the ball does not mean that is what it is. Yes, people are hitting HRs. However, people were hitting HRs with the lowflight balls we used at Worlds during Covid in St. George. That didn't make them fun to hit. Hopefully the order of Stotes will arrive for next season....if not for winter world's....then early in 2023. If not...let's build a factory in the USA!! I'd pay twice as much to hit the Stotes. My opinion. |
| Sept. 17, 2022 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | A couple of quick observations Bruce ... YES, we are hearing multiple complaints, but the good news so far is they're all from YOU [grins]... But more to the point, unless someone critically posting here is just ranting for the fun of it, they have an implied obligation to suggest an option for improvement ... Absent that, the criticism is irrelevant in my view ... Just out of curiosity, what reasonable and achievable different approach would you have taken to get 700 dozen tournament quality softballs on site in a timely manner in this global supply chain debacle? ... We, too, would LOVE to have your beloved Stotes in Las Vegas, but it appears they're still on a ghost freighter ship circling Gilligan's Island ... |
| Sept. 17, 2022 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | 😂😂😂 |
| Sept. 18, 2022 Bruce M Men's 55 122 posts | Dave Dowell, that's a personal attack. You continue to go low. I'll stay high. Please reread my comments above. I think I was pretty clear. I understand you feel my comments are irrelevant. That's ok.I didn't post them for you. |
| Sept. 18, 2022 DaveDowell Men's 70 4316 posts | No Bruce, it's not ... It was a lighthearted joke poking a little fun at the (still true) fact that you are the only one publicly slamming this ball choice ... But the theory of relevancy by any/every poster is greatly enhanced when a suggestion for improvement accompanies criticism, regardless of its origin ... |
| Sept. 18, 2022 TAT22 74 posts | With ALL the issues that SSUSA had with balls this year and it was quite challenging for them obviously. I was pleased with the Baden Ball for World's. Having said that, it is not as good as the Stote, but it was way better than anything that we were supplied with in other tournaments this year by FAR! I will note also that I saw a lot of teams rotating new Baden balls into the game as it seemed they lost performance as the game went on. |
| Sept. 18, 2022 Mikelmart 152 posts | Bandyleg you stated that there is a a loss of 5 compression rating for every 1 degree of rise over 70. Played our senior league in Fresno 2 weeks ago where it was 114 degrees at our 6 o clock game. We hit a 52/300 ball so that means the compression on that ball was 125 according to your statement. At that rating it would be equal to hitting rolled up socks and nothing past the pitcher. Well hard line drives were still being hit so I'd like to see a link for your formula. |
| Sept. 19, 2022 SKings24 60 posts | Overall the ball was MEH. We played a total of 6 games and hit 4 homeruns total, played at Arroyo Grande, Sunset and BLD. Rotated balls as much as we could to keep a fresh one in, at least we didn't have to buy extra balls like years past since we never lost any at BLD, normally buying an extra dozen or two. Over all out of 5 Stars would give it a 2 at the most. I can say the ShortPorch ball is much better and I will be using it in my local events. But when you need mass quantity you take what you can get. |
