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Discussion: Team Reclassifications

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Nov. 27, 2022
11 posts
Team Reclassifications
When will SSUSA get out the new team classifications from the Vegas tournament this year. Teams are wanting to build or rebuild and nobody knows what to do as fiat as classifications go until SSUSA can get their part completed
Nov. 27, 2022
11 posts
If all bumps have been completed please advise that they are completed
Nov. 29, 2022
6 posts

By Terry Hennessy

Re-evaluating Moving Teams Up

At last year’s National Convention, the Rules Committee voted to move teams up based on the number of teams in their division at the World Championships in Last Vegas.

After detailed consultation with the administrative staff that deals throughout the year with Ratings and Rosters, I have come to the conclusion that the Rules Committee needed further discussion of the “Formula Move-Up” rule adopted at last year’s convention.

As adopted, I believe, the “Formula Move-up” could result in a wholesale loss of teams competing in Senior Softball in the 2023 season and in the future.

While black-and-white mass move-ups are easy to apply and understand, they do not take into consideration the actual scores of games, histories of teams, or recommendations by those directors who routinely see the teams play. In the 60AAA division alone, 12 of the 45 teams would have been raised.

In many brackets, it is obvious which teams are dominant – and should be raised – and it is rarely across straight percentages.

Before we instituted a policy with such high risks, I believe we need to re-visit the basis of Ratings and, I hope, give much more jurisdiction to the staff who work on them every day.

After the 2022 World Championships in Las Vegas this year, we reviewed all of the brackets and made the initial determination of move-ups based on which teams in a bracket are not only in the top 10 percent but are clearly stronger than the other teams.

We will delay any other moves until the National Rules Committee has a chance to meet and review the policy.

Terry Hennessy is the chief executive officer of Senior Softball USA and can be reached at terryh@seniorsoftb
Nov. 29, 2022
Men's 70
4248 posts
The SSUSA National Rules Committee will be meeting in Sacramento on Sunday, January 8th thru Tuesday, January 10th.
Nov. 29, 2022
511 posts
My 2 cents
I think that you need to finish in the top 10 (or a top % if a small group) 2 years in a row to have an automatic move up.
I have seen teams never do anything all year and get hot in Vegas and make it to Sunday and get moved up.
This makes it real hard to get a team to gel over a couple of years (especially if you have a team made up of friends who just like to play together)
I know you want teams to play in the higher levels, but we play this game for fun and camaraderie.
A "AAA" team that gets moved up before they are ready usually folds and you lose a team.
And the winners of Vegas don't get to come back the next year and defend their title.
Just my 2 cents
PS.. SPA used to have an automatic move up in Dalton (and teams quit playing because of it) Too many teams didn't want to have to move up if they just happen to have a good tournament. (I saw it happen too many times)
The last year before SPA was sold, they removed the auto move up from the tournament and it doubled in size.
I know SPA and SSUSA are different, it is just the same thinking.
Nov. 29, 2022
Men's 65
481 posts
Coop - good post and nice to see SSUSA rethink the move up formula!
Nov. 29, 2022
Men's 70
1226 posts
SPA also has flexible rosters for certain tournaments. Not a positive the other teams when you have a set roster.

SSUSA have automatic move ups, but also have the body of work evaluations. The few that get "hot" cannot dictate for the whole.

Had to me a couple of times over 22 years, but every time I look at my rings the great out weighs the negatives.

Mike Adair
Nov. 29, 2022
Men's 60
140 posts
softball4b, in your 22 yrs, define for me "body of work".
Nov. 29, 2022
Men's 70
1226 posts
It is my understanding The results of a tournament and the scorecards are sent to
SSUSA. A team enters 6 tourneys 2 1st 3 2nd and whatever. Competition/results/run differential. Body of work.

Every measurement factor can and will have drawbacks, but placing teams in correct competition groupings is a goal not a guarantee.
Nov. 29, 2022
Men's 70
1226 posts
22 years in SSUSA. Softball since 1971. When I started two divisions Rec and competitive. Needless to say over the years been on both the hammer and the nail.
Nov. 30, 2022
Men's 60
215 posts
Coop, i understand where you're coming from when you say that a team after winning the Worlds in Vegas should have a chance to defend their championship but Id have to disagree. I feel if a team wins the biggest tournament of the year, they should absolutely be moved up to the next level.

As far as how many teams should get the bump, ill trust SSUSA to do whats right. There will always be disagreements from teams that get bumped that did not win but had a good tournament and finished 2nd , 3rd , etc.
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