We had a situation where the BR got a base hit. R2 was thrown out at home BR went to the bench for some unknown reason. No one recognized this and the next batter hit a pitch to the second baseman, who looked to throw to 2B but there was no base runner approaching 2B because he had gone to the bench. The second baseman did then throw to 1B and got the out. We know that the BR who went to the bench was out, even though it wasn’t declared as an out at that time. What would happen if the second baseman would have thrown to 2B with no runner going to 2B and because of that the return throw to 1B was not in time? Thank you
There were no outs until R2 was thrown out at home
Batter-runner is OUT based on the 4-3 play as you state ... If your hypothetical had played out, I would have either an infield hit or E4 for him throwing to second erroneously ... It appears you may be suggesting to "merge" the prior base-runner going to the bench and the subsequent ground ball into a double-play ruling ... The baserunner who went to the bench is out when discovered/appealed, but no double-play ... There would be a runner on 1B with two outs is the call ...
Dave, when you say discovered/appealed, can the play be appealed after a pitch or multiple pitches have been thrown? Thank you
"Not really" ... But when someone must have said something like, "Hey, where did he go?", you could consider that a casual appeal! ... That's a continuing violation and he can be called out at any time upon discovery ...
Randall, I’d be curious to know what the batter-runner was thinking when he went into the dugout!!
Maybe it was one of those “senior moments”?
as DD said this is a continuing violation.. but it actually should have been caught by the umpire and the runner should have been called out once they enter the dugout/team area
Thank you so much for this clarification
What's even funnier about this "senior moment" is that nobody on the runners team noticed??? 12 or 13 senior moments...
cw,
That’s true, including the umpire.
The umpire should have called the batter-runner out as soon as he went into the dugout or area of the dugout.
B.J., there is definitely a lot going on here. So let me make it a little more interesting. I am referencing 8.3 C. So when the batter-runner enters the dugout, the ball should be dead; batter-runner should be out, and the other runners return to their bases at the pitch. Yes, the umpire totally missed it. So I believe that this is a correctable error. So while unpopular in many ways to the defense, I believe that to make it correct that would have to restart at that out but would have to make the next batter bat again since the ball was dead. Now Dave knows as an offensive coach (yes, batting team joke) that I would be all over it because that would eliminate the out at home. So please let me know if totally misunderstood the scenario because didn’t see it. I have had it happen but called it correctly. Yes, I did look it up when got home because is very odd. That one was just like this one, just didn’t go to first. The only other one had, he thought that he hit a home run. He did hit it deep. I was sure was not deep enough though. Sure enough it loudly hit a board on the fence. There he sat in the dugout…out.
Nancy.. in the original scenario it would have been easier because the B/R did make it to 1st base and then abandoned his bag.. so no runners would have to return..
in your scenario what a mess with runner not advancing to 1st base...lol... and yes the out would be voided at home and all runners returned..
I had that happen once with bases loaded no outs and 5th run on 3B.. batter worked a walk and never went to 1st thinking the 5th run would score and even if appealed it would only be 1 out.. I returned all the runners and then the next batter hit a ground ball double play.. you can imagine how happy that team was with me..
B.J., thanks. I guess that I took it too literal that didn’t say that touched first. Yes, doing the right thing is not usually the popular alternative. These things do not happen often, thank goodness.
Moral of the story: in situations as described above and others of the like: Always touch a base
