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| Sept. 26, 2007 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | SSUSA staff and advertisers on this site I support free speech and my research indicates this is a very tough decision for the owners of this site, but I also have rights and my time and dollars need to go elsewhere for a while. Sorry Kevin and Jim at Combat and the Tanel folks. I'll check in every once in a while to see if things have changed. Joe Lecak Las Vegas Nevada |
| Sept. 26, 2007 Fred Scerra Men's 80 542 posts | I have done the same thing 3 days ago and I totally agree with you. I was just checking back today and seen your thread and want to add my support to you and others like us that have done the same thing. |
| Sept. 26, 2007 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | I have been in SSB since 99, had some great times; was so excited to join this site some years ago, but you can add another to this list, Tater50 will check on occasions & if this bickering has cleared up, I will start posting again, if not, I will ask for myself to be banned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you guys want to bicker & argue, then get each others emails & do it via that route, but I do not like reading this junk. To the others that submit sound input: I have enjoyed reading your material. If this clears up, I will be back. Who else will join up. Great thread here Lecak. Tater50 John W. Hayes |
| Sept. 26, 2007 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | LECAK: If, I don't pee in ur pool, will u come back? P.S. U need to build a bigger fence. Look @ the far side. DO NOT answer some of these half-wits. Nature, does what nature does!! What part do u ......... Everyone is free, to make mistakes. Some just DO NOT LEARN. The STONEMAN...... |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | While some of this has deteriorated into bickering, much is just discussion. Does everyone have to agree with everyone else on here? |
| Sept. 27, 2007 tattooball 774 posts | To all, I may not agree with some of the things being said here by certain individules but some of the things being said do have some merit. I do disagree with the name calling and threats, we are grown men and women. Everybody has their own thoughts on matters and that is what makes America the greatest country in the world. If I let this board influence my thoughts and decisions we would not be the country of people that we all are. As for differing opinions if we did not have them there would be no choice. (this sounds like communism to me) I vote for who I want not who you want. I buy where I want not where you want me to. I do understand that it is your CHOICE not to come on here and I do respect that that choice as yours and your personal feelings are that of you. It in no way makes me feel any negative way towards any of you, but I am a vet and fought for the freedoms my contry has for all of us. Not just the ones that believe there views are right and others are wrong. Many times in business I am asked what I think about a particular item, my response is what do you care what I think. I would rather know what you think about that item. I ask people all the time what color car the drive, then when they respond I tell them I dislike that color but reassure that doesn't make it a bad car. I believe if everybody read the valid points of a post and offered valid comments as a rebuttle without personal or threating remarks all of this would correct itself. Do I agree with everything TNG,replant and even einstien posts? No but I was not put on this earth to be judge and jury of my brothers and sisters. There will be times when I don't agree with everyone of you and I hope you all don't always agree with me. That what makes us the most powerful people on the planet. We are allowed to be AMERICANS. Freedom of speech, Freedom of choice, Freedom of expression, Freedom of religion, what a concept. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Kevin, you never cease to amaze me. You are an articulate, thoughtful and valuable man to any community irrespective of your relationship to selling bats on this site. I don't see your conflict of interest being anything any of us should be concerned about on a message board even one that can be as important, potentially, to Senior Softball as this one. No good marketeer wants to remove anyone and his followers as potential customers but that doesn't mean you or I can't weigh in on any subject. Take another look at the thread about peeing in the pool. It's all there in that wonderful story. No one has the right to disrespect or block others from trying to communicate positively, sincerely and importantly. If you think so, or the masters of this site think so a lot of us are just wasting our time getting pissed on and off. Thanks Joe for being a stand up guy. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 tattooball 774 posts | Joe, I agree 100% that that no has the right to disrespect any individule on this or any open forum. That being said, not all but some of the posts by questionable members do have some valid points. I think if we as community members can share our thoughts and agree to disagree without personal attacks this whole community will prosper from it. Just like the car analogy, I may not agree with you all of the time but that does not make you less of a person. The fact that we can disagree and remain civil to each other and friends makes you respect that person even more. In a war of words, the readers lose. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | Did the post by the questionable member who literally called out replant and me have any merit? |
| Sept. 27, 2007 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | What I perceive the point of this post to be is this... we are grown men/women and, as such, we should be able to discuss different items of mutual interest without name calling, etc. I also feel that most of the board, make that the overwhelming majority, would just like to move forward without determining 'who said what to whom'. To say that this is unproductive is a gross understatement. I really do not care 'who started it' as I prefer to focus on the many issues that have been brought out. I'd like to think that I'm not alone on this. Bob Woodroof |
| Sept. 27, 2007 tattooball 774 posts | As I said I am not the judge or jury of anyone but myself. I can assure you I would be more than happy to participate in any constructive post you post. I like the post that you don't think seniors should use senior bats. That is a great topic for discussion, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. These are the type of threads we should be discussing. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Bob W - I agree. If we could just stick to the valid points/topics/new ideas and discussions the board as a community would be much the better for it. There are some that think that a "nuisance" post is a valid contribution when all it does is serve the purpose of the one hijacking the thread(s) for their own satisfaction. Dialog does not constitute contribution and the person asking the questions controls any conversation - and THIS seems to be the object of some posters desire'. To control rather than contribute. Somehow they feel validated instead of embarrasment they should be feeling. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | trump, thanks. I wish everyone on here was so open-minded to discussion, if nothing else. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | Pete, I love you guys who talk about others without naming names and think you are being real coy and slick. BTW, point out a 'nuisance post' please. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 tattooball 774 posts | As I said I am not the judge or jury of anyone but myself. I can assure you I would be more than happy to participate in any constructive post you post. I like the post that you don't think seniors should use senior bats. That is a great topic for discussion, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. These are the type of threads we should be discussing. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Gary, to put it a different way, most of us do not wish to go backward (having to prove something to you or anyone else). We would rather move forward. This is one of the primary focal points of this thread. It isn't our intent to hire F. Lee Bailey to follow the 'chain of evidence'. We really do want to discuss the merits of the senior softball issues. Period. I know of no valid reason why we can't do this? BW |
| Sept. 27, 2007 DesertGuy Men's 60 224 posts | Kudos to all of the forward thinking posters here. I've been around a long time, have seen a lot of things in my lifetime, and been fortunate to experience the good that future thinking people have in all areas of my life. But I have not yet seen any example of the past being altered. The future is bright, the past is frozen in time, valuable only to the extent of educating us on what we all might have done better at the time had we known. Keep up the good positive thoughts and don't let Grouch Marx prove to be right when he said: "I won't belong to any organization that would have me as a member." :) |
| Sept. 27, 2007 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Gary - there's not much doubt who the kid peeing in the pool is or who the nuisance is on this board. He was banned for a while but came slithering back in - so that would have to be YOU. Let's see ummmm - you have: 7 posts so far today 18 posts for yesterday and - wow - the 25th was a banner day for you with 32 (thirty two) posts. You just didn't pee in the pool that day you clogged the filter......... That Sir is a nuissance. To call anything else you do here meaningful, insightful, a contribution, would be an insult to the other members of this board. But, you're smart - you already know that. Contributing is not what you are about. Must be time for post number 8 now. Yawn. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | wood, I don't either. Just stop having guys take cheap shots and then say "that is in the past, and we want to go forward". |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | Wow DG, was that lame. Have guys cheap shot, name-call, and physically threaten and then say "let's move forward" when someone calls you on it. A few of you guys are real weasels. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | Pete, that is NO proof of "nuisance" whatsoever. Many of those were "running conversations" with guys who were responding to me. Or is dialogue not allowed on here either, only the incessant ranting of an old guy with uncombed, white hair? |
| Sept. 27, 2007 DesertGuy Men's 60 224 posts | TNG- Just for the record, I've been lame for years! Can't remember the last time I was a CR for anyone! Regardless, it's my sense here that a lot of people are pulling for you to rehabilitate your presence here this time. I really do appreciate the stands that you take in conflict with the prevailing mentality here that the game is only relevant to the Class A/B type players, or what they call the Major Plus and Major in senior ball. Me simply saying that may cause a further ruckus, but so it is. I agree with you totally on the lack of necessity for the 'senior bats' so that players can hit it 375' instead of only 330', a complete irrelevance with most fields being 300' or less. I do agree with you on the pitcher being capable of fielding his position or finding another place to play defensively. I do agree with you that tournament attendance (lack thereof) is down and that it's difficult to justify the cost and time to play in a small bracket. Although I took a look at the ssusa list for Phoenix and I roughly counted somewhere around 300 teams, which is pretty unusual of late. All of those are issues where some here won't agree with you, which is exactly where it should be. Because it encourages thoughtful debate. All that being said, here are a couple of things I disagree with you about. I disagree that every single statement or word in someone's post has to be disected by you for clarification, denial, support, argument, etc. Think globally and don't sweat the small stuff. You and I went back and forth (and others got involved) way too long yesterday on whether or not there is a base running theory or rule deficiency over the scoring line or plate issue. Not a darn thing any of us wrote served to change anyone else's position, when the whole thing could have been ended by accepting that it's a safety issue, end of debate. All we did was bore the membership on a topic that wasn't even in that thread. Which brings me to a related disagreement. I disagree with hijacking threads of others. audieh had a legitimate post, and you and a bunch of the rest of us killed his topic thread. I should have up and moved to a new thread of my own on this, but I didn't. You didn't either. If we start our own thread, no matter how ridiculous it may be, at least the membership has the option to jump in there or completely pass it over. It's common courtesy. And last, I disagree with your apparent belief that anyone who disagrees with you is insulting you. Too many have, and that's sad. But don't take the bait every time. This place can be at times a lot like a junior high school. There are timid people. There are bullies. There are raging egos. There are class clowns. A little bit of everything. Again, don't sweat the small stuff, and look ahead. (Back to my first post that there is damn little we can do about the past rather than not repeat its mistakes.) TNG, I hope you make it here this time around and they don't deprive you of a forum. I really do because, streange as it seems, I agree with you more than I don't on the issues alone. Thanks for that. But help yourself by backing off a bit when I know you think you have to have the last word. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | It is not the disagreeing that I consider insulting. I sort of expect it with many of the closed-minded people around here who just want to sit and watch the Senior game die, particularly at the tournament level. It is the names, and other petty references, thrown around by the white-haired guy and his minions. Not to mention him literally calling out me and replant. He needs help, and his peeps don't see it. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 DMac Men's 60 207 posts | In the past I have received some great information on this board, but it is starting to get predictable and boring. There is a huge difference between discussion and debate and this site has definitely moved to the latter. Several members in general, and one member in particular, have basically rendered this board useless. Gary, by your own admission you don't play tournament ball, yet you insist on telling us how tournaments should be played. You are trying to do with your computer what none of us have seen you do on a ball field, and that is control the game. Einstein might be delusional at times, but I have seen him play and he "got game". I almost look forward to his annual platooning campaign, even though I believe it would ruin softball. You are obviously intelligent and your opinions merit consideration, but stop trying to beating us into submission. (I consider 173 posts in 14 days to be browbeating us). Make you point and then move on. Are you that paranoid that you consider any opposing opinion to be a personal attack on you? Dude, you are just too tense. Have you considered getting laid? I'm done. See the rest of you on a field somewhere. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 DesertGuy Men's 60 224 posts | TNG- You're right. And I appreciate you doing your part to move the game forward in a constructive manner. Wouldn't it be an ironic turn of fate if your example with the most recent new (thank you) thread you started serving as an example rather than a lightning rod? Good job and I hope your new thread takes off. |
| Sept. 27, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | Well, I am not sure if it is an example but it sure doesn't appear to be a lightening rod. Barely anyone has posted on it. Apparently most people here really aren't interested in constructive exchange of ideas. :( |
| Sept. 28, 2007 Norq44 59 posts | Desert Guy, I read your post, then I re-read it again and again. You have eloquently said what many others have thought and said (or tried to say) . Sometime back in June, after Gary 19 insulted me I too "called him out". At that point I decided that I would no longer respond to anything that he had to say. He brought this upon himself. He can't and won't ever stop with the name calling. Witness half of the posts on this thread alone! So, I am with you too, Lecak, Fred Scerra, Tater50. Don Norquist |
| Sept. 28, 2007 TheNextGeneration Men's 50 307 posts | "He can't and won't ever stop with the name calling. Witness half of the posts on this thread alone!" Now, mind pointing out what names were called in half the posts? Or is it easier to just keep making things up? |
| Sept. 28, 2007 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | I am willing; are others; as of 9/28/07 9:48 ESDT, I will move forward & "DISCUSS" for the betterment of Senior Softball, cause I may have a flat on the side of the road & you may be just the guy to stop & help me; therefore I want to be on good terms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tater50 John |
| Sept. 28, 2007 DesertGuy Men's 60 224 posts | Tater50- I'm 'all in' with you, and I'm still pretty good at changing a tire, too. |
| Sept. 28, 2007 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | but why do you all complain about pitcher safety and still want to hit the super bats for seniors,till then you are all hypocrites.oh also want to hit hrs now when you couldn't do it as kids,super bats again. |
| Sept. 28, 2007 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | mad dog...............is that a quote from Gary 19, or your thoughts? |
