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Discussion: Senior Softball credibility at Fresno

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Aug. 25, 2004
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Senior Softball credibility at Fresno
The 65 divison at Fresno was advertised on the web site and at the park as 8 teams playing round robin with upper 4 teams in Gold div. and lower 4 teams in Silver Div, playing double elimination.
The upper 4 teams were Fairway Ford and Seals, both 4 and 0 and Brea Merchants and So Cal Panthers 2 and 2. The lower 4 teams were all 1 and 3.
Just before the start of the Gold and Silver brackets, Senior Softball officals changed the format after complaints by Brea Merchants and So. Cal Panthers who didn't want to play Fairway or the Seals. As a result of the change the Gold bracket was just Fairway and the Seals and 6 teams in the Silver bracket. Brea Merchants ended up playing So. Cal Panthers for the Silver bracket championship
The lower 4 teams got screwed.
Forget Las Vegas Championship?
Aug. 26, 2004
Men's 65
1912 posts
Hi Davy ... I'm not sure who's to blame in the 65+ Div. in Fresno ... It's pretty easy to hastily blame the SSUSA officials that made a well intentioned decision that all of the teams playing there get to participate in the Double Elim. portion of the Tourney ... But it seems just as easy to blame the two teams you mentioned that made the 'complaints' ... Maybe they were actually 'refusals' to play those two upper teams instead? ... I've looked at the scores, and yes, the two teams you mention lost ONLY to Fairway II and the Seals (not having played each other in the R.R. portion) ... I'd be more inclined to think the officials made a good decision under pressure from an unexpected source, made that decision in the best interests of all of the teams, and allowed all teams to participate in the Brackets ... It's unfortunate that foresight isn't 20-20 like hindsight is most of the time ... Respectfully ... DAVE
Sept. 10, 2004
Wally World
2 posts
Davy, if you are going to post something like this then get ALL your facts straight first. When the teams went up to the Fresno tournament they were first told that they would be playing within their classified divisions (that would be a first).

Then the bracketing came out and several of the teams complained about the Major + teams being combined with a group of AAA and AA teams. It is not bad to jump up one classification level but to jump up two levels just does not set too well with most people. This was then discussed on the phone prior to our going up with the tournament directors and they said it would be discussed more at the managers meeting prior to the tournament and something would be worked out. At this meeting it was kind of left up in the air as they said 'we will just have to wait and see how things pan out'... well the "panning" out created quite a controversy and a questioning of playing to your full strength and ability (known in some venues as 'sand bagging').

After all the dust had cleared the director said yes, two of the AAA teams would have to go up and play against teams that were two classification levels above them.

At that point these two teams said 'why???, just let us play each other for third place and be done with it as there is no way we can beat a major+ team'.... it would kind of speed things up and we could get on the road back home.

Well the director made a call to Sacramento and the call came back that the final tournament should be within classifications and hence the splitting of the major+ teams off into a two team tournament of their own.

It is unfortunate that there are not more major + teams out there that will travel to these tournaments so the major, AAA, and AA teams can play within their classifications. This is what classifying is all about it right? Hopefully in Las Vegas all teams will only play in their classification levels...
Sept. 13, 2004
1 posts
By his reply, I'm guessing that Wally World plays on one of the cry baby teams. There was no wait and see on either the website or the flyer. We all knew the possibilities before we went there. I have heard this is not the first time these have whined. To make matters worse, these two teams were given byes in the first round. Get your FACTS straight!!!
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