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| April 14, 2008 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | Has Anyone Tracked Where The Offensive Team Hits The ball Has anyone tracked consistently where the other team hits the ball or where your team hits. if so could you share that information for discussions purposes and the class of ball. What I am asking is in a typical game how many shots go to the pitcher, to first, to second,etc. In our play we see the most outfield shots to left and the most infield shots to third and short. However, that is based on my recall and I would like some concrete evidence before the season really gets rolling. You input is appreciated. |
| April 15, 2008 Fred Scerra Men's 80 542 posts | When I pitch most balls hit are to 3rd, SS and LCF. On offense it is mostly LCF to RCF and SS. |
| April 15, 2008 Pork Men's 50 13 posts | Audieh, Mike P Pitcher from Doubleplay, I have seen a big differnece from AAA to Major, I see more HRs to LF and LC then I did in AAA, example we played this weekend and we were the only Major team the rest were AAA, I saw balls hit up the middle and to the right. The month prior to that we played the WW Worlds Majors and with out Ultras there were an amazon amount of HRs. My 2 cents See you in Maui, my 3rd year, what a Blast Mike Porcelli Doubleplay |
| April 15, 2008 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | Hum! I plan on tracking where every ball is hit against us and ever ball we hit in the Spring Nationals coming up in about 10 days in Lakeland, Florida. Hopefully, it will be revealing. Pork, look forward to seeing ya in maui in May. You guys need to take it easy on us! |
| April 15, 2008 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Hi Audie, Several years ago I would stay at the fields and chart where the opposition hit. When I coached girls softball 12 years I also did this. Lately I haven't done this because I would rather hang out with the guys at the motel. It really pays off when you find a rightie hitting to right field or a leftie hitting to left. You will also find the players with power and some without. Props to you for wanting to put in the extra time at the field! Good luck to you and the guys this year. Bruce |
| April 16, 2008 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | I have been keeping where offensive players hit on my scorebooks for over twenty years, but I never did it for empirical studies. I took the ASA's scorekeeping class way back when (if they even still do it), and this is how they taught me to keep score, and it also helps your team's defense to know where the batters usually hit ahead of time and keeps a little chatter going to keep players' heads in the game. Of course one of the goals is also to make the offensive batter change his swing to go a different way than what they are strongest at when they know the defensive team knows where they always hit. I would be glad to share anything that I have learned over the years. |
| April 16, 2008 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | Nancy, bless you. i knew that some resouceful lady would have that type information. Would it be possible for you to go over your books for a five game period and tell us how many balls went to each position. Then we can figure what percent was hit to each position. So a grounder hit between 3rd and short, even though picked up by the outfielder would be scored as a ball to third or short, whoever was the closest. A homerun in center field would be assigned to left center or right, whoever was closer. We would also need to know what division of 55 ball you are scoring as i suspect the higher divisions hit more for power and thus to left and the lower division are shooting for base hits and may hit the middle and right at a higher percent. If you have any questions or if i can be of any service please contact at Audieh@comcast.net |
| April 17, 2008 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | Audie, I will be glad to pull that off of a scorebook for you. I have games to officiate for the next three days, but I can probably get something together by Monday. I always show where the ball was hit, but I also record who picked it up and threw it in to give me some idea of their power on the ball. Especially for the shortstop and pitcher, I like to keep whether the ball was hand or glove side of them. My scorebooks are all AA, but maybe I can try to score a couple of upper games for you at the Brickyard. You can reach me at 317-510-6310 during weekdays if you have any other thoughts that come up on this. |
| April 17, 2008 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | Nancy, that is incredible information that you have and takes a tremendous amount of work to not only keep but compile. I can tell you though you have a great basis for some interesting research and discusions points! |
| April 18, 2008 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | Nancy, I hope you share your information on the message board. I would hate to see the Hollis boys get an advantage. Good topic Audie. Bob Schulz |
| April 22, 2008 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | Audie, I did get a chance to go through two games; so let me give you a start. On the first game: Visitors Home P - 2 P - 4 C - 0 C - 1 1B - 0 1B - 0 2B - 4 2B - 4 3B - 8 3B - 6 SS - 10 SS - 9 LF - 3 LF - 6 LC - 4 LC - 8 RF - 2 RF - 2 RC - 7 RC - 3 BB - 0 BB - 0 KF - 1 KF - 2 Second game: Visitors Home P - 2 P - 2 C - 0 C - 0 1B - 3 1B - 0 2B - 4 2B - 5 3B - 0 3B - 4 SS - 5 SS - 9 LF - 7 LF - 3 LC - 7 LC - 4 RF - 3 RF - 1 RC - 3 RC - 3 BB - 2 BB - 4 KF - 3 KF - 1 Hopefully this does not wrap when I post. Let me know what you think. |
| April 22, 2008 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | I guess that it did chop my "white space" between visitors and home, but it is not too bad of an eye test. |
| April 22, 2008 Sisavic 190 posts | Nancy Allen, Thanks, good info. What skill level were the teams (AAA, Major, etc.)? Were there many home runs? There seemed to be a huge difference at 3rd base for the first and second game. Any insight as to why? |
| April 23, 2008 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | These were both 55 AA games. There was only one homerun hit, and it was the second game (LF). The difference in the hitting at third was that those were two different teams. A total of three teams are represented in this group. I sure wish that the columns had come out the way I typed them, but such is technology. |
| April 23, 2008 audieh Men's 60 249 posts | Nancy, fantastic information. Breaking it down as percentages would indicate that the pitcher gets only 6.2% of the action which is less than I would have thought! The catcher gets little activity at .6%. First got only 1.9% which appears low to me. Second got 10.6% which is suprising high considering first got so little. This could be a function of the number of lefties but also the level of ball as I assume the AA teams will be trying more for base hit and you may get more opposite field hitting than with major and major plus teams trying to hit power. Third got 11.2% which seems right but is comparable to second which seemed high. The shortstop got 21% of the action which means that one of every five balls goes there. The left fielder got 11.8% which is similar to third and second and just a litle less than left center which got 14.3% of the action. Right field got 5% which is suprisingly high since first got only 1.9%. Right center got 9.9% which seems high and is almost as much as left field and twice as high as right field. A lot of interesting points to consider. Approximately 41% of the balls went to the outfield. Appromximately 57.8% of the balls went to the left of the pitcher. Third and left field had about the same percentage. The shortstop had the most balls hit to him at 21% with the left center fielder having the most in the outfield at 14.3% I think these stats verify what most of us thought. The interesting thing would now be to compare these with a couple of major plus games and see if it changes our thnking of playing a five man infield or where to put an extra defensive player when you have an equalizer! Nancy, thank you for all of your efforts. Very good information! |
| April 25, 2008 Bob50 Men's 60 242 posts | Nancy, thanks for the data. Audie, thanks for breaking it down. Your turn to collect data Audie so we can compare the stats to Major+. |
| April 26, 2008 Gary Heifner 248 posts | My team does scout new oponents and chart where they hit most. We often run into the same teams here in the mid-west. The humour of it now is that as each batter comes up everybody shifts slightly to different pre-pitch defensive positions without saying a word to each other because we know the oponents so well.. |
| April 26, 2008 Jawood Men's 50 943 posts | It would be great to have all of this info at your disposal, but it takes a lot of time. My advice to you is have a tall, cool Budweiser between games instead. |
