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Discussion: Disparaging remarks and remarkers (historical footnote)

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Aug. 12, 2008
2514 posts
Disparaging remarks and remarkers (historical footnote)
The message thread by a similar title has been removed from the Message Board as being detrimental to the best interests of the Sr. Softball community.
Aug. 12, 2008
46 posts
SSUSA Staff, Thank you. This board should be for positive encouragement for everyone. I read it everyday. Many people comment about the messages but only a few write or post. We are very lucky to still be playing softball as seniors. To have an organization as strong as SSUSA is a lot of hard work by just a few people. Just a thought, if they were gone tomorrow would the complainers pick up the slack? Would anyone be there to save a life? They do plenty, try to be positive. Thanks guys, there are a lot more out there that are glad you do what you feel is fair to the majority. Terry The Ohio Silverados
Aug. 13, 2008
118 posts
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

Live Simply, Love generously, Care deeply, Speak kindly...
Leave the rest to God. (Also, write with care & kindly.)

Noah, was a drunk. Abraham, was to old. Isaac, was a daydreamer. Jacob, was a liar. Leah, was ugly. WAS LEAH, ALSO, UGLY on the inside. Joseph, was abused.
Moses, was a stutter. Gideon, was afraid. Samson was a womanzier. And many more.

A GRUDGE, is a heavy thing to carry. Please, remember that SS-USA, has gone out of "their" way to provide Senior the Massege Board. Should Seniors, give T / F / D, more head aches?

At our age, the ones we are playing against, writting to, etc, are the folks that we will be dying with.
Aug. 13, 2008
Men's 50
3114 posts
First, I'm getting tired of my posts being taken off this web site
that are not disparaging in any way to anyone.
Second, so much for your laissez-faire attitude about free speech,
Terry and Dave and hooray for your involvement albeit
heavy handed.
Third, "let he among you without sin be the first to cast a stone".
I'm not hunting anybody down or trying to incite anyone to respond
and don't deserve or expect it and won't take it from anyone.
Fourth, I heard but didn't see, Kevin, that you also regret how contentious
our argument became. I'm sorrier than you know because you are good man
and credit to all of us in Senior Softball. I was wrong for ever making our discussion
antagonistic or disrespectful.
You're a real man and I apologize for offending you in any way
and I should have been man enough to talk with you over the phone
if I had any real beefs with you.
Aug. 14, 2008
Men's 65
3146 posts
Joe and Kevin, I believe both of you have the best interests of softball in your hearts. There are only small differences as to how you think we need to achieve the final result.
We all need to start having more constructive dialog.
Kevin, I'll call you about the bat.
Aug. 14, 2008
Men's 50
3114 posts
I don't see better way to settle fundamental issues
that are heartfelt and controversial than to get involved,
find out how you feel, who or what's wrong or right
and be willing to make and take a stand.
Sounds very 60's.
It is and so am I.

Like in the larger society we can go along
with whatever's being done, good, bad or indifferent
or we can have, voice and demonstrate the depth of our opinions and views.

I like to know how I feel about important stuff
and when "real" stuff goes down
people need not be reluctant to get involved.
Often folks think that these things are being dealt with
by the powers that be while the powers at be
are looking and waiting to see how folks react.
Then a no man's land is created
marked by unaccountability and abdication of real responsibility
for things that we CAN influence and change for the better
when need be.

I think Dave and Terry and Fran need us to weigh in
on important issues like folks who constantly look to start trouble
or denigrate the honest and best efforts of others.

SSUSA started thinking that the message board must be self-regulating
for example, but has since learned that it has a well defined responsibility
toward itself and others regarding disparaging behavior.
This is positive.
This is growth.
This is making/taking a stand regardless of the reaction/feedback
that may ensue.

Hooray I say.
Way to go, Dave et al.

I would like to hear what people have to say
about what their feelings, thoughts and remedies
regarding any individuals who would openly disparage,
antagonize, disrespect or denigrate others
without provocation, without context and without consideration.

It's a time to stand up and be counted and contribute towards
solving an important problem that exists in our community
or not.

C'mon guys and girls.
Have an opinion.
Where do you stand?
We not only count but we and our opinions, statements and demonstrations
are integral to a healthy and happening social organization.
We can make SSUSA, senior softball and the world a better place
all at the same time and all you have to do is get involved
and state what it is you truly think and believe is and/or should be
going down.

I say no one has a right to "go after", denigrate, belittle,
antagonize anyone who's not doing it to them or someone else.
Offenders must stop or be removed to avoid fights and negative attitudes
and behaviors from taking over.
Simple, really.

What do you say?
Aug. 15, 2008
732 posts
Wow an epiphany, I never witnessed one.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
1375 posts
It took him like 8 inches to spit it all out.

Do you think he realizes how much of what he says applies to him?
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 65
181 posts
The best thing about Senior Softball are the relationships we build with our teammates and competitors all around the world. I so look forward to national events to visit with our friends who become our antagonists on the field. Sometimes arguments become most heated with our close family than with strangers. This board is so important to all of us as a way to stay intouch with our dear friends.
We have had many very positive things come down because of this board. Lets all try to make it a springboard to improve our game and leave the fiestiness to other places.. I'll try my best as I have been one of those problems.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
1375 posts
The only improvement needed to "our game" is to get it back to where it should have been all along.

NO special senior bats.

Only one home plate. If you can slide into second and third, what makes home any different?

Pitch from the rubber. Without the special bats, the pitcher is not in any more jeopardy than those at any other age group.

No mat. If umps can call balls and strikes for guys under 50, what makes guys 50 and older any different?

Shoot this down if you like because of the messenger, but for those who want to think please tell me where I am wrong.
Aug. 15, 2008
the wood
Men's 65
1123 posts
Gary, you are using the wrong thread to voice your opinions on how the senior game ought to be played, all of which you have already stated.
Start your own threads about those matters... this thread is intended for a different matter altogether.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 65
317 posts
Dirty, you are probably right, but if they did go back to the real rules like you say, I would be safe to say, over half of the players (probably more) playing senior ball, would just retire/quit or never sign up from the game of softball, especially if they could not use the bats or extra plate or other safety rules, but mostly because of the bats and most people are too old to slide anymore, or they do not feel safe in sliding anymore,not all, but quite a few will not.

But this is just my opinion,and I am wrong a lot.

Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
1375 posts
rabbit, thanks for the reponse. I hear what you are saying about the bats, and while I find that VERY sad I am sure you are correct. As far a sliding, why can they slide into second or third but just not home? That is what puzzles me the most about that rule.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
1375 posts
Bob, I am the topic of this thread, whether explicitly stated that way or not. Consequently, I claimed the right to segue. :)
Aug. 15, 2008
the wood
Men's 65
1123 posts
Gary, don't flatter yourself... this thread was initiated after several disparaging comments had been made... only a few of them were posted by you... there have been many fish in that sea.
But if you really want to segue, start your own posts and you'll have the right to take it the direction you want... as long as you conform to the board guidelines.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
1375 posts
I don't need to flatter myself, I already have plenty of people who do that.

Consider who started the thread. He has a problem with me because, unlike his many minions on here, I don't have any problems with calling a spade a spade. Or an "einstein" a Gump.
Aug. 15, 2008
the wood
Men's 65
1123 posts
It is my understanding that 'SSUSA Staff' initiated this thread... on my computer it shows you that you posted the 8th post... perhaps it reads differently in Ohio.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
3114 posts
You never witnessed one, Kevin, and you still haven't because
I'm saying, doing and showing up for what's been important to me all my life
including this website.
I don't want to rehash anything, and if there's anything you want to say
to me personally or about my concerns you can email me

Gary, your starting AGAIN.
Dave, take note who's starting the interraction
but I will it finish it with you whenever and where ever I get the chance.
Email me if you have the stones and
I will give you my phone number
so we can take it off line.
I will be in Cincinnati if a couple of weeks for the Black Worlds
and we could meet and settle things there if you're man enough.
You demonstrate and bring out the worst in us, Gary.
And you've earned what's coming your way.

Kevin, I expect things are settled with you and me.
If not, like I said, let me know and we can talk
off line.
Don't come at me on the website and expect a pass.
That goes for anyone else.

Sorry I'm so adamant and well-defined but I don't think it's healthy and won't take
being abused/assaulted or denigrated by anyone, any time and any place.
Call me old fashioned.

I'll be at Vegas for LVSSA and Phoenix for SSUSA
and will make time for anyone who wants to make it personal.
Aug. 15, 2008
Men's 50
3114 posts
Sorry, I left out the i in Rinaldi
It should read
Aug. 16, 2008
360 posts
Dirty Gary; the difference between Home vs 2nd & 3rd is that most of the plays at Home are Tag plays vs Force plays at the bases.
We've had several bech-clearing brawls in the past involving home plate collisions in the non-senior leagues, but never had anything like this occur in a play at 2nd or 3rd.
Aug. 18, 2008
32 posts
Quote:"Sorry I'm so adamant and well-defined but I don't think it's healthy and won't take
being abused/assaulted or denigrated by anyone, any time and any place.
Call me old fashioned."

Yeow...I call it "Old Scool", Are U sure UR from San Francisco...U go boy !! LOL
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