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| Aug. 20, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Trump...... Funny how when a response is sent to him it "magically" disappears. |
| Aug. 20, 2008 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Perhaps is about the what and how something was wrote that causes site "fairy" to come out and sprinkle disappearing typing dust over it, and "poof" it's gone. |
| Aug. 20, 2008 tattooball 774 posts | Yes it is OK for him to say what he wants but not for anyone else. I think he is calling Terry and I idiots in this post. They can delete this, the rest of the post's are still on the site. Here's a few classic's from Joe in the past. It is funny how he claims he does not condon bad mouthing anyone. First, I don't see any necessary connection between senior ball and ASA or any association for that matter. Maybe I'm spoiled being in California where we have the best senior softball players in the country but thanks to independent thinking guys like Gary Tryrhorn, we in NorCal make our own rules and if tournament directors don't like 'em, we don't play. We use the balls and bats, get this Kevin and Terry that WE decide we want to play with. How you like them apples! And if the rest of senior softball wants to sit down and take break while all the important decisions that relate to us and the game we love than you get what you deserve. Great quote coming, "When you don't know (care) where you're going, you always wind up, somewhere else." I'm done with being spoken for and pushed around by powerful, often ignorant self seeking individuals whom always seem to know what's going on and what's best for me. As I told Dave D in Sacramento last year when he asked me that SPA puts on the most enjoyable senior tournaments I and others have experienced yet and they let us play to the end when double elimination starts and because of the mercy rule the games tend to stay fairly close to schedule |
| Aug. 20, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | He must have pictures of someone to get away with what he says on here, but everyone else gets deleted after responding to him. |
| Aug. 20, 2008 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | Dirty I got no axe to grind here. What I don't understand is you certainly have made your points on the state of the senior game, most would not disagree with the majority of your stated positions. I chose to be in the middle of the action and became of the Senior softball advisory board where I get my 15 minutes. I maybe wrong but your non attendance and non participation makes it difficult for those who do participate to listen. Whatever else senior ball is or isn't it is healthy, promotes socialization and friendship and stokes the ego nothing wrong with that. Get involved with your northeast or mid west region or whatever Cleaveland is considered and work with SSUS, SPA or whatever Alpahabet you prefer to bring tournies into your region and contribute to the change you desire. Change is good those who don't are destined to the dust heap. Good luck |
| Aug. 20, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | I understand and appreciate your points. I do play senior ball in three leagues locally where I can play the entire summer, probably 75 games, for a fraction of what it would cost me to attend one tournament with 5 teams in my bracket if I am lucky. I don't spend good money at a bad restaurant first, and then work from the inside to try and get the food and service improved. Once the product is quality, I have no problem giving my time and money. You seem like a good guy, I hope you understand. |
| Aug. 20, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Lecak: It's more like a dog that chases cars... though it frequently barks at them, he has no intent in driving them. This tends to puzzle others... but after a while the crowd does see it for what it is. Gary, as to why your recent message was deleted... my gut feeling is that you included a particular word that didn't survive the editor's delete button... it doesn't seem all that complex from this end. I did like your 'let the doves loose' line though... I thought that it was creative without being inflamatory. BW |
| Aug. 20, 2008 DesertGuy Men's 60 224 posts | wood- I don't think Gary did anything that had to do with that topic being removed. Gary's last post was one word: Wow. There was a longer post just above it by trumpball that was pretty strong and went after einstein directly. I went back a couple minutes later to re-read it and everything was gone. Wish I had printed it whan I first saw it, because it was classic bulletin board material! Reminded me of a couple of junior high school kids setting up an after school bare knuckles affair behind the bleachers. Hysterical! |
| Aug. 20, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | DG: Perhaps we're talking about different things... I was referring to the post that Gary made yesterday (8/19) pm... in it, he used a word that has but one meaning... shortly thereafter that specific post was deleted... that seems like a fairly straightforward 'cause and effect' to me. But you and the others are apparently thinking about the thread as a whole. I am not in a position to say which post signaled the end of that thread or that if it was any single post, for that matter. I know that a lot of people are disenchanted with the direction that this board has taken of late... i.e. the past month or so. I, for one, like to read about other player's feelings on particular matters and really don't like the 'gutter sniping'. If I owned this board, I would restrict its use to folks that abide by the rules. To say that it has been childish is to be less than fair to children. BW |
| Aug. 20, 2008 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Woody for mayor or more aptly, union rep, Dave and I talk a lot about the responsibility of SSUSA to police the board and take off anyone and anything that's not in the best interests of us as people, SSUSA memebers and senior softball players. Woody, I agree with you completely and I wish more guys would voice their honest opinions relating to the matter of the importance of censorship on the site. I never got to read or see the thread I started before it got chopped earlier today. I trust Dave's interpretation of what's appropriate and what's not. We talk a lot about it and he is both a fine man and terrific administrator I'm learning more and more. What I'm about to say is meant not to anyone but to and for everyone. Over the last couple of years I've been hearing much talk about what's wrong with our sport from bad ball/bat combinations, field conditions, rankings, umpires, expenses, tournament fees, rules, attitudes, TD's who listen and TD's who don't, ball manufacturers, bat manufacturers, angry negative whiney players, cheaters, all sorts of pitching dynamics, sportsmanship et al. I believe a lot of what I hear and I think what can be done or who's fault or blocking the remedies needed to solve the problems. Sometimes there's people or standards or rules that need to be examined, challenged or at least questioned to get at the underlying or overall truth to see what in fact can be done to improve or make things better. I call 'em like I see 'em. Sometimes it makes for insights and sometime it makes for arguments. I'm not better than anyone and no one is better than me. I believe we, in the senior softball community should dare to learn and define ourselves, our needs and wants and announce them and stand up for them to any and all who run, administrate, advise and sell to us. Is that a personal, specific accusation of anyone in particular Hell no. It's underneath everything I believe and think and say. It puts responsibility on ALL of us do whatever we can to help to make things better for all of us and sometimes it means daring to say what it is WE seniors want and expect being the ones who play, bleed and die on the fields of play. I'm only contradicting myself to someone who can't or won't see the whole of what's going--someone who lacks perspective or whose interests and agendas block them from wanting to see what in fact, is going on. And I'm not afraid to talk or argue or challenge anyone, or be challenged anytime if I think I'm right about what's importantly going on or down anywhere inside or outside of senior softball. But it should be done respectfully as possible and a forum like this website is ideal for spirited, important discussions if we can avoid making them, too personal. I helped contribute to making my argument with Kevin more personal then it should have been for which I have apologized to him both on and off the site. Lastly for now, whatever happens to and for me as a result of my convictions, involvement and movements is only my Karma and what is my due. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | DG, that thread was exactly the one I was referring to. Wood, I understand why that post was deleted, though the point I made using a word in the dictionary was very valid. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | dirty; Just because a word is in the dictionary, does not in itself make it proper for posting on this board or any other for that matter. You were banned once from here. Evidentially SSUSA had a change of heard, but why? And why not is any other person who had been banned for this or that, not being allowed back? Is that fair to them? I'd think your either banned or not unless a time frame was imposed which there was no mention of. Banned in not just the ID it's that person and any he ID he later or also uses. The Craigs List had a very interesting suit reguarding this type of thing. I went to copy a part of the brief on it to post but is now no loger readily available. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | We still do live in the U.S., don't we? Banning? Deleting posts? Is this now the SSChina? What did I do diffeently than "einstein", he insults people and the posts get deleted but he does not. Who does he have pictures of? |
| Aug. 21, 2008 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | All boards are not equal, so what. live with it. As for picturs, the might be of you playing league ball, but who cares. Lets move on. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | "Lets move on." Agreed, until his next footlong post. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | I will start by saying that I'm a new be--I have only been playing SS for 4 years so I still feel like I'm looking in from the outside. We all complain about goverment regulation but having worked in state, local and federal goverment I can tell you that a good number of those requlation were put into place because someone did not want to fallow the law or were trying to cheat the system. I'm what you might call a reader-if have read the complete rule books for all of the SS groups. There are many rules that look down right dumb until I remeber what I stated above. I do not think we are going to change anything until we get organized, no I'm not for unions. Just think about what going on and say to yourself, I'm a TD or Terry or Ridge and read all of the above---what hope do they have of knowing what's most important to us or what we think the fix is. We have everyone screaming at each other or Terry or Ridge, know one wants to stop and listen to the other person. Part of the problems, I think, is I do not hear anything from Terry or Ridge about why some of our ideas do not or will not work. Will someone take charge, a player not Terry or Ridge. Let's take one week on this board, and see if we can all agree on ONE main problem and them we will take the next week or two or three and agree on the solution. We can than send that solution to the Board,Terry or Ridge and ask them why they should not accept out solution. Wes |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Nothing like bringing a little logic into the discussion. Good job! Mine might be more a symptom than a cause, but to me the biggest problem in tournamenet senior ball is the very small size of brackets. To spend potentially upwards of $500 for a weekend to go and play 3 other teams, and teams you probably have seen numerous times before, to win something meaningless because there are so many associations and "national/world"tournaments is just a poor use of peoples money. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Terry H., does play, quite a bit. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Wes, some of what you suggest has already been done, although it was not the result of just one person... and it was the result of board discussion. There was a major force task force that submitted a written recommendation to Terry & SSUSA. It is my understanding that they will soon announce their response to it. The forming of this committee was initially mentioned on this board. There were many people that offered their opinions on how the task force ought to do things. The committee worked well together because its highest priority was the betterment of the major plus divisions. In short, egos/personal agendas were cast aside. They were focused on fixing the problems, not the blame. That is the difference between small committees of committed people and the masses on this board. The root word for committee is commit. The folks on this board are free to state anyting they wish(within certain guidelines) whether it's relative to the issue or not. Even when the subject matter is about 'being more responsible' there are far too many posts that reek of personal agendas. Wes, I hold little hope for the folks on this board 'staying still' long enough to actually resolve much of anything. Had the major plus issues been opened to this board, we'd still be arguing about how the survey ought to be structured. All of us know folks that prefer to discuss the symptoms than to implement a proven solution. This board is full of them... This is a good forum for many types of discussions but not for resolutions. BW |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | Are you talking about the committee that was set up to talk about just the 50/55 age group or is there one that's looking at the bigger problems?????? One of my personal problems is I would like to play alot of ball so I make the best choice I can at the begaining of the year as to which teams I will play on, 60 & 65. For the last two years both of my teams folded half way through the year. I think that all tournaments should be listed by Jan 1--each team could sign up on the web by Feb 1--everyone could see who is going where and pick a chose, change your mind, etc. untill Feb 1--- at that time you must pay your full fee for each tournament that you signed up for and if you do not show up you loose you $$$$$. 1. We all would know who and how many teams would be there. 2. TD -Terry-Ridge, etc. would know how to plan. 3. Tournaments that did not get enough teams could cancel early,etc Wes |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | PS My problem with the rulls are changing teams. Someone tell me why I can not play for 3 or 4 teams each year. Why do I have ask my mother if want to changes teams Wes |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | "Why do I have ask my mother if want to changes teams" Because you made a commitment, and most of us were taught a loooooong time ago to honor them. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | You are right --but my team/coach made a commitment to me to play in so many tournaments and now they are not going to play and I must ask there permission go play on another team--is that fair--No Wes |
| Aug. 21, 2008 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Wes; So you saying pay for a (example) Aug tournament by Feb 1 and you go or loose the fees...? What happen if you loose palyers to injuries or a job move or a hurricane strikes the month before and wipes out the place... gee wiz, tough do do, aye? As it is now, teams wait as long as they can to try to be as sure as they can, to have a healthy and complete roster to attend them. I know of one team that lost about 4-6 guys in a couple recent tournaments, Kinda hard to go with valuable players on the DA list. Perhaps playing on different teams in different assn's would work for you... dirty, that commitment thing works both ways. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Wes, it was actually set up to address the major plus rules for the 50-60 players. The task force didn't restrict it to those ages, SSUSA did... I'm sure that they have reasons why and it wasn't the committee's place to ask 'why'. My point in the last post was twofold... 1) we don't find solutions on this board, we merely idenify problems. But this isn't much different than society as a whole. As an example, only a small group of people decide whether we go to war or not. 2) The people that are most affected by changes need to be involved in the process to over ride the change. Not all of us have the same issues; therefore, not all of us need to be part of their solution. The rules about changing teams isn't likely to change in the near future. You might wish to fill your siftball calendar with non-sanctioned events... ones that are not impacted by these type of rules. BW |
| Aug. 21, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | One of my ???? was why can we not find solution on this board---why do just scream at each other?????? Wes |
| Aug. 21, 2008 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Let cooler heads prevail and welcome, Wes. I've said numerous times that the power of this website for organizing, disseminating, teaching and sharing is "off the charts". Their could be columns, forums, demonstrations, videos, kiosks and more. The amount of good that can be done for senior softball just from this website is awesome if and only if it gets organized to do so. It's a figment of SSUSA, Wes. Their baby, not ours. We have no power to make them do anything as many of us have found out in one way or another. They have some wonderful people working for them specifically Fran and Dave, but no movement, as of yet, to identify itself more with the Senior Softball Community, to travel into and help cultivate the culture of the beast. The most fundamental problem is how to get more players involved, informed, taught, collated and ready to act together to effect change. Right now, most folks don't feel and be charged with the responsibility to get involved and help make a difference. Or we could form a senior softball union as I've mentioned before whose representatives could be involved and act in our behalf. Or SSUSA could appoint or select a liaison to collect data and info and report both to and fro the body and it's head. This is a new idea for me but I like it's potential for simplicity, ease of application and efficiency with the right people in place. Representation and involvement are key marks of an effective society and group and before we can anything accomplished we must realize we can and need to do better and be willing to create a vehicle/infrastructure to enable our growth. I've always shown the bias for SSUSA to step up and help the Senior Softball community more directly and efficiently with it's awesome capabilities and personnel. Haven't I. |
| Aug. 21, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Wes, why is there air? This is one of the many $64k questions (not inflation adjusted)... as is the one the no one has answered for you. BW |
| Aug. 22, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | I think we do have power $$$$$$ Let all agree that next year we pick on big tournament from each group SSUSA and SPA and tell then know one is coming to that tournament. If we stick togather and no one goes they will be out $$$$$ and we can show them that we can get organized and speak with one voice Wes |
| Aug. 22, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Wes, if you want to be the 'point man', feel free to do so. But I'd re-think that strategy. As a new person to this board, you may not be aware that the folks that contribute posts probably represent only 1% of the total enrolled senior softball players. I'm sure that there are more than 1% view these posts but it's difficult to measure them. The underlying theme with this is that you might not want to start with the 'tough love posture' without first knowing how many folks are behind you. But, as the point man, you would be in charge. BW |
| Aug. 22, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | I think your 1% might be right--- but I hear the same talk on the fields that I play. I'm not a good point man but I have some other ideas that I'm going to try. I have some personal problems with some of the rules. I think I will try the letter writing approch and see what kind of ansewers I get. At one tournament that I was playing in I heard a TD from an earlier tournament say he was going to get out of SSUAS because of some of the things it was doing/not doing. Wes |
| Aug. 22, 2008 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Wes, I would place more emphasis in your own personal (first hand) experiences than the experiences of others. If they happen to coincide, then you have a trend. There are 8 senior assns (or so)... none of them are perfect. Every one of them strengths and weaknesses. We play in 4 different ones and try to enjoy the positives of each. case in point... we just went to Lincoln, NE, for the SSWS Nationals... almost everything was ideal except that 2 teams dropped out while we were en route, leaving just 3 of us to play for 3 days. Stuff happens. (Gary, no need to tell me how you feel about this). But it didn't zap our enjoyment of the tourney nor of the town. We had some small issues with the SPA in Tulsa as well... we're going to LV next weekend (8/29-31) and I'm sure that there will some minor concerns there, too. But we pretty much schedule the same ones every year. If we were to hold any of them to a satisfaction threshold resembling total perfection, we'd be staying home. But that isn't to say that you shouldn't make the effort to offer constructive input... but make it constructive. BW |
| Aug. 24, 2008 Wes Men's 65 335 posts | I agree Wes |
