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March 6, 2009
Men's 50
3114 posts
The PPR rule is a disaster
regardless of your intentions.
Without the effect of that rule,
pitchers will no longer be protected
and they will be in demonstrable MORE
danger than last year and you MUST act
to protect them at least as much as last year
by moving HRs back to singles/walks
you and your association will be
and will be held
those who play and suffer senior softball.
You guys have been, for better or worse,
born of ad hoc, situational judgments
for years now and all of a sudden you want to claim
some high road regarding all rules and decrees?
C'mon man.

A mistake is a mistake is a mistake
and responsible accountable people
correct themselves especially when it will disadvantage or endanger others as a result.

This is a very simple situation, Terry
and needs your action to make it right.
Most of us get it and will judge you
March 6, 2009
Men's 60
154 posts
It seems that a dozen or so players at most are really pushing for the revocation of the ppr, with out evre giving it a chance. These players seem to think along the line that once a team has used up it's home runs they will start hitting middle, but my teams case, we want production in the form of batters on base and as such we try NOT to hit the middle-- for fear of an easy play or dbo. Also, no one on our squad wants to be responsible for injury to any one else. Let's give this a chance and then complain.
March 6, 2009
Men's 60
1712 posts
What does this post have to do with the title, "IN-DEPTH TEAM RATING REVIEW ANNOUNCED review" ?
March 6, 2009
Men's 50
3114 posts
Read it, Dave.
In it, Terry mentions other stuff.
Curt, with all respect,
I believe you're correct for yourself
but I find this not to be the majority case
at AAA, Major or Major Plus.
Because greater danger will be experienced
by pitchers and short infielders
Terry must revisit his decision.

None of us want/need to be responsible
for something that will increase the danger
to senior softball players for no good reason
and I hazard most of us both recognize
and feel this way.
March 6, 2009
green rocket
51 posts
Mr. einstein, I do hear you! It's the squeaky wheel thats the one that gets greased.

Reminds me of the ASA a couple of years back when they instituted the stolen base in slow pitch. Needless to say they had to retract the rule fairly early in the year when so many players complained about it. Some recreation districts didn't even allow it league play.

It is still early in the year, so as touraments are played and feedback is generated more players will vocal about it.

Ballplayers are the engines to any association and they are the ones who eventually drive the vehicle. They can also choose to drive any vehicle that is offered to them.

As an umpire, I will try my best to not have the DBO become a great factor in any game I officiate. I just pray that nobody gets hurt before this rule is eventually changed, along with the HR rule.
March 6, 2009
Men's 60
279 posts
I'm one of your dozen pushing to remove the PPR. I started a thread on 2/23 (DBO PPR Protecting Nobody) that had over 25 separate players reply and not one of them said the PPR was a good idea.
I have mixed feelings, however, about the DBO HR rule, I don't think it's absolute that the middle will get pounded more once homers are used. You are more likely to hit a weak come-backer if you try to force the wrong pitch up the middle. I'm willing to give the HR rule a chance.
The DBO PPR rule needs to go because it is misleading and doesn't do what it supposedly is designed for.

I totally agree with your logic about staying away from the middle to avoid outs. I also believe that 99+% of players would not intentionally try to hurt a pitcher. What happens when you get a 2 strike pitch where the only place to hit it is up the middle. Why should the hitter be punished. Should we also outlaw short, flat, outside pitches?? Of course not. Two things actually protect pitchers, skills/relexes and equipment. Both have always been legal and available without special rules, don't pervert the game, and take the burden off of the umpire to interpret a rule that doesn't protect anybody. I see no reason to wait a year to get this rule off the books.

Don Newhard
Manager - OLR Nighthawks 55 M+
March 6, 2009
Men's 55
23 posts
I'm with ya Einstein.
If you need an ally you got one with me.
Terry needs to come out and address these issues we all are concerned about.
In the 60's there was a song called
"Silence is Golden ".

We don't need that now...the economy sucks and people will be attracted to Tournaments that are close and have player friendly HR limits.

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