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| Oct. 26, 2009 local 169 posts | Huntsman round robin games a farce ! Play in St George this year for a team that had won AA last year and A the year before. I figured we would move up to AAA but that did not happen. We were placed in Major. What a joke during the round robin. One team we played was listed by SSUSA as a Major. They did all they could to blow the game., boot easy fly balls, drop ground ball double plays and even have their HR hiters punch the ball to the right side. I don't think they even scored for the first three innings of the game. I had watched this team play a week earlier in Vegas and they had no problem hitting hr's. No need to mention the name because if they are reading this they know who I am talking about. The point is this, Other teams have started to do this or will real soon. Hats off to the teams from Canada. They played hard in all of their games. St George needs to find a better way or teams our going to quit coming to this wonderful venue. |
| Oct. 26, 2009 BruceAZ Men's 70 155 posts | So, what happened to them, did they get moved down to AAA? I played in St George last week with a pickup team from Mesa AZ. It looked like we were in the 55-A seeding bracket, we went 2-1 and got bumped up the AA for the tournament. The 8 teams in our Bracket were pretty even, we took Bronze, a CA team took Silver and another AZ team took Gold. They probably should have been rated AAA, they were the best team in our bracket, but I didn't have a problem with them being in AA, we gave them them a good game just couldn't pull it out in the end. |
| Oct. 26, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Sandbagging is a problem there but it is all over anywhere, where pool play is a factor. Have medaled there loosing pool play games and winning them. Kinda hard to rate teams in an OPEN ROSTER event. That and they have something like 7 divisions which varies with number of teams. There are some very good teams from Canada. I played for a 50's team from there 3 years ago and was the last time I could afford to go. I think I know who you are referring to and was asked to play for the next year, but couldn't. Better way? Perhaps an automatic move up, should you win, maybe if you place 2nd... who knows, but then you face name changes and other factors... But greatest fields around other than say maybe synthetic. imo. Volunteers treat you great, healthy food & water always there. Expensive given it can be a week long and people still work. But you can find that in any tourney. |
| Oct. 26, 2009 turn2 489 posts | Don't feel bad. There was a team there rated major plus by ssusa in the 60 division and they got to play in the aaa division. We (Turn Two) got to play MTC as we were the only 2 major plus teams. There were some strong teams but they moved some down. We had a great time and we played MTC 2 out of 3 for the major plus title. I did not see teams throwing games but they did move down some strong teams. Later Donnie Turn Two |
| Oct. 26, 2009 local 169 posts | Not too many teams sandbag at Phoenix because it could cost your team a good seed for bracket play. If a team comes to St George and they are rated as a Major they should not be playing in a AAA division. There where 2 teams that should have been playing AAA that were moved to major to fill the bracket. Needless to say neither team placed. A few years ago I played on a "B" team.In round robin we played a AAA rated team. We beat them only because a player was ejected in the first inning and they couldn't field a team. We moved up to AAA and were gone in two. |
| Oct. 26, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | thats the thing LOCAL,senior org's rating don't follow at the huntsman games(with open rosters and all),unless you are a M+ team like turn2 and others like them.they are the ones that have a hard time there as there usaully is no one of thier caliber there for them to play.most teams run from A-AAA with a major team here and there.what i see usaully happens is that they take the top 4-6 teams,from each age div, and put them in the top div and then space the rest out in 6-10 team brackets below that.so if your team is a good AAA team in regular senior ball,it most likely will end being in the top bracket(divsion) there. |
| Oct. 26, 2009 local 169 posts | I spoke with the Director or assistant and he told me they have a hard time getting Major teams to come. I suggested they have the Major teams play in a 2 or 3 day tournament for major teams. I did not see any 55 Majors playing 50's. That could be another way of getting enough Major teams to play. But don't drag up some poor AAA or AA teams just to make a Major bracket. By the end of summer teams know if they are Major or Major plus. |
| Oct. 27, 2009 stattad Men's 65 235 posts | This is another reason all teams should keep stats and pass them out. It keeps the players competitive and doesn't let them "sandbag" as much. |
| Oct. 27, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Local was that 3-4 years ago, at the Canyons complex? |
| Oct. 27, 2009 local 169 posts | It was about 3 or 4 years ago. The player used an illegal bat and was tossed for the game. The team did not have enough player and so we won by forfeit. So we did not get to play the game and and we where moved up to AAA for having the forfeit win. |
| Oct. 28, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Local, I was present for one of those, but over the two years 3-4 years ago 5 bats were removed. As for the move up perhaps it was the only or easiest slot to place you in given it was really unexpected, But you got a game to replace it it seems. They have 2 parks where either the wind or sun is TROUBLE 1. Little Valley and and the one way back from the Canyons off of 2. Pioneer parkway. Still a great venue to play games, imo. I hope to return for both weeks, that would be sweet, again. |
| Oct. 31, 2009 local 169 posts | We never got the game replaced. We played one less game than every one else. The previous year we played B division and because of ou forfeit victory we move to AAA. It was BS but it's history now. They need to learn from their mistakes. |
| Oct. 31, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | The OPEN roster causes ratings problems, no shows are another and illegal bats are one more, in many ages divisions. Unless a team always shows with the same guys it's guess work, and you don't know what they have in the bag when they register. I really feel thy do the best they can, but they do admit to having made some bad placements. Kinda hard to replace a game for a very unexpected happening. Do you really think they would re work all the games to follow for that one. Roughly 6 years ago we had a team no show and couldn't get another but we continued on. The unexpected happens and I can't see blaming them for it. Still a great place to go even if it is up to a week long. |
| Oct. 31, 2009 Captain Marauder Men's 65 91 posts | We played 60 mens AAA and went 2 wins 1 loss in Round Robin , I knew we would play in AAA cause thats where we played since 2002 and we won Silver last year losing to Brix and Stix out of Florda in 60 AAA final . In our AAA bracket we had 1 Major plus 3 majors and 3 AAA teams. We didnt place this year . I complained to the Director he said he had lots of complaints but they did the best they could. Maybe next year they will do a better job placing teams in the AAA bracket, Still a great tournament with great fields I will be back again next year. |
| Oct. 31, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | I believe your Geo... M.....s. and I think it was in '08, I turned you down for playing because of not being able to afford it. My 1st miss about 02. You guys are always in there with good teams as is Yeagers and Stefco Silver Stix 50's Who I've played with. The games have had their bad years for pairing teams that's for sure, but i do think they try to learn from it. |
