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| Nov. 5, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | To sue or not to sue Mr. Meyer let us use his fallow farm field to start our little league. The fathers of our community were grateful, agreed and enforced that no one would sue him or anyone else while on his field as this would both punish Mr. Meyer for his generosity and cause the entire community to lose the use of the field and all it's benefits. I remember my father telling me how lawyers and litigious citizens could and would ruin the sense of community we were taught was necessary to live together well if we weren't careful. We needed to work things out with one another, boy to boy, man to man, family to family and I can talk till tomorrow remembering all the sit-downs, pow-ows, and meetings that were called and held to settle conflicts within our community. Those were the best of times for us in Hartsdale, New York, and truly our golden years. I got my arm broken and jaw hit playing senior softball in the last 2 years. Some guys told me I should try and sue for damages. Sue who? Don Clatterbaugh, my ex-teammate and friend? Fran and Dave of SSUSA whose generosity and consideration provided me with the opportunity to play senior softball this year? And possibly risk making playing softball so expensive me and my friends might not be able to play anymore? Or dumbing down the balls so players can't enjoy playing softball in a way most of them love it and want to play? Hell no. I was raised that suing a member of my community was wrong, selfish and self centered, could cause many others to lose opportunities and experiences they deserved and worked hard to enjoy. And suing often brings outsiders like lawyers, judges and media in, making THEM powerful inside a community without the identity and caring of its consituents. The stakes and consequences change and soon everything is out of whack, perspective is lost, costs are high, punishments are excessive and long lived, the community gets fractured and it's fabric torn. All because one or both parties, selfishly didn't want to settle their beef. I'm hearing that someone wants to sue me for things I've said on the website. I don't want to sue anyone for things anyone has said about me, right or wrong. That's not the way I operate or think is best for me or our community. I like to make my point and be heard, stimulate interest, sometimes confront and teach and not punish or try to destroy or incarcerate anyone. I want and encourage anyone to contact me to meet and settle meaningful differences or arguments we might have. I believe this process is positive and redeeming and brings hope to people and communities that we can learn to live, go and grow together. Yet, I won't be intimidated by anyone or run from any fight. I'm accountable for myself and my actions, once and forever. And I will defend myself against any self centered man or entity that would go outside the context of our community and try to punish me, irrespective of the consequences to all for whatever I have meant and said within. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | You were doing so well, until you turned this into another one of your personal crusades. Joe, take a step back and understand everything in this sport is not about you. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 tattooball 774 posts | The law is the law, and slander and libel is illegal. You have hurt many good hard working people outside of this comminity and continue to do so everyday with your continued banter. I would like you to explain to our 200+ employees why you want to hurt them financially, 198 of them don't even know you exsist. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | And the others probably wish they didn't. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | From where I read\sit: I doubt you were REALLY "HURT". Other than the possibility of not getting a substantial acct added to your portfolio.... yet. But still working the crowd to get it. I doubt too Joe conversed with those 200 personally or they even read the stuff unless you emailed all of them and had them read it in company memos. Too bad all that couldn't have been taken\done via your personal emails since you both have each others and no doubt phone numbers. Vindictive, revenge, retribution, who knows the why, I don't. But I do see it as a loss of sales for 52\275 balls here (ssusa) and I am glad for that one. Unless you miss mark them. But you still have ASA to hawk them too, they do most any what I call stamp approval for some cash. Of they ban it. I guess that's another business type as well. imo Still what ever is used, both will be using it. And we really don't know what it is. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | I don't want to hurt them or you, financially or in any way, not one of them for a penny or a second. I don't want to hurt you as you're a good person and a terrific business man and have said so numerous times. You have said on numerous occasions that more people were buying your products because of me and I believed you and it was never my intention to stop them from doing so in the first place and said so numerous times. I think Combat bats, especially the grey senior and Machenko models are fabulous senior bats and have said so often. I think Mike Macenko is a great ambassador for senior softball and you couldn't have picked a better guy to represent you and us. I've bought half a dozen or so of the grey senior ones and will get another one soon. I think the micro cell ball you have developed which I didn't like at first is the best ball right now that seniors can use to keep our game fun and worthy of our continued investment in senior ball and I've said so more than once. I think the Trump Stote ball is a better ball given standards for balls that are prominent, today. I've apologized numerous times to you publicly and privately for my part in making this personal between you and me. It's regrettable and embarrassing to me for both of us, then and now. I've been trying to promote good and lively balls for all of us to use as I think this is critical to the enjoyment of senior softball experience. On this perhaps, we disagree but that's no crime against either one of us. Let me be clear. I mean you and your company no real harm, then, now or ever and have wanted the personal matter between us over for quite some time I will apologize again openly once and for all for having said anything that has hurt or embarrassed you in any way. Kevin, I'm sorry about all of this. I'd like it to be over for you, me and everyone else. We are members of the same valued senior softball community and can work together for ourselves and others going forward, I know we can. Why you're gonna be a rookie with us next year and I remember how far and well you can hit a softball given our practice session in Reno a few years back and I'm sure you miss playing. So, what do you say? Let's talk off line and finish whatever we need to say and do. I'll email you as soon as I post this. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 Paco13 424 posts | Have no idea of what is going on, but a good Naval Officer told me many moons ago...LT if it is not in writing it was never said and it was never done...sadly a lot of people write very incriminating stuff on this and other boards...once you write it you own and is there for the world to interpret it...Hopefully you guys can work UR differences out, I am very certain that there no intent to hurt anybody either financially nor personal. Jesus love us. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 tattooball 774 posts | The damage has already been done, apologies and back peddling cannot change that now. This has nothing to do with the .52/275 because it was not on the way here to begin with. Joe brought this to you all and libeled us along the way. It really is a shame that the truth and facts never entered into his conversations. It is always what he wants you all to believe in order to hurt innocent bystanders. The emails are another story. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Pressure brings out who we really are our character and true intentions, Kevin, for all to see. I've gone out of my way to try and make this right to you, for me and everyone else. But I can't do it alone. You have never regretted or apologized for your slander and disparaging remarks. Not once. This thing got personal with us early on and I regret that, still, as that shows my character and intention but it's getting more obvious to everyone you just can't/won't let it go, revealing yours. And now you're going for daddy and his weapons of mass destruction to make your fight not caring who's involved, or gets hurt or the cost. Our community is getting and will get what's really going on, Kevin and neither one of us will escape the truth. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | mmmm...joe maybe you should of thought about what you were gonna say before you up and run down people and companies.now your crying b/c you might get spanked,if you can't do the time,don't do the crime. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 Joncon 328 posts | Am I the Only one that Doesn't read His posts because Of the way he Writes them in This annoying fashion. |
| Nov. 6, 2009 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | Oy Vey |
| Nov. 6, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | I'm a big boy, Dog. I can give and take it with the best. And I don't equate legality with truth or legality with morality if you can follow what I'm saying. Sometime the biggest guys or the guy with the biggest weapons or need or want to control others isn't whom I follow or believe to be right. For example, I believe an email to anyone is a personal matter and means and owes only to the sender and recipient. I don't care what the law says about it. Email is a personal communication and should be respected as such by all. I am bound by my own code of right and wrong not yours or his or theirs. And in case you were asking I'm doing just fine. |
| Nov. 7, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | but yet now you are crying,and no i didn't ask. |
| Nov. 7, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | A lot of people will be hurt, dog, before this comes to pass thanks to Kevin's inability to handle this like a caring man and running to "daddy" for help. Court stuff can get very ugly. Your ignorant insensitivity is beyond measure but please don't threaten to sue me as I just don't have any tears left. Sniff, sniff. |
| Nov. 7, 2009 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | And dog, you know what gets me about guys with attitudes like yours? You don't get that being the first to show vulnerability and care in offering to settle a big problem like this that can hurt many others is seen as weak and mock worthy. It's guys like you that... |
| Nov. 7, 2009 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | a lot of people,who,i only see one that is gonna get it,thats you.you are the only one to come out with the slanderous comments towards people.so no i don't feel any remorse as to what happens to you.also your name calling doesn't bother me as i have no income at stake as the other people you have slandered,so do what ever tickles your fancy,or what ever makes you feel bigger.i personally care less what happens to you,and your dumb crusade. if we do happen to ever use the 52-275 ball(which will prolly never happen) i'll still play and have fun doing it,and of course will be happy not to see you playing.so go and make your comments to someone who cares,all the majority of the senior players there are,well thats what you say anyways. |
| Nov. 7, 2009 JamesLG 420 posts | It really is sad to read of anybody getting sued over something they wrote on this forum or any forum for that matter. How old are we anyway? Is this not just a game we play? Thanks: James |
| Nov. 8, 2009 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Dumb butt, to many of us it is just a game, but to some (and one in particular in this case) it is his BUSINESS. Think at least a little bit BEFORE you post. :( |
| Nov. 8, 2009 Joncon 328 posts | Everyone should start replying in this fashion to show him how hard it is to figure out what the hell he is trying to say |
| Nov. 8, 2009 jim16 Men's 65 180 posts | You intentionally put slanderous words on this public site with intent to harm my business. I also have private emails that were clearly blackmail threats against me and my business. That type of internet activity is criminal as well as civil. Thank you to SS USA for doing their best to wipe it out but it is easily found through google and other internet search engines. You have made it a public record. |
| Nov. 8, 2009 WOW 197 posts | This is really getting to be CRAZY. What a waste of time. "How bout them Cowboys"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
