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Discussion: Balls/Bats/Format

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May 25, 2005
The Pro
81 posts
Due to some recent unpleasent tournament experiences I'd like to make a strong recommendation: that it be madatory for all tournament directors to declare the following facts on thier registration forms; 1) the manufacturer, core and compression of the balls being used, 2) the bat standards being used and 3) the format being used i.e. how many round robin games and if the championship round is sinlge or double elimination. I believe that teams should have this information PRIOR to sending in thier registration fee and making travel plans. A lousy ball (yellow red stiched Diamond 44/375 or any lower comp/compression ball), ASA bat standards, less than a 5 game guarentee and a single elimination Championship round are all reasons to NOT participate in a tournament in my humble opinion.
May 25, 2005
Men's 65
3146 posts
This seem like a reasonable request. I would also add that the runs allowed per inning should be noted. For example, 5 runs or unlimited per inning. All of this info should help in making a tournament an enjoyable event.
May 25, 2005
Men's 50
2 posts
I don't think that will happen so quickly. I feel that groups like the ISSA, ISF, ASA, etc. are missing the boat, The ISSA/ISF do a two game round robin. They take great care and pride in the fields but the white, low compression balls and bat restricitons are something else. I feel that if they and other organizations would listen more closely to what we as players want, then I feel that their team participation would increase and the teams would have a most competitive and enjoyable time.
May 25, 2005
Men's 65
3146 posts
I disagree with your statement that ISSA/ISF takes great care and pride in the fields. Last year I played in the ISSA trounament and we thought they were the worse fields that we played on all year. Also, there weren't any official scorekeepers or scoreboards. The tournament didn't have the "feel" of a national tournament! This along with the ASA rules is reason enough for me not to want to play there again.
May 26, 2005
Men's 65
570 posts
The fields in the park we played on was the worst field of all time in the ISF tourney. The balls was ball the infield was so bad the white ball was red in the second inning. poorly ran tourney 4 teams in our bracket took 3 days to play. must be getting kickback on the motels. The information should be declared infront
May 27, 2005
Men's 40
48 posts
I agree that the manager should have this information before entering or paying for any tourney. However, get use to the new "whiffle" balls that are being used. They go hand & hand with the "middle games" taking place and the "hot bats" that are available on the market. All of the associations are in a position of liability and such have to protect their interests. I don't like hitting a 44/375 either...especially in 95/100+'d get more velocity from a 16" mush ball. I wish I had the answer...I don't.

I do like SSUSA's format. Even if you have a bad tourney, you still get 5/6 games in and have a fair chance to do well.
June 3, 2005
238 posts
It is nice to say that the manager should have the information before the tournament but how about changes made the night before in the meeting? Last year in Delaware was the biggest change ever. The first day we used a 44/375 but the second day we used a 44/90. That's right 90 compression. It was like hitting an old sock. We all know what tournaments change the rules - mostly Manassas and Glen Burie so why not send a message and just not attend. If all teams stick together on any issue they become a powerful influence. And after all, isn't it our $ that we bring into the communities and organizations?
June 6, 2005
489 posts
the td's should let each team purchase the balls from them and at least that way you can hit several balls throughout the game. you then have a chance of hitting newer balls.
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