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Discussion: Reiterating The Issue Concerning TOC Brackets

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Feb. 20, 2010
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Reiterating The Issue Concerning TOC Brackets
Below is a message I posted on January 18, 2010 about the TOC:

"There seems to be a lot of concern about players picking up a player that was not on their roster, as this may give that team an added advantage. While this is a legitimate concern, I don't happen to see much concern about Teams playing in the TOC at a level BELOW the level in which they played for most of the 2009 season (i.e., AAA Teams playing in the TOC as a AA Team......Major Team playing as a AAA Team....and so on). There are several teams doing that this year. IT occurs because a team may have won a qualifier early in the year, and then got moved up to the next higher division. Although this is within the SSUSA rule, doesn't seem fair. AA Teams may be going all the way across the country only to run into AAA Teams. How is that a TOurnament of Champions for the AA Team. They may be beat before the TOC even starts.

Having 12 or 13 guys on one team playing at a lower division is more of a concern than one team possibly having a single player that may be a "ringer".

I know SSUSA is doing the best they can..."

After checking the TOC results today, it appears these concerns have some validity. The California Black Hawks, a 55 AAA team won the 55 AA bracket; In the 55 AAA Gold bracket, two major teams (Tri State Merchants and Northern Virginia Force) finished first and second, and a AAA team (Wilson 55) finished third; and so on. There has got to be a better way to do these brackets. Any ideas out there?
Feb. 20, 2010
14 posts
That seems to be more of a problem with you younger guys. A AA team beat a AAA team twice to win the 60 AA.
Feb. 20, 2010
353 posts

Let's get the facts before the rantinging begins. For your info 3 teams in the AA bracket were moved up up to AAA after wining a championships. The 3 of 4 played AAA and didn't qualify at AAA. So all should've turn down the ivitation to the tourney at the level they won? A possible 10 teams had invites and several played AAA after being moved up.Sounds like sour grapes. For your info the Black Hawks travel to the TOC with 11 players whom all qualified with the team, no pick-ups were added. the Black Hawks participated under the rules and guidelines everyone played under.To all that participated in the TOC, Great Job.
Feb. 20, 2010
Men's 55
451 posts
This kind of confusion is to be expected when teams are moved in the middle of the season, or middle of tournaments for that matter. They should abide by their criteria and only move after Phoenix.
Feb. 20, 2010
Men's 65
30 posts
Just to set the record straight, Northern Virginia Force did not get rated Major until October, after Phoenix. The first tournament we played as a major team was the Winter Nationals (and we went 1-5). We were AAA all year long, since the WN started the 2010 season. We qualified as AAA and went as AAA. I agree with Hitt2, sour grapres and complaining seems to be the theme on this board. I always thought that tournaments were played to be won and with it the goal of moving up. Somebody stated before that it seems everyone wants to play low so they can win, and when they do, they complain they got moved up and they really don't belong there. Every team below the Major+ level should be striving, as the U.S. Army says, to be the best that you csn be. If you're afraid of the competition, stay in league ball.
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