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| July 29, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | NSA Worlds BruceinGa Please update us on the results from the NSA Worlds this weekend in Alabama. I plan on bringing Kelly's next year to the NSA so also comment on how it is run, Balls used, Field conditions along with who is winning. Thanks in advance. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| July 30, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Thermco placed first, Old South/Lill second and Pine Knob third. This was a well run tournament and the fields were excellent. The balls were Worths Gold Dot 44 cor, 525 comp but hit like 44/375 balls. A better ball could have been used. |
| July 30, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | BruceinGa Thanks for the update. How many teams in the Major plus And who were they. Sounds like a short field if it was only a 1 day event. Thanks again. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| July 31, 2005 Lefty Men's 75 721 posts | Our team from Tn. played in the tourney and this had to be the worst ball I've ever hit. It sounded great when you hit it. But you might as well been hiiting a wet towel. We hit 375 balls in league and they hit much better than these mush balls. They should have used the shark or the trump balls. Next time I plan a tourney I'll be asking what type ball are they using. It's not worth the money or the time. |
| July 31, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | Lefty Thanks for the update on the balls. Worth 44/525 will also be used in Des Moines and we used it last year in Des Moines as well. While it is no Decker Shark ball it worked ok. What was the heat and humity like?? The climate also can have an adverse effect on the balls. Were they ok in the morning and bad in the afternoon?? Thanks in advance. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| July 31, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Only three teams in Major Plus. We played a double round robin, playing each team twice. We lost twice to Thermco and beat Pine Knob twice. I think Thermco and Pine Knob split, I may be wrong on this. In double elemination, we lost to Pine Knob then Thermco beat Pine Knob. We then beat Pine Knob in extra innings and then we lost to Thermco. I weather was great, highs in the 80's and overcast for most of Friday and Saturday. There was some bright sunshine on Saturday afternoon and temps in the low 90's. If I had any complaints beside the balls it would be that the umpires seemed not to care about recording the courtesy runners. At time they didn't even notice a courtesy runner had entered the game. The official scorekeeper was not notified by the umpires when a swap was made. We were told to call the scorekeeper to announce our courtesy runners. Most times this didn't happen. I think in the Major class there were 4 teams. |
| July 31, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | BruceinGa Should be 5 next year at the NSA as we will go and with the open borders so will the Ga. Crush. The USSSA this coming weekend in hutchinson will again be the biggest gathering of the top 50 + teams this year, Wish your team was there as then it would have even been a better event. I will update after Hutchinson win or lose next week. Thanks Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| July 31, 2005 JTS2 Men's 55 88 posts | In the 50 AAA Metro Star finished first with Southern Softball second, Indiana Calssics third, and Sideline Grill fourth. In the 50 AA Dayton Legends were first, OG'S were second, Nashville Coach third and Scrap Iron was fourth. As usual it was a well run tournament at Cullman witha great complex. My only complaint was the Gold Dot balls were like socks. You had to play small ball. In the four years I have played senior ball I have never played so shallow in the outfield for every team. In small ball good defense and timely hitting win ball games. Word is that the NSA will move this tournament to Rock Hill, SC next year. I hate to this Alabama trio tournament end. |
| July 31, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | JTS2 Congrats to all winners and to all that attended. Shame about the ball tho. I would rather have back the old 525 balls and the double wall bats then what we have now at times. Seems in the quest to try and ensure less and less home runs and lower scoring and less time consuming games that they(TD'S) fail to understand that we resent hitting a mush or soft ball. The USSSA wolrds last year in Panama city beach had a very good 47/525 decker shark and i did not hear 1 complaint from anyone about it. I will report back after the USSSA next weekend but i do expect them to use a 47/500 compression ball as the USSSA has in place a climate control rule that takes into effect when and where your playing and if above 80 degrees then they should use the higher compression ball. Thanks for the update. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| July 31, 2005 turn2 489 posts | MK39, just wanted to let yu know there were 4 55 major plus and 3 55 majors in boaz. in the 55 major plus turn two/ rekco/ county sports was first, ny statesmen , central flrida ins., and faith electric was fourth. in the 55 major, ami's from florida won then bale chevrolet and travel lodge. the 44 525 worths were a lot better ball than the us last year. at least you could hit a few home runs. look forward to see your team in hutchinson next week. later donnie |
| July 31, 2005 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | Donnie- Thanks for the update on the 55 Major +. I told Clatta last week after y'all KILLED everybody in Plano that if you show up, you should be the tourney favorites. Glad you proved me right! I've heard the balls were bad; how were the scores of y'alls games? Did you run rule eveyone like at Plano? Tell everyone LL said Hi and great job! Sorry our Mission team was not able to attend. They will be in Hutchison this coming weekend; I'm still out with work issues. Hopefully, I'll be back in the swing at Phoenix and Las Vegas. Later, LL |
| July 31, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | turn2 Thanks for your version of it which matched exactly with what Clatta told me 2 hours ago when he called me with an update. He said the ball went if you hit it and that you guys got your home run limit and if the other team got theres then you went to the 1 up a few times. Not sure why the ball was going for the 55 guys and not the 50 guys?? Could have been wind blowing in fields for them maybe?? Congrats, i will name your team as the 55 major plus team of the year a little bit in advance here as i predict that no one will beat you guys this year. It will be my pleasure to meet you in hutchinson. I am number #39 . See ya then Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| July 31, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Most of the time the Major Plus field, number 4, had a slight breeze blowing in from right center. None of us ever reached our 6 hrs. I seems like one game our opponents had maybe 5 and we had 3. I would like to say that Thermco was a hitting machine. Congratulations to them for their championship! One more complaint, we were told that our hr rule was 6 and one up. If you hit one after your 6 before you opponent hit their 6 it would be an out. The NSA rule book shows a single, not an out. |
| Aug. 1, 2005 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | Bruce, Thanks for the props. You guys are to be congratulated as well. That was one heck of a comeback against that beefed up Pine Knob squad. The merging of Pine Knob & Stafford will make for a very potent lineup, and I know that they will be very, very tough when they gel. I think that MK is right about there being a lot of different 50 major + champions this year. The field seems extremely competitive. On a personal level, congratulations to you on your MVP selection. You played great. Sheeesh, talk about a hitting machine. See you in September. peace Hit To WIN!!!!!! B mac |
| Aug. 1, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Thanks BilllyMac. Whats this I hear about you singing Johnny Horton songs inbetween games? I think it was you the wives were describing singing "The battle of New Orleans". |
| Aug. 1, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | BruceinGa Weather and wind and now the TD'S rules will have an impact on home runs. If the NSA rule book said 6 and a single then that should have been the way it happened. USSSA is 7 and then singles and it is way more fun. We hit 15 out in both seeding games last year and still managed to lose both games. hahaha but we had a ball doing it. Championship sunday against Thermco and there was maybe 2 for each team when they moved us to a wind blowing in field with all kind of other fields open but it had an impact for sure even with the 47/525 decker golf ball we used. While home runs are fun they dont gurantee a win if the other team can hit and hit and play small ball. We have worked on a 5 man defense this year which will only be used when the wind is blowing straight in to try and counter the small ball game sort of like Thermco did to us lat year in the 5 man with the wind blowing in is very good strategy. IMO Thanks Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| Aug. 1, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | BillyMac Pine Knob and Stafford as 1 team is a scary thought. Can you tell me if Gary Morris, the big boy 3rd baseman is now with Pine Knob. He hit 4 consecutive home runs against us in panama city last year and played open major agaisnt our Denny Jones 20/25 years ago. Now i dont care if you sing this weekend, but we are not the british so dont be firing no guns at us trying to run us down the mississipi to the gulf of mexico. Congrats on your win at the NSA and cherish it because i plan to take it away from you next year. ok Thanks Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| Aug. 1, 2005 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | In 60AAA, Team Toyota (winners' bracket) was playing Chadwell Homes (losers' bracket) for the championship. Didn't stay around to watch since I had an 11 hour drive home. Bruce, the weather must have been better in Cullman than in Gadsden. Heavy rains Thursday and intermittent rain on Friday made for some less than desireable conditions for the round robin on Friday. You could have cut the humidity with a stick. The rain delays caused us to play until about 10:30 Friday night. With the poor lights and the ground fog, it looked like something out of a science fiction movie. This is not a knock on the tournment organizers. The ground crews did a great job of even getting the fields playable for Friday. Saturday and Sunday were OK, although rain threatened all day and the outfields were still very wet, especially in the mornings. That, combined with the deep grass, meant anything hit on the grass stopped pretty quickly. The balls were like hitting a roll of socks. I would hate to see this tournament move to SC. That would pretty much put it out of driving range for most teams in our part of the country. Maybe there would be a better selecton of hotels, though. We're 0-2 picking hotels in Gadsden. |
| Aug. 1, 2005 jc24 96 posts | Thank you to the TD for the 1st CLASS diamonds at Heritage Park. The were AWESOME, field conditions were great, diamonds were dragged for Finals, lined and home plate filled in and watered. A real nice touch. The Dayton Legends had a GREAT TIME. Everyone was very friendly!!!! Great to see everyone.... Thanks...Y'all... |
| Aug. 1, 2005 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | Bruce...Guilty as charged on the singing, but don't tell anyone. I don't want to ruin my tough guy image. Those were your ladies? All the trash that we were talking about you while you were playing Knob, and they never said a word. True Southern Belles, as genteel as the day is long. You are lucky fellas. peace |
| Aug. 1, 2005 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | MK...Can't help on identifying your man. I'm usually pretty oblivious to the other team when I'm playing without coaching. The only Gary I know is the power hitting pitcher, who was definitely there, and made his presence felt. They had 20 men there, so it was kind of a blur of black and gold. Maybe this weekend I'll be singing "Please Mr. Custer, I don't wanna go!" As for the NSA title, thanks for the props. And like a true Sox fan, I can say next year is a year away, and we'll be the champs until then. See ya in Kansas peace Hit to WIN!!!!!!!! B Mac |
| Aug. 1, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | BillyMac That would be Gary Deaton, the pitcher for Pine Knob and yes he can hit it both ways. Gary Morris was the ASA MVP in 2003 which was the last time i played 45 + in Indianaoplis and he played with Golf Wharehouse that year. He was with Stafford last year in Panama and if he was with this Pine Knob team then you would have remmembered something about him as he flat out kills the ball. Must not have been there. Like some one recently said, Softball is a funny game. You can go from being realy bad and being humbled all the way to being the best in a short period of time. You beat a couple of real good 50 Major + teams in the NSA and congrats were in order. You guys already have 3 worlds in this year and we are just now leaving home for the first time and it might just be us thats sings the please Mr. Custer song, ya never know until it happens. On paper says one thing and on the field could say another. We hope to show up and give every one a run for the championship at least. Now my plan on winning the NSA next year is only a plan not a promise and until then you guys are the NSA champs. See ya in KS. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| Aug. 1, 2005 Train Men's 60 20 posts | Texas Transplant . Team Toyota won the 60AAA. Beat Chadwell Homes 15 -9. Hope ya"ll didn't have to drive thru as much rain as we did to get back to Baton Rouge |
| Aug. 2, 2005 barko34 19 posts | LL10 We (the Statesmen) had no problems with the ball in the 55 MP. For the weekend, we hit more homers in 7 games (28) than we hit in the previous 12 games (24). As far as scoring, in the 3 bracket games, we scored 57 runs in 19 innings with 10 homers and maxed out in homers once. In the 4 double elim games, we scored 91 runs in 22 innings with 18 homers and maxed out twice. All in all hit much better than in Plano, with 6 different guys hitting two or more homers, but still not there yet. Sammy (severe chest pains) and Roger (bad quad strain) stayed home, so we basically were down to one pitcher all weekend and it bit us in the end. Anyway, we were happy with the ball. Barko |
| Aug. 2, 2005 TexasTransplant Men's 70 516 posts | Train, Congratulations on the win. I told our guys going in that yours would be the team to beat. We always enjoy playing you. |
| Aug. 2, 2005 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Yes Gary, I think that someone posted here that Deaton played with Crush in 2003. |
| Aug. 3, 2005 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | Barko-Sounds like you guys had the hitting shoes on in Boaz! I'll bet those were some LOONG games! Good job by the "old" boys! Sorry to hear about Sammy and Roger. I know Roger will be OK but how is Sammy. He is not quite as "young" as me, so I worry about my "elders"! Give him my best and let him know my wife, Pam, and I will be praying for his good health. Also, give my main man, John Davide, my regards. LL LL |
| Aug. 3, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | Gary19 Sorry for taking so long to get back to you as i am busy preparing for the USSSA Worlds this weekend in KS. Yes Same Gary Deaton from Florida who now plays for Pine Knob out of Michigan???? Talk to ya when i get back. Thanks Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| Aug. 3, 2005 BRich8 7 posts | BillyMac, there's a player here in Nj local leagues that is just tearing it up and may be able to help you defend your titles if you are looking to add a roster spot. He is mainly at 3b, some SS or P. If interested post your email and I will follow up. Good Luck. Bob Sr. |
| Aug. 3, 2005 BillyMac Men's 55 91 posts | Bob Sr....billymac4@comcast.net Everyone else, no hate mail please. peace Hit to WIN!!!!!!!! B Mac |
| Aug. 3, 2005 jah#4 Men's 70 576 posts | hey Billy Mac I have A HOUSE In NJ maybe I can play with you under the Snowbird rule Don |
| Aug. 3, 2005 Conman13 Men's 50 5 posts | The Gary referred to in an earlier post is Gary Perkins. He used to play for Maroadis out of Pennsylvania and Little Caesar's. One darn good ballplayer. Gary Deaton is with Pine Knob also. In the Major division, Travel Lodge was first, beating us, So Fla Blitzz twice, 14 -13 and 21-20, the final in the bottom of the 7th. Kitrell was third and Motor Men from Detroit finished 4th. The Travel Lodge bunch hustled their fannies off and had to play 5 games on Saturday. A good group of guys who played hard and deserved to win. |
| Aug. 4, 2005 MK39 Men's 50 333 posts | Conman13 It was I who asked about the other Gary. I played and came up short losing to the 45 Marodi guys 6 years in a row. we took 2nd 3 times etc, etc,. Marodi's was by far the best 45 team that ever played the game and they only had real real good players and the big man was a great sponser for them. Saw Cecil Whitehead the last couple of 45 events with them as well. Thanks for the update. Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+ |
| Aug. 4, 2005 barko34 19 posts | DoubleL10 We hit it a little better in Ala than when you saw us, but we were definitely a little soft trying to catch it. I don't know how much it had to do with the balls, but when we're hitting homers, up and down the lineup, we're a much better team. Tinkered with the lineup on Saturday and it seemed to help a bit. I think I see our shortstop in this thread; Bobby, I'm thinking maybe we should have put John De behind you instead of in front. Anyway, by the last game agasinst Rekco, I think we were down to 4 healthy players capable of running. I spoke to Sammy and he's ok. Had an ekg done and all the requisite tests, and they didn't find anything. I will say this, when we saw him at the airport Thursday afternoon, we were all worried. He's feeling good enough to the point that he's back playing in the local Tuesday/Thursday 60+ league and was at the beach Monday and yesterday. I guess there is something to say for retirement. I saw John Davide last night, trying to play shortstop against Radcliffe, one of the top 40+ teams around, in a local league. All I can say is, Bobby, you have nothing to worry about. We talked about this thread and he agreed that the balls we used in Boaz were pretty good. Field conditions were good, no bad hops anywhere that I saw, other than some of our gloves. Fields definitely had a pitch down to the outfield, probably a good 3 to 4 foot difference. Umps were ok although I agree with an earlier post in that they were pretty blasse about the courtesy runners. I'm done for the year but the team is going to Des Moines, Vegas and Phoenix and John is going to Utah, with Rekco, so I'm sure he'll see you somewhere. The team is probably going 60 next year and I'm pretty sure John is going to sit out the year then go back in '07. If he does play anywhere next year, it'll be with Rekco, depending on the residency rules. barko |
| Aug. 4, 2005 DoubleL10 Men's 70 907 posts | Steve- Thanks for the response. I'm glad to hear Sammy is OK. I almost wouldn't recognize the New York Statesmen if I didn't see Sammy's cheerful face! Best of luck to the guys the rest of the year; I hope to be able to go to Vegas and Phoenix with Mission. BTW, I did speak with Clatta after Plano and he told me he was taking quite a team to the Huntsman games in Utah. I'm sure John D. will have a great time playing with some of our "old" Dan Smith teammates again. I'm just jealous 'cause I'm in Texas now and can no longer play with my great friends from the 80s and 90s BEFORE I became an "old fart"! Sorry for the rambling. Take care. LL |
| Aug. 5, 2005 BRich8 7 posts | Steve, I agree on the balls, they were fine, we didn't seem to have a problem nor did Rekco or Florida against us. The field were not as good as Plano but better than most and they were groomed after a few games. Sorry you're not going to any more tournaments this year. At least Sandy will get a fair shake now not a lot of hard errors. Bob. |
| Aug. 6, 2005 barko34 19 posts | Bobby Actually, I thought I was pretty easy, this year. There's just so many grounders one could hit to third or short and expect hits on. I kind of like the way Nelson Paint did it back in the day. They gave you a hit, if you reached on an error and an out if you hit a sac fly. Makes more sense in a game where the premium is on scoring runs. Good luck the rest of the way. Steve |
