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Discussion: Play Down for Major & Major Plus

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Aug. 13, 2005
Men's 50
333 posts
Play Down for Major & Major Plus
We will soon play this in Des Moines IA. with the Major and Major plus teams all starting in the same field of 12 to 16 teams.
The teams with 0 & 2 records in double elimination will then move down to a brand new double elimination tournament which will result in a championship in the Major division while the Major plus plays itself out resulting in its own championship team as well.
We also get 2 seeding games in advance of the double elimination events.
I see this has the saviour of the major plus program.
I also see it has a way for major teams to see how they stack up and if they can compete by adding a player or 2.
No harm to the major teams if they lose as they got to play 2 extra games with no penalty.
I would like to feedback on this subject as i would like to go to USSSA, NSA and ASA with it as a means of increasing participation in there worlds events for next year.
The AAA and AA divisions are just fine the way they are and i am only looking to help build and preserve the top 2 divisions and to have a bigger better event as well.
All feedback glady accepted.
Mike Kelly Kelly's Sports 50+
Aug. 13, 2005
489 posts
hey mike it was nice to finally meet you in kansas. we saw you guys play and you have a great team. good luck with the rest of the year.
the play down sounds like a great idea. what does the lower teams have to lose? but you know, there are some teams out there that just want to win and play as low as they can.this idea would also make a field of 10 or more to start the tourney off. sounds great from my end but we will have to see how the major teams will respond.
good luck,
Aug. 14, 2005
Men's 70
9 posts
Three years ago in Des Moines I was playing on a major level team (at best) and during the elimination phase we were playing a strong major + team and we actually won. It was great but we were gone from the tourney after the next two games. However, we beat a good major + team and sent them down to the major level, it was worth it! The other side of the coin is a team from CA that I watched in that tourney the following year and at that point in the tournament for them they all changed defensive positions and batted their order upside down and lost intentionally. Poor sportsmanship to do a thing like that but that is what the tournament directors have to prevent. All in all however, I think it is a good way to run a tournament.
Aug. 16, 2005
238 posts
With this being a National Championship tournament and all teams already rated, why have a play donw at all? I have played in this torunament for the past two years. The fields, umpires, and balls are great, but the design is not. After last year, it was plainly stated that the design would change because of the problem with throwing games. Granted it is somewhat better but still a Major Plus can still wind up playing a Major. Let teams play where they are rated and allow the UII.
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