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| Feb. 16, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Where is he now? What happened to Einstein? Some of his posts were off the wall but he sometimes was very interesting. |
| Feb. 16, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Yes he was, but he was banned. |
| Feb. 16, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Do we have a BIG BROTHER on this site? |
| Feb. 16, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | logan-if you were not on here the last couple of weeks that einstein and garyc were on, it became a vicious personal, racial, vitriolic exchange between them. The whole board breathed a sigh of relief when they were gone and I have seen a lot of guys start posting that rarely did before. BIG BROTHER was right! |
| Feb. 16, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Webbie25 Even if he was right it's not good to have one.Went back and read the posts it was Einstein and Gary C attacking each other I don't condone what they were saying but we are grown ups if you don't like what they said don't read there posts. They both had strong opinions and they did go overboard sometimes but some of the posts were funny and they had some good ideas. I would put up with the crap to hear good ideas and laugh a little. Don't you think this country is anal with political correctness? |
| Feb. 16, 2011 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | logan, you didn't see all of the posts if you went back in the archives. As Webbie says, some were pretty wild and beyond normal lively discourse. These posts resulted in entire threads being dumped, including all of the offensive posts. This was irritating at times because sometimes their spat spilled over onto what was otherwise an informative, interesting thread that was then deleted along with all the other posts. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | logan-it was a personal war that needed to be taken elsewhere. SSUSA made the right call. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Come on guys like I said "DON'T READ THEM" I guess this site is better when guys are talking about there Grand kids and who they saw at the last tournament BORING. I did read them all and they were over the top at times but some were informative at times. You might like a world where a kid can't get a toy in his happy meal unless some politician tells them what they must eat but not me. I would like to have both of these guys on my team. I am sure they play with passion and that's the way the game should be played. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | logan makes a point. Sure some of it went too far, but the rest of us knew what was coming and no one was forcing us to read what we did not want to, or found offensive. Same as with TV shows. If you don't like particular content, change the channel. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 birdie Men's 70 802 posts | logan,I believe that both of those guys asked to be ban from the board at one time or another in one of their heated discussions. I agree with the statement that you do not have to read what they have to say. Most of the time the name calling etc was in the middle of a good discussion and the thread would get way off track. Thanks Harry |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | birdie repeats my point that the squabble often trashed a good discussion on a different topic. logan, tell me your secret on retrieving ALL of the comments that have been deleted. I lost a lot of statements when a whole thread was dumped, statements that sometimes were the results of research and that I would want to retrieve if the argument came up again...but they are lost to me. And Webbie's observation is correct that a LOT of new guys are now posting. If it is so easy just to ignore certain guys, what explains the addition of dozens of new guys once the flamers were banned? Don't they know how to disregard inflammatory statements? Or was the environment so toxic that they didn't care to participate lest they be attacked as well? |
| Feb. 17, 2011 ju25 Men's 60 236 posts | I agree with you Harry & Omar, many a good thread got deleted because of those guys. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | logan, as an afterthought, you observe that you would like to have these guys on your team. I don't know gary, but I do know einstein and you are correct that he plays with passion and competence and by all accounts is a great teammate. I also enjoyed many of his opinions, including those I completely disagreed with, so I miss his presence. However, he was quick to attack those who opposed him, often with namecalling and belittling comments. I don't miss that. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Omar, I see what you are saying, but so what if some guy on some website 'attacks'. They are only words with probably little meaning, and really on threat at all. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Harry BIG BROTHER is fine if you like censorship. What happens if you say something BIG BROTHER decides he doesn't like is it OK to ban you? We are adults not children we should decide if we want to read a post or not. If BIG BROTHER deletes threads that is wrong and I can't understand why you are not outraged |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | I wouldn't go that far. This is not a First Amendment issue. It is a private website and the owner can delete/ban as he pleases. What they were saying didn't bother me, though yes it was out of hand. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 canIjack Men's 60 322 posts | Personally I enjoyed Einstein on and off the field. I feel that Gary C. was very negative, confrontational and had nothing Positive to add. Maybe, that was his reason for his anonymity. Un like Joe, who is very passonate about the game and people who play it. I do miss Joe's views on some of these Post. We know who Joe is but Who is Gary C? |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | I have been reading posts on this site for quite awile that is how I know about both of these guys.If you were afraid of posting because Einstein or Gary C would say something bad to you I guess you don't need to wear a cup when you play ball. My God what is going on in this world. This site is now boring I don't care who you saw at the last tournament or if you think that so and so should play up. Most of the time I didn't agree with what they were doing but those guys made you think. Could it be that some people don't like to be challenged ? I have just signed on this site to post but have been reading posts for a few years this site has lost two guys who were passionate about the game and I know that anytime you allow censorship you have lost creativity |
| Feb. 17, 2011 birdie Men's 70 802 posts | logan, They asked to be ban and got their wish. I would be mad if I got ban for something that I said that did not break the rules of this web site. I believe that there are rules for this web site that must be followed. if you break these rules you should be ban. They pushed it to the limit and went to far. That is just my opinion neither of them would give a inch so they got their wish. Thanks Harry |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Who cares who Gary C is it's what he said not who he is. Einstein attacked just as bad as Gary C. It's not if you agree with one of them it's they should be allowed to express there views. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 birdie Men's 70 802 posts | logan, I agree with that statement. Do you think that they where just kidding when they asked to be ban? |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Gary C said ban us both Einstein never asked to be banned. If I remember Gary C said I will take one for the team. That I thought was funny. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Spin it anyway you want it is censorship. BIG BROTHER HAS SPOKEN! |
| Feb. 17, 2011 stick8 1991 posts | Logan, I don't know GaryC but I do know Einstein personally. He's an excellent player who can pitch, play the infield and hits with a lot of power. I would take him on my team anyday. He's really a good hearted guy who wants the best for everyone. The best way to sum up Einsteins posts on here would be this way: "the views expressed by this poster don't necessarily reflect those of the SSUSA community" |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | The staff just deleted one of their own posts that shows they don't have to delete a whole thread if they don't want to. Stick8 you are right it's sad that adult men and women aren't allowed to decide if thay want to read a post or not. I have seen Einstein play and I know Gary C he is a very good player also. If they met they would not agree on much but would love to play on the same team. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | logan-I appreciate your passion against big brother. I feel he is already here in so many ways and I believe we have asked for him by our actions as a society. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Every step we take toward big brother is taken with the best intentions-i.e. cameras on every corner and in every store, traffic red-light cameras, etc. and they are all things that, if we behaved ourselves, would not be necessary. In this case we have a privately run message board for discussions about softball. Those 2 made it a verbal war on many threads and a very personal one. There were a few days that their attacks were the only blogs in any thread. It interfered with the purpose of the board and alienated a lot of potential bloggers.The decision was not made lightly or quickly. I think they made a decision they had to make for the viability of the board. Isn't there a line somewhere that if you cross it, you deserve to be banned? |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Capt Kirk 541 posts | I believe we have a kinder gentler approach to senior softball issues, the way I like it. That's my 2 cents worth, enough said, let's play some ball. Our league starts for the 60's on March 5TH, we are ready to roll. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Webbie Don't read the posts. A kinder gentler approach lets not keep score we don't want the losers to feel bad. We can have a new Divison. Liberal softball no one wins or loses what fun. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | Einstein is off the board but I guess by changing his handle GaryC got around the ban and now posts as Gary19. If GaryC and Gary19 are not the same person then they should be because they express the same exact views. Since Einstein isn't here to provoke him it's not quite as bad but still not good. He likes to go after maddog and call him names. Just my view. The Hitman |
| Feb. 17, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Just like pro hockey-there are only 5 teams with losing records because you do not get a loss for an overtime game, even if you lose. Pretty bad, that. logan, they were warned and asked to stop repeatedly. At some point you have to monitor your own behavior. Maybe you have a point-we could have won in Phoenix if you guys hadn't beaten us twice-just by counting the runs you scored as being more than we scored. Triviality!! We need a redo!!!! Enjoy debating with you, my friend! |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Me to Webbie but like I said all people had to do is "DON'T READ THE POSTS" |
| Feb. 17, 2011 canIjack Men's 60 322 posts | The word is that Gary C has more than one handle.Ummm So now Joe is gone and Gary C is now Gary19. Ummm Take one for the Team. Ummmm This is some deep PooP. Tell me more. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | I was the one quoted Gary C not Gary19 hitman Gary C and maddog agreed most of the time and no I am not Einstein. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | Actually this one really smells of all that POOP that has been stepped in. DIRTY and GARY19 have the same info and I believe if it was checked back far enought that GARYC is also one in the same. Now that really smells. Alais GARYC/DIRTY/GARY19 The Hitman |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | FREE EINSTEIN AND GARY C |
| Feb. 17, 2011 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | I think Gary C already has a pardon or get out of jail FREE CARD. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | How about some proof. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | Just ask him, he'll probably tell you straight up that he has used all three. Or just read the post you can tell they all have the same personal opinions from one individual. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Some people think the same doesn't mean they are the same person. I said before I know Gary C and he is not Gary19. We have talked and he dose not go on this site anymore. In fact he e mailed Einstein but never got a reply. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | Sorry Guys, I didn't research far enough to get all the facts and retract the posting of three alias being used. Only DIRTY and GARY19 are one in the same. Sorry for any confusion. The Hitman |
| Feb. 17, 2011 The real deal Men's 70 114 posts | Sounds to me like logan and Gary C are the same person... |
| Feb. 17, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | HOW ABOUT THIS LOGAN,SINCE YOU DON'T POST YOUR INFO IN YOUR PROFILE I'LL EINSTEIN YOU AND SAY ANYTHING YOU SAY IS WORTHLESS. oops sorry about the caps. by the way einstein got it started toward gary c when gary c just asked a question about having a tourney with non-senior bats.joe only cares about his agenda only,and spits all over anyone who doesn't agree with him,he mucked up a bunch of threads with his venom. |
| Feb. 17, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Sounds like the real deal and einstein are one and the same. Mad dog I said before I know Gary C and he is a great guy but if you bad mouth him he has a short fuse. I have talked to him about it but that's just him. Mad dog Next time I talk to him I will tell him how you defended him. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 DCPete 409 posts | Pretty much agree w/Logan on this one; without dissent & controversy it gets very boring. Kind of like the line in the Steven King movie "Needful Things" when the devil (Max von Sydow) tells the police chief that "You actually need me because without evil there can't be any good". |
| Feb. 18, 2011 atruhitter 2 posts | Hey gary c aka logan nice to see you back on the board again.And if logan isn't gary c they must of went to the same school they both spell the same word wrong DOSE is spelled DOES and gary c was the only person on this site to spell it like that |
| Feb. 18, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | We did go to the same school and I did misspell DOES (are you happy now) but I am not Gary C. I have said I am friends with Gary C but because we make a mistake on the same word we must be the same person ok if you say so. This is what I was talking about before, this site has become boring with posts like yours. Tell me what a great hitter you are and your grand kids are cute and it was great to see Joe Blow at a tournament.This kind of stuff is for face book not a softball site I will try to become a better speller if you try to become a better poster. Not as good as Gary C but we did go to the same school. Have a great day atruhitter. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 canIjack Men's 60 322 posts | AND THE POOP THICKINS, |
| Feb. 18, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Is it starting again??? Tater50 |
| Feb. 18, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Logan: "A kinder gentler approach lets not keep score we don't want the losers to feel bad. I guess this site is better when guys are talking about there Grand kids and who they saw at the last tournament BORING. " We are SSBallers; we care about each other; although not blood kin, we are a softball family. We do not sit down at a meal in a tourney & start throwing trash at each other or at other teams like what was being done on this site. We do not need contention; discussions, yes, but name calling is ridiculous; each person should be addressed by their real or username!!! If you are married w/kids, do you sit down at the table & start throwing trash or do you have a "GENTLER" type conversation? I bet you don't!!!! Tater50 PS This site is FARRRRR better off without the garbage & confusion & many more are posting: if the garbage returns; I'll be the first to move on out!! |
| Feb. 18, 2011 birdie Men's 70 802 posts | Tater50,I second that opinion for what it is worth. I will not read any post by the spoon (logan) all he wants to do is stir things up. I will try and not take the bait. Thanks Harry |
| Feb. 18, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | some sites have a ignore function,to bad we didn't have it here.at this point i have no prol with logan,as he is only spooning as harry says,but if he does become personal with it that can be another story.as we know gary 19 is another spoon,his only function in life is to stir it up and complain about a game we get to play.i happen to live in Sacramento when they started the GOLDEN SENIORS LEAGUE there that has morphed to ssusa.i'm sure glad they did that as i prolly wouldn't be playing softball at 61 now. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Dear yelping puppy, you do have ignore capability here. Each post has the author's screen name in bold. If you want to ignore that person, don't read their post. Sounds pretty simple to me, might even be for you on a very good day. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Harry you just said what I have said all along don't read the post if you don't like the person who is posting. Canljack you seem to have a thing about poop. Tater I think I have a right to express my opinion on this site but then again you seem to like having BIG BROTHER around. I am sorry if I don't want to hear about your family because I would never think of boring anyone talking about mine on this site. If you guys want to sit around and be afraid that I am really Gary C you can and I guess no matter what I say you will never believe me and that's your right.When I do talk to Gary C he will get a kick out of it. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | While passionate about the game and the ensuing discussions pertinent to the betterment of our game I read with interest the threads that have sometihng positive to offer. When the egos or unwell (whichever it really is) persons disrupt and destroy the positive or thought provoking aspects of the thread be they pro or con someone HAS to step in to preserve the intergrity of what we all love to do or discuss. To start the BIG BROTHER mantra along with certain phrases and semantic deliveries and quickly enumerated posts it appears to me that a member of this board has once again re-invented himself much to the detriment of us all. That being said. It is a sad fact that the policing of this web site message board is NEEDED - and if fact welcomed by the majority of posters/players. While not as colorful the content has for the most part been enjoyable, informative, and positive. Some sarcastic, some witty, like the wry sport we play. If you want to read the negative just pick up your local newspaper ......... but most of us here, I believe, would prefer to have the negative, taunting, inciting, deriding, useless posts left out and enjoy what our sport has to offer. If you can't man up and abide by the very simple quidelines for posting you should be revoked. If you feel the rules do not apply to you, you simply don't belong. The trouble is those kind of people will NEVER get it. Thus, yes - a BIG BROTHER is needed. Somewhat akin to a play ground monitor that is forced to make the kiddies follow the societal rules - sadly - as grown men there are some that still need them. As an organization the SSUSA is opposed to censure - that said - any they initiated was not initiated by them but by the actions of the ones who are supposed to no longer be posting. We don't need the omnipresent drain of the negative posters. Period. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | BORING If the last post was in capitals I would swear Einstein was back. So you think if you agree with BIG BROTHER no problem. Have you ever heard the term slippery slope ? So because I say that Einstein and Gary C should be allowed to post I am a bad guy and it's ok to take pot shots at me. I am big boy and don't need someone to protect me from all those mean people who say terrible things about me. |
| Feb. 18, 2011 atruhitter 2 posts | So let me get this right logan aka gary c has 22 new posts and not one has anything to do with senoir softball.So why post except to whine/cry about big brother.If you don't like LEAVE!!!!!! |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Here we go again. It was nice for a couple of months. Couple ideas. 1. SSUSA-is it too much work to install an IGNORE button? I have seen that before in chat rooms and then each individual can make his or her decision on what to read. Freedom of expression will still exist for Einstein, garyc and logan and we can make our choices what to read-as logan has said many times. And, just for the record, Gary19 will NOT be on my ignore list-while we disagree on some issues, I find he stimulates thought. 2. How about a new category, like 'bats', that would be just for those 3 guys. They can post all they want and if we want to read their posts-we have the freedom to go into their category and read them. Call it Personal Opinions, or something like that. They comment on what is being discussed in other threads and if we wish to read it, we can go there and do so. Instead of BIG BROTHER, it is a special category, yes even preferential treatment, just for them. Pretty neat. Slippery slope---right! I know that this softball message board and how it is run is going to affect our whole society in general. A little BIG BROTHER here and a little there and soon ALL of our freedoms of expression everywhere are gone because 2 guys were banned on a softball message board. Puhleese! |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Pitcherman Men's 50 46 posts | I find it very interesting that someone's very first post on this board is to stir up trouble and every post since then has followed suit. It brings back some very unpleasant memories of the board filled with name calling, negativity and other personal attacks that have been absent for a while, much to the delight of many here. If you know so much about the two suspended posters, yet this was your first post under the name logan, then you obviously used to be on here another name which some have alluded to here. If you do not like the way topics are being discussed on here, why don't you quit the whining and complaining and just go away. But no, like with your supposed friend Gary C (wink, wink), that will not happen. You will continue to hijack threads, contribute nothing worthwhile and generally just be a thorn in everyone's side. That said, I will take one piece of advice from you and never respond again to any of your negativity and worthless input you post here. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Mr hitter you told me to leave I said if you don't like a person or subject don't read the post. No wonder you like BIG BROTHER. Now you want me to post something about softball. Make the game as close to baseball as possible forget super balls throw out the ultra 2 and all the crap that makes average hitters home run hitters. If you hit a ball up the middle it should not be an out and don't say your sorry because that's what good hitters were taught to do go up the middle. Plus pitchers have so much crap on them if they fall down you need someone to help them get back on there feet. If you can't catch a ball hit back at you maybe you should play somewhere else or get a hobby. That's just a start now that ought to piss you and all your clones off. Webbie In a past post I said kids are told what they have to eat to get a toy. I don't want to start a a political firestorm but look what is going on in this country. You might not like me but I have the right to say what I please as long as I don't use foul language. The thing I see most is how thin skinned a lot of people on this site are. How you can think it's ok to ban people because they say things you or BIG BROTHER don't like escapes me. My God MAN UP! |
| Feb. 19, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Pitcherman I asked what happened to Einstein that's causing trouble? I have not been on any other thread so how did I hijack one? See what I mean about thin skinned |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Hey Pitcherman-I just hit my IGNORE button for future posts by logan. Amazing some people try to mess things up just because they have the RIGHT to. I don't understand that mentality. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Great webbie I think that's a great idea. Better than having BIG BROTHER make that decision for you. HAVE A GREAT DAY |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | logan is right that he began this thread with a legitimate question which I and others responded to in a reasonable way. It was after that question that BIG BROTHER began to appear. logan does have a short memory because it was only yesterday that he was on wagon's thread and hijacked that one with BIG BROTHER again. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 thebull Men's 50 59 posts | Hi webbie. Congrats for your win at TOC. Tell me where to find the " ignore button" sounds like a great feature. theBull |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Omar-good observation-I guess I did make a mistake with the IGNORE button-I felt I was just trying to follow his advice, which was NOT TO READ-his words in caps-posts that I didn't like or agree with. I didn't realize that meant I should not read everybody else's posts that I didn't like, but it didn't apply to his posts. I am sorry, I should have realize he was special-and that is my last post on this subject. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | logan,gary19,lets say if i was to come to your house(same as ssusa message board)and just took a big dump in your living room would you let me back in your house.would you be ok if i just sat there and whined about anything you served for eats or drinks b/c i thought they weren't of a quality that i liked.would you get mad at me if i park my truck on your front lawn,and spun donuts on it when leaving.well guess what ssusa is a private entity and can control their board any way they see fit as you would of your house. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | puppy, when did I say SSUSA shouldn't have the control to do that? Now personally I find it kind of silly. Again, if I don't want to read what a particular person posts I just skip over it. And it is only words, so what do they really hurt? But of course the moderators can delete/ban what and who ever they want. NEVER said otherwise. To compare words on a friggin message board to the analogies you tried to make is really absurd, but I defend your right to continue being absurd if you so choose. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Pitcherman Men's 50 46 posts | Omar, good point that he "appeared" to start this thread with a legitimate question. However, after looking at all his subsequent posts, I can only conclude this one was actually started knowing the controversy it would stir up. I was also going to reply that he jumped on Wagon's thread after he denied doing it to other people's threads but I said I would not reply to his posts any more, so I didn't. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 logan Men's 60 26 posts | Well guys If I upset you that much or your afraid of me then I won't post anymore. In parting maddog to compare my posts to taking a dump in your house is stupid that's the only word that describes it. One thing that canljack and you do have in common you both like to talk about crap kind of like both your posts. Omar I understand why you don't want Einstein or Gary C back on the site if I remember they kicked your arrogant butt every time you crossed swords with them. I have one question is 4x4 your illegitimate brother no one can be that boring without being related to you Pitcherman It's hard to ignore someone who has to wear protective gear to play ball you must be a pitcher with that name just a note play a real position and then let me know if you get hurt without you girlie gear. The only one on this thread with any balls is Gary19 he doesn't need BIG BROTHER to protect him. Well it's been nice i am out of hear. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 The real deal Men's 70 114 posts | Bye bye logan/Gary C. Miss ya already... |
| Feb. 19, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Well, you gotta admit logan left on a high note. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 The real deal Men's 70 114 posts | To logan/Gary C: Kind of sad that your comments were always hostile Interesting posts are always welcome here. Senior softball players play for fun and friendships, Since none of us make a living from this activity. Maybe you can rejoin these conversations when You're not so intent on being critical of others. All of us make mistakes, but we learn from them, So as not to repeat them (hint hint). Seems that your posts made my mind go acrostic. |
| Feb. 19, 2011 saddlebrookrick 52 posts | Hope one is gone and one is still to go. |
| Feb. 20, 2011 Eddie12 14 posts | The real deal your post has got to be one of the funniest I have ever read on this board. |
| Feb. 20, 2011 The real deal Men's 70 114 posts | Eddie 12: It's all in fun- glad you got it... |
