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Discussion: No illegal runner penalty?

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May 25, 2011
Men's 60
87 posts
No illegal runner penalty?
Bases loaded/NO outs. Batter hits deep fly ball to LCF that is caught for out #1. All 3 runners move up (3B scores - men on 2nd and 3rd). Batter takes over as 1B coach. Just before the next HE JUMPS ON 1B and the pitch is hit for a single scoring men from 3B and 2B. He runs to 3B (nobody expected him to be on). Batter stays a 1st. When play stops we immediately tell homeplate ump (2 umps in game)about this runner. Runner hears this and leaves base to his dugout admitting he was out.

Umpire says that there was no change in the play because of his actions so there is no penalty. We disagreed. The Tournament Director is called over and he promptly agrees with the ump. No penalty.

So you can just jump on and run the bases and if you get away with it everything is cool?
Doesn't sound right to me - what do you think?
May 25, 2011
Men's 65
885 posts
Wow! I guess neither of the umps was not watching too closely and neither was anyone else on the team in the field!
May 25, 2011
Men's 65
335 posts
Whether he actually decieved anybody doesn't make any difference, he attempted to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The correct call would be for the first runner that crossed the plate during the play should have been called out.
The runner closet to the plate when the play started is out because of the illegal runner on first. In fact if he was discovered before a ball was hit and after a pitch was thrown the closest runner to home is still out.

The Hitman
June 1, 2011
Men's 40
13 posts
I think it should be decleared a delayed dead ball out. which means that the batter that hit the single should be out and that the runners should return to 3rd and 2nd base.
June 1, 2011
Men's 60
87 posts
Thanks guys - SSUSASTAFF owes us an apology and corrective action report (fat chance..) - at least the TD should acknowledge the blown call (slim chance..) - it was a long way to go for some of the poor calls we saw.
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