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| Aug. 9, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hit today a 275 by 52 ball in with the 44x375s all tolled about 25 in the round and it was night and day when that sock came around. It felt just like hitting a sponge, Bob. It wasn't planned to be so dramatic a show but it was. Wow. That ball is a dog. A Sad dog and a Sponge, Bob. |
| Aug. 9, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | In your estimation: what difference was noted in the flight distance? we used the 44/400 @ the NSA tourney w/NSA bats & it was 40' shorter than SSB Bats w/the 44/375. Tater50 |
| Aug. 9, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | When I hit the ball solidly it felt like there was no real impact or bounce off the bat. Probably 50 to 100 feet. When I hit a 44x375 well it would go 315-325. When I hit the 52x275 ball it would go 225- 275. When I undercut/spun the ball it still wouldn't feel like I'd hit it but it would go 250-290. I was swinging an Easton SCX2 not well broken in but lively. |
| Aug. 9, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | well that just goes to prove,you don't know how to hit,just last nite i hit one out and one off the fence(295-300'),using a syn-2 using the 52 ASA stamped ball.they other team had 3 over the fence and a couple to it and off it.so your skewed testing really shows your lack of integrity about attempting to use this ball.use it, do not try and be a gorilla boy to hit.learn to hit properly instead of just swinging from the heals.yes i do know how you swing,i have seen you many times and that is your style. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 leftyfalcon Men's 65 158 posts | Joe that's a great bat. I have one not broke end well yet but just as good the broke end utrip bats in my bag. I need to find on the web where to buy your ball Bob. I'll buy a few just to see how it hits. As you 2 guys know that just cause it says 375/44 that doesn't mean all balls are equal. If I would hit what the kids hit with down here with the ultra bats the ball would fly well and hit real hard linedrives. Now what we use in our senior tourneyments aren,t the same. The kids balls are $55 and leather. The senior balls are around #30 bucks and syn. So if ya'll are hitting better balls than that in senior tourney's I'm moving in your area. Dudley Advances and the Tatoo balls. I believe if the ump keeps any ball out of the sun we'll have a good time. Thanks |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Joe: if possible; could you try some tee shots & give a comparative? Not trying to sway you towards that type of ball cause I know your views, but since some of us have never hit the ball; a good analysis would be appreciated. Tater50 |
| Aug. 10, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Hey Tater. If it looks like a duck. walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... probably a duck, eh? Does/would hitting a bat against a tire 1000 times constitute altering it in any official way? |
| Aug. 10, 2011 doker Men's 60 185 posts | COME ON NOW DOG...YOU'RE LETTING YOUR FEELINGS(OR LACK THEREOF)FOR EINSTEIN GET IN YOUR WAY....FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND HE PLAYS MAJOR+ SOFTBALL...AND YOU PLAY AAA....NOW WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT HITTING THE LONG BALL.....NOT TRYING TO CREATE CONTROVERSY HERE BUT COME ON NOW!!!.....THE BALL WE HIT LAST WEEK IS TRULY A SOCK AS HE DESCRIBES IT!!!.I TRULY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ALL THE FUSS IS ABOUT...SSUSA IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE BALL AS THERE IS NO NEED TO..THE ONES WE NOW USE ARE JUST FINE!!!!!!!! |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Doker, please trun off the caps. Your yelling. The level that one plays senior ball today, has no bearing on ones knowledge regarding the game or the equipment being used. Some of the players playing Major ball today did not play on any tourney teams when they were younger or didn't play above the C level. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | Doker ... To suggest that someone who plays Major or Major+ is somehow more knowledgable about hitting, or softball in general, is a load of crap ... You can't really mean that! ... You didn't hit as well as you would have liked last weekend, and you are blaming it on the ball? |
| Aug. 10, 2011 doker Men's 60 185 posts | MY THOUGHTS WERE THAT A MAJOR+ PLAYER KNOWS A LITTLE MORE ABOUT HITTING THE BALL OVER THE FENCE THAN MOST...NOT NECESSARILY KNOWING HOW TO HIT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE...AND BY THE WAY I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT DID NOT LIKE THE BALL ON OUR TEAM..JUST THE ONLY ONE THAT WRITES ON THIS BLOG BESIDES YOU!!.....I ACTUALLY THOUGHT I HIT THE BALL PRETTY WELL OVER THE WEEKEND ALTHOUGH I HIT SEVERAL BALLS THAT NORMALLY WUD HAVE BEEN TO THE FENCE BUT WERE JUST EASY FLY BALLS WITH THIS BALL!!!!!!!! |
| Aug. 10, 2011 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | Doker ... You DID hit the ball well over the weekend ... As I said previously, YOU didn't hit as well as YOU would have liked ... Does "normally" in your post actually mean "techno-aided"??? ... Like I said on another thread, we have gotten so used to hot ball/bat combinations, I really don't think we have a handle on what is "normal" any more. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 doker Men's 60 185 posts | NORMAL TO ME IS WHAT WE USE MOST OF THE TIME AT OUR TOURNEYS...AS FAR AS I KNOW THIS WAS THE ONLY TOURNEY IN WHICH WE USED THIS 52-275 BALL...AND IT PROVED TO BE NOT UP TO STANDARD IN MY BOOK!!! MY OPINION!!! |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | #19-This is a really good point-we have all gotten used to the way the ball jumps off the bat now. We used to have to create that jump, now the bat does if for you. It would take a lot of BP to recalibrate my swing for a lesser bat. And, yes, I do get my Orange Crush out occasionally for use in BP or when HR's are gone. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Not yours, mine or 99 per cent of all those who play softball anywhere and anytime, Doke. We're being sold a bill of goods by these zealous few who seem to have a huge stake in changing our game for us. But, it's NEVER gonna work because it's not of us, from us, for us and with us. It was superimposed by outsiders and is doomed to fail. You experienced what I have and all the players I've talked with who've hit it. It's a sock, counter intuitive and will generate more tension for players rewarding them for miss hits (Saddog) and punishing them/us for hitting it square and hard. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 doker Men's 60 185 posts | YES WEBBIE IT WUD BE HARD....BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THE MAJORITY LIKES IT THE WAY IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...70 FT BASES HOWEVER SHUD BE DISCUSSED AS IT WUD IMPROVE THE GAME AND MAYBE MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER FOR THE INFIELDERS!!!!!!!!!! |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | How many of the players in Major ball today played on tourney teams when they were younger? How many played C level or above? |
| Aug. 10, 2011 perly 88 posts | Doker, just my 2 cents. Don't think every Major + player is better than every AAA player in regards to knowing how to hit or being better HR hitters. I play AAA this year and we have an OF that is a true 5-tool athlete. There's no Major + team for him to play with in our area but I believe he could play with any 55 M+ team in the country. The guys just that good. Another of guys played for Faith Electric, one of the best M+ teams ever, and he's playing AAA this year. He's one of the best hitters, team leaders and winners around. There are only so many M + teams and none within probably 500 miles from where we live. JMO Two totally different perspectives on the 52 core ball. My opinion, hit a good bat/ball combo. I work out and take to much BP to want to hit a sock. Not passing judgement on the 52 ball because I've never hit one, but if it's a sock I'm definitely against it. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 #19 Men's 70 302 posts | Perly ... It's not a sock ... It just won't travel 600 feet the way some of our friends want it to. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 UMP IN NORTH GA. 47 posts | hello all ... Last night was the first night of our local open league useing 52 300 ASA ball it was a dudley ....in 4 games we had 1st was a rec game no tourney players niether team had a composite bat and the best bat they had was a b52 dem. .... one of the smallest players out there hit it out for his first home run of his life ... the next 3 games were compitive open with all kinds of young kids tourney players with all kinds of composite bats ASA stamped it you know what I mean... they would swing as hard as they could none going out ... it was getting to those guys then they relised what they were hiting ... when did we change to these balls .... they were upset that they didn't bring there metal bats ... the last game was with a team that hit 2 out with composite bats but the swing was so much different from the others it was slow smooth compared to fast and jerky ... reminded me of and old tenn. thumper swing end loaded .... just letting you know from what I saw .... the ball held up pretty good till you got into the second game then they started down ... we used 1 new ball per game then used the ball from the game before if it was foul or out of the park... so what I got out of it was the old and "slow and go" swing got a better pop then the "bat speed" swing with composite bats... einstein I not trying to be rude so please don't take that way ... can you test these new balls your talking about with metal bats if you still have any? thanks for reading jesse |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | How many players today are hitting balls out at a better rate today than they did 20 plus years ago? Is it that important for players today to hit the homeruns? Do you still look at the game the same today as in how it is played, then you did when you did not have the equipment being used today? |
| Aug. 10, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | well joey boy as i said learn how to hit.you are not gonna get a thing by mishitting the 52 ball as which it should be.mishit the 44 with the senior bat and you libel to have a hr over the fence,where is the reward in that,a pitcher makes a good pitch(or deceives the batter in your case) and his reward is a mishit hr,yeah right,way to have fun........ ump jesse you have hit the nail on the head,it doesn't take a gorilla boy to hit this ball,just proper techniques,which the MAJORITY of these guys don't/want to have TO DO. last comment,if looks like a buffoon,acts like a buffoon,yells like a buffoon,must be joey boy.......... |
| Aug. 10, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | I read back on some of your posts, Jesse and you're a singles guy that doesn't/never got a lot of pace on the ball in the first place and don't mind going to slower bat/ball combo. Knock yourself out and God bless you. Find a slower bat/ball combo and don't worry. Be happy. We, the super majority of players at any age would much rather play with a lively bat/ball combo any day. So. Should we change the bat/ball combo to fit the super minority or leave it alone for the super majority? No brainer. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 perly 88 posts | mad dog, I know you, #19, Pricer, Gary19 and others like the 52 ball. Great, we all have different opinions on what will make the game better. Here's what's confusing: Jack Nickalaus, Arnold Palmer or Gary Player, arguably the best golfers ever, may have never hit a drive 300 yards when they played. Give them a knew driver and Pro V-1 and they may hit some 300 yd drives. Richard Petty never drove a car 200 mph in his hey-day. If he crawls into a NASCAR vehicle today he'll hit 200 mph no problem. In the US we live to be an average of 78 years old. Twenty years ago the average was 72. My question is why do you want to compare 20 years ago to today? What's the problem with people hitting HRs? People like to hit them and people like to watch them being hit. Put a limit on HRs and play ball. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Pricer-I played open for many years in the 70's and 80's (Before class ratings) and went to A/AA in Kalamazoo as recently as 1994.Also, played B until 2007. So you are in the hockey business-have you sold any Goalie pads for pitchers yet? :-) doker-70 foot bases are great-we played them in Vegas last year and I really liked it. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Perly, first off, I have never indicated a preference in a ball. What ball is being used don't matter to me. You can look at every post I've ever had and you will not find one of mine suggesting the use of a certain ball. Secondly, Jack, Arnie and Gary were not hitting the balls at people. Richard Petty in his sport, protective gear was always used so speed and gear improved. As far as comparing, fact is if we're in better shape then we were 20 years ago. That's great, I'm sure it will help in the your longevity. But your comparing apples & oranges here. I don't believe one player in senior ball can honestly say they are bigger, stronger and more capable of accomplishing the same things with a bat back then that they are accomplishing today. I played with and against some of the best players in the history of our game. I would love to hear what the best players of our time. So having great hitters stand less than 60' from me and hitting rockets were never a problem. Having players that could not carry their jocks straps hitting them as harder than they did is a problem. That's what concern me, people playing today feel they are entitled to be able to hit the ball as hard as them without all the work that was needed to perform at that level back then. I know some will say that they are in better shape. I'm not knocking technology or progress. But it should not change the game and how it's played. JMO |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Webbie, I have some that to prove a point I am going to wear all of the protective goal gear. Did you ever play in the Kiracofe tourney? I played for a couple years for a team based out of Kalamazoo. I know some of the guys still in the area. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Jeff. Wow. Underlying your words is the constant message that you not only disagree with the great majority of us but that you know what's better for us and want to impose YOUR will over ours. This is very powerful stuff, Jeff and why you must taken as a serious member of the band of zealots who are trying to gain control of us and our game. History is full of such 'tyranny of the minority' episodes with many easy references which will be unsaid at this juncture. (think Fatherland) If there were more of you this would be a real issue but all of you times each other are only a drop in the bucket of us. So, knock yourself out and keep pontificating and sounding righteous about how you know what's best for the great majority of us who love to play with lively bats and balls and been doing it ALL OUR LIVES. Wow. You guys are just don't get it, do you. And you make us look so good by comparison which as many have pointed out in my case is, having seen me in the flesh, not an easy thing to do. Thanks again. I'll take all the help I can get. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Pricer-no-moved to Albuquerque in 78 and played with the Albuquerque Diablos for several years and then Shallow Waterbeds/Fluid Engineering/Miller lite for a couple years. Played mostly out west. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Your an idiot and deserve no reply. When you start answering questions that are ask, you become an adversary again. Until then your a nobody. No wonder folks don't post personal info. Webbie, some of the guys I played with are our age. Jeff Kirk & Gary Van Streain. Either ring a bell? Both are in the USSSA Michigan Hall of Fame |
| Aug. 10, 2011 grumpy55 Men's 60 102 posts | Just curious,but the few guys that post about not using the 52 ball are you Major Plus players? I don't care what ball is used, I just enjoy playing. Just wondering. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 hitman Men's 70 339 posts | AAA The 52 ball is just about like the RIF softballs bought at Walmart(cheap and soft). Just about like an old pair of dirty socks. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | perly nick and palmer did hit 300 yd drives on the occasion,petty did drive at and over 200 mph(i'm a richard petty fan)quite a bit,so those are 2 very bad examples.in fact because of petty and his counterparts the restrictor plate came into play to slow them down,to keep them at or below 200mph.mmm looks like they went to the way of safety,after dale ernhart was killed,they made it mandatory for the hans device(neck protection) to prevent the whiplash and broken necks. hey joey boy your sure haven't learned a whole lot about hitting,and what div do you play.i took some 52 balls last nite,off a tee and was hitting them easily past the longest you said you could get,275',guess you really don't know how to hit.oh and this was off a tee,not some one pitching meatballs to me...... pricer i would like to see just 1 question answered by him,he has yet to do it,like i said,sleazy like a snake oil salesman....... by the way,this all got started a couple years back when these big boys starting crying about the middle rules that were gonna be implemented and hrs for outs.i came out and said,if ya wanna keep the pitcher safe,then use the 52 ball,then there was the crying "we won't be able to hit the ball 450' and enjoy our game".yeah right,you would be able to kill someone than play an fair game. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Player25 Men's 55 50 posts | Played in a tourney 2 weeks ago using the AD Star Tattoo 52 275 NSA ball. The bats were 38 oz. Bombats, XBH, etc. Played on a 290 ft fence. The ball worked very well. Those who should be hitting hr's did and those who should not, did not. Score were in the mid- 20 runs per game on average. There was a lot of defense also. There was a mix of ages but everyone said it was the most fun they had all year. They could not wait to play again next year. Most of the players were from various tourney teams. There was a lot of talent at this tourney. We have also hit these used balls in batting practice with Demarini White Steel bats. We are hitting them consistently over 300 ft. This is both as senior players and younger. Just wanted to provide some input. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 perly 88 posts | mad dog, I have to admit you're right about Palmer, Nicklaus and Petty. Bad examples by me. I'll try to do better next time. I'm still am a fan of technology as well as a good bat/ball combo. You did say above "I have never indicated a preference in a ball. What ball is being used doesn't matter to me." But you have implied we need to dumb (for a better word)the game down. It seems there are three primary ways to accomplish this (1) change the ball (2) change the bat or (3) change both the bat and ball. What do you propose? |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Perly, that was me that said "I have never indicated a preference in a ball. What ball is being used doesn't matter to me." And you'll never find anywhere were I said I want to dumb the game down. Those were someone else's terms & words. I have said I don't like the bats. That's all I've ever indicated. But, my fellow teamates have indicated that they would like me to try the composite during the worlds in Manassas this weekend. I'm serious going to consider it. It will be a game time decision. I quess I would be going to a gun fight with an alumunim bat in my hand if I didn't. I don't think changing the bat or doing a better job of regulating them would not dumb down the game. Thanks for asking a question in a manner where I didn't feel like I had to defend myself. JMO |
| Aug. 10, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | never said to dumb it down,i have said to make it safer,specially for the pitcher and infielders.and like i said it was in response to posts back a couple of years about the pitcher's safety and such. i'm with you perly on tech,i love it too,but at what cost is this gonna be.i do not want to see or hear of even 1 player dying(which has happen just playing with ASA bat ball combo) because of this hot combo we play with,when just 1 thing would greatly reduce that of happening,the 52 ball...when i played in rock n reno in june, i hit a ball at a 3rd basemen that went between his legs (around knee hi or a tad higher)before he could move to get it,this was a line drive and not a grounder.and yes it scared me,just glad he didn't get hurt. i play with the kids here on a monday nite league and we use the 52 ball,we have no prols hitting it,no one crys about it not going 450',and best of all no serious injuries like what happen last year at the park(5 major surgeries,b/c of batted balls). also with the golfers,yeah they should hit it every now and again,but you didn't see the little guys doing it. now with our hot bat/ball combo,the guys who can hit them will still,but the ones who didn't before now hit them with our hot combo.why........ |
| Aug. 10, 2011 perly 88 posts | pricer, give the composite a try. I can't imagine you won't like it. Good luck in Manasas. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | perly we have a guy who uses the gold est and hits real well with it,on occasion he has swung a senior bat,but that is his only intro to the composites. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | Give me some stats: I am trying to berate anyone, but give me some concept of the ball. Why? I do not have 50-75 dollars to go buy any. 1. I judge my bats & balls off of a tee; not live pitching. 2. I warm up: hit 10 balls with a bat; mark the distance (aprox. w/n 10'); switch bats & do the same thing. Hit about 50 each. That's how I determine my bat. My question is this: how many of you, whether you are pro or con on the 52/275 ball; have actually done an unbiased tee test, hitting the 44/375, marking the distance; then switching to the 52/275. Using a SSB or a USSSA Bat. If someone in GA will loan me some; I will give an unbiased report. This IMO is the only way to determine accurately the performance of the 52 ball against the 44 core. Tater50 |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Webbie25 Men's 70 2414 posts | Pricer-I left Ann Arbor in 1971 so I never played softball up there. I did get to play with Dudley Copeland in 82-83-who was called pound for pound the strongest home run hitter of his day by a slopitch publication. Geez, he hit some long ones. I led off and he batted second and the first tournament I played with them, I had about 6 triples and every time he hit one out to score me. The coach finally told me to save my legs and stop at second. I was wasting my energy. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | the distance with the 44 ball will be greater almost always,depending what 44 your using,temp the balls have been in,etc,if ya get what i'm saying. the 52 will go but not just as far,like i have been saying. will you be at dalton the weekend of the 16th sept.i have some usssa model and ASA model and i can let you see.i'm trying to get a few more before than also. |
| Aug. 10, 2011 Tater50 Men's 60 336 posts | MadDog; I'll be there with the Columbus 55 team; with my Bro Perly & GaCMan. You are an advocate of the 52 ball; I am not taking sides with you or the opposition; just trying to get some info "in case" this may be the future ball. I see your persepctive as leaning towards the safety side. You have the balls: give us a tee comparison & share it with the board. The 44 will probably be superior, yet, if I remember you are in Texas, so the hot weather BP off of a tee would give us an accurate synopsis of a comparison between the 2 core balls. The hot weather may prove that on average that the 52 out performs the 44. Compare w/the SSBat USSSA. You have taken the pledge so I know that you will use legal bats. Come on MD; help me out. You got my interest but I am too broke to buy some balls. LOL!! Tater50 PS Look me up in Dalton: I will be making the horse sound & will be the loud mouth!!! |
| Aug. 10, 2011 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | i'll be with the dallas spurs #77.i have hit all the balls off a tee,and yes the 44's do better,b/c of the higher comp, and with no bonce b/c of the lower COR,which is the bounce of the ball,lower COR less bounce,the 44 should always out perform the other balls.where the 52 differs is that in hi heat and such,it won't change it specs hardly any,as will the higher comp balls.a stiffer bat hits the 52 ball a tad better. distance off a tee,these will approx as i hit on a high school BB field when doing my tee work fences are 305 down the lines,330 power alleys,380' in center.when i put them out it is usually between the line and the power alleys as with the ones that hit the fence and warning track.hope this helps some. 40 - 300' max 44 - 320' max 52 - 300' max i'm only an advocate for the 52 ball so we can get back to playing a sane game,and not have missile's being launched all the time on the infield. |
