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Discussion: Suggested addition Score card.

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Aug. 29, 2011
Men's 65
4549 posts
Suggested addition Score card.
For all teams as is on Game score card, critique for umpires.

Evaluate Park FIELDS hopefully by its number, so if something was wrong it might or could be be corrected.

Simple like umps 1-10 rating.

Should be able to add on current form with little adjustment.

Aug. 29, 2011
1583 posts
I could see rating the facilities and how the staff runs the tournament but I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of players rating the umps. An ump could conceivably call a good game and then make a late call that costs your team a game. Emotions might get in the way of common sense which might cause a player to give the ump a bad rating.
Aug. 29, 2011
Men's 70
740 posts
stick8, I think that is a great point. I have seen umpires who do not hustle or have a clue on what is going on. A close call is always 50-50. One team said great call the other says the ump is terrible. To rate an ump should be on consistency with the strike zone ( illegal pitch). Did the strike zone remain the same throughout the game. You cannot make a call at second if you are still behind the plate. These are probably more but to me those are the main two aspects to be graded on.Hustle and consistency The manager should be able to keep emotions aside and give a honest grade ( well maybe not) Thanks Harry
Aug. 29, 2011
Men's 65
4549 posts
Idea suggested was for the team as a group to have input to the mgr and he submits it FOR the TEAM, AFTER the game(s). As i believe is sometimes done for the Umps when they turn in the scorecards.
I know where you are coming from and understand that. But the players pay for good turf as well as calls in the game. I feel that if an Ump is worried about either he isn't up to par, doesn't move, of may even hold a grudge which isn't right either.
I don't think the players asking for more than correct calls being made, the ump in position to see them when made with consistency is asking too much. That applies for balls and strikes as well.
If not done & worried about it is akin to worry about a ball while pitching.
Everyone is using the same one or gets the same calls equals it out, fair for both sides. That's all.

I think this will give the Assn a better feeling on how it went besides the remarks on the board.

Maybe add another spot for rating mgrs; (1) Big problem argumentative \ (10) No problems
That might fix
Aug. 29, 2011
280 posts
That's a great idea and simple to implement. I agree whole heartedly....
Aug. 29, 2011
Omar Khayyam
1243 posts
NCSSA has an online critique link on its website. Don't know how many use it after a tournament, but it is comprehensive (fields, balls, umps, brackets, schedule, overall). Also, I don't know if it results in many positive changes. We have one TD in norCal who consistently violates the association's rules (balls, brackets, playing under lights, length of bases, etc.) and nothing seems to change other than some teams stop playing in his tournaments.

I know the critiques go to the host TD and to the board of NCSSA. A conscientious TD would try to address problems before the next tournament. NCSSA board should crack down on bad TDs (no endorsement, no advertising, no insurance, etc.).

The advantages of an immediate after-game critique are fuller participation, evaluation of individual umps not just the crew, and more accurate description of field conditions. The disadvantages, in my opinion, and as noted above, are potential bias against an ump because of game results, criticism without thoughtful suggestions for improvement, and leaving it up to the manager to carry through the process.
Aug. 29, 2011
Men's 65
4549 posts
Some 'results are posted as to 'results' on these from the various regular meetings NCSSA holds. Then a few are in the minutes for that meeting.
There are more than one Td that violates the rules as you say. With that in mind I know of one who I believe no longer does these partly because of that, but he also was not in the 'click' as they say, either.
But yes they violate their own rules and nothing is done.
They are getting better at the bracket postings for T's. The 'Spreads' are closer that they ever were.
Spreads = the team rating as they see them.
Aug. 29, 2011
1583 posts
Birdie you make a good point about hustle. If the ump makes a bad call but hustles to get in position to make that call they can only argue with him so much--as opposed to standing behind the plate.
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