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Discussion: Robbing Players from Teams

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Feb. 22, 2006
Men's 50
64 posts
Robbing Players from Teams
What do some of you Mangers/Players think about other teams (mainly the manager ) trying to get your best players from your team to come over to theres. I'm not talking about after the season is over but when the season has started and teams are already set. I know there are some hardship case's where a coach will pick up all the exspenses for a player in return for playing for that team, but is there an unwritten code of ethics that teams should follow? Bob
Feb. 22, 2006
Sweet P
Men's 60
186 posts
Bob, in my opinion this is what ruined USSSA and ASA in the younger divisions in the 90's. Teams with money buying all the top players and creating elite teams. This in turn caused the remaining teams to fold or drop down (sand bag in some cases) to compete. In the early 90's USSSA and or ASA would have close to a '100' A, B, and C teams at big tournaments. Now they are lucky if they can hold a tournament period in those divisions. I hope this doesn't happen to senior ball, but only time will tell. Phillip, West Coast All-Stars and yes combining with StoneAge.
Feb. 22, 2006
Men's 55
16 posts
Hey Bob, I think that unwritten code of ethics is called loyalty and that's on the players that leave. Another code of ethics is called mutual respect and that's on the person going behind your teams back. Just my 2 cents worth.
Feb. 27, 2006
Men's 70
24 posts
Hi Bob,
I see your so-called robbing of players as a normal occurance in sports regardless of age.
If a player on my team wants to leave for whatever reason he is free to go. Why would youwant to keep a player that is not happy for some reason? Heck, even the pros, (spelled paid players) may think the grass is greener on the other side.
My question would be what do you think of managers that let players go?
March 12, 2006
Jimmy # 7
28 posts
Some teams WANT to play more tournaments,THAN players WANT to commit to.Or PLAYERS would LIKE to STEP OUT from the TEAM there playing with..To GO TO A TOURNAMENT which there original TEAM was NOT GOING to. After all ISN'T IT the reason we DO MORE each year TO PREPARE ourselves FOR the NEXT YEAR!!To TRY and MAKE the NEXT year GREATER..Warm up LONGER..Jimmy
March 12, 2006
238 posts
If players want to switch teams, let them. Some do it to play at a higher level. Some do it because more of the expenses are taken care of by the sponsor. Some do it to have more fun. I would not hold it against anyone to change for any reason. I would just wish them luck, except when they play my team.
March 13, 2006
Men's 70
659 posts
I also agree with Jimmy# and Robo2. Everyone hates to loose a good player. You liked the old boy when he played on the team. Now he's leaving you dislike him. There's a good reason why he's leaving. You may not like it but it's just the way it is in softball.
March 13, 2006
238 posts
Gary, you have a point, however, we do not know the circumstances behind each move. Playing softball, especially at our age, should be fun. If it is not fun, you move on. Other circumstances come up such as expenses and ones available income, and children going to college.

All things being equal, it would be better to make a move during the off season. However, if a player leaves mid-season, one needs to ask why?

Remember, nobody owns anyone and if that was the case on any team, then that would be good enough for me to say "see ya!".

If it were a freind of mine, I would not question his honor or integrity. Something must have happened that only the individual making the choice knows and feels. It is my feeling that it is not up to anyone to argue.
March 13, 2006
the wood
Men's 65
1123 posts
When does the season actually begin? January 1? I would think that the teams in the cold weather areas wouldn't begin this early.
It seems to me that any dialogue about this should consider and/or establish some clear guidelines prior to basing it upon 'ethics or mutual respect'.
It isn't our practice to take players from other teams once the season has begun unless it's for isolated events. We presume that the season starts in January. We, however, borrowed players in the past without discussing it with their manager first. Looking back, we feel that this is the wrong way to do it (lacks mutual respect).
The pre-season aside, we don't play in tourneys and recruit at the same time. But this is just our views.
I see a lot of comparisons to A,B, C, etc. teams, which are made up of guys less than 40 (for the most part). We are 50 and over and are in the sunset of our softball careers. We have a prevailing level of sportsmanship not present in the younger events. We should treat our opponents with respect in every way we can. Recruiting should be an autumn activity. Once a guy has made a commitment, managers should wait until next year. Players ought to honor their commitments unless there are real issues there... and a parting would be mutually beneficial.
To answer the proverbial question of how I would treat a player if he leaves... we would wish him well (except against us) and move on. Better in March-May than later... to find a positive in it somewhere.
Most of the inter-team problems could be circumvented if they were discussed between the managers.
If this isn't fun, we all are worse for it. Many times, we have grandkids (spouses, friends, etc.) at our games and it doesn't bode well if there is too much strife.
The 'game' deserves better...
March 13, 2006
the wood
Men's 65
1123 posts
I neglected to state my name...Bob Woodroof
GSF 55 manager
March 13, 2006
Men's 50
179 posts
I presently am looking for a team, but since most teams are already complete, when coaches call me about playing, the first question I ask, will I be taking someone's spot. This is a difficult time to be looking for a team, but I want the coach to approve of the move.
If the majority of the team approves, then I would go.
March 14, 2006
Men's 60
99 posts
hey guys,this is my 1st yr to play sr. ball. i know teams are always looking to find that one player to make an impact. But, i beleive taht once you are committed to a team you stay usless it folds. recruit during the off season.Tater i hope you find a team to play with. i'm looking forward to this up coming yr. to make many new friends.
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