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Discussion: Moving On Up 2

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Jan. 12, 2012
12 posts
Moving On Up 2
Thanks to everyone who responded to Moving on up. 39 responses from softball players and none from SSUSA staff. I also sent e-mails to SSUSA but no response. Ignoring ones constituents is poor policy and leaves a bad taste. Topic is posted again below to give SSUSA another chance to enlighten us regarding their decision. Thanks, Leon

This is in response to the NATIONAL RATINGS REVIEW December, 2011 Actions & Decisions post. I play for the Fangrabbers 55's. A new team that has played one tournament,(Las Vegas Winter Worlds) as a major team. We placed 2nd in the tourney and got moved up to major-plus as a result. I wouldn't mind being moved except we'll be playing the same small number of teams over and over again because of the lack of major-plus teams. I have two questions: One, why wasn't the Nor Cal Reds moved up due to beating us to win the Las Vegas Winter Worlds? Two, if we play the Nor Cal Reds in a 2012 tourney because of a lack of major-plus teams, will we have to give them 5 runs? Best regards, Leon
Jan. 12, 2012
Men's 60
873 posts
In their defense, Terry has been out of the country, George is having surgery of some kind, (heart I hear)Dave is on the road, as is Fran. that only leaves Tiffany at HQ and she cant make those decisions.
Hope this helps some.
Jan. 12, 2012
Men's 65
839 posts

Sometimes the answer to your question is no answer. I won't go into the boring details how 2 of my previous teams were moved up for winning absolutely nothing, except small 3-5 team tournaments occasionally(and several teams in a lower classification), and other teams won all the rings that we should have had an opportunity to win. If you have not figured it out yet, approximately 80%-85% are rated correctly. Approximately 10% are rated incorrectly, and there is no perfect world or situation here. Then you have the 10% or so, that are favored, pay and play a lot of SSUSA tournaments, and then you have ownership priorities. I do sympathize with you about playing Major Plus, and only because you are correct, that there are not many to teams to play in that category.

You cannot fight city hall(ownership), so you have to take another approach. I have seen your team play, and they appear to be Major Plus caliber from watching a couple of games at a tournament, regardless of the incorrectness of not moving the Norcal Reds up or not. Whether I understand why SSUSA does whatever they do(and I do!!), nothing is going to change. With all due respect to SSUSA, they do run and have the best attendence at softball tournaments, despite the increase in everything this year. Not meaning to sound cold or harse, but some of your options might be: 1) stack your team, 2) take your business elsewhere, or 3) disband and start over. I have done it all, and happy to pay the lower fees.

Just my opinions and hope your team has a fun season, despite all of this.

Andy Smith
55 Major
Jan. 12, 2012
113 posts
duke watching someone play in one tourney doesnt mean anything.softball is a game of know very well how it is to feel wronged.they should persue their problem til they get an answer.

e4/e6 this problem could have been solved by telling them why they were being moved up in the first place.ssusa is dropping the ball by the way this is playing out.its like going to the doctors office they will see you when they are ready,their time is more important then your time.

dillon it is ridiculous to think that you would come in 2nd and get moved up and 1st place doesn't and you dont get an explanation.i feel your hard is an

ssusa you run great tournies and are a great organization.what is happening here?
Jan. 12, 2012
Men's 65
839 posts
jrhunch, You are correct, that they deserve a reply. After being bumped up a few times and being the manager and/or coach for my teams, SSUSA always sends either a letter, an email, and/or a call to the manager. Just because SSUSA did not reply here on the message board, does not mean they did not get a reply. Somebody on that team received a reply. I do not think, but could be wrong, that Fangrabbers is disputing their rating, but more that Norcal Reds wasn't moved up as well. A discussion over the phone would be adequate to discuss that issue. BTW, the 2 games that I watched them play, I was eating lunch 30-40 feet past the OF fence, and I had to move, because the balls were flying out quite often and hit the table that I was sitting at. I will say that you are correct, that 1-2 games does not determine what a team's rating should be.

Andy Smith,
55 Major
Jan. 13, 2012
Men's 55
255 posts

SSUSA is breaking their OWN rules bye moving this team up...I guess they can do that since they make
I thought the rules state, a team has to play in at least 3 touraments before being evaluated..Are they basing this move up bye total HR's hit ?... Teams now will be evaluated bye HR totals, since HR's are now walks! you hit a lot of hr's and get moved up? However, I'm sure they contacted the FB manager.
Jan. 13, 2012
Men's 50
2609 posts
So home runs now appear to be the sole measuring stick of a team? If so, kind of sad.
Jan. 14, 2012
Men's 50
891 posts
Dillon1, Get in touch with Dave or Fran, you won't get a response from anyone else.
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