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Discussion: Western NATIONALS or qualifier format???

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July 26, 2012
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Western NATIONALS or qualifier format???
This is the second time I tried to post this:

Maybe I am missing something....but with a tournament as prestigious as the Western Nationals and the chance to play in the National Championship game I have a concern about the 55/60 formatt.

It is a real possibility that the two 55 Major teams may not play each other -- not even in pool play! I would think for the chance to represent the Western United States in their age bracket and classification they should set them up for a best of (three??) series. (I guess you could also say there is a chance for some of the top 60's teams to be eliminated by the 55's.) However you may want to "call the odds" of this happening, when you have two teams in the 55's and three teams in the 60's, why not have them play each other in their age group in a "best of series" to see who gets to represent the West and play in the National Championship game?

I know SSUSA has the position on getting more money with a five game format. And some might be worried that the third game could become meaningless -- but from my standpoint it is no more meaningless than playing for the third loss in the loser's bracket. (Which sometimes creates weird bracketing for teams who didn't lose their first games)
July 26, 2012
Men's 55
394 posts
Top finishing 55-Major AND 60-Major+ teams receive USA National Championship game berths
in Las Vegas, 1st Place Awards and 2013 TOC bid.
Aug. 6, 2012
27 posts
It is a real shame that what I wrote before the Western Nationals started actually came true!! ("real possiblity")

How can you have a true Western National Champion in the 55 Major group when they did not even play each other once?!?! Not even in pool play. They could have if it was set up right. SSUSA needs to rethink using their "qualifier" formatt when there is a tournament like the Western Nationals.
Aug. 6, 2012
Men's 50
2609 posts
How can you have a true Western "National" Champion when the West is not a nation?

There were only two teams in 55 Major? That is how it is sounding?
Aug. 6, 2012
97 posts
Got home late last night from Aurora - Western Nationals. First i want to say that the fields were great, the umpires did a good job overall and the weather was hot.

Now about the format -- i'm still confused about how this tournament was set up. We Master Collision (60 Major Plus) played the two 55 Major teams 4 out of the 5 games we played, in pool play we did play KC Kids once (with our team winning). Due to seeding both of our games on Saturday (bracket play)were against two very good 55 Major teams and to the credit of our team we were able to win both which made us the only undefeated team in the combo bracket. On Sunday GSF (60 Major Plus) and KC Kids (60 Major Plus) played in the morning with KC Kids winning, they then had to play the NorCal Reds (55 Major). The Reds won that game, setting up a meaningless championship game between two teams that had already won berths in their respective National Championship game. We went all through bracket play and never played another 60 Major Plus team.

Congratulations to the NorCal Reds for getting the 55 Major berth.

We can't do anything about the tournament now. I would suggest that next year if the same number of teams show up you (SSUSA) set up small individual bracket play with the different age divisions.

It was great seeing everyone again and to my friends on GSF i'm disappointed we did not get to play you in the tournament.

To my team Master Collision -- GREAT job.

John Giesler
Master Collision
Aug. 6, 2012
Men's 60
70 posts
John congratulations to Master Collision and the NorCal Reds for winning their class division in Aurora, Co. Both teams played very well and deserve the tournament championships. However this was not handled well and if I was the Kansas City Kids who played extremely well and deserved the opportunity to play Master Collision in the championship game for 60 Major Plus division I would be upset.
know we at GSF were very disappointed in not getting to play the very good Master Collision team.
Beautiful park, good umpiring, great competition and very enjoyable weekend with the exception of not being able to play all the other teams in our age brackets.
This format needs to be examined and corrected.

Steven Imlay
Aug. 6, 2012
Men's 50
2609 posts
From what I can tell the individual brackets for many, if not all, ages and division were extremely small, even by senior softball standards. How was it not scheduled to play the all the teams in your own bracket?

Call me harsh, but that is absurd. How much did it cost many of you for this kind of scheduling?
Aug. 6, 2012
Men's 65
2238 posts
John-also Congratulations to you too. We were hoping to get a chance to play you, though. I agree with your assessment-we should have been playing each other, but it was sure great weather-82 Saturday under perfect skies, and around 90 the other days. The 320 fences were nice, too.
I think when other teams hear how nice the 12 field complex was and how great the weather is, more teams will come and this will grow into a top event as well as a vacation type trip. Denver is quite a nice city with lots to do, with the backdrop of the Rocky Mountains that still had a little snow left on them.
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