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| Aug. 14, 2012 Conman Men's 50 72 posts | Ambush Review Let me open by saying I am a teammate of Alan (Tri 18) on Team 1 Sports. I was able to swing both the 27 balanced and 28 end load Ambush this past weekend. I have to say I was very impressed with the size of the sweet spot. I hit a couple off the handle and the ball carried very well and out of the park. When hitting the ball on the barrel, the ball just jumped. Bat durabilty is a MAJOR issue with me. For some reason I break senior bats easily. For this reason, I never use them in BP. Lately I am lucky if I get 3 or 4 tournaments out of them. Well the Ambush bats held up and the distance was as every bit as good as the Reebok and Miken. We, as a team hit them in BP all weekend and hit them in 6 games. There has to be over 500 hits on each of them. The bats still look brand new. Finally, this is the bat I believe is going to last and not sacrifice any distance. Conman |
| Aug. 14, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | I did a complete review and sent it to Allen. A very simplified review recommending the bat on here in another thread. Allan is welcome to share it, but I doubt many on here care about all that I incorporated from opening the box to end. I have only hit the Reebok (28) a few times, not my weight and was ok. I am avid grey Combat and Miken user**. This Ambush I have (26ba) is as good or better. Time will tell on the durability. Break in was close to that Allan suggested in his thread also. There were no fences where I did it. ** until now, now it's a Combat Ambush. |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | I hit my 26fl model today n was impress with the outta wrapper performance. I only took 35 swings due to my Tee breakn! However, @30 swings I could hear sound change....cant wait to get more cuts on it...Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 15, 2012 miken44 90 posts | i have had my 28 oz fl for a week straight out of wrapper the bat was hot after putting 75 swings on it the sound does change and the ball jumps off like a gun shot had a game on tuesday let couple of guys take a few swings they will be placing a order |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | "I was very impressed with the size of the sweet spot. I hit a couple off the handle and the ball carried very well and out of the park" The pitches are with a BIG ball moving VERY SLOWLY! If you mishit a ball you don't deserve a home run! My gosh, can we have even a tiny bit of pride? |
| Aug. 15, 2012 SLOBALL1 Men's 50 174 posts | What I can't understand is why we keep "pushing the limits" When is enough,enough? Is "more" really better ? Why is every bat judged on Homerun distance? |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Beasley Men's 50 173 posts | @Sloball1 - As long as there's competition then the limits will get pushed and participants will want to use the best equipment available. I guess it's just the nature of a competitive person. And you're right, everyone seems to be concerned about how far the ball will go. Maybe they expect a person to draw a conclusion that if the ball goes far, then it will also get through the infield much quicker for those are base hitters. And I have to say, it was almost nice to view the board before Mr. Negativity returned. Someone really needs to see a doctor and take care of their depression. |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | SLO, it all seems to be about insecure old guys with fragile egos who get off on what they can do with someone else's R&D and technology. And then let's make some more silly rules to accommodate all this nonsense. Played with my son this year, using ASA bats. No home run limits, not one issue with hitting the middle, no pitcher's boxes, no pitchers looking like hockey goalies. Very refreshing. |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Beasley Men's 50 173 posts | Yep, it's just us old guys.... The young guys don't have homerun rules, they don't whine when the ball is hit up the middle (never heard the line "the middle's open now"), they definately don't run out and buy a bat that they've seen someone using, and none of the bat manufactuers are developing new technology for the young guys to hit with. Not to mention that the young guys don't shave their bats so that they have a competitive edge and reach the fence. Nope, none of that goes on with the young guys. They make their own bats, every single one of them. They're not hitting with someone elses R&D. Nope, they're all engineers. It's just us insecure old guys that do that. |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Well Gary19 continue to play ASA if you enjoyed it! I got this bat because of my free choice to do so....nothing about my ego! I enjoyed swingn the Ambush n thank all involved with the process of creating it. For those interested, I will be updating my experiences with the Ambush, mahalo again Al...Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Gary33 149 posts | Venom being spewed on this page again. |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Fabe, understood. I never said you aren't free to do it, or that you are breaking any rules. Just explaining to SLOBALL why this obsession with the liveliest bats with the largest sweet spots seems to exist. Beasley, to a degree fair enough. Yes, it does go on, but fortunately not where I was this summer and it was nice to play the game much closer to what it was when I started playing. But it is still very strange that the oldest, slowest group still playing keeps, as SLO put it, "pushing the limits". 33, great "contribution", as always....:( |
| Aug. 15, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Approx. 85 hits some webbing n the last 20 hits was in Al's words rocketing off my new Tee! Sweet spot is great but really enjoy the swing feel...if the Ambush gets any better my OG UII will be my backup bat! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 15, 2012 stig1 Men's 60 32 posts | Ever since the game of softball/baseball was invented players were always looking for a better bat, better glove, better ball. That's the way it will always be. It's the American way to make something better and thats what the producers of sports equipment do. Change happens and there is nothing you can do about it. We have never gone backwards when it comes to bats from wood to metal to composite. I have played in seven senior tournaments and have not heard anyone complain abouts the senior bats and in America majority rules. |
| Aug. 15, 2012 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | Stig1, very good. I play in a day league that is 1990's. Last evening I went back to a night league where players 15+ years younger than me make up the league. Wow, what fun, and we got to use the Composit bats verses the alum bats. Fast guys with guns. Gets the ol engine wound up to a high rpm. Thanks for whoever does the R&D to give us bats that keep up with the wimpie balls. What fun. C |
| Aug. 15, 2012 garyheifner 649 posts | Once again the uninformed-non-tournament players are spouting off. The senior bats do not equal automatic Hrs. The vast majority of senior players can't even hit the warning track. The HR discussions are for the elite power hitters of which there are only 2 or 3 on any given team. I have a goodly number of friends who play at different levels will say they rarely use up their allotted # of Hrs. My team is really fast in the outfield and they are really good at running down 290 foot fly balls by guys who think a senior bat means an Hr. We hope our opponents keep blasting away fooled by the notion anyone can hit one. |
| Aug. 16, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | The bats do MUCH more than just enable homers, obviously. Balls get through the infield, and sometimes the infielders, much more quickly. Which benefits ALL hitters. And the enormous sweet spots allow mishits to still be struck effectively, which benefits ALL hitters. |
| Aug. 16, 2012 southernson 280 posts | It was good playing you guys in Jax Alan, meant to stop by and get a bat. Please email me at HLLAMF@gmail.com with an address or info on how to purchase a 27 balanced. Thanks, Rick Florida Classics |
| Aug. 16, 2012 doker Men's 60 185 posts | where is this new bat?...it's not even on the combat site??/we were at the westerns 2 wks ago and noone mentioned it there???...by the way hello Dave see ya at the toc in feb if u go....doak |
| Aug. 16, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Maybe I don't understand patents and/or copyrights, but I Googled Ambush softball bats and sites came up for Rawlings Ambush bats. Many were for fast-pitch, but still I am surprised that another company could use the same name for a very similar product. |
| Aug. 16, 2012 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | You can use any name you want as long as there is no complaint filed. The inference here is the name Combat Ambush is a limited edition model that is NOT new technology, but current patents marketed in a different manner. The patents listed on the model have been in use at least since 2007. Trademarks refers to the names used referencing a particular product. Same rules apply, you can use any name you want, unless deemed inappropriate by the USPTO attorney or a challenge is filed (wrong term) but you get my drift. I have no knowledge of this bat or its capabilities. My philosophy is, if you find a bat you like, then stay with it. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Made the change to my current bat 2 years ago and see no reason to swing anything else. |
| Aug. 16, 2012 jfsully 82 posts | Stig1 : "We have never gone backwards when it comes to bats from wood to metal to composite." Ever hear of titanium or even original miken ultra? All banned and we went "backwards" There have been limits placed and "technology" is NOT allowed to run rampant for a myriad of reasons. (safety being one) There are limits such as b.p.f 1.21 etc.If two legal bats perform at maximum legally measured performance standards and are both "perfectly hit" at same speed and deflection, How can one outperform? You can theoretically increase the sweet spot and durability but how do you increase distance (bat/ballspeed) above whats legally allowed? Shaving is a technology as well, are you insinuating that should be allowed? For as much as gary19 gets slammed (and mostly deserves it), IMO he's right about this one...the bats are about ego. As the ravages of age take hold, it's not as effective to workout to gain strength and distance (or bat/ballspeed). We resort to technology to compensate for our diminishing skills. Ego is why we use "hot" bats and why "cheater bats" (shaved, heated etc) are becoming more prevalent. (PS: I'm not insinuating the ambush is a cheater bat.) |
| Aug. 16, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Well at 56 I am 5'6" n 192 lbs. with 10% bodyfat! I am older, but still train 5 days a week n still surf winter waves on the North Shore! So to say ego as a total conclusion statement you are wrong...IMO. If there is new product why not try it? Others surely will....n having fun is the name of the game not just hitting homers! I still play outfield n enjoy robbing someone of a hit jus as much as crushing a ball! The Ambush just out performed my OG UII today!! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 16, 2012 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | jfsully --- are you an alterEGO of gary19 ????? If you are a Senior you have an ego if you are playing Senior Softball. Growup, there is nothing wrong with an EGO. Most of us want to live to 90+ Nothing like g19 that just wilts away. I have known hundreds of Senior Softball players and nearly all are great people that have a great time and give it all. I will not get an ambush, my Centenarian will still clear the 300 mark. Now my alum double wall will only get 299.5',but that is OK. If we still had the 47/525 the ol double wall Demarnie Classic would still go yard. C |
| Aug. 16, 2012 jfsully 82 posts | Fabe wasn't trying to insult. Just was asking; would we still play the game with wood bats or that stinking yellow aluminum bat from the early 70's or Steeles or Bombats? How about Dudley ltd flight "blue dots" or those old "hot dots". Do we play the game for itself or something else. crusher: ego is fine, trying to regain youth and deluding ourselves on our agelessness is silly. To respond in kind to your undeserved "grow up" statement ... GFY. I do agree with this: "I have known hundreds of Senior Softball players and nearly all are great people that have a great time and give it all." BTW: I'm 6'1" 195, played slow pitch for 38 years and know that I'm no where near the athlete I was years ago. That being said, I can still hit home runs with an Easton Stealth Speed (ASA)on 300-310 fence with 44/375 balls in 95 degree heat and humidity. (Hell, because of these bats, the ball goes further now than when I was in my 30's.) Senior Mikens, Combats etc just make the ball come off quicker and go further. To me, the game is the key, whether Senior bats, wood or wiffle ball. For me, it's about competition and the sport itself. I'll try my hardest and play until I drop. (Sorry if that attitude offends.) |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Fabe, you being what appears to be an exception does not disprove what also appears to be the rule. "Growup, there is nothing wrong with an EGO." In proper context, no. But there is even less wrong with PRIDE. To stroke yourself over being able to do what many weren't in their 20s and 30s, due to SOMEONE ELSE'S technology, is fool's ego. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Can't understand why you guys detest technology. I check my e-mail on my phone while my car parks itself. Does that make less of a man? If the majority of seniors, at senior tournaments, use senior bats, are they less manly than the minority? If so, as has been said before, those in the minority should go elsewhere to play. They are not ready for senior tournaments, where the majority is happy with the status qua. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | salio, techonology can be fine, though I find gadgets a bit annoying. What I detest is the bastardization of the game that the technology has caused. And yea, using the senior bats that NO one under 50 is allowed to use is a bit less manly. Not many other ways to look at it. Yea, I know I use one in Senior ball too, and my kids are the first to tell me how ridiculous I am for it. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Beasley Men's 50 173 posts | Here's a news flash - the game, as we knew it back in the 70s and 80s will NEVER be the same. It's not coming back, not even in younger softball. People didn't like watching Steele's, Rich's Superior, Bell Corp, Howards, Smyth Soxs or any other team play 3 hour marathon games so they changed the game. They created B, C, D and even E divisions so everyone had some place to play. The all mighty buck! The created homerun rules in the lower divisions because an "A" player didn't like to play against his equals, so he dropped down and became the big fish in a little pond. Shame on him! Teams didn't want to work at getting better so they could compete so the created homerun rules in the Super Open division to bring the best down to their level. Now they want to do the same here by talking about breaking up the Mavericks or any other team in the Major+ division so that they can think they can compete. As much as I'd like to see the days of unlimited homeruns come back, it's not going to happen. You might find a tournament here and a tournament there that will let you open it up, but for the most part those days are a distant memory. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Beasley.........Tim Millette likes being the big fish in the little pond. Fortunately, he doesn't run SSUSA. Terry Hennessy would never break up other M+ teams just to allow Tim's team to dominate. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Beasley Men's 50 173 posts | Then I guess it's a good thing that we have Terry Hennessy. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Gary19' I've always posted with a positive attitude, willing to share n to learn. You tell me to "grow up" because of the lifestyle I choose to live? Do a self check on your reputation on this board. I am bless to live where I live n how I live!! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Fabe, "Grow up" was a quote from crusher's post, NOT my line. I thought my use of quotation marks made that pretty clear, but I guess not....:( You can save the apology for the "self check" comment. And my reputation comes from being willing to say truths that few want to look in the mirror and admit. But I am comfortable with that. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Oh, and that paragraph where I quoted him was really directed toward him, though I can see where you might not have picked up on that since the previous paragraph was to you. I should have made that clearer. |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Mahalo, for clearing that up Gary19...thought sharing is healthy n can be positive if communicaton lines are clear! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 17, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | I hear ya........:) |
| Aug. 18, 2012 AZTOMC Men's 55 139 posts | Are the Ambush bats SSUSA certified and approved? |
| Aug. 18, 2012 bkb555 301 posts | nothing wrong with wanting to take advantage of technology...we use improved drivers and irons in golf, better bowling balls, better hockey stick and every other sport allows these advances...sure, it seems like every bat that comes along is the latest greatest bat ever made but that is marketing and just trying to squeeze a extra something out of our aging bodies...sometimes just a change of equipment gives us the mental boost to try harder or just keep playing...i know some day my melee will not seem to hit "like it used to" and I will move on to the next best thing but until that day comes, why not embrace technology and feel like a 20 something immortal that we thought we were.....we have no problem with new cars coming out every year, they all drive to where we have to go but maybe just maybe, this car will get us there a little bit better,,,THAT is what new bats are all about....just roll with the changes...i finally did and love it |
| Aug. 18, 2012 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | I was told today at the Southern Nationals that the Ambush is not approved for SSUSA play. I was also told by some players that in some games they were still being used. |
| Aug. 18, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | The Ambush has the USA Senior 1.21 stamp. I got 155 hits on mine slight webbing n hitting Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 18, 2012 JamesLG 420 posts | Took my first 50 swings with a 28oz balanced today. A little stiff the first 20 or so easy swings but then you could feel the bat coming to life. I did not hit any 100% but the balls hit at 75% were ropes. My game bat of choice has been a U2 for years but now i have a hot Reebok and this Ambush to chose from. If I were to judge these three bats after 50 breakin swings the Ambush would be #1. It may be just be but it feels like it is easy to generate more bat speed with the Ambush. I would like to hear if anybody else had the same feel from these bats. They are all good bats do now we have more quality choices. Thank You: James |
| Aug. 18, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | BruceinGa, with all the hoopla about this new wonder-bat, it would be ironic if it were not an approved bat in SSUSA. If those touting is power are right, I can easily see that it exceeds standards and may be the new "original Miken" Time will tell. I'll wait for more information before rushing out to order one. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Guys this bat has been tested...reason the stamp is on it! It is not a super bat, just big sweet spot, smooth swing feel n great action! Ambush is just fun to swing...about 200 swings on mine and hittn well with no issues. Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 19, 2012 jfsully 82 posts | alan : Shouldn't you clarify "for all SSUSA play" many senior leagues do NOT use 1.21 BPF bats or SSUSA rules. I also thought ASA tests bats after advanced break-in to get their maximum number and your bat was tested another way (before break-in). Is it possible your bat would fail compression tests after "opening-up? Again, just trying to clarify. bkb55: you said "we use improved drivers and irons in golf, better bowling balls, better hockey stick and every other sport allows these advances." Every instance you mentioned has put in regulations to limit technology.They have not allowed the advance of technology to go unchecked because it changes the game too much. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | There is no 1 miracle bat that will be the "best" bat for everyone. In the simplest terms, some prefer balanced over end loaded and some the opposite. If you are tall you create a different swing arc than a shorter player and both may prefer a different balance point or MOI. The ultimate paradox is that the bat that for your creates the fastest ball speed off the bat may not be the bat which makes you the best hitter you can be. I am not knocking the Ambush, it may be a superb bat, but it will not change the game and it is not an example of technology bastardizing the game. The standards have not changed and the testing hasn't changed. The Ambush may be the best bat for some people, but it is not the best bat for everyone. Like everything try it if you can and follow the reports on durability. Time will tell. The Reeboks are great, but I see some Reebok users going back to their old senior bats and some who are convinced they are the "best". So lets remain objective and try to just forget the hype and try to determine the facts about each new miracle bat. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Where is this word "miracle" coming from? My posts have been objective n simple. I never was a true Miken fan...just thought their product was the best until now! This bat is just fun to swing! Also I am swinging @ sea level wih tropical humidty n it still fun! Mahalo Al for all the energy it took. Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Fabe, you might not have said it, but let's face it. A lot of guys are buying any and every thing that comes on the market in the hopes of, oh I don't know, I guess doing even more in their 50s and 60s than they were able to do with the own abilities in their 20s and 30s. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Gary, You finally got something right... " oh I don't know'... :>) But I'd bet its more like an 'equalizer' as it were for age and abilities back then to where they are now physically and their age. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | Bats have stayed equal since the early 70's. The change has been the softball itself. 1st Prior to early 70's I did NOT hit ball out of a 300 or 330 foot park with a wood bat. THEN Alum bats with thick walls at 38oz came out, I started hitting balls out of park. Then 26oz to 30oz alum came out that were HOT, Hit balls out of park with these. So they dumbed down the ball. Then composits came out, hit balls out with composit, and what is going on, they are dumbing the ball down more. Therefore bats have stayed on a level with the lower performance ball since the early 70's. Now old people that fuss about the "game the way it was" must have played with rolledup socks and sticks directly off trees. or Slats. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Got u Gary19...just wanted to let everyone know this is just fun for me to swing! Not calling it the answer to all! Most guys who crush can do it with a toothpick!! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Scott, the 'equalizer' is that defensive players have gotten much slower and with lesser arm strength than they did back then. That should be all that is needed. "Bats have stayed equal since the early 70's." crusher, tell us you did not say that. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 AZTOMC Men's 55 139 posts | I didn't mean to start a war just wanted to make sure the bat was legally good to go before anyone spends there hard earned money on a new product. I remember this being an issue at Phoenix Worlds when the Reeboks came out. I was hoping the SSUSA hiearchy would chime in and make us all feel warm and fuzzy about this new bat. :) |
| Aug. 19, 2012 jfsully 82 posts | Crusher : Nobody said go back to the "good ole days". We did say technology deformed the game somewhat. It is also interesting in your chronology you missed : Double Wall bats Titanium - Outlawed for too much technology Miken Ultra - Outlawed for too much technology I'm sure if you asked bat engineers, they could easily make bats perform plus 20-40% BUT there have been restrictions placed on the "technology" The FACT that by shaving bats (a technology) makes a ball 10-20% further is why you are seeing "cheater" bats in the Senior game. Its also why bat compression testers need to be accurate and used even at league level. How many TX sized egos can take losing 10,20 even 60 feet from their blasts because of the effects of age. Hell if they use a little technology (even if outside the rules), they'll get it back. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | crusher, I have had the opposite experience to yours. With a wood bat, for 25 years, I never hit a home run. Shucks, I seldom hit a double. When I was older and weaker with slower bat speed, the aluminum came along. Still no long ball for me, although the balls were indeed hot. I was the same #2 or 8, 9 hitter. Balls got dumbed down, according to you, I got older, weaker, and about the same bat speed because I was using a lighter double wall, and I still hit about the same. No one backed up when I came to bat. Then, you say, balls were dumbed down yet again. Age continued to take its toll on me. And I bought a composite. Suddenly, I'm a long ball hitter. Hit my first home run when I was in my 60s. Batted cleanup for a season. Hit two over the fence in the same game. So, an older, slower, weaker pipsqueak, with a ball that has been dumbed down twice, now hits home runs with his Ultra II. How do you explain that? My explanation is that composites are radically hotter than ALL earlier bats. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 stick8 1991 posts | Crusher, I have to respectively disagree with your view that bats have remained equal over the years. Personally I happened to believe the root of the off the shelf hot bats was in the mid-late 1990's when Ray DeMarini came out with the original Demarini Double Wall. I vividly remember swinging one of those and going right out to buy one. I literally could not believe how the ball came off that bat. Todays bats, especially senior bats, are so much better that it's silly. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | stick, crusher's comment was about the silliest I have ever read on here. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Pricer Men's 50 621 posts | Folks, Everyone wants to use the technology card when this conversation arises. IT DOES NOT APPLY HERE! to use the statements "nothing wrong with wanting to take advantage of technology...we use improved drivers and irons in golf, better bowling balls, better hockey stick and every other sport allows these advances..." or "Can't understand why you guys detest technology. I check my e-mail on my phone while my car parks itself. Does that make less of a man?" All of these new technologies are not created with the thought that developing this could hurt or kill someone. Please don't take my comments as an invitation for an all out debate, but please use common sense when trying to make a comparision. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | One of the best pieces of advice I ever received was from a co-worker 30 years ago. Common sense is not always common. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 garyheifner 649 posts | Crusher I agree with you. I have an aluminum TPS I used to crush the ball with. Can't hit the 375/44 ball over 200' in batting practice when using it. I pitched U-Trip in the 70s and 80s and a little in the early 90s before composites. Ball was a blur up the middle. Guys would hit Hrs into the 2nd & 3rd rowsa of the parking lots. Senior Softball has put a lid on the technology and the ball used. The only new thing is increasing durability. The game is set, bats and balls won't get any better-deal with it. I thought this was a site to exchange ideas and thoughts without being insulted, called silly or stupid. Common sense is an interesting topic. Some may want to go back and review their body of comments and see if ever common sense came to the forefront. |
| Aug. 19, 2012 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | My comment earlier about bats and softballs was written as it happened, it covered years from the early 70's to today. Someone talked about the Demarini Double Wall. I had a 97 model in 26oz. Ray Demarini said this was the best bat he ever built. Yes it was... With the balls then you could pick a pitch in your zone and hit it out. Then, they banned the bat for a while. What 2 or 3 of you can not understand is the overall balance between the bat and ball has stayed balanced over these 40 years. The ball has been adjusted down to match the composits. The bat statement was always tied to the ball. |
| Aug. 20, 2012 leftyfalcon Men's 65 158 posts | They let the guys that had the new ambush swing it. It had the SSUSA logo and 1.21 on the ambush so lets play ball. I didn't get to see anyone swing the ambush. |
| Aug. 20, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | crusher, still don't see how it could be that the bat/ball balance has stayed the same over 40 years, when I am now a long ball hitter with the composite and the supposed dead balls. And of course, I am not alone. A lot of my fellow players in the older divisions are now hitting the ball farther with their composites than they ever did in earlier decades, and certainly they are ALL hitting farther than they did with the double walls in the 90s—and this with a dumbed down ball! It also doesn't explain why builders of new parks see a need to expand dimensions by 10-20%. This is far more costly (land, turf, fencing, maintenance, etc.) but it is done to accommodate the longer hits on average from double walls and composites. If your theory were correct, there would be no need to expand park size—balls are not going any farther on average than they were 40 years ago. |
| Aug. 20, 2012 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | Omar, I can only guess that you did not played much softball in the 90's. I played on a team with guys from 20 to 40 years old and they hit balls much farther than any of these old men do with the current composits. Nobody special was on the team. Most bats in 94 (may be all) were single wall bats. And it could be that all the old guys that are banging the ball out of the park for record distance using composit bats all play on the east coast or west coast and I just do not see them. |
| Aug. 21, 2012 surf88 Men's 65 1000 posts | Alan, thank you for shipping an Ambush to my friend yesterday. I appreciate it. Was good to talk with you. Ed |
| Aug. 21, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Omar, I do not think it stayed the same either, but rather evolved like most other things we take for granted as it were, like cars\pu's. Parks also evolved with it because of it as you say. Lodi, Stockton still have the old 260 ish fences and we use them today but they are easy marks for most all players. some are even shorter out there. One assn uses the park here; at 252 to rt and 292 to left. 279 in middle for senior tournaments. Not the best place to hold one that's for sure. Suitable for league. But making money off it's use. I think its all relative to the changes we see with everything these days. But doubt too that you couldn't get a majority of seniors to go back to those balls & bats permanently. Consider why the younger and some older ones juice the bats, ie shave, reload, alter by rolling, etc. All looking for an edge, a better, hotter bat. That is one by product I was hoping to see in the fantom bat, the Core, to keep that from happening. |
| Aug. 21, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | taits, you are absolutely right about the older parks at Lodi, Stockton, Ripon, etc. They were perfectly adequate when built in the 60s and 70s, when only the true sluggers could hit one out. They were still adequate in the 80s, even with the hot balls that had developed by then. But now, every team (and I mean even AA and AAA) has a guy or two that can pop one out on the short fields. In fact, on your Bears team you can hit it out with ease, so can Big Mac, and so can Russ at 265. I've done it myself at those old parks, and I'm an old pipsqueak. Conclusion: the bats are far, far hotter than in the past, and even a "dumbed down" softball can't compensate for the composite bat. crusher must have played with some real studs. I saw some games at the Redwood City tournament and some of the 50s teams were taking turns hitting 375, 400, even 425 foot shots on an open field. These guys are in their 50s! Imagine what they could do with the composites in their 20s—450? 475? I heard that Boomer in his early 60s hit one 500+ feet on the same field. I agree that it's possible that there is no longer a majority who would return to a more balanced game (defense, base hitting, running, strategy). Many of the older guys who loved that game have dropped out over the years and left the game to the guys who live for the long ball. That's why I worry about the future of senior softball. I saw progressively easy conditions ruin the sport of bowling and don't want to see it happen to another sport I love. |
| Aug. 21, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Update: 200 hits on my Ambush, slight webbing no other issues. This bat is fun, fun, fun n is my new gamer.....Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 22, 2012 miken44 90 posts | guys just started playing senior ball 4 years ago iam 56 have swung miken balanced and end load also demarini one i like my ultra 2 very much but it does not compare to the ambush straight out of the wrapper or after 125 swings it is simply the hottest bat that has been produced for senior ball aguy on my team just got his and after 30 nice swings i hit 8 out of 10 340 feet 44/325 the rock ball |
| Aug. 22, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | "it is simply the hottest bat that has been produced for senior ball" Great that the bat is working so well, but this mentality and technology is what is hurting the game. Aren't most fields 300'? What does anyone need the extra 35' for? All is does it result in whacky rules and goalie equipment. |
| Aug. 22, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | Gary, I got news for you... the 44 375 ball they have been using is a perfect combo... when it gets hot over 90 degrees it stays hard enough to go out.. and when it's cold it flys... Omar decribed 400 foot shoots in Redwood City... That would of been my team and we probably hit some balls around 360ft range but nothing in the 400 foot range, but still impressive shots! Something we did in our 30s with metal bats and better balls! FYI |
| Aug. 22, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | swing, how many of your guys in their 50s would be doing it now with the bats and balls from your 30s? How many others do you think would? |
| Aug. 22, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Gary19, above tread was just a personal opinion... I say fits my swing feel n is just fun to use! Plus the customer service is outstanding with Al...I will be swingn my Ambush @ the Vegas Worlds. Will you be competing? Just wondering maybe we can talk story....Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 22, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | swing, didn't get to watch as many games as I would have liked in Redwood City, so I don't know if I saw any of your games. The sidewalk in left field is about 410 and the fence in right field is 400. Deep center is about 440, and I heard the TD had to warn the guys that any ball hit onto the tennis courts beyond center field (around 500) would be an out. When I was watching 1 1/2 games, I saw two guys who hit the ball to left, one bouncing on the sidewalk at 410 and the other about 30 feet beyond, which would be 440. That's a long way from 360, but yes, I saw several shots that were in that 360-370 range, most of them caught by very superior outfielders! |
| Aug. 23, 2012 MrBill29 Men's 70 42 posts | Hi all Understand Ambush has been BANNED by SSUSA As per Terry hennensey director Heard it is a repainted combat?..... |
| Aug. 23, 2012 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | MrBill........You heard this from the mouth of Terry Hennessy? Which model did Terry tell you that they repainted? |
| Aug. 23, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Salio2k, This should be an interesting reply from him, since Combat is a brand and not a model. Could be one of about a thousand. |
| Aug. 23, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | Omar, that field is about 335 all the way around no different dimension. and the building is about 345 feet FYI in left... the numbers you are using is way off.. |
| Aug. 23, 2012 RoyHobbs 20 posts | I recently used the Ambush in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida with other Florida players including Alan Tanner. All players involved were high level players that can hit for both average and distance. Firstly, I believe the Ambush has the biggest sweet spot of all senior sofball bats. Everyone who utilized the Ambush consistently hit one ball after another over the the PGA National 300 foot fence in weather conditions that exceeded 90 degrees without any difficulties whatsoever. I believe I mishit one ball off the knob of the bat that traveled 310 feet. Only kidding!!! Secondly, the distance the balls were traveling were ridiculous. I believe I became at least one foot taller and 25 ponds of muscle stronger just by holding the Ambush : ) Finally, I personally thought the Reebok was the best bat out there. However, once I purchased my Ambush, I quickly realized that I now own the best bat out there and the absolute best bat that money can buy. |
| Aug. 23, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Why do these negative post occur without any substance? We are attemptn to share info on a new product in responsible manner! The Ambush is a fun bat and my new gamer! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 23, 2012 olie04 Men's 50 48 posts | I recently purchased the Ambush. I have followed the break in recommended by Alan Tanner. So far the bat has not proved to be anything different than what I have experienced with a Centinarian. I swing a Miken ultra 2 end load normally. So far hitting off a tee, the Miken and the Ambush give me two totally different results. I have around 220 swings on the Ambush and about 350 on the Miken. The Miken out distances and handles miss hits markedly better than the Ambush.I will continue to compare the two side by side with the hope that I notice the significant difference in distance and sweet spot that so many others have experienced. There are no cracks ,fractures or any noticible marks on the Ambush at this point. Olie, Team Demolition |
| Aug. 23, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | swing, I was curious as to how far the dimensions were so I measured them—400 feet. |
| Aug. 23, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | 400 feet to the pathway? |
| Aug. 23, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | Omar I measured it on Google earth... center in 367ft left field line is 335ft building in left and the trees we were hitting into were about 350 ish.. FYI |
| Aug. 23, 2012 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | olie04, which U2 and which Ambush are you swinging? w/o this info your post is not helpful. |
| Aug. 23, 2012 olie04 Men's 50 48 posts | HJ, The Ambush is a 27 oz end load. The Miken Ultra two is the same. I hope this is what you need for my post to be helpful. |
| Aug. 23, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | As I said this Ambush is not a miracle bat, just fits my swing n I have been having fun with great performance....once again mahalo brada AL for the hook up. Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 23, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | The ambush does looks exactly like my last black combat except repainted. I do like the paint job. Side by side the shape is exact. Probably is just repainted, seemed to hit good so far. If it was made different, I wonder what and how. |
| Aug. 24, 2012 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | olie 04, thank you. Fabe said the bottom line: it fits my swing. This is what i have been trying inarticulately to say. Balance point and MOI make bats different among other things and one size definitely doesn't fit all. Try to swing a bat before buying it. |
| Aug. 24, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | Tri18, My Dad taught me about B.S., the ambush may be very good but what is the difference inside. You don't have to give trade secrets, just if it is different because of material used, manufacturing process or what. No insults intended, we know hype is part of selling, especially with a limited edition model, but facts carry more weight. Bat feel is very subjective, I assure you and others if this bat seems different I will give my honest assessment, of course the bat may be sold out by then. Hit them straight |
| Aug. 24, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | I will be hittn the Ambush against my OG Gray Combat today which is smoking the ball...will share the info. Ambush has approx. 200 hits on it! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 24, 2012 jfsully 82 posts | Alan: I thought that ASA uses Advanced Break-in Techniques (rolling) before testing bats so they don't get "too hot" after break in. I don't believe the other groups (SSUSA etc) break in bats prior to testing for 1.21 BPF. Am I correct about that? If I am correct is it possible this bat, (and maybe others), would fail to meet those standards after "opening up"? |
| Aug. 24, 2012 salio2k Men's 60 547 posts | Alan...Is it true that the only difference in the Ambush is that you use 1/4 -28 nuts rather than 1/4 -20 nuts for the end load? Or did you loose your nuts altogether? |
| Aug. 24, 2012 Lefty Men's 75 721 posts | I have about 120 swings on my ambush. It's almost ready for Dalton. I like the way it swings. It doesn't out hit the other combats that I have yet but close. |
| Aug. 24, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | Tri18, Simple question. Is the ambush a repainted combat? I feel a little bad asking, but I would feel worst not asking. Just say no and its done. I have liked the bat so far but with limited comparison. As consumers we have the obligation to ask questions. I am happy just buying the bat based on the paint job, anything else is ice cream. I had already decided on buying a combat. I wish you the best. |
| Aug. 24, 2012 ? 121 posts | Question: Other than a nice paint job, what makes the Ambush different than the other Combats? |
| Aug. 24, 2012 ? 121 posts | Would I notice a difference from other model Combats in a blind swing test? |
| Aug. 24, 2012 ? 121 posts | Oops I guess I'll have to take a blind swing test and check it out! |
| Aug. 24, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | Tri18, Thank you, You hadn't actually stated it was not a repaint and the research and testing mentioned could have been interpreted as applying to a prior combat Hopefully this will be helpful to promoting the bat. Best of luck |
| Aug. 24, 2012 Gorilla Boy Men's 50 271 posts | Softball players, I can tell you that the Ambush is not a painted up Centenarian. The barrels might be close in design but if you look at the Original Grey Combat it is very close to that as well. Combat has put together another great Senior bat and is always trying to improve their product. I am posting this just so the players that have bought the bat can feel comfortable that the product they bought is a new design. Good Luck to all the players as we near the end of the season. Gorilla Boy |
| Aug. 24, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Mahalo GB...for someone like you to speak concerning the Ambush....I've been totally satisfied with mine n having fun! See you guys @ the Vegas Worlds. Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 24, 2012 ? 121 posts | Oops I guess I'll have to take a blind swing test and check it out! |
| Aug. 24, 2012 Omar Khayyam 1357 posts | I tried a blind swing test and struck out on three pitches.:) |
| Aug. 25, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | Alan, my buddy Mike is going to let me swing his Ambush on Tuesday... I am looking forward to trying it out... I have a new Demarini that I have to break in.. I will compare the two... |
| Aug. 25, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | I promised him I would only put 10 swings on it.. it hasn't been swung yet... I have to break in two Demars so I get to compare right out of the wrapper.. FYI He bought a grey combat when they first came out.. we hit that bat for years... Blue dots cold weather and that bat was hot.. it lasted over 3000 swings for sure.. it was unbelievable.. it finally broke last year! I used it in 40s winter worlds 4 years ago.. |
| Aug. 27, 2012 36 12 posts | I agree with olie04 about the Ambush 27oz. el bat. I have 325 hits on bat and bat is still solid and does not compare with other composite bats. Team has also tried bat and has had same results. Ball does not come off bat well and no pop. We are major plus team. |
| Aug. 27, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Wow not sure what u mean by "doesnt compare with other senior bats"', maybe the Ambush just performs better in the Tropics! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 27, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | Well, I will hit one Tomorrow and give my report good or bad! Hitting two bats out of the wrapper to compare! |
| Aug. 27, 2012 rightrj1 Men's 55 286 posts | I have About 100 swings on my Ambush 26oz EL, so far it swings a little lighter, then let’s say the White centenarian end load. If you hit on the sweet spot the ball seems to jump a little! I’ve hit a few balls on the hands and felt a slight varibation, it has not produce the distance just yet, but it took about 600 cuts to get my Black centenarian broken in. After reading everyone’s post, I guess there’s more break in time that’s needed, but for now my gamer is still the White & Black centenarian…..I will post again after this week’s round of hitting which should get the AMBUSH to around 200-250 hits..Using 44/375 balls |
| Aug. 28, 2012 olie04 Men's 50 48 posts | Second update on Ambush: Over 350 hits on my Ambush with no improvement. Very stiff feel with no noticible pop to it. I am comparing swing for swing with my Miken 27 end load. 30-50 more feet with the miken. At this point the Ambush is no different than any other middle of the road senior bat I have tried. To be continued! Olie, Team Demolition 50 Major Plus. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 Clean Up 68 posts | From what I understand from some of the above reviews, the Ambush bat is just OK? Nothing to get too excited about? |
| Aug. 28, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | Ok olie04, Have you hit the GSC bat and if you have how does it compare... |
| Aug. 28, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | Ambush evaluation. After about 100 break in swings and one tournament, about 60' temp, nothing to shout about. Some said the ambush sounded different. My cracked Melee hit about as good or better. Will inform of improvements. I still like the graphics and if the durability holds up I will be happy. I break bats often. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 leftyfalcon Men's 65 158 posts | My 27oz endloaded is game ready after about 250 swings. I used balls we use in tourney play so it took a little longer than using a better ball. Mine hits great line drives and to me it does have a back sweet spot. Now just waiting for Dalton. Joe Lefty Falcon #17 Tag 60AAA |
| Aug. 28, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | leftyfalcon, I'd like to know what a "back sweet spot" is I haven't heard of that term before...If a typo no problem. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 36 12 posts | I am up to 410 swings on my Ambush 27el and still has shown no signs of breaking in. If 99.8 of players swear by this bat I have a whole team that refuses to use it in batting practice.Best bats we use are white combat (chips0 Combat centenarian (first bats end plugs came out) reebok ultra II (one player on team broke 7 last year). Will continue to work with ambush bat to break in as currently does not compare with above mentioned bats |
| Aug. 28, 2012 swing for the fences Men's 50 1224 posts | my buddy didn't give it to me last night so I will wait until next week to hit it.. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 leftyfalcon Men's 65 158 posts | My bad on the back Taits. Should be big. Cajun typo. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | My Ambush is hitting Rockets....in the Tropics, Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 28, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | Fabe, No disrespect, but you are starting to sound like a paid pumper. You like the bat, and you live in the tropics, got it. lets encourage more reviews. I like the bat so far, but want to hear others. I'm sure there are many who would appreciate more independent opinions. Thanks for yours. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 olie04 Men's 50 48 posts | Swing, I am not aware of GSC having a bat out on the market yet. I can't wait to swing one when it comes out. I will give my honest opinion based upon actual use not hype. |
| Aug. 28, 2012 DCPete 409 posts | Bunch of us swung a brand new Ambush (plastic wrap still on bat) this week & no one seemed to like it. Stiff & lacking any more pop than an average U-trip bat. Maybe it takes awhile to break in but this one sure has a long way to go to approach U2s, Reeboks, etc. |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Capt you keep giving yours n I am just giving my opinion also...sorry you feel that way, but I respond whenever I go out n hit the Ambush! Its only gettn better...Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Here is my current measurable update: After 200 hits out performed my ASA stamped Ultra II After 225 hits out performed my OG gray Combat Sunday my big bopper on my team on his third hit drove it out approx. 350' I keep using Tropics to inform you of the humid conditions we play under, not easy to get great distance here. Hope this clear things up! Oh yea, I dont get paid, just experienced great service n performance with the Ambush! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Fabe, how are you measuring performance? To just say "out performed" really doesn't describe very much. There are MANY aspects to bat performance. |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | Gary19, better distance, but I am impressed most with the exit speed off the Tee! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Distance is but one component. Exit speed seems more meaningful. Distance has a lot of factors to it. Just wondering. How much more distance and ball speed do you need? At what point do you just continue to ruin the game to feed egos? |
| Aug. 29, 2012 CAPT D5 120 posts | Fabe Your opinion is appreciated, you were seemingly repeating something. I like hearing updates on this and other bats. This board and can be interesting and valueable evaluating different bats under different conditions. Your last posts give new info., Thanks for the effort. |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Fabe Men's 65 456 posts | My Brada I am just tryn to stay competitive! When I travel to the mainland Ive seen guys hit with unbelievable performing bats! No ego just tryn to compete with great teams! Aloha, Fabe |
| Aug. 29, 2012 BP60 2 posts | jfsully, your post Aug.16th, "cheater bats" (shaved, heated,etc.) Shaved bats, rolled bats, I agree, but heated, or warmed bats are fine in SSUSA. Check with Terry H., he says "they are part of the game". Anybody use a bat warmer? Or some kind of heater? Are they working for you? |
| Aug. 29, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | Does the warmer help with durability? |
| Aug. 29, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | A warmer bat does help, me at least. But have seen them banned from T's. Think about it this way: You should not use bats in cold weather. 2 reasons, balls get harder and bats break. You ice up after an injury for 2 days but I think you feel better taking the hot or warm shower for the days after. Try sitting your bat in the SUN during a game. |
| Aug. 29, 2012 FrankB 1 posts | Looking for TRI 18 Have question about getting an Ambush. Former team mate has one. I am tired of breaking bats. |
| Aug. 29, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Try one of these ways: 561-718-7504 Tricoach18@att.n |
| Aug. 29, 2012 jfsully 82 posts | BP60: I believe bat warmers are illegal in ASA Senior ball. Funny, in 95 degree heat in FL I see guys using them .... must be a reason and a reason behind the ASA ban. If anyone can find the reason or the test that led ASA to the decision, please link it. Thanks |
| Aug. 30, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | jfsully, Your correct on ASA, they were the ones who banned it I mentioned. Only ASA rule book i have is 6 years old but it does have listed under Rule3, Sec 7 under All Equipment a note: The characteristics of any approved equipment can not be changed. One example would be icing, cooling, or hearing equipment. So with that at 6 years old would mean bat heaters. No explanation is listed. All on page 71 for that years book, 2006. |
| Aug. 30, 2012 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | Just guessing, but I think it is like a rubber band. If cold it doesn't stretch as easily or as far. Bats have a trampoline effect and if it is warmer I think it would compress more on the contact and spring farther back on the trampoline just guessing. |
| Aug. 30, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | HJ, Good analogy. It works. |
| Aug. 30, 2012 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | HJ, Good analogy. It works. |
| Aug. 30, 2012 Gary19 Men's 50 2609 posts | So guys don't find senior bats lively enough already, and feel the need to warm them for extra effect?????? Wow...:( |
| Aug. 30, 2012 miken44 90 posts | when we were in lansing last weekend i swung my ambush the first day ball did not jump off of it like it had went back to my u2 ball came off little better but over all the ambush has out performed my ultra i would swing my ambush with a better ball what was used in lansing was a 375/ 44 but it was a dud have hit plenty with the ambush and it out performs any senior bat with a better ball |
| Aug. 30, 2012 HJ Men's 70 481 posts | There have been bat warmers on the market for a number of years. Reebok's instructions with the Melee state flat out not to use the bat below 65 degrees. A bat is more brittle and more likely to break in colder weather which is an issue where I live. Warming the bat is probably used as much to protect from breakage as it is for extra effect. Unless you are a consistent HR hitter, I seriously doubt the senior bat has much more effect than a well broken in USSSA bat. |
| Aug. 30, 2012 BP60 2 posts | jfsully, Bat warmers are illegal in ASA, they have a rule, the ball cannot come off the bat faster than 98 miles/hr.(safety reasons) lower level parks & rec., and co-ed softball. This is why they have some legal bats,and some illegal bats. What they found out was that the ball came off the bats faster than 98 mph using legal bats that were heated (I guess the bat warmers do work for better performance) Like HJ said, I think more flexibility, more spring. In 2010 to 2012, bat warmers were legal, but the start of 2012, ASA said no longer legal. Some local leagues use ASA as a basis for their league rules, but their boards say better performing bats, and bat warmers are OK, One Spokane,WA league did this. SSUSA,NSA,USSSA,and Canada Softball are all fine with using warmers. Does anyone know of other leagues that they are OK? Gary19-as long as there is competition in sports, the players will be looking for that extra edge, as long as it is legal of course. |
