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Stepping out of the front of the box?» lowprofile: I have a big stride when I swing, I have been called out for stepping ...»BallPlayer35: lowprofile, I agree with you that this rule needs to go or adjust the ... »Bruster55: I agree get rid of the out of the box rule.Maybe it can be brought up ... »B.J.: lowprofile.. if any part of your foot when making contact with the ... »lowprofile: Ballplayer35 interesting interpretation of the box intended for ... »B.J.: lowprofile.. yes as long as some part of both feet are on the line of ... »k man: While you might not be happy with the front of the batters box, find ... »stever: Rather than changing the game, why don't you adjust your approach? ... »mad dog: tell me stever.....how about we let the pitcher throw any ... »bond_171513: Part of the problem is the inconsistency with the umpires. Those of ... »Wayne 37: Actually, if you have a whole foot out of the box when making contact ... »1jonsey: so are you saying that you see batters hits a softball with 1 foot in ... »stick8: 1jonsey it’s not often but I’ve seen players hit with their front ... »1jonsey: stick8 really, wow, i've played and watched a lot of softball and ... »Wayne 37: I didn't say I've seen it in softball as I've very seldom umpired ... »lowprofile: Yo Stever, I was just inquiring about the front line as long as my ... »lowprofile: And just an FYI the one player who stepped clearly out of the ... »stick8: 1jonsey it’s definitely rare but I have seen it. And it looks ugly. ... »OZ40: Stick falls out of bed hitting! The man is a machine! Phenomenal, ... »garyheifner: ALL the batter box lines should be eliminated. Most are gone by the ... »txnighttrain: The batter's box has plenty of room. Move back if you need more room ... »Nancy Allen: Gary, this is my opinion only, but I am inclined to agree with you. ... »lowprofile: Txnighttrain, you are correct in the aspect of the box being big ... »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, I always did the plate meetings for Coachie. I won't say ... »DCPete: The total size of the batters box is pretty irrelevant since only ... |
24 | Oct. 22, 2018 | 998 |
batters box» outlaw44: As per lowprofile's comment about being called "out of the box" i ...»TimMcElroy: The batter's box is 3' wide by 7' long. »Garocket: That's 3 foot back from the middle of the plate abd 4 ft in front ... »lowprofile: Outlaw44 it does seem to be a umpires discretion weather he's going ... »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, I am pretty much not getting into the out of the box ... »Wayne 37: I think a great start would be the umpire making the batter get in ... »lowprofile: Hey Nanc, I agree with you totally that yes a rule is a rule and ... »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, yes, the rule should be enforced. That being said, if ... |
7 | Oct. 21, 2018 | 424 |
CHOPPED / TOMAHAWKED BALL» dud: Cannot find "TOMAHAWKED" in rules....what is the difference between ...»lowprofile: My interpretation of a TOMAHAWKED ball is a ball being swung at above ... »Turbobob: Here is a youtube video link of a tomahawked ... »B.J.: to get a chopped ball call it would have to be blatanly done.. I've ... »B.J.: I should have added that a batter purposely hitting the top of the ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, I have never called it or seen it called either. I have seen a ... »Garocket: You have the chopped ball more in the young mans ball. The fast ... »Rick35: I have done tomahawked the ball few times....and I have seen some ... »B.J.: Rick.. as far as the bat making a complete swing around.. I have ... »Nancy Allen: dud, you will probably never find tomahawked in any set of rules. In ... »lowprofile: Hey Nancy, I have played tourney ball my entire adult life, I'm ... »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, thanks for the discussion. No, in my 31 years of ... »OZ40: Back in the day up here in Michigan we used to call that the "Ohio ... »TXTrouble3: Here in Texas...there is quiet a bit of "chopping"...but when I chop ... »SALSAKID49: A TOMAHAWK swing is a great Power Swing, I do it as needed. STOP THE ... »lowprofile: TX sounds like your describing a slap hit to me? thinking a chopped ... »Nancy Allen: Thanks, guys, I am finding this very informative. They just do not ... »doker: Hey guys the chop swing was used all the time in the late 70's and ... »Wayne 37: I never chopped at the ball, but I would take a slow full swing and ... |
18 | Oct. 20, 2018 | 877 |
enforcing the rules» maskedman: Started watching a game on youtube.First batter walks to the plate ...»mad dog: finally...... »DaveDowell: As one of the 13 members of the National Rules Committee charged with ... |
2 | Oct. 19, 2018 | 500 |
Major players on 75 AAA» 4040club: Can a 75 AAA team have Major players on the roster ??»DaveDowell: Yes, they may have up to three (3) players who have 75-Major (or ... |
1 | Oct. 15, 2018 | 146 |
Rule: 1.27 • FORCE OUT - FORCE PLAY» B.J.: (b) If the forced runner, after touching the next base, retreats for ...»DaveDowell: It takes a pretty far-fetched hypothetical to fit, but let's try this ... »crusher: 1. Zero outs runner on 1st base 2. Batter 2 hits ground ball. ... »DaveDowell: crusher ... Please re-read B.J.'s question ... Your analysis ends ... »B.J.: lmao Thx. Dave.. I have to admit that was a good one.. and it's ... »DaveDowell: I resemble that remark on occasion, as well ... »Omar Khayyam: How about this. Runner on first. Shallow ball is hit to right field ... »B.J.: omar.. according to the rule the force out is reinstated so no tag ... »crusher: B.J. Yes l was definitely referring to the runner. Dave, sorry l ... »Wayne 37: Runners whether going to or retreating to a base must touch all bases ... »stick8: Had a similar situation in a conference usssa game a few years ... »ffdonnie: Well Dave, it happens. Witnessed it this year in a 50 and over ... |
11 | Oct. 12, 2018 | 436 |
Is this scenario a force out?» Turbobob: We are a senior slow pitch local league, self-umpiring. This ...»DaveDowell: NOT a force out, but rather a "live ball appeal" and, accordingly a ... »B.J.: turbo.. this is in the book.. below is the rule for scoring of runs ... »Turbobob: Thanks Dave and B.J. During the game when this was happening, no ... »lb16: Turbobob - not trying to be an ass, but why would you think there was ... »Nancy Allen: lb16, in his defense, there are many expressions that are misused or ... »stick8: Turbobob, since you stated the outfielder caught the fly ball the ... »Turbobob: lb16, Nancy and stick8. Not having any time to consult the rule ... »B.J.: turbo.. your comment in your last post.. you are still confused on ... »B.J.: as far as (b) I'm trying to think of a scenario where a runner that ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, exactly. I was always taught in clinics that it is called a ... »B.J.: nancy.. i never use the word force play in my clinics in this ... »Nancy Allen: Ouch, you had to add the director qualification. Well, if he got to ... »B.J.: I hope you know who the director comment was for (DD) »Nancy Allen: BJ, I agree. Our clinics only used the term timing play in regards ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, that was my guess on director. He cringes when I use the term ... »Wayne 37: In the original post. Run scores because this is a time play and the ... |
16 | Oct. 10, 2018 | 543 |
Where in the rulebook...» halfpint20: wherein the rulebook does it explain about RELEASING PLAYERS? There ...»halfpint20: Found it lol page 23, article 4.2(2) E |
1 | Oct. 6, 2018 | 149 |
Clarify rule when runners are on base» Reyes21: I understand there are no leading off after the pitch, but this past ...»Nancy Allen: Reyes21, there was a very long discussion about this a couple of ... »DieselDan: Wouldn't the defense have to make an appeal first Nancy? Then, the ... »Nancy Allen: DieselDan, no, it is the umpire's call. It is a dead ball out (pitch ... »titanhd: The rule is to prevent leading off not for safety. I would think a ... »Nancy Allen: titanhd, the orange bag at 3B is kind of a joke on my part because of ... »stick8: Besides wearing body armor there’s nothing that will protect a runner ... »Nancy Allen: stick8, you are correct as always. I have rarely even seen a runner ... »stick8: Quick story: while jumping a tourney game several years ago some big ... »Nancy Allen: See, you jogged my tired memory again. Coachie and I were at Twin ... »B.J.: as stated above the runner must have contact with the bag until the ... »lowprofile: Just a thought about this, the line drawn adjacent to the bag sounds ... »Nancy Allen: Lowprofile, as BJ said you can get hit anywhere. There is also the ... |
12 | Oct. 5, 2018 | 330 |
Ruling for runner stepping on baseman's foot instead of the base?» Turbobob: In our self umpiring local league, we had this situation. Runner ...»Wayne 37: The foot isn't part of the base. Runner out. »DaveDowell: I concur, without any need for further comment. Thanks, Wayne. »Wayne 37: The only way I would have the runner save was if the fielder was ... »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, are you sure that the runner continued to step only on the ... »Turbobob: Omar, I was the pitcher who caught the soft line drive and threw the ... »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, I am impressed with your tough guys! »Wayne 37: Just move your foot. Pushing is obstruction of the runner and could ... |
7 | Sept. 24, 2018 | 438 |
runner intentionally get hit by ball» jfsully: Theoretical situation: Less than two outs and runners on first and ...»txnighttrain: If the runner intentionally interferes, the ball is dead, then the ... »B.J.: Hmmmm... that advice didn't seem to help someone else »Nancy Allen: BJ, I thought that same thing when I read it but decided not to be ... »jfsully: I guess I should have been more specific in saying WE know the answer ... »Nancy Allen: Jfsully, I hope that you did not think that BJ's or my comments were ... »jfsully: Nancy , no I guessed that there was another background issue. You ... »OmahaChuck: Let me ask one more question on this thread to throw a 'wrinkle' ... »lb16: If the runner running to third only jumps over ball to not get hit by ... »Wayne 37: They were talking about me. Immediate dead ball, runner out. ... »mck71: Wayne, you are letting your frustration with Nancy and BJ get to you. ... »B.J.: mck71.. thank you.. »Nancy Allen: Yes, mck71, thank you. »Wayne 37: mck71, Why would I be frustrated? They've been wrong so many ... »Nancy Allen: I am sure that you thought that you were great in the maybe dozen ... »DaveDowell: Children, stop the bickering ... This is an extreme annoyance to the ... »softball4b: DD, please don't close the thread, I am unable to get The View at ... »Dbax: Now that's funny. »Wayne 37: There isn't really much left to say, softball4b. I've tried to help ... »B.J.: wayne, I have made mistakes many times on this board over the years ... »Wayne 37: When I've cited anything from baseball, I've used the term, "If rote ... |
20 | Sept. 20, 2018 | 969 |
Runner hit by batted ball» D.Litch: I went back a year on this board but couldn't find this one... ...»Nancy Allen: I seem to remember a similar discussion in the last few months, but ... »B.J.: as Nancy said.. and that's why runners on 3rd should just toe the bag ... »Nancy Allen: Thank you. Absolutely. Hopefully we don't hear anything over that. »Wayne 37: mck71, see what I mean.......[insert huge sigh and face palm ... »DaveDowell: Children, stop the bickering! ... This is an extreme annoyance to the ... »softball4b: When my team forces me to play 1st or 3rd, I mean lets me play 1st or ... »marcster13: I am impressed that any runner at any age is able to have both feet ... |
7 | Sept. 19, 2018 | 452 |
underage player eligibility (75-79)» 4040club: How many 73 or 74 year old players can be on the roster of a 75 team ...»DaveDowell: FIVE (5) underage players are allowed for 75+ Division teams ... ALL ... |
1 | Sept. 11, 2018 | 218 |
Whats the proper format?» Rook29: OK here goes, Score tied at the end of 6 innings, time has expired ...»mck71: Did time expire as you were playing the 6th inning? Rule is as time ... »DaveDowell: "Monty, I'll take Door #2" ... Assuming mck71's factual description ... »coop3636: I actually agree with Dave this time.lol coop3636 »DaveDowell: You're scaring me now coop ... You OK? »Pa: Dave i have 2 questions once you hit opening are all innings open ... »DaveDowell: Quick replies ... [1] Yes [2] I remember, but that would take Rules ... »Nancy Allen: Pa, I know that we all have different experiences and opinions, but I ... »Pa: Nancy it may of been league i am not sure but it was scmaf for sure ... »Pa: breaker »Nancy Allen: Pa, well I feel a little better, but I had to look up the acronym and ... |
10 | Aug. 30, 2018 | 401 |
what is the rule» creins: 7th inning of a game. In the bottom of the 7th inning, Home team is ...»OmahaChuck: I don't have an answer but wouldn't it have been a good example of ... »DaveDowell: creins ... This is more an education on the importance of the Home ... »Nancy Allen: This is the reason that when I umpire that I make them call their ... »stick8: Creins, if it’s confirmed the runner did in fact run for someone ... »Bob21: Well, a situation just like this occurred at the Rocky Mountain ... »Nancy Allen: Stick8, right on, my friend. Really? I sure hope that you are ... »B.J.: sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with some of you.. I'm ... »Bob21: Yes Nancy Allen, same game. I play for a different team and we were ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, I do agree with you, and I do that for subs, but I honestly do ... »creins: There were two outs and it was the same 60 Major team game at Rocky ... »DaveDowell: B.J. and Nancy ... While I DO completely agree with both of you about ... »B.J.: nancy.. I understand but it stops all the problems with relying on ... »Nancy Allen: Bob21, thank you. I shudder to think if it happened twice. At least ... »coop3636: Have official scorekeepers for all the games Then you have a book to ... »Nancy Allen: Coop3636, your intentions are great, but I have some stories about ... »coop3636: Nancy I have had those horror stories too, that's why we always keep ... »k man: Just curious, based on the conversation, is it the responsibility of ... »coop3636: It is up to the teams to protest the runner It is NOT the ump or ... »k man: Thanks coop »Wayne 37: I see this the same as an defensive appeal and if the umpire can't ... »Nancy Allen: Coop3636, I respectfully disagree. It is my call. It is automatic ... »Wayne 37: coop3636 ~ she needs to read 1.1 A (6) regarding illegal substitutes. ... »Nancy Allen: Perhaps if someone doesn't know how to use a rulebook, they should ... »B.J.: "SHE" did a good job..lol »B.J.: k man, Nancy is correct.. below is a section of the rule for ... »B.J.: Dave, flipping a coin??? everyone knows that is why they make ouija ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, I hope that you got as good of a laugh out of this as I did. I ... |
27 | Aug. 29, 2018 | 685 |
commitment line stepover standoff» jfsully: The discussion about running to the commitment line, stopping and ...»B.J.: 1).. if the runner stops at the C/L the pitcher should cross over to ... »DaveDowell: IF I'm the Tournament/Field Director and IF the umpire were to call ... »k man: I would think that the impetus to force the situation would be on the ... »Joe H: Sorry for being a late responder. On May 12, the message board had ... »JohnBob: If the 3 baseman is next to runner standing at the commitment line he ... »Nancy Allen: Joe H, this is my opinion only. In 21 years of officiating senior ... »the car: Nancy on this the runner is stand at the line and is read to touch ... »MurrayW: I'm with JohnBob. Seems like a very easy play for a 3rd baseman who ... »Nancy Allen: the car, thanks I get that, but I think that even I could tag him ... »BruceAZ: My team has done this scenario twice in the last 2 years, a team mate ... »Nancy Allen: BruceAZ, it's probably not a good idea if you get ejected for the ... »MurrayW: Again, I don't see you this is a hard play for a 3rd baseman to make ... »MurrayW: how instead of you in the first sentence above. »JohnBob: Right on Murray if nothing else flake like you are going to tag him ... »Joe H: Forgive me all, but I guess I didn't get my point across. I've seen ... »The Screamer5: Joe H, I could be wrong but my interpretation of the commitment line ... »B.J.: Joe, I understand what you are trying to say but I think you are ... »stick8: JoeH in your example it’s not so much the base runner must continue ... »Wayne 37: Just another poorly written rule as far as I'm concerned. Rule 8.1 ... »Nancy Allen: Darn, if someone could only read for comprehension and not what they ... »txnighttrain: I saw a funny thing happen at TOC one year. A team sent two runners ... »Wayne 37: Who knows what you mean. You don't write them you just enforce ... »B.J.: wayne... oooops you are WRONG AGAIN.. READ THE RULES..... runners ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, exactly. He keeps changing the subject to a foul ball. Really? ... »Wayne 37: Read all of 1.28, not just last sentence, Butch. I've explained that ... »Nancy Allen: I am wrong many times, but I can admit it. We tried to help you ... »Wayne 37: Just so you know, I ran this past a 5th grader and they fully ... »k man: Wayne, run this by your 5th grader Rule 8.4 (8) any runner can ... »B.J.: lol.. k man you just made his "smitty list" »TimMcElroy: You present yourself as a guy that is big on knowing the rules, yet ... »Wayne 37: Thank you k man. I overlooked it. The SSUSA rule book does leave ... »AJC: Wayne, it seems like a common theme here when you disagree with a ... »Wayne 37: Dear AJC, I don't need to work on my softball interpretations ... »Nancy Allen: AJC, you are a very nice man and hope to meet you some day. This guy ... |
34 | Aug. 24, 2018 | 1807 |
Intentional walk» J R: Looking fort the rule governing a team declaring multiple walks to ...»B.J.: JR.. is this what you mean?? this is the only intentional walk rule ... »DaveDowell: J R ... Not sure what hypothetical fact pattern gives rise to your ... »J R: Thx. That is it I just overlooked it. The opposing pitcher said to ... »Nancy Allen: Dave, I have never had it happen in seniors but have had it happen to ... »Fred S: I've done it a few times in league play to take away the heart of the ... »DaveDowell: Thanks Nancy, I hadn't thought about that one ... But I'm not ... »Nancy Allen: Dave, you know that I am the sweetest umpire ever until a player ... »Reggie4's: The Best Umpires are those that let the PLAYERS determine (by their ... »RALEIGH: Nancy you seem like a very level headed and intelligent individual, ... »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, thank you for the kind words. I have been involved with ... |
10 | Aug. 22, 2018 | 946 |
Proper Appeal» Wayne 37: The rule book tells what you can and when you can appeal. However I ...»B.J.: wayne... try asking Smitty.. he should know.. or maybe the guy that ... »Wayne 37: That's why asking you, Smitty. If you don't know, just say so and ... »txnighttrain: There are two ways to make an appeal: First a live ball appeal: ... »Wayne 37: Now you've confused me with the dead ball appeal when you say the ... |
4 | Aug. 22, 2018 | 320 |
what is the ruling?» gonz: watched a game this weekend. In our league you are allowed one HR per ...»coop3636: It is an out because they were out of homeruns. (and it should have ... »DaveDowell: coop3636 is correct ... It's an excess HR, making it an out under ... »coop3636: Dave Nice catch...(pun intended) I will be more specific next ... »gonz: coop and Dave, thank you for the response. the call was overturned to ... |
4 | Aug. 21, 2018 | 388 |
Hitter Not Running» shortstop33: base loaded no outs batter hits ball in to out, which is clearly a ...»grayhitter59: an out is recorded and the run scores, if it's the 5th run end of ... »B.J.: your UIC is correct.. I don't like that the rule is written this way ... »k man: Wow! This comes under the category of you learn something new ... »Duke: We have so many ridiculous rules in senior softball, and this is just ... »shortstop33: What is different than him hitting a sac fly. If he just stands at ... »shortstop33: Also once the winning run or 5/7 has scored the inning or game is over »Duke: If a sac fly situation occurs, then the batter-runner does not have ... »Wayne 37: Well, ain't another one for the ages. This situation is called ... »B.J.: the way the scenario is worded is that the out at 1st base came AFTER ... »B.J.: k man as far as ASA I believe they consider this an appeal play (time ... »grayhitter59: Stupid, stupid rule, needs to change, what if the guy was slow ... »Wayne 37: This is not an appeal play. It is a timing play. OUTS ARE CALLED IN ... »stick8: Seems weird to me. I’d like to know what the intent of this rule is. ... »Nancy Allen: Stick8, this is just a guess on my part because all associations used ... »B.J.: wayne lmao... again read your "SSUSA RULE BOOK" I posted the rule ... »stick8: Nancy8, the only scenario where I can see a batter doing this is if ... »Nancy Allen: Stick8, as I recall it used to be in both ASA and NSA, I but checked ... »Wayne 37: I've been waiting for your thinly vailed pot shot Nancy because you ... »Nancy Allen: Stick8, in the scenario I gave, it was an NSA game. We had talked ... »B.J.: wayne.. again you are wrong and reading the rule the way you want ... »Wayne 37: From what I've been recently led to believe, a base on balls is a ... »Garocket: Wayne sounds like you might know Baseball but not so much about ... »Wayne 37: Garocket, I'll put it like this, baseball and their rules were ... »B.J.: wayne, you are correct.. but even though the rules needed some ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, there have been a lot of rules over the years that were written ... »Wayne 37: Sigh........I brought up the instance of a "dropped third strike" to ... »Wayne 37: Sorry for all the typos. Trying to post from my phone. This place ... »B.J.: I think it's obvious why SSUSA has explained the foul tip rule.. ... »Wayne 37: Nope, just not necessary if you're going to kill the play anyway and ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, excellent point. You made me realize that I forgot that there ... »Wayne 37: Nancy Allen writes: SSUSA has one of the better written rulebooks ... »B.J.: well the good thing is that you have finally decided to read the ... »Nancy Allen: Looks like someone needs to learn how to use a Venn Diagram. Not all ... »Wayne 37: Would it be to much to ask for you make a Venn Diagram power point ... |
34 | Aug. 20, 2018 | 1167 |
