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2 different levels in the same bracket in a TOC» tall_thunder: I know sometimes in a TOC, that 2 different skill levels or age ...»Uncle Mike: The same thing happened in Kingman with 60 Major and 60 Major +. We ... |
1 | April 19, 2019 | 178 |
Courtesy Runners When the Team Bats Around» jgoff5113: Question for you experts out there: We all know that a player can ...»DaveDowell: NOPE ... A courtesy runner may run only one time per inning ... The ... »jgoff5113: Thank-you, Dave. I had never heard this exception-to-the-rule, and ... »DaveDowell: Sort of like the Farmers Insurance ad series, "..we seen a few things ... |
3 | April 16, 2019 | 530 |
PLEASE CHANGE THIS RULE!!» Bruster55: Over the weekend in the 55 Major division @ the Spring Worlds in Bull ...»k man: I could be wrong but I thought the rule when a guy is out of the ... »TimMcElroy: k man- If a player leaves the game due to injury with no available ... »TimMcElroy: Bruster55- In your view, obliterating the front of the box may ... »JackZ_SLC: Maybe if the boxes were all set the same in relation to the mat it ... »Bruster55: Yes, if all the umpires did enforce the rule it might be more ... »coop3636: Please add this to the rule... You can NOT walk a batter to get to ... »Benji4: If the umpire was worth a crap he wouldn't need any lines to ... »Wayne 37: coop3636, I've never played where the player was ejected, injured ... »Wayne 37: Benji4, They used to give a warning I believe. I think ... »DaveDowell: Here's a "re-post" of my comment taken from a thread that originated ... »Jon44: This ruling definitely made it's way around Bullhead City portion of ... »coop3636: For Wayne Quote from SPA rule book "If a team has less than the ... »lowprofile: I agree with JackZ, The back of the box is almost even with the back ... »cycleman: There is a diagram of the batter's box and it's position relative to ... »Bruster55: All good feedback.It FOR SURE was not deliberate in any way.Hopefully ... »mck71: Bruster - Send your comments regarding the rule in an email to ... »Bigboy97xp: I was an umpire in Kingman for this tournament and made this rule ... |
17 | March 27, 2019 | 1443 |
Team ratings» Funwiththesuns: How can a team with major players get rated AAA rating? Doesn't ...»DaveDowell: SSUSA thoroughly evaluates all rosters for both new and existing ... »TimMcElroy: We must be getting close to opening day. »DaveDowell: Yep, Tim! ... It's that time of year when teams should spend about ... »pizzaboy: Since we're on the subject of ratings I have a question about ... »Ozone8: And another rating question please... Is it permissible for a ... »DaveDowell: pizzaboy ... We don't normally discuss specific teams here, but I can ... »DaveDowell: Ozone8 ... A Player's HIGHEST rating experience history determines ... »pizzaboy: Dave I'm glad you mentioned that the tournament was rain shortened ... »DaveDowell: pizzaboy ... NOW I remember you guys! (and it's in interesting ... »Ozone8: Thanks for confirming that, Dave. »southerinman: Is there a way for a player to find his rating index? I don't see it ... »lb16: southerinman - It's pretty simple whats the highest rated team you ... »DaveDowell: lb16 is correct, with a couple of clarifications ... It's the [1] ... »southerinman: The team I played with started at 55M last. It was Chi Town 55's with ... »DaveDowell: Southerinman ... The Chi Town 55's team was formed in early 2017 and ... »2bornot2b: Dave. How does SSUSA know that a player is trying to "sit it out?" I ... »DaveDowell: 2beornot2b ... We normally discover it after the fact ... The usual ... »Ozone8: Dave, As a follow up to your original answer to my question, what ... »DaveDowell: Ozone8 ... The SSUSA office staff checks every player on every roster ... »Ozone8: Got it. Thanks, Dave. »neck10: dont back up take a complete walk around ur car before u back up just ... |
21 | March 18, 2019 | 1618 |
Appeal Rule and Scoring» retired2013: Player running to a base misses that base while advancing. An appeal ...»coop3636: If there are less than 2 outs, the runner who missed the base is out ... »DaveDowell: retired2013 ... coop3636's analysis is correct in his first line of ... »stick8: Retired2013, can you describe the actual play? »coop3636: Dave The appeal has to come after play has stopped. I have never ... »DaveDowell: coop3636 ... Correct, on the 1st two lines as it relates to a dead ... »Wayne 37: How about the Rule Maven give us something about multiple appeal ... »DaveDowell: Your wish may be granted (temporarily) ... I think I see a "Rules ... »B.J.: lol again I'll assume you mean me and for once you are correct .. I ... »Wayne 37: I asked the question. You're the one who answers it. Isn't the way ... »B.J.: well if you are looking for an example of a multiple appeal on the ... »Wayne 37: Kudos BJ, you have impeccable cut and paste skills. Would be nice if ... »stick8: Wayne37, I have 2 outs on that play. »Wayne 37: Correct stick8. Appeals aren't time plays, live or dead. I ... |
13 | March 13, 2019 | 598 |
Where do I sign up?» Wayne 37: And I say maybe you should consider attending the National Rules ...»B.J.: LMAO.. wayne.. I'm not sure if you are talking to me? but if you are ... »DaveDowell: You sign up for the convention through the SSUSA office (and later ... »TimMcElroy: 99.9% of the membership appears to understand why the rule ... »Wayne 37: Stop locking every thread would be a nice start. You wouldn't have ... »DaveDowell: We close threads for a variety of reasons, most often for [1] ... |
5 | March 4, 2019 | 461 |
Interference/Obstruction or Other» BillC48: Interesting scenario happened in our community league. Runners on ...»DaveDowell: BillC48 ... There's a lot to consider in this circumstance, but here ... »BillC48: Dave- thanks for a very thorough and detailed answer. One other ... »B.J.: BillC.. the runner does not have to move and Dave did cover that ... »Wayne 37: .. The runner, as the manager asserts, has NO obligation to vacate ... »Dbax: The question had already been answered twice. »B.J.: lmao... hmmm ... I think someone has forgotten to take his meds... ... »AJC: Thread closed in 3....2....1.....lol »stick8: BillC48 in the original scenario the manager who argues his runner ... |
8 | March 3, 2019 | 454 |
Interference or incidental contact?» cuda65: In a Senior league,55 and older, no sliding : Runner on first base, ...»stick8: BJ can correctly articulate the actual rule but it’s my understanding ... »B.J.: cuda65 .. no a double play call is not automatic with an interference ... »Bigboy97xp: If this is a ssusa event in this situation the umpire has the option ... »HJ: Disagree with BigBoy. Your interpretation is batter is out if the ... »Wayne 37: 8.6 Not applicable to the original scenario and it doesn't matter if ... »B.J.: HE'S BACK... again please read the rule book.. and if you disagree ... »Bigboy97xp: HJ I take pride in being an ssusa umpire and know the rules I don't ... »Bigboy97xp: I meant a double play not as »stick8: “If in the umpires judgement the runners collision with the defensive ... »B.J.: stick8.. the only time I would call a runner out who "SLID" into 2nd ... »N ID: B.J. you are absolutely correct it should not be interference if a ... »B.J.: N ID.. there is nothing an umpire can do if a runner stands straight ... »Bigboy97xp: B.J. I agree except if the runner going from first to second ... »B.J.: Bigboy.. yes, but to get an intentional interference call I would ... »Wayne 37: For someone whose catch phrase is read the rulebook, I say take your ... »Bigboy97xp: Wayne 37 all organizations basically have the same rule with similar ... »Wayne 37: Bigboy97xp, Interference is an immediate dead ball. I believe as ... »stever: Wayne37...just a question, why does it seem whenever a rule ... »PoollShark: Slide or avoid contact has always been what I thought the rule is. ... »B.J.: Wayne.. interference by team personal is not a delayed dead ball as ... »stick8: Cuda65, since there is no sliding in your league, here’s a suggestion ... »Omar Khayyam: stick8, our senior league has the same run-through rule and it has ... »Wayne 37: stever, what do you mean by dissenting? BJ....I gave some ... »Bigboy97xp: Wayne37 what I was inferring to was in some organizations when an ... »B.J.: wayne, I agree that a coach assisting a runner is a delayed dead ball ... »Wayne 37: I understand what you're saying Bigboy97xp. SSUSA For some reason ... »B.J.: wayne, yes.. you are correct 9.2 gives you live ball and delayed dead ... »B.J.: Bigboy.. just for info on the player closest to home being called ... »txnighttrain: Intereference is an immediate dead ball. The actions of the runner or ... »stick8: Omar that’s precisely how our league worked. Being an indoor league ... »B.J.: nighttrain.. yes INT. is an immediate dead ball and the offensive ... »Bigboy97xp: B.J. I believe that is what I said »Wayne 37: So coach's interference doesn't come under the definition of ... »B.J.: wayne, yes there can be coaches INT. which would be an immediate ... »Wayne 37: You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.....again. »DaveDowell: Well, that's enough of the personal attacks on this one, too ... ... |
36 | March 2, 2019 | 1321 |
foul tip question» Larry S: In our senior league we have modified the foul tip rule to read that ...»DaveDowell: Larry S ... Here are the relevant sections from the 2019-20 Official ... »Garocket: The foul tip rule for years was in softball a foul tip had to go ... »DaveDowell: ▲ ▲ ▲ Nailed it on how different rules and ... »firemanfred: Look at ASA rules supplement,it was changed years ago, does not have ... »txnighttrain: However, if you read new rule, it says a foul tip may now count as ... »firemanfred: So your saying if a batter has a strike, then a foul tip caught clean ... »DaveDowell: Simply stated • A "foul tip" is considered a "waste foul" in games ... »firemanfred: Games with a 1-1 start basically is a 3-2 count correct? I understand ... »firemanfred: Guess I better get a new rule book.... :) »B.J.: firemanfred.. yes .. below is the rule 1.29 • FOUL TIP A foul ... »firemanfred: Got it, forgot some of our tornament start with 0-0 count,, my ... »Wayne 37: I say just do away with 1.29. It is already defined in 1.28 as merely ... »DaveDowell: And I say maybe you should consider attending the National Rules ... |
13 | March 2, 2019 | 779 |
Recent Palm Springs Tournament - One & One Count with one to waste.» baseballbill: We are a 70's team and just completed playing in this tournament. It ...»SCRAPPY: We play mostly SSUSA and are a 70 Major Team. We played ... »DaveDowell: Gentlemen ... Two EXCELLENT arguments on the flip sides of the same ... »baseballbill: Mr Scrappy: WE also play 70 Major "Ponchos" and mostly play ... »baseballbill: Dave: What were the reasons for the 1 & 1 count with one to waste ... »DaveDowell: baseballbill ... A little over a year ago (December, 2017), we sent a ... »baseballbill: Dave: I think SSUSA should take the lead on giving stats on the 1 & 1 ... »DaveDowell: baseballbill ... Not sure what "stats" you may envision, but here's ... »NYGNYY: At 65 and playing almost every inning I am OK with playing 6 instead ... »baseballbill: Dave: That's the Stat I'm looking for, 90-95% of games go 7 ... »DaveDowell: bbb ... I'm not aware of any specific previous "0-0" count ... »baseballbill: Dave: Thanks for the input!!! If nothing changes, the 0-0 count will ... »bbullet: I agree with SCRAPPY. And as a player now playing 70's I agree with ... »baseballbill: Hey Guys: Yes, I am currently a pitcher but only been pitching for 1 ... »Omar Khayyam: My 80s team also played in the Palm Springs Tournament with the 1-1 ... »DieselDan: O. K.: All batters, other than lead off, should have a good read on ... »swing for the fences : Getting a read... 18 mph underhand... what's He got? LOL »baseballbill: You just cant teach old dogs new tricks. I always wonder if the older ... »Jawood: Don't think we'll ever come to a consensus with the 1-1, 0-0 count ... »baseballbill: I think it would make sense for SSUSA to track the 60's(1&1)and ... »DaveDowell: bbb ... It's highly unlikely we are going to expend any resources on ... »NYGNYY: BBB give it a break What else do you need to hear.? »OZ40: My nephew plays in a league and their games always end on time. They ... »curveball: For the very greatest part, SSUSA Tournaments stay on schedule for ... »Omar Khayyam: Curveball, if you are talking about the Palm Springs tournament, I ... »curveball: I am Omar. Our group only used 2 fields, right next to each other. ... »swing for the fences : Omar, saving time is not the reason for 1 and 1 count(all games have ... »swing for the fences : wait.. not weight LOL »baseballbill: swing for the fences: YOU GET IT !!!!!! Its surprising to me how ... »Mason's Grandpa: I also played in Palm Springs this year. What I noticed this year i ... »ffdonnie: Geez guys relax. It's a little back-yarder in January. I look forward ... »swing for the fences : I agree %100 with FFDonnie! total backyard, get some swings and ... »Omar Khayyam: Mason's Grandpa and ffdonnie both make good points. This tournament ... |
32 | Feb. 6, 2019 | 1642 |
Players ratings» Mikel: Is a player who is rated as a 65 major player counted as a chip on a ...»DaveDowell: Nope. Identical player experience history rating index. »Mikel: Dave, I don't understand the answer completely, "Identical player ... »chico senior: Mikel - Click on tournaments at top of page. Then click on rules. ... »BH44: Dave - What would a 55 Major+ player be considered on a 50 AAA team ... »DaveDowell: Mikel ... chico senior referred you to the right place ... A 65-Major ... »Papajoe56: Dave, If I understand correctly a 65 Major player could drop down to ... »DaveDowell: Yes, IF he is otherwise eligible as to residency and the entirety of ... »Seattle Stray Dog: So, I'm just wondering how you find out what your rating is. Is it ... »DaveDowell: Seattle Stray Dog ... The SSUSA does NOT rate individual players, but ... |
9 | Jan. 31, 2019 | 1202 |
Base runner tagging up on a bobbled fly ball to the outfield.» Turbobob: Scenario is less than 2 outs, base runner on 3rd base. Fly ball to ...»Frischd44: From my understanding, once it hit's the glove the runner has the ... »DaveDowell: We concur with Frischd44 ... __________ Rulebook §8.4(8) • WHEN ... »stick8: Turbo bob, legal tag. On a fly ball (with less than 2 outs) a runner ... »DieselDan: I might have this wrong, but I believe this rule changed from control ... »Wayne 37: On a ball over foul territory, the fielder has to complete the act of ... »mad dog: wayne....but yet the runner can still take off on the first touch ... »Dbax: Oh no. It's Deja Vu all over again. Mad Dog you are correct. »lb16: It's amazing how someone will try and twist the words around in the ... »Nancy Allen: mad dog, you are correct. Whether the ball is fair or foul is not ... »Wayne 37: What's even more amazing is I get my information from umpires who ... »B.J.: lol... I have an idea for you, read the SOFTBALL rule book and stop ... »stick8: Wayne37 I’m not certain what you posted in your first message is 100% ... »Wayne 37: I'll break it down one more time for everyone. The rule always said ... »DaveDowell: ** THREAD CLOSED ** • Due to [1] Question already asked and answered ... |
14 | Jan. 19, 2019 | 995 |
Base runner struck by batted ball : Changed Rule» Fearless Freep: I am perplexed by one of the changes that came out of December's ...»DaveDowell: Fearless ... Looks as though the Rulebook editor (that would be me!), ... »Wayne 37: before it passes an infielder (excluding the pitcher), the ball is ... |
2 | Jan. 18, 2019 | 642 |
Interference by a base runner ?????» baseballbill: Base runner on 1st base and the infield is deep with the pitcher ...»B.J.: bbb.. this is a judgement call by the umpire.. but as you described ... |
1 | Jan. 11, 2019 | 259 |
drop down box for rules under the title TOURNAMENTS» cannon: Need to fix the drop down box under TOURNAMENTS = it disappears when ...»DaveDowell: Ummmm, it's supposed to! ... Because when you click on RULES, it ... »cannon: Ummmmm, it won't let you CLICK on rules! »DaveDowell: I just tried it on six different computers and two phones in the ... »TimMcElroy: cannon- I think that I see what you problem is. Try this: Put ... »cannon: Nope, didn't work. Someone else in discussions had the same problem. ... »B.J.: cannon.. yes all the top row that have icons below are hard to get to ... »MartyM: Simple reason is your browser Zoom is a bit too high. Just try a ... »TexasTransplant: canon, I have the same problem on my Mac. Prompted by your post, I ... »k man: canon, I also had the same problem about a month ago. I noticed that ... »T.C.Sr.: Same problem here. But did what Tim said and while that tab was still ... »Nancy Allen: I know that we talked about this a few other times. It just won't ... |
11 | Jan. 10, 2019 | 432 |
Number of Eligible Players?» cannon: How many 78's and 79's are allowed for 2019 on an 80 team? How many ...»DaveDowell: 80+ teams may have up to SEVEN players under age 80, with not more ... »cannon: Thanks, Dave This also falls in line with our NorCal Ass'n rules. »DaveDowell: cannon ... I believe that conformance is the NCSSA's intent ... Our ... |
3 | Jan. 8, 2019 | 193 |
Help settle player eligibility issue» curveball: Player plays entire season at the 75 Major Plus level. The following ...»Lefty: That's a good question. I'd like to know the answer. »missouridave: As is always the case, the best way to get the correct answer is to ... »SSUSA Staff: YES he may play 70-AAA after receiving his release from the 70-Major ... »SSUSA Staff: Forgot to mention the actual rule that governs the original question ... »MurrayW: Please help me clarify this for me. In the example above, the 75 ... »DaveDowell: MurrayW ... Please take a look at the "Team Rating Index" chart ... »MurrayW: Thanks Dave, that's what I thought it was but was just a little ... |
7 | Jan. 7, 2019 | 614 |
Courtesy runner» Wayne 37: §8.5(5) • COURTESY RUNNER OFFICIALLY IN THE GAME A courtesy ...»B.J.: wayne.. i think you meant that you CAPITALIZED.. or maybe you need ... »DaveDowell: Wayne ... This one was pretty simple ... At the 2016 Rules Committee ... »stick8: Wayne37 you’re pretty much spot on. I don’t umpire senior ball as ... »B.J.: Dave, I think a bigger change in the rule is that a C/R can only be ... »DaveDowell: B.J. - I agree on the second sentence (A courtesy runner may enter ... »B.J.: Dave, (. A few umpires actually heard/saw the CR announce, waited ... »stick8: BJ, youre correct about the first pitch to the next batter, that’s ... »DaveDowell: stick8 ... In every Manager Meeting I have either chaired or ... »stick8: Yes, that sounds about right. It helps to have an alert ... »Sisavic: Dave, Please clarify this statement/rule. "A courtesy runner ... »Wayne 37: I understand about the reporting to and being acknowledged by the ... »B.J.: sisavic.. yes a runner can get a CR with every new batter.. BEFORE ... »B.J.: wayne.. sorry, I don't think a decoder ring would help.. especially ... »DaveDowell: Wayne ... "..I can say I've seen an illegal courtesy runner entered ... »B.J.: lol Dave, that's why they $PAY$ you the big money and I will try ... »stick8: Dave that must have been a wild scene!! As an umpire and a hs ... »DaveDowell: stick8 ... I wrestled with that later, since I now believe it was a ... »stick8: Dave, it’s not an appeal play per se but the effect can be the same. ... »Nancy Allen: BJ does it most correctly by making notes on the runners; I fail on ... »Wayne 37: I see the Grinch is back in town. I've raised my questions because ... »Wayne 37: Sorry, just trying to have a civil discussion on the wording of the ... »Nancy Allen: No need to apologize. You started a couple of threads on rules that ... »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Looks like maybe a case of excessive picking at nits here, ... »Wayne 37: Wasn't apologizing to you. Was apologizing to the board. Besides, ... »Wayne 37: Sorry again, Dave. You posted before I did. I understand. I just ... »DaveDowell: No worries, Wayne ... We'll "all in" on improving performance and ... »Wayne 37: Not a problem there, Dave. I just know it's hard to get experienced ... |
27 | Dec. 27, 2018 | 1053 |
Purpose of the rule» Wayne 37: I don't understand the purpose of this rule nor why it exists in the ...»DaveDowell: Wayne ... Let's start with an accurate statement of the rule ... »Wayne 37: I copied the new rule amendment. I guess some of it didn't ... »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Thanks for the input, both previous and current ... The ... »curty: At Worlds @ Vegas a few years ago the following occurred: bases ... »stick8: Curry that is a heads up play on your part!! With no outs I’d be ... »curty: stick- we had already discussed going 2nd to 1st to home- confident ... »Wayne 37: Two questions. Did F5 tag the runner going to 3B as stepping on 2B ... »curty: Wayne- 3rd baseman tagged runner about 15' in front of base with ... |
8 | Dec. 27, 2018 | 1172 |
PRIORITY: SSUSA NATIONAL RULES COMMITTEE 2018 • Annual Meeting Minutes» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2018 SSUSA ...»SSUSA Staff: RULEBOOK AMENDMENTS 2018 • Technical Language Changes The link ... »SSUSA Staff: OFFICIAL 2019-20 SSUSA RULEBOOK ONLINE • The 2019-20 electronic ... |
2 | Dec. 18, 2018 | 2508 |
