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Sun rule

» sslver400: Heard that the rule where a batter can request the pitcher move due ...
      »swing for the fences : I was in two of these games.... just a few thoughts.. I think it ...
      »Dbax: If the sun is in the batters eyes, it is only temporary. It's part of ...
      »NYGNYY: Dbax did you play in those games in Phoenix? If you did you would ...
      »Dbax: It's part of the game. Just like an outfielder having the sun in his ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Dbax, you're not thinking this through. I had just such a game at ...
      »Dbax: Ok Omar, you convinced me. My point is, again, that it is part of the ...
      »nickname36: Are you freaking serious, A SUN RULE!!!!!!! Learn to play the game ...
      »sslver400: Hitting up the middle is also part of the game....but you maybe one ...
      »Chief144: As a pitcher I can relate to the sun rule & the sometime benefit of ...
      »swing for the fences : Hey Turtle man.. can't agree with you more OMAR... Games like this ...
      »#19: Yes, Chief144, that is crying! Lots of alternatives for you. Sit on ...
      »DaveDowell: The SSUSA National Rules Committee has settled this issue. See the ...
      »Duke: The rule for the pitcher to move so the batter can see the pitch has ...
      »stick8: Maybe it's a different rule but the sun rule I'm familiar with is one ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The amendment made to the pitcher's sun rule last year, to expand ...
      »Sisavic: Rationale? I am very surprised - no, shocked - with SSUSA's reversal. ...
      »Chief144: #19 - What position do you play? If you don't pitch, may I suggest ...
      »DaveDowell: Sisavic ... I can only share my own observations and opinion on the ...
      »Bballer3: Hey Dave, This was the committee's best ruling in a long ...
      »Webbie25: I agree totally with SSUSA and Bballer3. We played twice with it in ...
      »#19: Yes, Chief144, I have pitched and I have been hit ... If you're a ...
      »NYGNYY: I will agree with the decision of the committee however I believe ...
      »HAT MAN: My Take, I have done both, pitched and batted with sun issues. I ...
      »DaveDowell: NYGNYY ... I attempt to avoid "sun fields" when we have the field ...
      »NYGNYY: Dave thanks for your feedback and once again no issues with what was ...
      »nickname36: YOU WANT SOME CHEESE WITH THAT WINE??...... Pitching and batting ...
      »Mulewhipper: Nickname...why so many CAPS? isn't HEAT part of the game as well?
27 Dec. 7, 2016 1214

Triple Play or Not? - Help with call

» HAT MAN: Here is one (i cant post new threads so had to piggy back) Bases ...
      »HAT MAN: B.J. REPLY: HAT MAN... ... if the umpire said he didn't see the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: HAT MAN ... We had no difficulty logging in under your ID and ...
      »HAT MAN: Thank you SSUSA. I have tried to start several new threads and it ...
3 Dec. 6, 2016 240

Scoring of Runs - Question concerning interpretation of Section 5.7

» BillC48: Runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out. Batter flies out to right field ...
      »SSUSA Staff: BillC48 ... We concur ... The RUN BY R2 IS SCORED ... This is not a ...
      »BillC48: Thanks for the quick response. I looked at some of the older rule ...
      »DaveDowell: I don't remember the year the Committee made that change, but do ...
3 Dec. 6, 2016 332
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SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE 2016 Annual Meeting Minutes

» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2016 SSUSA ...
0 Dec. 2, 2016 598

substitution

» froggy11: Tournament game, tie game, extra inning, visiting team starts extra ...
      »k man: Froggy- Rule 5.4(2) Page 28 - No substitute or curtesy runner may ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The umpire (and k man) nailed it ... There is one limited exception, ...
      »froggy11: Thanks for the response, I see that now, page 28.
      »bond_171513: Just curious about the wording on the original question..there is a ...
      »Duke: bond_171513, Last batter that completed his turn at bat, not the last ...
      »froggy11: YOU ARE CORRECT ANDY, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW THE RULE READS.
6 Dec. 1, 2016 410

rules

» hurdler52: What is the ruling on a play where the first baseman steps on the ...
      »coop3636: This question needs more information to be answered correctly. If it ...
      »BruceinGa: Coop, you answered that just like you were a first baseman! ;)
      »SSUSA Staff: coop3636 did a good analysis ... Here are two simple general rules to ...
      »hurdler52: Thank you, now let me add a twist. The batter/base runner fails to ...
      »coop3636: Bruce, I am just a coach that likes to know the rules. It comes in ...
      »B.J.: hurdler...the B/R "IS" allowed to miss 1st base if he is avoiding a ...
      »coop3636: BJ I won't argue that the ump will make the safe call (I don't ...
      »B.J.: coop....I'm 100% sure...the defense can only appeal before the runner ...
      »Garocket: Coop better look that on up cause you are wrong. The runner his ...
      »Garocket: In the above the R! went to third Sorry
      »coop3636: BJ.. Rule 1.1 on page 19 says: " AN appeal play is a play on which ...
      »B.J.: coop, and for 99% of appeals that is correct...but with a B/R ...
      »coop3636: I disagree, but will wait until SSUSA puts in their opinion.
      »stick8: Hurdler in your scenario the umpire calls the runner safe. But if the ...
      »Mango: So what happens if the batter runner steps right in the middle of ...
      »B.J.: B/R is allowed the safety bag and only the safety bag...so if he ...
      »B.J.: Dave, can you answer the above question of coop and I...whether the ...
      »coop3636: BJ You are wrong, again..lol If the runner hits ANY part of the ...
      »DieselDan: Since cooper3636 typed the rules that stated the appeal has to be ...
      »B.J.: coop...if im wrong??? it certainly wont be the 1st time...in fact my ...
      »DaveDowell: Here's the current formula: 800-mile Road trip to Phoenix + 210-team ...
      »stick8: Mango, the way you word it in your scenario I have the runner ...
      »Mango: Stick, thank you. It was another great competitive tournament! And ...
      »k man: our local 60+ league says runner 'may only' touch orange bag in which ...
      »Davy: One more twist. it happened to me. Big first baseman comes off bag ...
      »SSUSA Staff: You're whatever the umpire called ... It's a JUDGMENT CALL not ...
      »stick8: Totally understand your point Mango. Maybe this has been tried or ...
      »DaveDowell: I think there will be somewhere around a 0.04% of softball facilities ...
      »stick8: Dave, a line would work too!!
      »mck71: Great idea Dave, like the line but that would add another element to ...
      »DieselDan: The line at first would have arguments like at home when there is ...
      »k man: I agree with Dan, in a 1 umpire system it would be a nightmare of ...
      »B.J.: Dave, I was wondering if you had time to research the appeal ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. and coop3636 ... Here's a bit of a diplomatic response, but you ...
      »B.J.: Dave.. your answer below on a DBA is confusing when you say an appeal ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. - NO ... The Dead Ball Appeal is available to the defense before ...
      »B.J.: Since the SSUSA rule book does not really cover specific appeals I ...
      »surf88: Dear Dave, I would like clarification on a play that occurred at ...
38 Dec. 1, 2016 1324

RULEING ON PLAY

» doyle: RUNNER STOPS AT THE LINE BETWEEN BETWEEN ,3RD AND HOME, PITCHER HAS ...
      »Fred S: First question would be at what point did he tag him. Before he step ...
      »taits: I'd say the line is considered same as is the batters box issue, on ...
      »doyle: HE STEPED OVER THE LINE AS THE PITCHER REACHED OVER TO TAG HIM,THEN ...
      »doyle: THE PITCHER THREW THE BALL TO THE CATCHER STANDING ON HOME PLATE
      »B.J.: once the runners foot is down on or across the line he cannot be ...
      »taits: If no touch line or plate, I'd say, out. as you wrote this ...
      »taits: BJ, good point.
      »Fred S: According to rule 13.8(3) B.J. is right if he was tagged after his ...
      »coop3636: BJ is correct..batter is safe, run scores And ball is live at that ...
      »titanhd: If I am correct. No matter when runners foot hit the ground. Runner ...
      »JohnBob: looks like runner would have to touch scoring plate to be safe. If he ...
      »titanhd: runner is automatically safe if tagged at home plate.
      »k man: Once runner touches commitment line or beyond and is then tagged ...
      »k man: taits, not gaits
      »stick8: I believe the intent of the rule is to make sure there is no obstacle ...
      »DieselDan: I am the runner who Doyle is referring too. I intentionally stopped ...
      »stick8: DieselDan by baiting the fielder to tag you that was quite the heads ...
      »DieselDan: I first saw that same play at Vegas in Sept. with a Scrap Iron team. ...
18 Nov. 21, 2016 577

BATTERS BOX

» 1jonsey: After hitting the ball, when is a runner considered to be out of the ...
      »HAT MAN: your question needs re wording I think. After hitting or making ...
      »SSUSA Staff: "..After hitting the ball..", we would presume he is out of the box ...
      »paul0784: It was happening whole tournament in Florida and not being called and ...
      »1jonsey: The batter is in the box but he tops the ball out in front of home ...
      »Garocket: If any part of his body (usually the foot)touches the ball while the ...
      »taits: Not having a current book and too lazy to read the inhere, i's guess? ...
      »1jonsey: Garocket, so are you saying that if he has 1 foot out of the box and ...
      »k man: We had a situation in FL where the batter hit a very slow roller ...
      »Garocket: If t he foot that touches the ball and the ball and foot is outside ...
      »Garocket: Just found this on a baseball site, would assume it would be the sam ...
      »HAT MAN: Does anyone know how many major guys can be on a AAA team and stay ...
      »B94: HM pretty sure the magic number is 3...
      »taits: Correct..... BUT..... if any one or more player(s) has player M+ in ...
      »HAT MAN: Taits Thanks, it was more for knoledge than action. Trying to build ...
      »taits: Your welcome. Should be in the rule book on here. Maybe too in ...
15 Nov. 16, 2016 638

EH & DH ??????

» 17Black: I overheard a couple of guys at Florida tournament last week (FYI we ...
      »B.J.: NO if he is in the line up he must bat...
      »k man: 17Black - our senior league allows a team to have 1 person play the ...
      »HAT MAN: only thing I have seen was an ADA rule. The player was their pitcher ...
      »taits: Page 25 for this years rules.
      »Fred S: I believe you can get around it by using pinch hitting for him twice ...
      »paul0784: Fred you as a pinch hitter can only bat once in that role. The second ...
      »Fred S: Paul0784:No. Rule only states that I can't be in the lineup and I ...
      »Jawood: A couple of years ago there was a discussion (on the website) to ...
8 Nov. 11, 2016 620

injured player

» B.J.: Dave, can I get a ruling on the injured player ...
      »taits: From what I remember: he is at bat from how I read this and get ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. ... Tough circumstance to be in, but we would rule that he is ...
      »Gavin5: Knowing the current at bat will result in an out, would it be ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Gavin5 ... With the luxury of "20-20 hindsight", that's probably the ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Saw an older player break his hip on his swing. He was sprawled ...
      »Mulewhipper: SSUSA Staff...what are the rules if player is ejected? Just ...
      »SSUSA Staff: If the player is ejected and there is no substitute available, his ...
      »stick8: Unless a sub is available replace an ejected player it's an out each ...
      »Mulewhipper: lol Staff...thanks.
      »DaveDowell: You were just looking for a "Get Out of Jail Free" card ... Nice try!
10 Nov. 8, 2016 886

Is it a catch?

» Webbie25: The batter hits a long fly ball to the fence. The outfielder leaps up ...
      »B.J.: since the fielder had the glove in the proper place at the start of ...
      »Webbie25: I think it is a catch also, but I cannot find anything to cover it, ...
      »softball4b: Had to be someone other than yourself unless it was a 4 ft fence. ...
      »DMac: When I was umping in So Cal, the player had to voluntarily release ...
      »swing for the fences : It's a catch! The outfielder did not throw his glove but had it ...
      »taits: Could be had no control of ball, no catch. You have to see it to know ...
      »B.J.: taits....the op said that while lying on the ground he caught the ...
      »stick8: Sounds like a legal catch but I'd have to see the play to make a ...
      »taits: BJ, I missed that you are correct. I stoped at the end of the 1st ...
      »Joncon: """When I was umping in So Cal, the player had to voluntarily release ...
10 Nov. 2, 2016 737

rule clarification II

» stick8: Kind of an easy one but here it goes: A4 is on third, A3 is on ...
      »Garocket: Not as easy as you might think Rule If a batter bats out of ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Had a similar situation in a tournament recently, but I suspect it is ...
      »B.J.: Garocket....you are correct about the runner who scored going back to ...
      »k man: BJ, if that's the case then the defensive team might be better off ...
      »Garocket: B.J. Do you really think I am that smart LOL I copied and pasted ...
      »Garocket: Retraction I also found another rule that says all runners return to ...
      »Garocket: BUT This is what I found on an ASA site COMMONLY OCCURRING ASA ...
      »B.J.: Garocket....I see what you are saying...earlier after I posted my ...
      »Garocket: But still in limbo, because SSUSA does not say what to do about any ...
      »B.J.: yes, and that's what I always do but even their rule doesn't ...
      »stick8: After checking with the on-line SSUSA rule book three things are for ...
      »B.J.: stick.....first of all great scenario...I asked about 10 tournament ...
      »stick8: BJ that would be the conventional wisdom. However, it does need to be ...
13 Oct. 31, 2016 499

Running up ????

» garyheifner: What is "exactly" RUNNING UP IN THE BOX? Many hitters, especially ...
      »BruceinGa: Depending on the pitcher I will "run up". If he throws deep I start ...
      »B.J.: gary, no its not like girl left handed batters....I see more right ...
      »bkb555: 90-95% of the fields we play on have NO batter's box....we used to ...
      »B94: I still think the easiest way is to word the rule to say the batter ...
4 Oct. 31, 2016 561

Is it a strike if ball hits front edge of strike mat and also kicks up some dirt?

» Turbobob: Our senior league uses the official strike mat as stated in the ...
      »k man: Turbo, you yourself said: ball hits the front edge of the mat. ...
      »Turbobob: k man, so you are saying that even if the ball hits the front of the ...
      »k man: just my opinion based on how I've seen things called over the years. ...
      »OZ40: As long as the arc requirement is met it seems that the upper edge of ...
      »The Screamer5: As an umpire, I get hear this ALL the time. Batters complain that ...
      »k man: btw, shouldn't be any different than if it hits the side edge or the ...
      »neck10: but just think if the ball bounds upward and back toward pitcher then ...
      »Dancer: We call it a cheap strike, but still a strike. and most likely the ...
      »Don5: In 2017 they will be using square spongy balls, much like the stote ...
      »Don5: Yes I used the word "muck" that wasn't a typo, most of you will ...
      »garyheifner: Have had the post happen many times. Quite often, the ump has ruled ...
      »patrick jt: did someone strike out
      »Turbobob: Thanks for all of your input, which is what I asked for. I believe ...
      »Boom Boom 1: If the ball bounces up and never crosses the plate isn't that a ball? ...
      »B94: If you are using a one inch thick piece of wood as a plate it should ...
      »DaveDowell: Boom Boom 1 In SSUSA sanctioned events, a pitched ball must only ...
      »DieselDan: Having the dirt in front of the plate cleared away periodically might ...
      »Bobby Buggs: I hate those front edge ankle biters. Being new to the Senior game ...
      »JT25: I wish SSUSA would go to a 1 inch wood strike mat because when the ...
      »taits: Where you guys living, in the twilight zone. A strike is a strike ...
      »bkb555: JT....if you put a 1 inch strike mat for a strike, you KNOW somebody ...
      »Omar Khayyam: bkb555, seems like that would be the case, doesn't it? We have been ...
22 Oct. 29, 2016 1636

1-1-----0-0 count

» garyheifner: Staff We have beat this topic to death and then eliminated it from ...
      »Fred S: I like that better than 1-1. It still gives 2 pitches to fool around ...
      »SS13: I think anything is better than 0-0. I would try that for sure.
      »Omar Khayyam: As a pitcher, I like gary's suggestion. I have not been a fan of ...
      »southpaw: As a pitcher, I like this idea as well. After all, we are throwing ...
      »17Black: I am open to all ideas' not sure about the 8 inning games ...
      »k man: 17Black- regarding the outfielders, of which I am one, and that only ...
      »17Black: k man --- AGREED, outfielders defensively/offensively/base running, ...
      »k man: 17Black and thanks for reminding me, senior bats for SSUSA, double ...
      »Don5: Personally I like the 1-1 count, with hot bats and balls, the batter ...
      »maskedman: I don't like any rule that give the hitter another excuse for ...
      »taits: Can't recall this ever being brought up. But a middle of the road and ...
      »taits: It's been a hitters game for years. Still will be unless you change ...
      »bkb555: we did our fall league 1-1 with a screen......games lasted 1.5 hours ...
13 Oct. 28, 2016 1346

Tournament win.....

» CAT: IF a team wins a major tournament and gets moved up to the higher ...
0 Oct. 25, 2016 367

Ruling clarification

» stick8: Batter runs up in the box to hit and is called out for being out of ...
      »rlspls1974: As soon as the batter is called out the ball is dead. So no, it does ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We respectfully disagree. ANY batted ball that clears the fence and ...
      »rlspls1974: Ok staff, that makes no sense. The player was called OUT prior to ...
      »Dbax: Have to agree with rispis. This makes no sense. ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The batter hit the ball out of the park ... That's a home run for the ...
      »coop3636: so if a ump calls time out and then the batter hits one over then ...
      »SSUSA Staff: coop ... You're digging real deep into the "hypothetical barrel" on ...
      »Chief144: It happened this past weekend at BLD & it was called correctly by the ...
      »rlspls1974: Staff, I don't get it but if you say so. Can you please provide the ...
      »coop3636: I still don't agree I dead ball is a dead ball, all action ...
      »SS11: So if bases are loaded and out, and this happens,the batter is out, ...
      »B.J.: I agree with what STAFF says... that this is how the rule is being ...
      »DCPete: Pathetically stupid; how can a ball over the fence count against your ...
      »L.Martin: So let me get this straight, your penalizing the batter twice in one ...
      »Dbax: This is an in interpretation that needs to be changed. ...
      »curty: seems it is some what the same as a bases loaded, no out, 4 runs in, ...
      »DaveDowell: DCPete: Yes, it's counted as a team HR, just not scored as one on the ...
      »rlspls1974: Curty, Apples and Oranges, in your example the 5th run scored ending ...
      »Dbax: Curty, like said above, it's not the same thing. DD, please ...
      »BallPlayer35: The out of the box rule needs to change on my opinion. Giving the ...
      »DCPete: Just put a line from the 3rd Base line to the 1st Base line 40" in ...
      »just a player: my experience with this rule has been with players running up to hit ...
      »Boom Boom 1: To add to this dilemma, our softball batter's box is 6ft long (little ...
      »Boom Boom 1: and to further complicate things: the softball batter's box was ...
      »LP: As I read and try to understand why it's not a dead ball when the ...
      »B94: I personally can't see how it isn't a dead ball situation if the ...
      »Turbo 34: There is no way you can count it toward a teams home run total. The ...
      »ffdonnie: Wow, senior softball has some pretty dumb rules, but this is the ...
      »Panther: The batter's box is supposed to be 7' x 3' according to SSUSA rules.
      »SSUSA Staff: ffdonnie ... It's been a VERY short discussion on the few occasions ...
      »Turbo 34: You didn't address what happens if there's no home runs left and two ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Nawwww ... That's an easy one ... Multiple choice for whatever the ...
32 Oct. 25, 2016 1645

New Player

» AllTournyPit: I have a question....If a player that hasn't played an inning of ...
      »paul0784: He should enter Senior Softball as a AAA player.
      »AllTournyPit: That's what my thought was. SSUSA thinks differently for some reason. ...
      »titanhd: I would re-think your answer Paul.New teams can start as AAA. I ...
      »AllTournyPit: Here's the scenario. We are a new team. Never played in a tournament ...
      »paul0784: I had a new player play with us this year we are 60M and he was ...
      »paul0784: ALLTourneyPit If you are a AAA team you can have 3 M players on your ...
      »SSUSA Staff: There's a "new team" forming in your general area of the country, and ...
      »AllTournyPit: Ok...like I said, it doesn't matter what class we play. We will build ...
      »AllTournyPit: *Correction..Does a name on a roster classify what level you play? If ...
      »SSUSA Staff: ATP ... In reply to your last two posts ... [1] The 'name on a ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Someone thinks a player has major level skills and puts them on a ...
      »AllTournyPit: Ok....this is giving me a freaking headache! ....LOL The player in ...
      »southernson: AllTourneyPit, Welcome to Senior Softball where things are rarely ...
13 Oct. 18, 2016 1123

Courtesy runner replacement on a base.

» Steve in Tucson: Referring to Rule 8.5(5), a courtesy runner is in the game when he ...
      »B.J.: yes you are correct....and if it is not caught before a pitch... An ...
      »curty: years ago i helped to make available a booklet of case studies for ...
      »JBTexas : BJ, before first pitch only comes into play if he just scored, other ...
      »rightrj1: here's one for you; Base hit, batter gets a courtesy runner at 1st ...
      »coop3636: I did this in Vegas this year The UIC said it was legal. You cannot ...
      »SSUSA Staff: rightjr1 and coop3636 TWO incorrect calls resulting in an ...
      »rightrj1: Staff...THANK YOU SO MUCH...I'm putting my bullets away! LOL
      »coop3636: I will concede if you say so, but... As you wrote, rule 8.5(3) says ...
      »DaveDowell: Agreed: It's a very simple fix, and I can name that fix in two words: ...
      »coop3636: I'm glad that is taken care of..lol now what's next to discuss?
      »stick8: Scenario: Stick8 gets a single and gets a courtesy runner, coop3636 ...
      »coop3636: this scenario would never happen I'm not faster then anybody....
      »B.J.: stick....yes ....Rulebook 8.5(3) "..A courtesy runner may not be ...
      »Steve in Tucson: WOW! I didn't realize I was opening Pandora's box, but the ...
      »Mike Fossil's 60's: So does the umpire make the out call or does the defense need to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Mike ... This is NOT an appeal play. The umpire may make that call at ...
16 Oct. 16, 2016 810

Umpire Hit by a Batted Ball

» SCUBA: SSUSA 2015-2016 Rulebook Section 9.1.X Dead Ball states "When a fair ...
      »BruceinGa: I agree with " live ball because the umpire was stationed beyond the ...
      »B94: I've always been of the understanding that the umpire is like dirt - ...
      »coop3636: It is a live ball since it was pass the infielders. Just a little ...
      »jl1919: What happens if a batted ball hits an umpire who is standing on the ...
      »rlspls1974: The real question is, if the ball carries over the fence off of the ...
      »DaveDowell: Nope ... But ONLY because it didn't clear the fence untouched ... ...
      »rlspls1974: Touche
      »rlspls1974: "Live ball" based on umpire's position in relation to feilders.
      »B.J.: Dave, would you count it as a HR if the batter was out of the box :)
      »coop3636: JL..it hit the pitchers glove so it is a live ball Dave Wrong ...
      »Garocket: Not sure about senior rules but all other rule book states that ball ...
      »DaveDowell: coop ... That was just a little joke between me and rlspls1974! ... ...
      »stick8: Unless SSUSA is different umpires are considered part of the field. ...
      »Garocket: Stick I think you are right in USSSA but in ASA, NSA,ISA if the ...
      »Garocket: Straight from the rule book SSUSA 9.2 THE BALL IS IN PLAY A. ...
      »Garocket: 9.1 X. When a fair ball strikes an umpire or base runner on fair ...
      »jl1919: Is the pitcher considered an infielder?
      »stick8: Garocket your right, I should have specified usssa. With the way ...
      »Garocket: The pitcher is not considered an infielder in this situation unless ...
      »B.J.: Stick....not so...I'm in front of the infielders all the ...
      »stick8: BJ I'm not certain it's safe to do that, besides I hate to be in any ...
      »OZ40: As a former umpire I always positioned myself somewhat behind the ...
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