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Stepping out of the front of the box?

» lowprofile: I have a big stride when I swing, I have been called out for stepping ...
      »BallPlayer35: lowprofile, I agree with you that this rule needs to go or adjust the ...
      »Bruster55: I agree get rid of the out of the box rule.Maybe it can be brought up ...
      »B.J.: lowprofile.. if any part of your foot when making contact with the ...
      »lowprofile: Ballplayer35 interesting interpretation of the box intended for ...
      »B.J.: lowprofile.. yes as long as some part of both feet are on the line of ...
      »k man: While you might not be happy with the front of the batters box, find ...
      »stever: Rather than changing the game, why don't you adjust your approach? ...
      »mad dog: tell me stever.....how about we let the pitcher throw any ...
      »bond_171513: Part of the problem is the inconsistency with the umpires. Those of ...
      »Wayne 37: Actually, if you have a whole foot out of the box when making contact ...
      »1jonsey: so are you saying that you see batters hits a softball with 1 foot in ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey itís not often but Iíve seen players hit with their front ...
      »1jonsey: stick8 really, wow, i've played and watched a lot of softball and ...
      »Wayne 37: I didn't say I've seen it in softball as I've very seldom umpired ...
      »lowprofile: Yo Stever, I was just inquiring about the front line as long as my ...
      »lowprofile: And just an FYI the one player who stepped clearly out of the ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey itís definitely rare but I have seen it. And it looks ugly. ...
      »OZ40: Stick falls out of bed hitting! The man is a machine! Phenomenal, ...
      »garyheifner: ALL the batter box lines should be eliminated. Most are gone by the ...
      »txnighttrain: The batter's box has plenty of room. Move back if you need more room ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gary, this is my opinion only, but I am inclined to agree with you. ...
      »lowprofile: Txnighttrain, you are correct in the aspect of the box being big ...
      »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, I always did the plate meetings for Coachie. I won't say ...
      »DCPete: The total size of the batters box is pretty irrelevant since only ...
24 Oct. 22, 2018 998

batters box

» outlaw44: As per lowprofile's comment about being called "out of the box" i ...
      »TimMcElroy: The batter's box is 3' wide by 7' long.
      »Garocket: That's 3 foot back from the middle of the plate abd 4 ft in front ...
      »lowprofile: Outlaw44 it does seem to be a umpires discretion weather he's going ...
      »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, I am pretty much not getting into the out of the box ...
      »Wayne 37: I think a great start would be the umpire making the batter get in ...
      »lowprofile: Hey Nanc, I agree with you totally that yes a rule is a rule and ...
      »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, yes, the rule should be enforced. That being said, if ...
7 Oct. 21, 2018 424

CHOPPED / TOMAHAWKED BALL

» dud: Cannot find "TOMAHAWKED" in rules....what is the difference between ...
      »lowprofile: My interpretation of a TOMAHAWKED ball is a ball being swung at above ...
      »Turbobob: Here is a youtube video link of a tomahawked ...
      »B.J.: to get a chopped ball call it would have to be blatanly done.. I've ...
      »B.J.: I should have added that a batter purposely hitting the top of the ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, I have never called it or seen it called either. I have seen a ...
      »Garocket: You have the chopped ball more in the young mans ball. The fast ...
      »Rick35: I have done tomahawked the ball few times....and I have seen some ...
      »B.J.: Rick.. as far as the bat making a complete swing around.. I have ...
      »Nancy Allen: dud, you will probably never find tomahawked in any set of rules. In ...
      »lowprofile: Hey Nancy, I have played tourney ball my entire adult life, I'm ...
      »Nancy Allen: lowprofile, thanks for the discussion. No, in my 31 years of ...
      »OZ40: Back in the day up here in Michigan we used to call that the "Ohio ...
      »TXTrouble3: Here in Texas...there is quiet a bit of "chopping"...but when I chop ...
      »SALSAKID49: A TOMAHAWK swing is a great Power Swing, I do it as needed. STOP THE ...
      »lowprofile: TX sounds like your describing a slap hit to me? thinking a chopped ...
      »Nancy Allen: Thanks, guys, I am finding this very informative. They just do not ...
      »doker: Hey guys the chop swing was used all the time in the late 70's and ...
      »Wayne 37: I never chopped at the ball, but I would take a slow full swing and ...
18 Oct. 20, 2018 877

enforcing the rules

» maskedman: Started watching a game on youtube.First batter walks to the plate ...
      »mad dog: finally......
      »DaveDowell: As one of the 13 members of the National Rules Committee charged with ...
2 Oct. 19, 2018 500

Major players on 75 AAA

» 4040club: Can a 75 AAA team have Major players on the roster ??
      »DaveDowell: Yes, they may have up to three (3) players who have 75-Major (or ...
1 Oct. 15, 2018 146

Rule: 1.27 ē FORCE OUT - FORCE PLAY

» B.J.: (b) If the forced runner, after touching the next base, retreats for ...
      »DaveDowell: It takes a pretty far-fetched hypothetical to fit, but let's try this ...
      »crusher: 1. Zero outs runner on 1st base 2. Batter 2 hits ground ball. ...
      »DaveDowell: crusher ... Please re-read B.J.'s question ... Your analysis ends ...
      »B.J.: lmao Thx. Dave.. I have to admit that was a good one.. and it's ...
      »DaveDowell: I resemble that remark on occasion, as well ...
      »Omar Khayyam: How about this. Runner on first. Shallow ball is hit to right field ...
      »B.J.: omar.. according to the rule the force out is reinstated so no tag ...
      »crusher: B.J. Yes l was definitely referring to the runner. Dave, sorry l ...
      »Wayne 37: Runners whether going to or retreating to a base must touch all bases ...
      »stick8: Had a similar situation in a conference usssa game a few years ...
      »ffdonnie: Well Dave, it happens. Witnessed it this year in a 50 and over ...
11 Oct. 12, 2018 436

Is this scenario a force out?

» Turbobob: We are a senior slow pitch local league, self-umpiring. This ...
      »DaveDowell: NOT a force out, but rather a "live ball appeal" and, accordingly a ...
      »B.J.: turbo.. this is in the book.. below is the rule for scoring of runs ...
      »Turbobob: Thanks Dave and B.J. During the game when this was happening, no ...
      »lb16: Turbobob - not trying to be an ass, but why would you think there was ...
      »Nancy Allen: lb16, in his defense, there are many expressions that are misused or ...
      »stick8: Turbobob, since you stated the outfielder caught the fly ball the ...
      »Turbobob: lb16, Nancy and stick8. Not having any time to consult the rule ...
      »B.J.: turbo.. your comment in your last post.. you are still confused on ...
      »B.J.: as far as (b) I'm trying to think of a scenario where a runner that ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, exactly. I was always taught in clinics that it is called a ...
      »B.J.: nancy.. i never use the word force play in my clinics in this ...
      »Nancy Allen: Ouch, you had to add the director qualification. Well, if he got to ...
      »B.J.: I hope you know who the director comment was for (DD)
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, I agree. Our clinics only used the term timing play in regards ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, that was my guess on director. He cringes when I use the term ...
      »Wayne 37: In the original post. Run scores because this is a time play and the ...
16 Oct. 10, 2018 543

Where in the rulebook...

» halfpint20: wherein the rulebook does it explain about RELEASING PLAYERS? There ...
      »halfpint20: Found it lol page 23, article 4.2(2) E
1 Oct. 6, 2018 149

Clarify rule when runners are on base

» Reyes21: I understand there are no leading off after the pitch, but this past ...
      »Nancy Allen: Reyes21, there was a very long discussion about this a couple of ...
      »DieselDan: Wouldn't the defense have to make an appeal first Nancy? Then, the ...
      »Nancy Allen: DieselDan, no, it is the umpire's call. It is a dead ball out (pitch ...
      »titanhd: The rule is to prevent leading off not for safety. I would think a ...
      »Nancy Allen: titanhd, the orange bag at 3B is kind of a joke on my part because of ...
      »stick8: Besides wearing body armor thereís nothing that will protect a runner ...
      »Nancy Allen: stick8, you are correct as always. I have rarely even seen a runner ...
      »stick8: Quick story: while jumping a tourney game several years ago some big ...
      »Nancy Allen: See, you jogged my tired memory again. Coachie and I were at Twin ...
      »B.J.: as stated above the runner must have contact with the bag until the ...
      »lowprofile: Just a thought about this, the line drawn adjacent to the bag sounds ...
      »Nancy Allen: Lowprofile, as BJ said you can get hit anywhere. There is also the ...
12 Oct. 5, 2018 330

Ruling for runner stepping on baseman's foot instead of the base?

» Turbobob: In our self umpiring local league, we had this situation. Runner ...
      »Wayne 37: The foot isn't part of the base. Runner out.
      »DaveDowell: I concur, without any need for further comment. Thanks, Wayne.
      »Wayne 37: The only way I would have the runner save was if the fielder was ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, are you sure that the runner continued to step only on the ...
      »Turbobob: Omar, I was the pitcher who caught the soft line drive and threw the ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, I am impressed with your tough guys!
      »Wayne 37: Just move your foot. Pushing is obstruction of the runner and could ...
7 Sept. 24, 2018 438

runner intentionally get hit by ball

» jfsully: Theoretical situation: Less than two outs and runners on first and ...
      »txnighttrain: If the runner intentionally interferes, the ball is dead, then the ...
      »B.J.: Hmmmm... that advice didn't seem to help someone else
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, I thought that same thing when I read it but decided not to be ...
      »jfsully: I guess I should have been more specific in saying WE know the answer ...
      »Nancy Allen: Jfsully, I hope that you did not think that BJ's or my comments were ...
      »jfsully: Nancy , no I guessed that there was another background issue. You ...
      »OmahaChuck: Let me ask one more question on this thread to throw a 'wrinkle' ...
      »lb16: If the runner running to third only jumps over ball to not get hit by ...
      »Wayne 37: They were talking about me. Immediate dead ball, runner out. ...
      »mck71: Wayne, you are letting your frustration with Nancy and BJ get to you. ...
      »B.J.: mck71.. thank you..
      »Nancy Allen: Yes, mck71, thank you.
      »Wayne 37: mck71, Why would I be frustrated? They've been wrong so many ...
      »Nancy Allen: I am sure that you thought that you were great in the maybe dozen ...
      »DaveDowell: Children, stop the bickering ... This is an extreme annoyance to the ...
      »softball4b: DD, please don't close the thread, I am unable to get The View at ...
      »Dbax: Now that's funny.
      »Wayne 37: There isn't really much left to say, softball4b. I've tried to help ...
      »B.J.: wayne, I have made mistakes many times on this board over the years ...
      »Wayne 37: When I've cited anything from baseball, I've used the term, "If rote ...
20 Sept. 20, 2018 969

Runner hit by batted ball

» D.Litch: I went back a year on this board but couldn't find this one... ...
      »Nancy Allen: I seem to remember a similar discussion in the last few months, but ...
      »B.J.: as Nancy said.. and that's why runners on 3rd should just toe the bag ...
      »Nancy Allen: Thank you. Absolutely. Hopefully we don't hear anything over that.
      »Wayne 37: mck71, see what I mean.......[insert huge sigh and face palm ...
      »DaveDowell: Children, stop the bickering! ... This is an extreme annoyance to the ...
      »softball4b: When my team forces me to play 1st or 3rd, I mean lets me play 1st or ...
      »marcster13: I am impressed that any runner at any age is able to have both feet ...
7 Sept. 19, 2018 452

underage player eligibility (75-79)

» 4040club: How many 73 or 74 year old players can be on the roster of a 75 team ...
      »DaveDowell: FIVE (5) underage players are allowed for 75+ Division teams ... ALL ...
1 Sept. 11, 2018 218

Whats the proper format?

» Rook29: OK here goes, Score tied at the end of 6 innings, time has expired ...
      »mck71: Did time expire as you were playing the 6th inning? Rule is as time ...
      »DaveDowell: "Monty, I'll take Door #2" ... Assuming mck71's factual description ...
      »coop3636: I actually agree with Dave this time.lol coop3636
      »DaveDowell: You're scaring me now coop ... You OK?
      »Pa: Dave i have 2 questions once you hit opening are all innings open ...
      »DaveDowell: Quick replies ... [1] Yes [2] I remember, but that would take Rules ...
      »Nancy Allen: Pa, I know that we all have different experiences and opinions, but I ...
      »Pa: Nancy it may of been league i am not sure but it was scmaf for sure ...
      »Pa: breaker
      »Nancy Allen: Pa, well I feel a little better, but I had to look up the acronym and ...
10 Aug. 30, 2018 401

what is the rule

» creins: 7th inning of a game. In the bottom of the 7th inning, Home team is ...
      »OmahaChuck: I don't have an answer but wouldn't it have been a good example of ...
      »DaveDowell: creins ... This is more an education on the importance of the Home ...
      »Nancy Allen: This is the reason that when I umpire that I make them call their ...
      »stick8: Creins, if itís confirmed the runner did in fact run for someone ...
      »Bob21: Well, a situation just like this occurred at the Rocky Mountain ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, right on, my friend. Really? I sure hope that you are ...
      »B.J.: sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with some of you.. I'm ...
      »Bob21: Yes Nancy Allen, same game. I play for a different team and we were ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, I do agree with you, and I do that for subs, but I honestly do ...
      »creins: There were two outs and it was the same 60 Major team game at Rocky ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. and Nancy ... While I DO completely agree with both of you about ...
      »B.J.: nancy.. I understand but it stops all the problems with relying on ...
      »Nancy Allen: Bob21, thank you. I shudder to think if it happened twice. At least ...
      »coop3636: Have official scorekeepers for all the games Then you have a book to ...
      »Nancy Allen: Coop3636, your intentions are great, but I have some stories about ...
      »coop3636: Nancy I have had those horror stories too, that's why we always keep ...
      »k man: Just curious, based on the conversation, is it the responsibility of ...
      »coop3636: It is up to the teams to protest the runner It is NOT the ump or ...
      »k man: Thanks coop
      »Wayne 37: I see this the same as an defensive appeal and if the umpire can't ...
      »Nancy Allen: Coop3636, I respectfully disagree. It is my call. It is automatic ...
      »Wayne 37: coop3636 ~ she needs to read 1.1 A (6) regarding illegal substitutes. ...
      »Nancy Allen: Perhaps if someone doesn't know how to use a rulebook, they should ...
      »B.J.: "SHE" did a good job..lol
      »B.J.: k man, Nancy is correct.. below is a section of the rule for ...
      »B.J.: Dave, flipping a coin??? everyone knows that is why they make ouija ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, I hope that you got as good of a laugh out of this as I did. I ...
27 Aug. 29, 2018 685

commitment line stepover standoff

» jfsully: The discussion about running to the commitment line, stopping and ...
      »B.J.: 1).. if the runner stops at the C/L the pitcher should cross over to ...
      »DaveDowell: IF I'm the Tournament/Field Director and IF the umpire were to call ...
      »k man: I would think that the impetus to force the situation would be on the ...
      »Joe H: Sorry for being a late responder. On May 12, the message board had ...
      »JohnBob: If the 3 baseman is next to runner standing at the commitment line he ...
      »Nancy Allen: Joe H, this is my opinion only. In 21 years of officiating senior ...
      »the car: Nancy on this the runner is stand at the line and is read to touch ...
      »MurrayW: I'm with JohnBob. Seems like a very easy play for a 3rd baseman who ...
      »Nancy Allen: the car, thanks I get that, but I think that even I could tag him ...
      »BruceAZ: My team has done this scenario twice in the last 2 years, a team mate ...
      »Nancy Allen: BruceAZ, it's probably not a good idea if you get ejected for the ...
      »MurrayW: Again, I don't see you this is a hard play for a 3rd baseman to make ...
      »MurrayW: how instead of you in the first sentence above.
      »JohnBob: Right on Murray if nothing else flake like you are going to tag him ...
      »Joe H: Forgive me all, but I guess I didn't get my point across. I've seen ...
      »The Screamer5: Joe H, I could be wrong but my interpretation of the commitment line ...
      »B.J.: Joe, I understand what you are trying to say but I think you are ...
      »stick8: JoeH in your example itís not so much the base runner must continue ...
      »Wayne 37: Just another poorly written rule as far as I'm concerned. Rule 8.1 ...
      »Nancy Allen: Darn, if someone could only read for comprehension and not what they ...
      »txnighttrain: I saw a funny thing happen at TOC one year. A team sent two runners ...
      »Wayne 37: Who knows what you mean. You don't write them you just enforce ...
      »B.J.: wayne... oooops you are WRONG AGAIN.. READ THE RULES..... runners ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, exactly. He keeps changing the subject to a foul ball. Really? ...
      »Wayne 37: Read all of 1.28, not just last sentence, Butch. I've explained that ...
      »Nancy Allen: I am wrong many times, but I can admit it. We tried to help you ...
      »Wayne 37: Just so you know, I ran this past a 5th grader and they fully ...
      »k man: Wayne, run this by your 5th grader Rule 8.4 (8) any runner can ...
      »B.J.: lol.. k man you just made his "smitty list"
      »TimMcElroy: You present yourself as a guy that is big on knowing the rules, yet ...
      »Wayne 37: Thank you k man. I overlooked it. The SSUSA rule book does leave ...
      »AJC: Wayne, it seems like a common theme here when you disagree with a ...
      »Wayne 37: Dear AJC, I don't need to work on my softball interpretations ...
      »Nancy Allen: AJC, you are a very nice man and hope to meet you some day. This guy ...
34 Aug. 24, 2018 1807

Intentional walk

» J R: Looking fort the rule governing a team declaring multiple walks to ...
      »B.J.: JR.. is this what you mean?? this is the only intentional walk rule ...
      »DaveDowell: J R ... Not sure what hypothetical fact pattern gives rise to your ...
      »J R: Thx. That is it I just overlooked it. The opposing pitcher said to ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, I have never had it happen in seniors but have had it happen to ...
      »Fred S: I've done it a few times in league play to take away the heart of the ...
      »DaveDowell: Thanks Nancy, I hadn't thought about that one ... But I'm not ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, you know that I am the sweetest umpire ever until a player ...
      »Reggie4's: The Best Umpires are those that let the PLAYERS determine (by their ...
      »RALEIGH: Nancy you seem like a very level headed and intelligent individual, ...
      »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, thank you for the kind words. I have been involved with ...
10 Aug. 22, 2018 946

Proper Appeal

» Wayne 37: The rule book tells what you can and when you can appeal. However I ...
      »B.J.: wayne... try asking Smitty.. he should know.. or maybe the guy that ...
      »Wayne 37: That's why asking you, Smitty. If you don't know, just say so and ...
      »txnighttrain: There are two ways to make an appeal: First a live ball appeal: ...
      »Wayne 37: Now you've confused me with the dead ball appeal when you say the ...
4 Aug. 22, 2018 320

what is the ruling?

» gonz: watched a game this weekend. In our league you are allowed one HR per ...
      »coop3636: It is an out because they were out of homeruns. (and it should have ...
      »DaveDowell: coop3636 is correct ... It's an excess HR, making it an out under ...
      »coop3636: Dave Nice catch...(pun intended) I will be more specific next ...
      »gonz: coop and Dave, thank you for the response. the call was overturned to ...
4 Aug. 21, 2018 388

Hitter Not Running

» shortstop33: base loaded no outs batter hits ball in to out, which is clearly a ...
      »grayhitter59: an out is recorded and the run scores, if it's the 5th run end of ...
      »B.J.: your UIC is correct.. I don't like that the rule is written this way ...
      »k man: Wow! This comes under the category of you learn something new ...
      »Duke: We have so many ridiculous rules in senior softball, and this is just ...
      »shortstop33: What is different than him hitting a sac fly. If he just stands at ...
      »shortstop33: Also once the winning run or 5/7 has scored the inning or game is over
      »Duke: If a sac fly situation occurs, then the batter-runner does not have ...
      »Wayne 37: Well, ain't another one for the ages. This situation is called ...
      »B.J.: the way the scenario is worded is that the out at 1st base came AFTER ...
      »B.J.: k man as far as ASA I believe they consider this an appeal play (time ...
      »grayhitter59: Stupid, stupid rule, needs to change, what if the guy was slow ...
      »Wayne 37: This is not an appeal play. It is a timing play. OUTS ARE CALLED IN ...
      »stick8: Seems weird to me. Iíd like to know what the intent of this rule is. ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, this is just a guess on my part because all associations used ...
      »B.J.: wayne lmao... again read your "SSUSA RULE BOOK" I posted the rule ...
      »stick8: Nancy8, the only scenario where I can see a batter doing this is if ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, as I recall it used to be in both ASA and NSA, I but checked ...
      »Wayne 37: I've been waiting for your thinly vailed pot shot Nancy because you ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, in the scenario I gave, it was an NSA game. We had talked ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. again you are wrong and reading the rule the way you want ...
      »Wayne 37: From what I've been recently led to believe, a base on balls is a ...
      »Garocket: Wayne sounds like you might know Baseball but not so much about ...
      »Wayne 37: Garocket, I'll put it like this, baseball and their rules were ...
      »B.J.: wayne, you are correct.. but even though the rules needed some ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, there have been a lot of rules over the years that were written ...
      »Wayne 37: Sigh........I brought up the instance of a "dropped third strike" to ...
      »Wayne 37: Sorry for all the typos. Trying to post from my phone. This place ...
      »B.J.: I think it's obvious why SSUSA has explained the foul tip rule.. ...
      »Wayne 37: Nope, just not necessary if you're going to kill the play anyway and ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, excellent point. You made me realize that I forgot that there ...
      »Wayne 37: Nancy Allen writes: SSUSA has one of the better written rulebooks ...
      »B.J.: well the good thing is that you have finally decided to read the ...
      »Nancy Allen: Looks like someone needs to learn how to use a Venn Diagram. Not all ...
      »Wayne 37: Would it be to much to ask for you make a Venn Diagram power point ...
34 Aug. 20, 2018 1167
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