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2 different levels in the same bracket in a TOC

» tall_thunder: I know sometimes in a TOC, that 2 different skill levels or age ...
      »Uncle Mike: The same thing happened in Kingman with 60 Major and 60 Major +. We ...
1 April 19, 2019 178

Courtesy Runners When the Team Bats Around

» jgoff5113: Question for you experts out there: We all know that a player can ...
      »DaveDowell: NOPE ... A courtesy runner may run only one time per inning ... The ...
      »jgoff5113: Thank-you, Dave. I had never heard this exception-to-the-rule, and ...
      »DaveDowell: Sort of like the Farmers Insurance ad series, "..we seen a few things ...
3 April 16, 2019 530

PLEASE CHANGE THIS RULE!!

» Bruster55: Over the weekend in the 55 Major division @ the Spring Worlds in Bull ...
      »k man: I could be wrong but I thought the rule when a guy is out of the ...
      »TimMcElroy: k man- If a player leaves the game due to injury with no available ...
      »TimMcElroy: Bruster55- In your view, obliterating the front of the box may ...
      »JackZ_SLC: Maybe if the boxes were all set the same in relation to the mat it ...
      »Bruster55: Yes, if all the umpires did enforce the rule it might be more ...
      »coop3636: Please add this to the rule... You can NOT walk a batter to get to ...
      »Benji4: If the umpire was worth a crap he wouldn't need any lines to ...
      »Wayne 37: coop3636, I've never played where the player was ejected, injured ...
      »Wayne 37: Benji4, They used to give a warning I believe. I think ...
      »DaveDowell: Here's a "re-post" of my comment taken from a thread that originated ...
      »Jon44: This ruling definitely made it's way around Bullhead City portion of ...
      »coop3636: For Wayne Quote from SPA rule book "If a team has less than the ...
      »lowprofile: I agree with JackZ, The back of the box is almost even with the back ...
      »cycleman: There is a diagram of the batter's box and it's position relative to ...
      »Bruster55: All good feedback.It FOR SURE was not deliberate in any way.Hopefully ...
      »mck71: Bruster - Send your comments regarding the rule in an email to ...
      »Bigboy97xp: I was an umpire in Kingman for this tournament and made this rule ...
17 March 27, 2019 1443

Team ratings

» Funwiththesuns: How can a team with major players get rated AAA rating? Doesn't ...
      »DaveDowell: SSUSA thoroughly evaluates all rosters for both new and existing ...
      »TimMcElroy: We must be getting close to opening day.
      »DaveDowell: Yep, Tim! ... It's that time of year when teams should spend about ...
      »pizzaboy: Since we're on the subject of ratings I have a question about ...
      »Ozone8: And another rating question please... Is it permissible for a ...
      »DaveDowell: pizzaboy ... We don't normally discuss specific teams here, but I can ...
      »DaveDowell: Ozone8 ... A Player's HIGHEST rating experience history determines ...
      »pizzaboy: Dave I'm glad you mentioned that the tournament was rain shortened ...
      »DaveDowell: pizzaboy ... NOW I remember you guys! (and it's in interesting ...
      »Ozone8: Thanks for confirming that, Dave.
      »southerinman: Is there a way for a player to find his rating index? I don't see it ...
      »lb16: southerinman - It's pretty simple whats the highest rated team you ...
      »DaveDowell: lb16 is correct, with a couple of clarifications ... It's the [1] ...
      »southerinman: The team I played with started at 55M last. It was Chi Town 55's with ...
      »DaveDowell: Southerinman ... The Chi Town 55's team was formed in early 2017 and ...
      »2bornot2b: Dave. How does SSUSA know that a player is trying to "sit it out?" I ...
      »DaveDowell: 2beornot2b ... We normally discover it after the fact ... The usual ...
      »Ozone8: Dave, As a follow up to your original answer to my question, what ...
      »DaveDowell: Ozone8 ... The SSUSA office staff checks every player on every roster ...
      »Ozone8: Got it. Thanks, Dave.
      »neck10: dont back up take a complete walk around ur car before u back up just ...
21 March 18, 2019 1618

Appeal Rule and Scoring

» retired2013: Player running to a base misses that base while advancing. An appeal ...
      »coop3636: If there are less than 2 outs, the runner who missed the base is out ...
      »DaveDowell: retired2013 ... coop3636's analysis is correct in his first line of ...
      »stick8: Retired2013, can you describe the actual play?
      »coop3636: Dave The appeal has to come after play has stopped. I have never ...
      »DaveDowell: coop3636 ... Correct, on the 1st two lines as it relates to a dead ...
      »Wayne 37: How about the Rule Maven give us something about multiple appeal ...
      »DaveDowell: Your wish may be granted (temporarily) ... I think I see a "Rules ...
      »B.J.: lol again I'll assume you mean me and for once you are correct .. I ...
      »Wayne 37: I asked the question. You're the one who answers it. Isn't the way ...
      »B.J.: well if you are looking for an example of a multiple appeal on the ...
      »Wayne 37: Kudos BJ, you have impeccable cut and paste skills. Would be nice if ...
      »stick8: Wayne37, I have 2 outs on that play.
      »Wayne 37: Correct stick8. Appeals aren't time plays, live or dead. I ...
13 March 13, 2019 598

Where do I sign up?

» Wayne 37: And I say maybe you should consider attending the National Rules ...
      »B.J.: LMAO.. wayne.. I'm not sure if you are talking to me? but if you are ...
      »DaveDowell: You sign up for the convention through the SSUSA office (and later ...
      »TimMcElroy: 99.9% of the membership appears to understand why the rule ...
      »Wayne 37: Stop locking every thread would be a nice start. You wouldn't have ...
      »DaveDowell: We close threads for a variety of reasons, most often for [1] ...
5 March 4, 2019 461

Interference/Obstruction or Other

» BillC48: Interesting scenario happened in our community league. Runners on ...
      »DaveDowell: BillC48 ... There's a lot to consider in this circumstance, but here ...
      »BillC48: Dave- thanks for a very thorough and detailed answer. One other ...
      »B.J.: BillC.. the runner does not have to move and Dave did cover that ...
      »Wayne 37: .. The runner, as the manager asserts, has NO obligation to vacate ...
      »Dbax: The question had already been answered twice.
      »B.J.: lmao... hmmm ... I think someone has forgotten to take his meds... ...
      »AJC: Thread closed in 3....2....1.....lol
      »stick8: BillC48 in the original scenario the manager who argues his runner ...
8 March 3, 2019 454

Interference or incidental contact?

» cuda65: In a Senior league,55 and older, no sliding : Runner on first base, ...
      »stick8: BJ can correctly articulate the actual rule but its my understanding ...
      »B.J.: cuda65 .. no a double play call is not automatic with an interference ...
      »Bigboy97xp: If this is a ssusa event in this situation the umpire has the option ...
      »HJ: Disagree with BigBoy. Your interpretation is batter is out if the ...
      »Wayne 37: 8.6 Not applicable to the original scenario and it doesn't matter if ...
      »B.J.: HE'S BACK... again please read the rule book.. and if you disagree ...
      »Bigboy97xp: HJ I take pride in being an ssusa umpire and know the rules I don't ...
      »Bigboy97xp: I meant a double play not as
      »stick8: If in the umpires judgement the runners collision with the defensive ...
      »B.J.: stick8.. the only time I would call a runner out who "SLID" into 2nd ...
      »N ID: B.J. you are absolutely correct it should not be interference if a ...
      »B.J.: N ID.. there is nothing an umpire can do if a runner stands straight ...
      »Bigboy97xp: B.J. I agree except if the runner going from first to second ...
      »B.J.: Bigboy.. yes, but to get an intentional interference call I would ...
      »Wayne 37: For someone whose catch phrase is read the rulebook, I say take your ...
      »Bigboy97xp: Wayne 37 all organizations basically have the same rule with similar ...
      »Wayne 37: Bigboy97xp, Interference is an immediate dead ball. I believe as ...
      »stever: Wayne37...just a question, why does it seem whenever a rule ...
      »PoollShark: Slide or avoid contact has always been what I thought the rule is. ...
      »B.J.: Wayne.. interference by team personal is not a delayed dead ball as ...
      »stick8: Cuda65, since there is no sliding in your league, heres a suggestion ...
      »Omar Khayyam: stick8, our senior league has the same run-through rule and it has ...
      »Wayne 37: stever, what do you mean by dissenting? BJ....I gave some ...
      »Bigboy97xp: Wayne37 what I was inferring to was in some organizations when an ...
      »B.J.: wayne, I agree that a coach assisting a runner is a delayed dead ball ...
      »Wayne 37: I understand what you're saying Bigboy97xp. SSUSA For some reason ...
      »B.J.: wayne, yes.. you are correct 9.2 gives you live ball and delayed dead ...
      »B.J.: Bigboy.. just for info on the player closest to home being called ...
      »txnighttrain: Intereference is an immediate dead ball. The actions of the runner or ...
      »stick8: Omar thats precisely how our league worked. Being an indoor league ...
      »B.J.: nighttrain.. yes INT. is an immediate dead ball and the offensive ...
      »Bigboy97xp: B.J. I believe that is what I said
      »Wayne 37: So coach's interference doesn't come under the definition of ...
      »B.J.: wayne, yes there can be coaches INT. which would be an immediate ...
      »Wayne 37: You don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.....again.
      »DaveDowell: Well, that's enough of the personal attacks on this one, too ... ...
36 March 2, 2019 1321

foul tip question

» Larry S: In our senior league we have modified the foul tip rule to read that ...
      »DaveDowell: Larry S ... Here are the relevant sections from the 2019-20 Official ...
      »Garocket: The foul tip rule for years was in softball a foul tip had to go ...
      »DaveDowell: ▲ ▲ ▲ Nailed it on how different rules and ...
      »firemanfred: Look at ASA rules supplement,it was changed years ago, does not have ...
      »txnighttrain: However, if you read new rule, it says a foul tip may now count as ...
      »firemanfred: So your saying if a batter has a strike, then a foul tip caught clean ...
      »DaveDowell: Simply stated A "foul tip" is considered a "waste foul" in games ...
      »firemanfred: Games with a 1-1 start basically is a 3-2 count correct? I understand ...
      »firemanfred: Guess I better get a new rule book.... :)
      »B.J.: firemanfred.. yes .. below is the rule 1.29 FOUL TIP A foul ...
      »firemanfred: Got it, forgot some of our tornament start with 0-0 count,, my ...
      »Wayne 37: I say just do away with 1.29. It is already defined in 1.28 as merely ...
      »DaveDowell: And I say maybe you should consider attending the National Rules ...
13 March 2, 2019 779

Recent Palm Springs Tournament - One & One Count with one to waste.

» baseballbill: We are a 70's team and just completed playing in this tournament. It ...
      »SCRAPPY: We play mostly SSUSA and are a 70 Major Team. We played ...
      »DaveDowell: Gentlemen ... Two EXCELLENT arguments on the flip sides of the same ...
      »baseballbill: Mr Scrappy: WE also play 70 Major "Ponchos" and mostly play ...
      »baseballbill: Dave: What were the reasons for the 1 & 1 count with one to waste ...
      »DaveDowell: baseballbill ... A little over a year ago (December, 2017), we sent a ...
      »baseballbill: Dave: I think SSUSA should take the lead on giving stats on the 1 & 1 ...
      »DaveDowell: baseballbill ... Not sure what "stats" you may envision, but here's ...
      »NYGNYY: At 65 and playing almost every inning I am OK with playing 6 instead ...
      »baseballbill: Dave: That's the Stat I'm looking for, 90-95% of games go 7 ...
      »DaveDowell: bbb ... I'm not aware of any specific previous "0-0" count ...
      »baseballbill: Dave: Thanks for the input!!! If nothing changes, the 0-0 count will ...
      »bbullet: I agree with SCRAPPY. And as a player now playing 70's I agree with ...
      »baseballbill: Hey Guys: Yes, I am currently a pitcher but only been pitching for 1 ...
      »Omar Khayyam: My 80s team also played in the Palm Springs Tournament with the 1-1 ...
      »DieselDan: O. K.: All batters, other than lead off, should have a good read on ...
      »swing for the fences : Getting a read... 18 mph underhand... what's He got? LOL
      »baseballbill: You just cant teach old dogs new tricks. I always wonder if the older ...
      »Jawood: Don't think we'll ever come to a consensus with the 1-1, 0-0 count ...
      »baseballbill: I think it would make sense for SSUSA to track the 60's(1&1)and ...
      »DaveDowell: bbb ... It's highly unlikely we are going to expend any resources on ...
      »NYGNYY: BBB give it a break What else do you need to hear.?
      »OZ40: My nephew plays in a league and their games always end on time. They ...
      »curveball: For the very greatest part, SSUSA Tournaments stay on schedule for ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Curveball, if you are talking about the Palm Springs tournament, I ...
      »curveball: I am Omar. Our group only used 2 fields, right next to each other. ...
      »swing for the fences : Omar, saving time is not the reason for 1 and 1 count(all games have ...
      »swing for the fences : wait.. not weight LOL
      »baseballbill: swing for the fences: YOU GET IT !!!!!! Its surprising to me how ...
      »Mason's Grandpa: I also played in Palm Springs this year. What I noticed this year i ...
      »ffdonnie: Geez guys relax. It's a little back-yarder in January. I look forward ...
      »swing for the fences : I agree %100 with FFDonnie! total backyard, get some swings and ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Mason's Grandpa and ffdonnie both make good points. This tournament ...
32 Feb. 6, 2019 1642

Players ratings

» Mikel: Is a player who is rated as a 65 major player counted as a chip on a ...
      »DaveDowell: Nope. Identical player experience history rating index.
      »Mikel: Dave, I don't understand the answer completely, "Identical player ...
      »chico senior: Mikel - Click on tournaments at top of page. Then click on rules. ...
      »BH44: Dave - What would a 55 Major+ player be considered on a 50 AAA team ...
      »DaveDowell: Mikel ... chico senior referred you to the right place ... A 65-Major ...
      »Papajoe56: Dave, If I understand correctly a 65 Major player could drop down to ...
      »DaveDowell: Yes, IF he is otherwise eligible as to residency and the entirety of ...
      »Seattle Stray Dog: So, I'm just wondering how you find out what your rating is. Is it ...
      »DaveDowell: Seattle Stray Dog ... The SSUSA does NOT rate individual players, but ...
9 Jan. 31, 2019 1202

Base runner tagging up on a bobbled fly ball to the outfield.

» Turbobob: Scenario is less than 2 outs, base runner on 3rd base. Fly ball to ...
      »Frischd44: From my understanding, once it hit's the glove the runner has the ...
      »DaveDowell: We concur with Frischd44 ... __________ Rulebook 8.4(8) WHEN ...
      »stick8: Turbo bob, legal tag. On a fly ball (with less than 2 outs) a runner ...
      »DieselDan: I might have this wrong, but I believe this rule changed from control ...
      »Wayne 37: On a ball over foul territory, the fielder has to complete the act of ...
      »mad dog: wayne....but yet the runner can still take off on the first touch ...
      »Dbax: Oh no. It's Deja Vu all over again. Mad Dog you are correct.
      »lb16: It's amazing how someone will try and twist the words around in the ...
      »Nancy Allen: mad dog, you are correct. Whether the ball is fair or foul is not ...
      »Wayne 37: What's even more amazing is I get my information from umpires who ...
      »B.J.: lol... I have an idea for you, read the SOFTBALL rule book and stop ...
      »stick8: Wayne37 Im not certain what you posted in your first message is 100% ...
      »Wayne 37: I'll break it down one more time for everyone. The rule always said ...
      »DaveDowell: ** THREAD CLOSED ** Due to [1] Question already asked and answered ...
14 Jan. 19, 2019 995

Base runner struck by batted ball : Changed Rule

» Fearless Freep: I am perplexed by one of the changes that came out of December's ...
      »DaveDowell: Fearless ... Looks as though the Rulebook editor (that would be me!), ...
      »Wayne 37: before it passes an infielder (excluding the pitcher), the ball is ...
2 Jan. 18, 2019 642

Interference by a base runner ?????

» baseballbill: Base runner on 1st base and the infield is deep with the pitcher ...
      »B.J.: bbb.. this is a judgement call by the umpire.. but as you described ...
1 Jan. 11, 2019 259

drop down box for rules under the title TOURNAMENTS

» cannon: Need to fix the drop down box under TOURNAMENTS = it disappears when ...
      »DaveDowell: Ummmm, it's supposed to! ... Because when you click on RULES, it ...
      »cannon: Ummmmm, it won't let you CLICK on rules!
      »DaveDowell: I just tried it on six different computers and two phones in the ...
      »TimMcElroy: cannon- I think that I see what you problem is. Try this: Put ...
      »cannon: Nope, didn't work. Someone else in discussions had the same problem. ...
      »B.J.: cannon.. yes all the top row that have icons below are hard to get to ...
      »MartyM: Simple reason is your browser Zoom is a bit too high. Just try a ...
      »TexasTransplant: canon, I have the same problem on my Mac. Prompted by your post, I ...
      »k man: canon, I also had the same problem about a month ago. I noticed that ...
      »T.C.Sr.: Same problem here. But did what Tim said and while that tab was still ...
      »Nancy Allen: I know that we talked about this a few other times. It just won't ...
11 Jan. 10, 2019 432

Number of Eligible Players?

» cannon: How many 78's and 79's are allowed for 2019 on an 80 team? How many ...
      »DaveDowell: 80+ teams may have up to SEVEN players under age 80, with not more ...
      »cannon: Thanks, Dave This also falls in line with our NorCal Ass'n rules.
      »DaveDowell: cannon ... I believe that conformance is the NCSSA's intent ... Our ...
3 Jan. 8, 2019 193

Help settle player eligibility issue

» curveball: Player plays entire season at the 75 Major Plus level. The following ...
      »Lefty: That's a good question. I'd like to know the answer.
      »missouridave: As is always the case, the best way to get the correct answer is to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: YES he may play 70-AAA after receiving his release from the 70-Major ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Forgot to mention the actual rule that governs the original question ...
      »MurrayW: Please help me clarify this for me. In the example above, the 75 ...
      »DaveDowell: MurrayW ... Please take a look at the "Team Rating Index" chart ...
      »MurrayW: Thanks Dave, that's what I thought it was but was just a little ...
7 Jan. 7, 2019 614

Courtesy runner

» Wayne 37: 8.5(5) COURTESY RUNNER OFFICIALLY IN THE GAME A courtesy ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. i think you meant that you CAPITALIZED.. or maybe you need ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... This one was pretty simple ... At the 2016 Rules Committee ...
      »stick8: Wayne37 youre pretty much spot on. I dont umpire senior ball as ...
      »B.J.: Dave, I think a bigger change in the rule is that a C/R can only be ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. - I agree on the second sentence (A courtesy runner may enter ...
      »B.J.: Dave, (. A few umpires actually heard/saw the CR announce, waited ...
      »stick8: BJ, youre correct about the first pitch to the next batter, thats ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... In every Manager Meeting I have either chaired or ...
      »stick8: Yes, that sounds about right. It helps to have an alert ...
      »Sisavic: Dave, Please clarify this statement/rule. "A courtesy runner ...
      »Wayne 37: I understand about the reporting to and being acknowledged by the ...
      »B.J.: sisavic.. yes a runner can get a CR with every new batter.. BEFORE ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. sorry, I don't think a decoder ring would help.. especially ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... "..I can say I've seen an illegal courtesy runner entered ...
      »B.J.: lol Dave, that's why they $PAY$ you the big money and I will try ...
      »stick8: Dave that must have been a wild scene!! As an umpire and a hs ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... I wrestled with that later, since I now believe it was a ...
      »stick8: Dave, its not an appeal play per se but the effect can be the same. ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ does it most correctly by making notes on the runners; I fail on ...
      »Wayne 37: I see the Grinch is back in town. I've raised my questions because ...
      »Wayne 37: Sorry, just trying to have a civil discussion on the wording of the ...
      »Nancy Allen: No need to apologize. You started a couple of threads on rules that ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Looks like maybe a case of excessive picking at nits here, ...
      »Wayne 37: Wasn't apologizing to you. Was apologizing to the board. Besides, ...
      »Wayne 37: Sorry again, Dave. You posted before I did. I understand. I just ...
      »DaveDowell: No worries, Wayne ... We'll "all in" on improving performance and ...
      »Wayne 37: Not a problem there, Dave. I just know it's hard to get experienced ...
27 Dec. 27, 2018 1053

Purpose of the rule

» Wayne 37: I don't understand the purpose of this rule nor why it exists in the ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Let's start with an accurate statement of the rule ...
      »Wayne 37: I copied the new rule amendment. I guess some of it didn't ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Thanks for the input, both previous and current ... The ...
      »curty: At Worlds @ Vegas a few years ago the following occurred: bases ...
      »stick8: Curry that is a heads up play on your part!! With no outs Id be ...
      »curty: stick- we had already discussed going 2nd to 1st to home- confident ...
      »Wayne 37: Two questions. Did F5 tag the runner going to 3B as stepping on 2B ...
      »curty: Wayne- 3rd baseman tagged runner about 15' in front of base with ...
8 Dec. 27, 2018 1172
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SSUSA NATIONAL RULES COMMITTEE 2018 Annual Meeting Minutes

» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2018 SSUSA ...
      »SSUSA Staff: RULEBOOK AMENDMENTS 2018 Technical Language Changes The link ...
      »SSUSA Staff: OFFICIAL 2019-20 SSUSA RULEBOOK ONLINE The 2019-20 electronic ...
2 Dec. 18, 2018 2508
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