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Intentional walk used to nulify a dominate hitter.

» franjan: Our team has a strong hitter with power. He is usually pitched very ...
      »STL0: Consistently not pitching to someone in league play is pretty crappy. ...
      »Ollie4: Most pitchers are ego driven and the most difficult to deal with on ...
      »franjan: The problem with that is the pitcher is not always their best hitter ...
      »DaveDowell: franjan ... I suspect Ollie4 wasn't considering (nor would I) how ...
      »Turbo 34: I can't stand when they won't pitch strikes to the hitter and throw ...
      »grayhitter59: in south Florida we have a league that if a batter weather ...
      »curveball: Our league made that simple, no batter walks. If the batter gets 4 ...
      »stick8: Franjan the solution to your problem is to have two strong hitters ...
      »MurrayW: Intentionally walking the opposition, even if it isn't their best ...
      »stick8: MurrayW, could that person you described been Mike Hargrove? 😀
      »DRB22: I played with a pick-up team several months back. Format was 4 ...
      »ChiPrimeMarty: In Senior tournaments if a hitter is so dominant he gets ...
      »Michael Plunkett: Insofar as this discussion group is about rules not your feelings I ...
      »garyheifner: CURVEBALL--I LIKE YOUR LEAGUE'S WAY TO HANDLE THE SITUATION
      »Slammers28: I'm just coming back from a long battle of illnesses, 3 years to get ...
15 April 10, 2021 1319

Infield fly not called

» 1jonsey: Runners on first and second batter hits a pop up toward third base, ...
      »lb16: Umpire should move runners back to the base they were on when infield ...
      »MB SG #1: 1jonsey When the in field fly rule is in effect the batter ...
2 April 9, 2021 289

Mercy Rule

» Lumberjack16: The statements about the new Mercy Rule is confusing. In the ...
      »DaveDowell: You don't appear to read the rule correctly ... There is now a "Mercy ...
1 April 4, 2021 353

Where to find the rules

» Handyman5: I'm new to this site. I'm in charge of knowing the rules on our team. ...
      »Turning2: in the tool bar at top of this website, click on Tournaments, then ...
1 April 1, 2021 87

Scoring line

» Randall: We had a game this week where there was a runner on 3B. The batter ...
      »B.J.: Randall.. the scoring line has nothing to do with the call unless he ...
      »B.J.: Randall i should have wrote... unless he was tagged BEFORE he touched ...
      »Turning2: Randall - two questions about this play, were you the umpire or the ...
      »Randall: The runner was never tagged. There was no play on him whatsoever. He ...
      »B.J.: this is why I do not like a scoring line unless the line is the width ...
      »Turning2: Randall, once again, no one on your team saw the runner turn and go ...
      »Randall: Thank you!
      »stick8: Randall to answer your question from 4 posts above: Yes, the ...
8 March 30, 2021 448

Batters box

» 1swellguy: A batter who has one foot outside the batter's box before striking ...
      »DaveDowell: If you are asking, in effect, if a "Ty Cobb at-bat" is legal (front ...
      »Turning2: 1swellguy - Ty Cobb never hit a ball with his front foot still in the ...
2 March 22, 2021 343

I'm sure I got it wrong---What would be the right call

» franjan: Nobody on base. The Batter hits a ground ball to 2nd baseman who ...
      »DieselDan: Intentionally kicked the ball?
      »B.J.: per your OP the runner beat the throw and did not advance on the ...
      »franjan: B.J. Your view of the action needed to be taken makes sense although ...
      »B.J.: franjan.. yes you are correct.. "IF" the runner had tried to advance ...
      »Michael Plunkett: That of course is defensive interference. The consequences of ...
      »DCPete: The Umpire's job is to make their call based on what actually ...
      »Nancy Allen: Franjan, is the coach a base coach or a defensive coach?
      »B.J.: Michael, I don't think this scenario had anything to do with a ...
      »Nancy Allen: Hi, B.J. I read the scenario as base coach. Then I saw Michael's ...
      »stick8: In all the years I’ve umpired tournament ball I’ve never had a case ...
      »Michael Plunkett: My mistake, but there are offensive players that do obstacle by ...
      »Michael Plunkett: In this case the offensive intentional kicked ball with intent to ...
      »Michael Plunkett: Being intentional wouldn’t this actually be offensive obstruction, I ...
      »B.J.: Michael... INTERFERENCE is on the offense... OBSTRUCTION is on the ...
14 March 16, 2021 852

When sliding is NOT an option

» Randall: Rule 8.6 states that a player must do whatever is possible to avoid a ...
      »B.J.: randall.. it depends on where the fielder was positioned awaiting the ...
      »Donna McGuire: There is a fine line between obstruction and interference on some ...
      »Randall: The defender was not blocking the base. The runner could have avoided ...
      »B.J.: randall.. you've been given plenty of insight and had the rule ...
      »stick8: Randall, It sounds like you made the right call but I’d have to see ...
      »Turning2: Randall - you made the correct call, good job, runner is out based ...
      »stick8: Turning2, the sentence after my scenarios reads: “these are strictly ...
      »DaveDowell: I'm going to hook my wagon to the horse that has about 80 times as ...
      »B.J.: turning2.. you have a right to your opinion on INT or OBS but I do ...
      »Turning2: stick8, DaveDowell, B.J. - looks and sounds like you guys have been ...
      »B.J.: turning2 yes you are correct we have been around for a while.. and ...
      »Turning2: B.J. - good answer and info, thx. I’m not versed on the base being a ...
      »B.J.: T2.. it's just good to have a NICE debate back and forth looking ...
      »stick8: Turning2 I understand and agree with most of what you say. There’s ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 - We’re getting there and the discussions are fun. So for me, ...
      »stick8: Youre fortunate you have the ability to do that Turning2. Not many at ...
      »Michael Plunkett: I have to make one comment about the local rules that sometimes allow ...
      »B.J.: Michael.. I don't believe SSUSA will do that since they basically ...
      »Michael Plunkett: That you BJ but I was referring to OTHER THAN AVOIDING A ...
19 March 16, 2021 876

Rule interpretation

» franjan: HI, In our local senior softball league in an attempt to reduce the ...
      »stick8: Interesting situation. First and foremost I’d have to read the entire ...
      »AJC: Franjan, our local club also has in place the rule where you can run ...
      »B.J.: as stick mentioned the actual wording of the rule is important.. I ...
      »Turning2: ++ agree with stick8 and BJ, how the rule is written will be the ...
      »DCPete: Particularly on a play at 3B, the ball is probably coming in behind ...
      »AJC: Gee DC Pete, thats what i was trying to say. Lol. As usual BJ & ...
      »franjan: Thanks all for your input. There is no difinitive wording in our run ...
      »stick8: Franjan based on what you’ve posted here it appears to me (again I’d ...
      »AJC: Stick8, it sounds like we have pretty much the same rules as Franjan. ...
      »stick8: AJC, many moons ago I played in an indoor winter league which had the ...
      »Michael Plunkett: The Run By Rule that some locals use is the stupidest rule ...
11 March 12, 2021 626

How to handle ejected player

» warren60: I would like clarification on the ejected player rule. If there ...
      »TimMcElroy: SSUSA rule- If a player is ejected, he / she can be replaced with a ...
      »MB SG #1: The Huntsman World Senior Games (that will resume this year and will ...
      »B.J.: MB...I'm not sure on their exact rules... but it could be that a ...
      »MB SG #1: B.J....You are correct in that respect. Their (HWSG) rules state ...
      »MB SG #1: B.J....You are correct in that respect. Their (HWSG) rules state ...
      »B.J.: MB .. well that seems harsh if you are batting more than 10.. I could ...
      »MB SG #1: B.J. The Huntsman Games with no border restrictions usually is ...
7 March 9, 2021 512

Explanation please

» BillMine: Can someone please explain to me how 2 players that played 2 years ...
      »DaveDowell: Please call the Sacramento Office at (916) 326.5303 during weekday ...
      »BillMine: No one is dealing in hypotheticals or "what ifs" these are facts. Two ...
      »BillMine: I'm not trying to be combative. I'm just pointing out that it makes ...
      »DaveDowell: OK, since you aren't giving a lot of indication that you're going to ...
      »BillMine: Well Dave since you didn't take the time to read my previous ...
      »BillMine: Like I said I don't want to be combative. Maybe my example will never ...
      »DaveDowell: So, let's get to the heart of the matter ... [1] You are incorrect on ...
      »BillMine: I apologize for being incorrect on the sponsor exemption. The 20 year ...
      »TimMcElroy: Here's the thing that you may not understand. SSUSA tries to protect ...
      »Fabe: Mahalo for all that SSUSA does! There is no perfect system, but they ...
      »DaveDowell: Bill ... Nothing is "fool proof" because, well, fools are so damn ...
      »HSquared: Tim/Dave……Using the statement, “SSUSA tries to protect the teams at ...
      »DaveDowell: H² ... You're not in need of "too much edge-a-katin" on this ... The ...
13 March 5, 2021 1114

SAFE or OUT

» alan--23: I had a play today the batter beat out an infield hit but never ...
      »Wayne 37: To be honest, some rulesets will do it the way you did it, as a ...
      »B.J.: a runner advancing to and passing any base is presumed to have ...
      »Wayne 37: Huh?!?!? alan-23, The mechanic you used is acceptable. You are ...
      »stick8: Interesting situation! When a runner totally misses a base that ...
      »B.J.: Wayne.. you posted (If you should use a signal,that signal should be ...
      »UMP AR: I agree with B.J.
      »stick8: BJ, would that nullify a dead ball appeal in situation alan23 posted?
      »B.J.: stick... both a live and dead ball appeal would be honored if it was ...
      »Wayne 37: {Wayne.. you posted (If you should use a signal,that signal should be ...
      »DieselDan: Wasn't aware an appeal has to be made before the batter gets back to ...
      »txnighttrain: The rule in SSUSA is clear, the runner is out if the 1st baseman ...
      »Wayne 37: txnighttrain, What you're referring to is the batter/runner being ...
      »stick8: BJ, perhaps my using “nullify” was the wrong word. I didnt intend it ...
      »B.J.: stick.. no a dead ball appeal can be made right after all runners ...
      »stick8: Ok. That’s how it’s done in young man’s ball. I wasn’t certain if it ...
      »Rumplestilskin: The Rules provide that the batter runner must TOUCH the runner's base ...
      »B.J.: Dave, please clear this up because I don't believe SSUSA stipulates ...
      »B.J.: Dave... again please clear this up.. what is SSUSA's ruling on if a ...
      »DaveDowell: OK B.J., here goes ... The Rule Book language at §8.4(1) requiring ...
      »DCPete: Hard to understand why this rule wouldn't align with all other ...
      »DaveDowell: DCPete ... Sounds like you are describing an "accidental appeal", ...
      »B.J.: Thx. Dave
      »DCPete: Not sure what an "accidental appeal" is but if the Pitcher appealed ...
      »stick8: DCPete it’s because in the original scenario the batter-runner went ...
      »DaveDowell: DCPete ... "Accidental appeal" • For example, if on a clean hit you ...
      »Wayne 37: I don't think I've ever heard of a non-verbal appeal. In the OP, ...
      »B.J.: wayne...WOW.. with your many years and vast experience umpiring in ...
      »Wayne 37: That's not an appeal play. The runner ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... I can give you an example of an ACTUAL non-verbal appeal ...
      »stick8: Dave, I used to umpire a deaf team in a house league several years ...
      »DaveDowell: You're right on the "live ball appeal" clarification ... My point was ...
      »Wayne 37: If that was meant to be a joke, I'll tell my granddaughter who is ...
      »DaveDowell: That was as "serious as a heart attack" (I have some expertise on ...
      »Hank Heffner: Dave if Wayne has never heard of a non verbal appeal that tells me he ...
      »Wayne 37: Dear Hank, What you described is not an APPEAL And Dave, I ...
      »DaveDowell: Just one last hair to split ... Your condescending, factually ...
      »Hank Heffner: If it is not an appeal what is it Wayne.
37 Feb. 11, 2021 1435

Pitchers attire

» franjan: Hi, are there any rules governing the pitcher wearing a glove, such ...
      »B.J.: a glove is not allowed on the pitching hand 6.9 • PITCHING ...
      »Wayne 37: What if it isn't a batting glove, but one of those working gloves ...
      »B.J.: the rule doesn't state it but NO type of glove is allowed on the ...
      »Turning2: i agree with BJ, typically the only "glove" mentioned in rules ...
      »J R: I think those rules went away with Covid.We allow pitchers in our ...
      »B.J.: JR.. good point... I'm not sure what a glove would do for you ...
      »Wayne 37: Bj, The rule only specified batting gloves and I thought you were ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. finally you are right about something.. congrats here is ...
      »Mikelmart: Please do not think that wearing a glove will help regardless. If ...
      »Wayne 37: jb....you must have low self esteem or an over inflated opinion of ...
      »TimMcElroy: Thank you for once again turning the message board into a MESS.
      »chico senior: Tim - I totally agree! I think we have the reincarnation of Einstein ...
      »dead weight: Could anybody give a good reason for the finger tape mentioned in the ...
      »DRB22: Tape may be necessary for a finger injury is the only reason I think ...
      »Donna McGuire: Pitchers sometimes tape an injured finger. Example: taping two ...
      »Wayne 37: Tim, it's always my fault isn't it? But, you're not the one he ...
      »dead weight: Thank you for the responses. Could a pitcher gain an advantage by ...
      »stick8: Einstein!! Blast from the past!! I wonder how he’s doing. I played ...
      »B.J.: to all: I always treat people the way they treat me.. I have NEVER ...
      »birdie: I miss Einstein not so much Gary C. however. A glove is a glove no ...
      »mck71: dead weight - I personally don't think taping your fingers would give ...
      »Wayne 37: "I treat people like they treat me." So following someone to ...
22 Feb. 11, 2021 959

Force out or not

» RdLake: With man on first, shortstop fielding a ground ball, tripped & fell ...
      »Wayne 37: Out
      »B.J.: Rd... the runner was FORCED to vacate 1st base when the batter hit ...
      »Wayne 37: Really the runner is only FORCED by the B/R becoming a runner ...
      »stick8: RdLake ask yourself this. If a runner is caught in a run down between ...
4 Feb. 10, 2021 348

Interference?

» Randall: With a runner on first base, there is a ground ball hit to deep ...
      »B.J.: Randall.. this call is a tough one.. it would be the judgment of the ...
      »STL0: Based on the scenario as described, I could see the second baseman ...
      »Turning2: Rule 8.6 "If in the umpire’s judgment the runner fails to avoid a ...
      »stick8: Randall, tough play to call. It sounds to me that since the umpire ...
      »UMP AR: In my opinion, if the runner reaches the base and declared safe and ...
      »Turning2: stick8 and UMP AR Rule is clear as a bell - Rule 8.6 "If in the ...
      »B.J.: turning.. over the years I have seen the above scenario a few times ...
      »stick8: Turning2, I’d have to see the play Randall describes before I can ...
      »Turning2: To BJ this is my last comment, Randall, the original poster stated ...
      »stick8: Turning2, you may not be wrong in what you say about the play but ...
      »mck71: So simply reading the scenario and NOT KNOWING ANY HISTORY, I STILL ...
      »UMP AR: I suspect that T2 is a middle infielder...not really matters....but I ...
      »DCPete: To mck71, pretty sure there's no rule that says a runner Must slide ...
      »Wayne 37: mck71, I had something similar happen to me a few years back, only ...
      »Turning2: Earlier i had stated that i wouldn't comment further but since a ...
      »stick8: Turning2, I’m not trying to get into a nitpick battle here. Again, ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 You’ll get no argument from me on any topic. If a base ...
      »stick8: You’re actually reiterating what I posted earlier Turning2. Umpire ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 - you say you don’t want to “get into a nitpick battle here” ...
      »Wayne 37: Dear Turning2, I'm fully aware of what is a legal slide and what ...
      »Turning2: Wayne 37 - I implied nothing, nor am i wrong on anything that i have ...
      »B.J.: to all... for the most part we all agree on what the rule is... what ...
      »stick8: Turning2, maybe I’m reading this wrong but I’m of the opinion you’re ...
      »Turning2: stick8 - not agitated at all, simply supplying fact vs supposition ...
      »Wayne 37: T2, You're a hoot. Seems you like to answer questions with a ...
      »Turning2: Wayne 37 - You’re the one that said illegal and legal slide, not ...
      »Rumplestilskin: This is not a difficult call. The runner attempted to avoid the RULE ...
      »Wayne 37: T2, You're one of those that I sometimes come across who are just ...
      »Turning2: Wayne 37 - I'll once again take your bait and ...
29 Feb. 8, 2021 914

Rule book

» Randall: I’ve been told that the rule book is on this website, but I sure ...
      »Turning2: Randall - on the Home page, click on Tournaments and a drop down menu ...
      »Wayne 37: What rule set do you work under? I've never played in a senior ...
      »B.J.: wayne... lmao.. now that last post of yours explains a lot of your ...
      »Turning2: Wayne 37 - i assume you directed your post at my answer. Randall ...
      »Wayne 37: T2, You assumed wrong. Perhaps you should show the same respect ...
      »Turning2: Wayne 37 - you did respond to my answer to Randall, you simply ...
      »Wayne 37: T2, You told Randall where to find the SSUSA rules located on the ...
      »jimperry19: I am so happy that this site is turning into an umpire pissing match ...
      »DaveDowell: ...And eight of the nine most recent threads at the moment all ...
9 Feb. 8, 2021 426

Infield Fly (not)

» fresnomdn: No outs, runner on 1B. Batter pops up in front of SS (big wind ...
      »txnighttrain: An infield fly is only when runners are at 1st & 2nd or bases loaded ...
      »fresnomdn: I know the Infield Fly scenario. Didn't know what else to name this ...
      »B.J.: yes..read below 1.37 • INTENTIONALLY DROPPED FLY BALL If a ...
      »fresnomdn: Thanks B.J. Not sure I like it, but I do understand how age might ...
      »Rumplestilskin: BJ is correct.
      »Wayne 37: fresnomdn, An untouched ball isn't an intentionally dropped ball. ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. maybe in wayne's world the umpire should just let it go ... ...
      »Wayne 37: So do I kill the play by waving my arms and shouting, "Dead ball! ...
8 Feb. 8, 2021 507

you make the call

» Turning2: Runner on third, one or fewer outs, sharp grounder hit to third base, ...
      »JBTexas : One out at first and runner is safe at home if no return throw from ...
      »stick8: I have an out st first and run scores
      »Wayne 37: Catcher chould have chased the runner back to 3B. However, as F2 I ...
      »Turning2: Wayne 37 I agree, catcher could possibly have gotten the runner on ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. and a smart runner would have waited for the catcher to chase ...
      »UMP AR: Batter/runner out at first, run scores.
      »Wayne 37: And a smart catcher can beat the runner back to the strike mat. I've ...
      »Rumplestilskin: No real issue here. As noted, if the runner is not tagged before he ...
8 Feb. 7, 2021 397

3rd Base Commitment line

» OZ40: Our league has the halfway commitment line between 3rd and home, once ...
      »lb16: If catcher moves off of mat to catch ball and brushes runner going ...
      »B.J.: I agree with lb16 ... except that when the fielder brushed up ...
      »rmp0012002: Most runners are usually far enough away from the baseline going ...
      »B.J.: rmp... how do you call a runner safe if he is not illegally tagged? ...
      »DCPete: There should always be a provision for Incidental Contact just like ...
      »B.J.: DCPete.. there are 2 provisions they are called Interference or ...
      »DaveDowell: DC Pete ... There's also an unstated third option that many times is ...
      »stick8: Oz, since I’m in this league with you allow me to provide my take on ...
      »OZ40: Sticckkkk, you got this one? Tom was great guy. He was my boss too ...
      »Omar Khayyam: I have a related question for a play that I was part of. I'm on ...
      »Omar Khayyam: By the way, shortstop apologizes to me after the play because he knew ...
      »B.J.: omar.. as you describe the play it sounds like the SS had a chance to ...
      »stick8: Oz, If Matte had you watch Dwayne you were watching one of the best! ...
      »Wayne 37: Well, someone has been listening to my advice. Kudos to Dave! A ...
      »B.J.: wayne just for info: you said.. (And Omar, you should have been ...
      »Wayne 37: Spellchecker on my (new) phone let me down. Believe me, in a ...
      »Rumplestilskin: With regard to the original query, a runner has an obligation to ...
17 Feb. 7, 2021 771

Altered bat

» Randall: Is a “rolled” bat considered to be an altered bat?
      »DaveDowell: YES, ABSOLUTELY, NO EXCUSES, SUSPENSION COMING YOUR WAY IF CAUGHT ... ...
      »DCPete: Was told years ago that rolling the bat will illegally enlarge the ...
      »pizzaboy: After playing in the Ssusa and Issa TOC tournaments last week I think ...
      »Wood_1966: If you need to roll or shave a senior bat, you bought the wrong bat ...
      »Wayne 37: pizzaboy, I saw a bat that was rolled one time and it practically had ...
      »BH44: I would love that any TOC tournaments that bats are checked and kept ...
      »Mikelmart: I try and find an edge to up my game but I draw the line at shaving a ...
      »leftybob: Unfortunately Rolled/shaved bats are both very prevalent in the ...
8 Feb. 5, 2021 1001
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