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Running lane violation» Wayne 37: 8.3 • BATTER-RUNNER IS OUT D. When he RUNS OUTSIDE THE RUNNING LANE ...»lb16: I would think to get an better explanation of the rule you will need ... »DaveDowell: This ought to be an interestng theoretical discussion to watch ... In ... »Wayne 37: There really is no theory involved. I do know that some rulesets ... »B.J.: welocme back to WAYNES' WORLD of RULES... where does it state in ... »NYGNYY: I hope everyone and your families are safe. As noted I have too much ... »B.J.: NYGNYY.. a fielder does not have to make a throw for an out to be ... »TimMcElroy: And just like that, I am whispering to myself again. »Wayne 37: I knew exactly what you were going to say...………..and you did. I ... »B.J.: Tim, lol.. they do make meds for that .. btw.. it's ok to whisper to ... »DieselDan: Maybe it's time to have those lines put down at the larger ... |
10 | April 6, 2020 | 284 |
Ejection Rule» SCUBA: 4.8 • EJECTED PLAYER "A player or coach who has been ejected from ...»DaveDowell: Absent aggravating circumstances, like an actual physical altercation ... |
1 | March 25, 2020 | 428 |
missed Infield fly call» alan--23: Hi all, This is my first time posting and a new member. This a local ...»lb16: alan - State infield fly rule should have been called. Put original ... »BruceinGa: I'm not an umpire but have run into this situation a few times. I ... »DaveDowell: Bruce ... I think the original fact pattern stated that the R2 was ... »stick8: Alan—23, I am glad to learn you are trying your hand at umpiring!! If ... »mck71: Dave - I would agree with you and lb16. My call would have been the ... »B.J.: I agree with ib16 also... but.. there are no instructions of what to ... »BruceinGa: Dave, I should practice what I tell my 8 yr old granddaughter, "read ... »Wayne 37: Let the play stand as called. The offense and defense both did what ... »B.J.: wayne and his words of wisdom as usual.. (Let the play stand as ... »k man: Could possibly have used rule 8.3J ??? When an infielder ... »stick8: Wayne37 I could be mistaken but I believe that’s what the NCAA and ... »stever: The goal of every umpire should be to get the call right if at all ... »Wayne 37: As usual, someone replies with a what if. Nothing to really correct ... |
13 | March 19, 2020 | 509 |
Catcher already has the ball when non-forced runner crosses commit line; I assume ...» jgoff5113: Scenario: Bases loaded and less than 2 outs. Batter grounds it to ...»B.J.: yes.. runner is still out you are correct a double play »jgoff5113: Thank-you B.J. I thought so, but wanted to confirm with you experts! »grayhitter59: does not matter when the ball was accutaly caught, once the runner ... »k man: Yes, I know its the rule. In this situation, 3rd baseman steps on ... »grayhitter59: He can dance all he wants between the bag and the line once he passes ... »DCPete: Kind of doubt he must continue forward after crossing the commit line ... »grayhitter59: no sir, if after crossing the line he turns around to go back to ... »stick8: K man that’s actually a smart play by that runner!! It may appear ... »k man: Stick, it may look good to the one team but I'm sure the defensive ... »DaveDowell: DCPete and grayhitter59 ... There is no specific procedure that the ... »B.J.: Dave...you need to read the OP again 3bman stepped on 3rd for an out ... »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I think my response to the original post is correct ... That ... »B.J.: Dave, again the way the rule is specifically worded and yes as you ... »DaveDowell: And you know my official position on umpires who make up words to ... »B.J.: Dave, I guess that's also the difference between an umpire and a ... »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I would opine that the problem is a failure of some umpires ... »B.J.: lol Dave, yes we will agree to disagree "again" and as I ... »grayhitter59: Dave, As I understood the runner crossed the line therefor cannot ... »DaveDowell: gh59 ... B.J. and I are debating what he can/cannot do AFTER he ... »grayhitter59: He can sit there and drink a soda and tell a joke if he wants, also ... »stick8: K man and Dave are correct! That might be the only time on a throw to ... »Wayne 37: In the OP the runner is out once they cross the commit line. What ... |
22 | March 19, 2020 | 701 |
Scoring line» idahoreb: Situation: Less than two outs, runner coming home stops before ...»stick8: That is correct. If runner is tagged after they cross the commit line ... |
1 | March 15, 2020 | 197 |
Giving runs, and those runs count against you in seeding.» tall_thunder: Please Directors, give me a good answer to support my issue, which ...»Wood_1966: Understand, but if those 5 runs did not count against your run total, ... »tall_thunder: WOOD_1966, good point. Didn't mean to say for Directors to support my ... |
2 | March 13, 2020 | 348 |
Carry Bat» seniorsoftballnut: Question can you carry your bat with you to first base after you hit ...»lb16: If it is hit and sit rules it doesn't matter if you touch 1st with ... »r4pitch: Why would you want too.. Dont know the rule.Should be a out.Reid »B.J.: yes in SSUSA you can carry the bat all the way around all the bases ... »SOFTBALLNUTZ: seniorsoftballnut Hope you and yours are doing well. Haven't ... »Wayne 37: yes in SSUSA you can carry the bat all the way around all the bases ... »k man: I know there is no SSUSA rule for this but I knew I saw it somewhere. ... »doker: yes as in a previous discussion bat can be carried but if the bat is ... »doker: fair foul or otherwise ...still interference!!!! »SSUSA Staff: NOPE! ... But nice "stretch" to a rather seasoned thread to keep the ... |
9 | March 7, 2020 | 1293 |
Was this the correct Call?» sbsoftball30: Batter/Runner hits fair grounder to third baseman. Fielder attempts ...»SSUSA Staff: There is no prohibition in the SSUSA Rulebook for a batter-runner ... »B.J.: I would agree... if the bat he was carrying was in foul territiory ... »NPW#9: What if the ball went out of play after hitting the bat. Does the B/R ... »B.J.: NPW... yes since the bat would be considered part of the runner and ... »Wayne 37: Why does the B/R have to be in the running lane on a normal ... »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Does your answer change if the thrown ball hits the bat, ... »B.J.: wayne... you might not need to always ask these questions if you ... »B.J.: Dave... lol I forgot about Jose... he would never get extra bases ... »Wayne 37: I read the rule and as usual it is vague with no interpretation. I ... »B.J.: wayne.. again you use the word VAGUE because of your lack of reading ... »SSUSA Staff: I just KNEW we should have CLOSED THIS THREAD immediately after the ... |
11 | March 7, 2020 | 749 |
Fielders choice or sacrifice» Nvjimmymac: One out, men on first and third. Batter hits ground ball to short. ...»DieselDan: "The batter is credited with an RBI (run batted in) for every runner ... »B.J.: jimmymac.. this would be scored a FC with a RBI.. I don't believe a ... »stick8: Jimmymac, officially that’s a fielders choice. He gets credit for the ... »MurrayW: No, a fielder's choice counts as an out and not as getting on base. ... »Dbax: I agree. A fielders choice does not count towards your on base ... »Wayne 37: Hit into a DP here and the batter isn't credited with a RBI. |
6 | Feb. 25, 2020 | 622 |
Kicked Ball» sdmal: Recently had a situation where a second baseman muffed a grounder. ...»chico senior: Runner is out. »sdmal: He intentionally kicked the ball not accidentally. »rightrj1: The runner is still out! It doesn't matter how the ball out to the ... »stick8: Runner is out. |
4 | Jan. 31, 2020 | 523 |
Intentionally dropped ball» retired2013: Rule 9.1 U. States--Dead ball: When a fair batted fly ball, including ...»Wayne 37: A batted ball, not infield fly, that is intentionally guided to the ... »retired2013: Look t 9.1 U. The rule is clear, but there's no consequence stated/ »B.J.: retired.. below is the rule that states the consequence.. also ... »LMR: I apologize for my ignorance, but what am I missing? With a man on ... »LMR: Isn't this why there is an infield fly rule? »Wayne 37: Infield fly requires at least runners on 1st and 2nd with less than ... »Wayne 37: J. When an infielder intentionally drops, or (((LETS DROP))), a fai ... »B.J.: wayne.. please post from the rules where it says that a runner may ... »Wayne 37: So you take a runner who has legally obtained home or 2nd base and ... »B.J.: Well then in Wayne’s world a longggg high fly ball that is over fair ... »Wayne 37: Exactly what I didn't say. If you have to make stuff up to sound ... »stick8: Retired2013, I’d have to see the play but if an infielder ... »DieselDan: Now that I have a bag of popcorn, please continue. »B.J.: DD.. I'd hate to disappoint you and I hope you got double butter and ... »stick8: BJ, that is the senior rule. It wasn’t the case in USSSA but I ... »Wayne 37: I hate to break it to you again, but you return runners from their ... »TimMcElroy: Someone once said of pornography- I can't accurately define it but I ... »Wayne 37: I understand that, Tim. That's why I used the term guided the ball ... »B.J.: Tim..great answer.. PLEASE don't give up.. I think you're wearing ... »Wayne 37: Ok Boomer »galasater: Wayne 37 So you have players on your team that run bases, with less ... »grayhitter59: Tim, I remember this same thing happening in a winter nationals in ... »TimMcElroy: ^^^ Thanks for the smile, Manny. »Wayne 37: Since when were towering fly balls exempt from the rule? »B.J.: hmmm... Tim, I think wayne is asking you.. have fun |
25 | Jan. 28, 2020 | 1099 |
impact player» nporee: As I was trying to add to my roster last year, I was told by the main ...»TimMcElroy: I don't know which team or player you are referring to but I will ... »nporee: Thanks, Tim, good guess. But we are 55 AAA team and we do not have ... »Nancy Allen: nporee, Tim did make a good guess. He is a very smart man. Since ... »mck71: nporee - you would need to speak specifically with George or Tiffany ... »nporee: Nancy, mck71, thank you both.. and yes Coaching and Managing is tough ... »TimMcElroy: As Nancy and mck71 suggested, the roster specialists at the home ... »grayhitter59: nporee, Impact player is not a SSUSA term, they rate players by ... »nporee: Tim, thank you again, but no this was not for the upcoming TOC. this ... »chico senior: Grayhitter - Actually, years ago SSUSA did use the term “Impact ... »DoubleL10: ‘‘Impact player” is a SPA category. Players classified as such can ... »chico senior: The only organization that I have ever played in is SSUSA. Many ... »nporee: Double and Chico, that totally makes sense.. but the gentlemen I am ... »grayhitter59: Chico, I guess I might have been mistaken, I only heard that term in ... |
13 | Jan. 27, 2020 | 1054 |
interference» retired2013: During a double play, the runner going into 2nd base interferes wit ...»Wayne 37: Runner and Batter Runner are both declared out. »retired2013: what rule covers this play? »Wayne 37: Don't know exactly, but the runner is out for interfering with throw ... »Wayne 37: Look under 8.3 (E) where is says batter/runner is out. »B.J.: retired.. INTERFERENCE IS NOT an automatic double play as stated ... »B.J.: retired.. I also should have added the 2nd out doesn't necessarily ... »Wayne 37: You're right I read the rule wrong. need my glasses......however you ... »B.J.: wayne.. lol... I was wondering what your excuse would be and it seems ... »Wayne 37: That's the biggest difference between you and I. I know when I'm ... »B.J.: wayne.. I've tried to be nice when correcting your posts and yes ... »Wayne 37: Like I said, I admit when I'm wrong. Your problem is when you're ... »Nancy Allen: Well, you apparently don't understand rule #2 of the message board. ... »Wayne 37: Just so you know, I've intentionally stayed away from here for a good ... »B.J.: Well here’s hoping 🤞🏾 that it will happen again »Wayne 37: Ok Boomer »stick8: Had a play last year. Man on 1st, 1 out. Grounder to short. Shortstop ... |
16 | Jan. 24, 2020 | 538 |
Thanks for the laugh» Wayne 37: OK BOOMER |
0 | Jan. 22, 2020 | 212 |
Eye Shield on a Pitching or Fielding Mask» USAMTZ: Last weekend at the Top Gun in AZ an umpire on day 2 told me that I ...»DaveDowell: It appears highly likely you were victimized by a "..let's make it up ... »USAMTZ: Thanks Dave. I was hoping that is all it was. Take Care, Glen »Omar Khayyam: How bizarre! I have experienced teams incorrectly complaining to the ... »BH44: The only I time I have seen teams complain about a pitcher wearing a ... »USAMTZ: Omar, The other team had nothing to do with it. It was odd, game was ... |
5 | Jan. 21, 2020 | 743 |
Interference» Randall: There is a runner on first base with two outs. The batter hits a ...»lowprofile: I'm not sure what the rule is the way it's written? here what's ... »B.J.: great question and you won't see this specific scenario described in ... »Randall: I believe that the answer to this is in the rule book under “the ... »B.J.: Randall... I'm not sure that rule applies here because it was a base ... »A-RO23: We had this happen in a game this past summer. Only difference (and ... »B.J.: A-RO.. I would also have the runner who interfered with the fielder ... »Dbax: You can’t call the batter and runner both out. »B.J.: below are the SSUSA and USA/ASA rules for batter is out.. as you ... »curty: i would consider this- for this ruling- a timing play: Batter is out ... »B.J.: I was hoping SSUSA would give answer.. but since they haven't I ... »Nancy Allen: The only thing that ever came up in a clinic (NSA) that was close to ... »B.J.: Nancy, yes... and good examples »stick8: Randall, it doesn’t matter if the ball rolls foul. A baserunner can ... »Wayne 37: SSUSA---- 7.6 • BATTER IS OUT F. When members of the team at ba ... »B.J.: wayne.. Please read the rules I posted above giving both SSUSAA and ... |
15 | Jan. 21, 2020 | 811 |
65s to 1-1 or not 1-1» k man: Just got back from Ft Myers 65 AAA Played 7 and only 2 went the full ...»Shark: Just an FYI....that our team in Fort Myers played 9 games with a 1-1 ... »Wood_1966: I do not understand the thought process of sticking to the old method ... »GI: I agree it is about time to play with the 1-1 count as most of us ... »garyheifner: I have been led to believe that when a vote is thrown out there, the ... »Jawood: Really k man? Since the 1 and 1 count was implemented two seasons ... »k man: Jawood, all I can tell you is from what we experienced and I have in ... »GI: I want to thank several of you who have called or sent me e-mail ... »baseballbill: The 1&1 count kills wasted dead time, more action with less standing ... »NYGNYY: I grew up playing with the “old school” and have no problem with it. ... »GI: Just to update I looked on my G Mail ansd saw a note from senior ... »garyheifner: NYGNYY I play outfield and pitch or catch when needed. It is very ... »NYGNYY: garyheifner---Totally missed my point with your definition of what a ... »garyheifner: Sorry, I got it totally wrong. I kinda now know what it feels like ... »TimMcElroy: garyheifner- HILARIOUS ! Way to keep it light. »NYGNYY: Amen to that garyheifner! Enjoy the holidays »Fabe: U may never see that first good pitch again! Unless many walks are ... »MurrayW: It's slow pitch softball. How bad can the next strike be to ... »Gavin5: I support the 1:1 starting pitch count for 75s division, and in fact ... »GI: I had batting practice last weekend with a 65 team that played 60's ... »chico senior: GI - You either have some misprints or some mistakes. The 60’s start ... »GI: Thanks sorry for not writing it right. Now you know why I am a ... »GI: Has anyone heard anything from Vegas meeting this week about the 1-1 ... »SSUSA Staff: Rules Committee Sessions concluded yesterday (Thursday) and the ... »NYGNYY: The rules committee voted 12 to 0 in favor of changing all ages to 1 ... »GI: Bless you Senior softball. Free at last free at last Thank God ... »JBTexas : I maybe the only one but I'm disappointed the rule was changed for ... »NYGNYY: JB Tx I am with you 100%. Guess that’s a ? for Don Brooks who ... »DaveDowell: There were five (5) separately submitted written requests to the ... »NYGNYY: DD as always thanks for the follow up and information. 5 requests ... »JBTexas : Dave, Didn't know we had to submit a request to keep a rule, we ... »DieselDan: What JBTexas just posted. »DaveDowell: Here's a bit of historical factual background ... Support for the ... »DieselDan: But, it seems Dave, "a hot topic, like this one", probably should ... »NYGNYY: Thanks again DD for the feedback and facts. I thought you used this ... »DaveDowell: Dan ... I guess anything can be "surveyed" as often as it makes sense ... »Wayne 37: I thought about submitting something in writing, but then I figured ... »DaveDowell: Wayne 37 ... Here's how it works ... The Chair of the NRC accumulates ... »Wayne 37: I understand all that, but I continually get so much pushback on the ... »JBTexas : After reading the official minutes of the rule committee meeting, I ... »k man: Will TOC play 1-1 for 65 and above or will they use the 4-3 rule that ... »TimMcElroy: The TOC is played usi g the previous year's rules because that is how ... »Willy8: As a 70's player, I have used the 1-1 count with a curtesy foul in ... |
42 | Dec. 16, 2019 | 2898 |
Opinions on being called out of the batters box - Continued» Sisavic: I'm not sure why but I had to start a new discussion because I ...»STL0: Sisavic - While I don't disagree that the box could have been ... »Wayne 37: I've tried to explain this several times, but some people like to add ... »B.J.: wayne, without insulting you.. again these 2 rules explaining that a ... »Wayne 37: Again, batting position, where does it state partially outside? ... »B.J.: wayne...since you seem to know all, then answer this question about ... |
5 | Dec. 7, 2019 | 800 |
Opinions on being called out of the batters box» cuda65: In two recent tournaments, I got called out for stepping out of the ...»B.J.: cuda.. it should never matter the age of the player.. remember just ... »cuda65: Thanks B.J. I appreciate your response. I stand near the front of ... »garyheifner: I still do not understand the need for a batters box. Regardless of ... »garyheifner: My previous--so batter CAN'T close the distance. »B.J.: gary.. I'm confused.. 1st you say you do not understand the need for ... »garyheifner: It is really quite simple. Without a line in front, a batter could ... »Nancy Allen: A friend of mine made a point to me that I had never considered. He ... »B.J.: gary.. thx for the explanation.. if there was no full box as you call ... »lowprofile: Nancy great point, this subject never seems to go away lol. As I have ... »mck71: lowprofile - they do this in USSSA Conference, where as long as the ... »B.J.: MCK... I worked U-Trip for years.. and there are 2 big differences ... »lowprofile: mck,71 I was not aware that u-trip was doing this? it does make total ... »cuda65: Wow, thanks ladies and gents. Just as I had hoped, I got some ... »k man: In our local league, the batters boxes on the turf fields were deemed ... »mck71: Doesn't site a rule number BJ, but this was taken off OldScout ... »grayhitter59: I understand the rule, I believe when this rule was written softball ... »DaveDowell: The National Rules Committee sessions for this year are upcoming this ... »Wayne 37: It would help if you would define what constitutes being in the box ... »B.J.: just when you thought it couldn't get any worse... he's back »SSUSA Staff: Here's an "English as a Second Language" version for you, Wayne ... ... »Wayne 37: I WOULDN'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE WORDING, BUT YOU HAVE SOME YAHOO'S ... »TimMcElroy: What the firetruck? »titanhd: The issue is that the hitter has to protect 34-1/2" of strike zone. ... »TimMcElroy: Teams combine for 30+ runs in a high percentage of games played under ... »B.J.: Wayne.. since my initials rhyme with EK I will assume you mean me ... |
25 | Dec. 1, 2019 | 1326 |
75 Roster» Don25: We are trying to put together a 75 team for 2020. Rule 13.2(4) B. ...»cyborg45: My understanding of the rule is they must turn 74 during the calendar ... |
1 | Nov. 26, 2019 | 380 |
