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what's the call

» youngen: What's the call runner on first base and second base with no outs. ...
      »DaveDowell: youngen ... We answered this for you previously but, unfortunately, ...
1 Aug. 15, 2019 212

rules interpretation

» tc4whlr: Runner on 2nd with 2 outs, a line drive hit up the middle, runner ...
      »B.J.: 1st scenario. Dead ball runner is out... if less than 3 outs batter ...
      »B.J.: also in 1st ...batting order would go to next batter
2 Aug. 13, 2019 205

Question

» bruiser: Need an answer to this one. Bases loaded, no one out. Pop-up behind ...
      »stick8: Based on your description the run scores.
1 Aug. 12, 2019 225

Correct call

» idahoreb: Runner heading to third gets hit on the shoulder with the ball. Ball ...
      »B.J.: there is no penalty to the base runner.. play on.. unless he did some ...
      »grayhitter59: once it strike the on deck batter I would call dead ball.
      »B.J.: grayhitter.. I would have a live ball "IF" he is in the on deck ...
      »grayhitter59: yeah, depends on what in the vicinity really means. lol
      »idahoreb: More info. The on deck batter was the second on deck batter which we ...
      »B.J.: idahoreb.. once the ball enters the dugout it becomes a dead ball.. ...
6 Aug. 9, 2019 322

How does it work

» deep14: A team plays in three Qualifiers, does not win anything goes home on ...
      »TimMcElroy: Have you submitted a ratings appeal form?
      »The real deal: Yo deep 14 - sounds like we're in the same boat: fodder for the big ...
      »17Black: Other Associations do this too--------not just SSUSA SSUSA did the ...
      »STL0: Home runs doesn't necessarily make a team major or not. We won 50 ...
      »ffdonnie: I can't believe how many people come on here and whine about how bad ...
      »softballer: Not true just saying
      »grayhitter59: How about this. Explain to the team that by being moved up the ...
      »The real deal: Grayhitter: Nope - not looking to "trade in" some teammates for ...
      »grayhitter59: I agree with you, so then we have to take or poison for at least 2 ...
      »DaveDowell: Or, a more balanced look at the other side of the same coin ... ...
10 Aug. 9, 2019 1160

Illegal substitute runner

» jsheeran: Need correct ruling: In Coldwater, MI a substitute runner came ...
      »DaveDowell: jsheeran ... The Columbus, IN, approach is the proper way to address ...
      »B.J.: (We will likely refine this at the National Rules Committee during ...
2 Aug. 8, 2019 350

Correct call

» RDSinNEOHIO: Rec league game last Friday night. We're down 6-5, bottom of 7th, ...
      »nails: No force play. Unless ump didnít c the runner tag up.
      »lb16: Never a force play on a fly ball tag up. In your scenario runner ...
      »lb16: Miss worded a little out could have still been made if runner at 2nd ...
      »B.J.: lb16 is correct.. question... did the umpire agree that the ...
      »mck71: BJ, scenario as described never stated the runner from 3rd scored ...
      »RDSinNEOHIO: The umpire said the runner on 2nd did tag up, but it was still a ...
      »DaveDowell: Sure hope that umpire didn't trip and fall over his red-tipped white ...
      »mck71: TOO funny Dave! Sadly RDS, this sounds like an "I am not getting ...
      »B.J.: wow... i didn't want to say this earlier but I agree with mck71 ... ...
      »Spock: I'd be much more concerned with the fact that through 6 complete ...
      »Wayne 37: If the throw beat the runner from 2nd base to the bag, no tag is ...
      »B.J.: wayne... thank you ... you never fail to give the wrong answer on ...
      »lb16: Wayne - Slow down take a deep breath read the situation. Runner on ...
      »Wayne 37: You're going to have show me that one as I've never read, discussed ...
      »Wayne 37: I searched and cannot find a ruling in the SSUSA rules that supports ...
15 July 31, 2019 554

What's your call on a bang-bang play at a base?

» CDNSmitty: So, you hear it all the time..."Tie goes to the runner!" To which I ...
      »DaveDowell: Since there is no such thing as a "..tie goes to the runner.." ...
      »B.J.: CDN.. I have never thought of it like that.. when I give a clinic ...
      »CDNSmitty: Dave, I agree. Consistency is key. BJ, I agree, and I do those ...
      »TimMcElroy: I can't get behind the theory of all bang-bang plays going to the ...
      »coop3636: Hey B.J. Just a little advice on your clinics If you have a crafty ...
      »B.J.: thx. coop
      »Wayne 37: What you should do is get to your spot on the infield, Get set and ...
      »B.J.: wayne... sorry ..I'm lost.. hmmm trying to figure this out... ...
      »Wayne 37: Not what I said, but I totally get the part when you say you're lost.
9 July 31, 2019 499

clarity on 5 runs or 11 defensive players major vs major plus

» johnny23: just want to make sure on the 5 runs - when are they awarded? some ...
      »DaveDowell: For SSUSA sanctioned play, the 5-Run equalizer is awarded at one run ...
1 July 27, 2019 215

Batter's Box

» Wayne 37: Since a few posters are flying off the handle at each other, how ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. I know you mean me.. cuz Dave is only a semi-wanna be ...
      »lowprofile: Hey Wayne, I'm note interpreting it that way, some portion of both ...
      »DCPete: Maybe you come from the Bizarro World in the old Superman comics ...
      »Wayne 37: lowprofile, I understand what you are saying....and you didn't ...
      »Wayne 37: DCPete, can you describe an IFF rule? Here is one of your statements ...
      »B.J.: Dave, please shut this post down and end his incoherent babbling
      »mad dog: i'm with wayne on this.....batters put your feet inside the box ...
7 July 20, 2019 498

Ruling on Run Down

» STL0: I was playing in a SSUSA tournament this weekend and had a situation ...
      »Fuzz: As you stated, it's my understanding the runner is allowed to retreat ...
      »4040club: It would seem this is the same situation as a run down where the base ...
      »B.J.: lmao... Dave, just can't let it go huh !!.. well at least this time ...
      »Nancy Allen: STL0, when I first started umpiring, I mostly did NSA. They had a ...
      »DaveDowell: HAT MAN - Vinny, you are absolutely correct in your criticism ... I ...
      »B.J.: Dave, no problem, and my apologies also the conversation just got a ...
      »lb16: STL0 - To answer your question if it wasn't already. I missed the BJ ...
      »STL0: I guess I missed some previous dialogue and the question got hijacked ...
8 July 17, 2019 429

Dang

» Wayne 37: Why lock a thread after only two days? Going back to the courtesy ...
0 July 15, 2019 96

Does the run count?

» cheezhed1: Recently in our local senior league we had a play that needs ...
      »DaveDowell: YES. This gets asked frequently, but the timing play aspects ...
      »B.J.: when a run scores is under RULE 5.7 .. for your scenario read 5.7 B ...
      »stick8: Cheezhed1, Dave is correct and BJ listed the correct rule #. Its a ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... Or my related favorite: "Five on three", two outs and the ...
      »TexasTransplant: Dave, it even makes me mad when I see a player on the opposing team ...
      »mad dog: yep dave .... that is a good one also...caught a team doing that and ...
6 July 11, 2019 699

Touching Portion of the 1B Double Bag in Foul Territory

» SCUBA: A batter hits a double, but in doing so only touches the portion of ...
      »B.J.: yes it is ok.. their is no penalty for the batter if he only touches ...
1 July 8, 2019 306

COURTESY RUNNER

» titanhd: RULE: A courtesy runner must report to, and be acknowledged by, the ...
      »TimMcElroy: This rule rule change was intended to speed up the game. Getting ...
      »Gavin5: I believe it's unreasonable to expect the umpire to keep up with the ...
      »DaveDowell: Respectfully, this circumstance had nothing to do with an illegal CR ...
      »stick8: Titanhd, good games last week! I didnít see exactly what occurred ...
      »B.J.: As an umpire I never want it said I was looking for a cheap out.. ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. - The "legislative intent", as Tim mentioned, was ONLY to save ...
      »B.J.: Dave, I understand and that is great that it is discussed in the ...
      »DaveDowell: ß8.5(5) ē COURTESY RUNNER OFFICIALLY IN THE GAME ...A courtesy ...
      »titanhd: In our case the UMPIRE knew the rule and knew we were in "violation" ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Here's a more concise language change, which I believe ...
      »B.J.: Dave, this is the meeting I referred to (the Nat'l Rules Committee ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I (We?) may be "picking at nits" here, but the CR may still ...
      »stick8: I do agree with BJ that it isnít the umpires responsibility to go ...
      »Nancy Allen: I agree except on a point raised by Gavin5 and alluded to by stick8. ...
      »B.J.: Dave... lol that's why it's always good to have a can of nit spray ...
      »stick8: Nancy what you and BJ do is what I try to do but I feel the best way ...
      »B.J.: Stick, the C/R should not have been allowed into the game and yes 2 ...
      »Nancy Allen: stick8, I totally agree with BJ but will most likely never use a ...
      »stick8: BJ and Nancy, there is one more part of the rule. That player who ...
      »Nancy Allen: stick8, ok, I will share mine. We were at a qualifier. Our good ...
      »garyheifner: When a CR goes out to run in the same inning for a 2nd time, It is ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gary, the times that I have seen it all seemed to be senior moments. ...
22 July 5, 2019 682

Do we win or do we lose

» joebodyman: Here is the situation. Bottom of the seventh inning, game tied, with ...
      »TexasTransplant: It's a timing play. If the runner from third crossed the plate ...
      »DaveDowell: If the correct call was made, you are a WINNER and the game is over ...
      »1bounce: The defensive team could still appeal that the runner on 3rd left ...
      »DaveDowell: While that is a true statement, it was not a component of the ...
      »lb16: Question is what did the ump call. I am assuming he called it ...
      »stick8: Joebodyman, the run scores, game over. Itís a timing play, not a ...
      »joebodyman: The umpire called it correctly but there was a lot of discussion on ...
      »grayhitter59: Hey Dave, in this case if they would have appealed runner leaving ...
      »lb16: grayhitter59 - This is a timing play if runner scored before appeal ...
      »Nancy Allen: There is a lot of confusion between a force out and what we in the ...
      »DaveDowell: TexasTransplant has stated the best (by far) simple rule to remember ...
      »Wayne 37: Another one is appeals aren't time plays.
12 July 1, 2019 733

Explaination please

» Wayne 37: garocket writes: Wayne I thought you were an UMPIRE. You said ...
0 June 30, 2019 244

foul ball on no fouls left

» bkb555: if a player catches a foul ball on the batter's "no fouls left" is it ...
      »mck71: bkb - 9.4 ē FOUL FINAL STRIKE Upon hitting a foul ball on the final ...
      »Wayne 37: Catch and carry the ball is dead all runners awarded one base.
      »B.J.: yes and the runners can advance on "1st touch".. on the catch and ...
      »lb16: B.J. - Not in Wayne's world!!
      »Wayne 37: Unless something has changed: A FOUL BALL is a batted ball that ...
      »DaveDowell: Fellas, it's an excellent idea to get your terminology precise and ...
      »lb16: Dave - So would a base runner who left the bag on 1st touch on a ball ...
      »DaveDowell: lb16 ... I concur and, more important, so does the Official SSUSA ...
      »Wayne 37: D. First hits the ground or is FIRST TOUCHED OVER FOUL TERRITOR ...
      »DaveDowell: Seems straight forward to most of us ... Certainly not in the ...
      »B.J.: sorry I can't help it.. I have to agree with wayne on part of ...
      »Wayne 37: A little edit for clarity would be GREAT! Pass this around at your ...
      »DaveDowell: Thanks Wayne ... Write it up and submit it through proper channels ...
13 June 22, 2019 865

interpretation

» curty: situation: Bottom of last inning, bases loaded, no out, home team ...
      »lb16: I have triple play ball game! Ump got it right the 1st time.
      »Wayne 37: I don't even know what you just said. Left out a lot of detail it ...
      »Wayne 37: situation: Bottom of last inning, bases loaded, no out, home tea ...
      »Uncle Mike: Sounds like R2 crossed the commitment line (not the scoring line) and ...
      »JimmyG: Agree with Uncle Mike
      »Wayne 37: Uncle Mike, How is R3 out of baseline (base path)? The runner ...
      »dug8: Is R2 out because he crossed the commitment line? Is he out ...
      »Wayne 37: Good questions dug8. I'm glad it wasn't my game is all I can say.
      »B.J.: curty.. runner 1 scores.. runner 2 you said passed the scoring ...
      »Wayne 37: The most fascinating part of this post is that the offensive team ...
      »AJC: Actually the tying run would have been on 3rd and the winning run on ...
      »stick8: Going by the play as described: óObviously R1 scored. R2 crossed ...
      »Uncle Mike: I understand what you guys are saying- runner makes his own base ...
      »AJC: I should also add... why did the 3rd base coach send R2 home in that ...
      »Wayne 37: a direct line from base to base and that you can deviate 3 feet from ...
      »Uncle Mike: The key sentence to me is : After 25 minutes of discussion, only the ...
      »curty: my bad on "scoring line" as it was commit line. Runner called for out ...
      »stick8: Uncle Mike, that umpire was incorrect calling R3 out for running out ...
      »Uncle Mike: @stick8 That's why I said he should of appealed and won. The umpire ...
      »stick8: Uncle Mike, I didnít read Curtys post until just now. Iím not sure ...
      »stick8: And youíre correct about appealing, presuming itís to the other ...
      »Wayne 37: I probably would have tossed the coach just for running across the ...
      »TXTrouble3: Great scenario discussion...I do have a question regarding "Commit ...
      »DaveDowell: TXTrouble3 ... Base runner retreating back to the 3rd base side of ...
      »stick8: TXTrouble3, Dave is corrrct, itís an automatic out. No tagging is ...
25 June 15, 2019 923

Ruling

» garyheifner: Batter mis-hits a short pop up down 1st base line short of 1st base. ...
      »45caliber: Foul ball once in foul territory
      »BOURGEOIS: If the bat is dropped in foul territory and the ball rolls into the ...
      »BOURGEOIS: See Video ...
      »B.J.: Bourgeois has the correct call
      »lb16: And what was umpires explanation as to why this was a fair ball?
      »stick8: Foul ball
      »Nancy Allen: Definitely foul. Maybe the umpire misapplied this rule (only ever ...
      »garyheifner: ump was told that ruling by another ump
      »Nancy Allen: Did he phone it in? Goodness. BJ, if you say anything about Austin, ...
      »garyheifner: Same ump just asked me tonight--what if the bat was in fair territory?
      »Nancy Allen: Gary, the rule above would apply. The only catch would be whether ...
      »garyheifner: Thanks for the replies Just something that we don't see often.
      »Wayne 37: [[[the rule above would apply. The only catch would be whether the ...
      »Nancy Allen: It is a baseball video. This is softball. 9.2 R above has the word ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. here try this web-site it's for BASEBALL umpires then you ...
      »stick8: Had a play in a high school baseball game earlier this year. No one ...
      »Wayne 37: Question. Why would anybody in their right mind intentionally throw ...
      »Nancy Allen: stick8, I agree, but when the rule specifically says intention that ...
      »jimperry19: At one time I found the whole Nancy Allen, Wayne, BJ thing kind of ...
      »Wayne 37: I agree...I can discuss a rule, but on the other hand
20 June 12, 2019 1009
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