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Boundries for 65+ teams?

» Heavi: Must 65+ teams adhere to boundry as well as Mississippi (East/West) ...
      »DaveDowell: YES ... States and Bordering States, plus up to two (2) ...
      »QPG25: Dave how can we add our " out-of-region" players ? When I go to my ...
      »DaveDowell: I don't know the "mechanics" of how it might be done in the SSUSA ...
      »Heavi: THNAKS!
4 Jan. 26, 2022 224

Same age, different divisions...

» D.Litch: I've been a party to lots of situations involving guys playing down ...
      »DaveDowell: Somebody is making up a rule on you if they told you that is allowed ...
      »D.Litch: Thank you Dave... I was scratching my head about that too.
      »DG-A: Is it possible to play at the same level in an older age group ...
      »DaveDowell: YES ... You may play across age lines if otherwise eligible as to age ...
      »stick8: Can a player who plays 60 major plus also play 50 triple A? (asking ...
      »HSquared: When looking at the Ratings Table, it would suggest yes, even though ...
      »DaveDowell: Yes, stick8, that's allowable in theory ... Both have a rating index ...
      »MurrayW: So if a "friend" plays 65, 60, and 55 all on Major Plus teams, is his ...
      »T-mon: Murray would love to meet your "friend", he must be your twin who ...
      »stick8: I will definitely tell him that!
      »edcampbell3: Last year 2 of my Teammates and I, played 50 AAA. We are no longer on ...
      »DaveDowell: Multiple issues, Ed, neither of which is very complicated ... [1] ...
      »edcampbell3: Thank you Dave
      »lowprofile: So Dave, Just curious with Ed's description and the releases being ...
      »DaveDowell: lowprofile ... Yes, each division (other than Major+, of course) may ...
15 Jan. 17, 2022 1122

Covid residence rule

» QPG25: Will SSUSA still be allowing two non resident players on a team? ...
      »DaveDowell: YES
1 Jan. 16, 2022 126

WHY ARE THESE OFFENSES CALLED DIFFERENTLY

» B.J.: I had this come up at my umpire clinic last month and I couldn't give ...
      »DCPete: Rule 8.3C might make sense if there were 2 Outs at the time but ...
      »stick8: Good points DCPete. Like BJ asked I would have similar questions. Iíd ...
      »TimMcElroy: I don't think it is unreasonable to expect a batter to run 70 feet ...
      »B.J.: Tim, thx for answering.. I 100% agree with you.. but as you know it ...
      »rmp0012002: The way I see it is the B/R didnít finish his at-bat by touching ...
      »B.J.: rmp.. that is not what rule 8.3 C says
      »DCPete: Tim et al; pretty inconsistent ruling at best since both the Batter & ...
      »stick8: Take BJís scenario a step further. After the rule was applied and the ...
      »curty: Guys- 2 different scenarios: the runner on second MIGHT not have to ...
      »B.J.: curty.. the original scenario was very specific bases are loaded so ...
      »curty: BJ-- simply for understanding purposes: in your scenario, ball ...
      »B.J.: curty.. yes the COMPLETELY different scenario you just gave is 100% ...
      »curty: AAH BJ- this scenario CAN happen in your case-- if no runner except ...
      »B.J.: curty .. a scenario is written to get a answer on a specific play .. ...
      »DCPete: And they also haven't addressed why the Batter that doesn't run to ...
      »TimMcElroy: B.J. - I will look into this a bit further with some other folks ...
      »B.J.: Tim, I fully understand and thx..
17 Jan. 13, 2022 837

roster eligibility

» cheesehead1: As per the discussions entered by the SSUSA staff in response to my ...
      »DaveDowell: cheesehead1 ē We also made it perfectly clear that the actions AND ...
      »cheesehead1: Geez.sorry that people are taking what was a post to discuss the new ...
      »DaveDowell: cheesehead1 ē Let's take another more simplistic cut at this since ...
      »cheesehead1: Dave, now we're getting somewhere. My only purpose has been to ...
      »DaveDowell: No worries cheesehead1 ... This is a lot like a ball game: ...
      »cheesehead1: Dave, one more question concerning the new region/state rule that I ...
      »DaveDowell: Fair question ... Here's the "deal" in that context, along with one ...
      »cheesehead1: Wow, Dave, . You're making this conversation much easier to ...
      »DaveDowell: Both of your assumptions are accurate ... Glad to be able to help ... ...
      »cheesehead1: Dave, I'd like to make a comment on the removal of Hawaii from the ...
      »DaveDowell: Thanks cheesehead1 ... I appreciate and respect your perspective, but ...
      »Fabe: Mahalo for bringing to light some of the challenges we experience ...
      »cheesehead1: Mahalo Dave for your quick response and on New Year to boot. Just ...
13 Jan. 1, 2022 1529

11 defensive players 65+

» k man: If I am reading it correctly, a vote (#14) passed 12-0 yesterday ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The upcoming T.O.C. is a 2021 Season event and, as such, is played ...
      »k man: Thanks for the quick response! Just wanted to be sure.
      »NYGNYY: Was this ever on the annual meeting agenda in the past and voted ...
      »SSUSA Staff: NYGNYY ... The issue of allowing an 11th defensive player for the ...
      »FOFO: This is a terrible idea IMO. Think itís a knee jerk reaction to ...
      »Rich99: It looks like it has been discussed with very little support over the ...
      »Dbax: Fofo is correct. This is all about Timberworks.
      »Carterjam: This is a terrible rule change. My question is why? After not ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The change was simply all about consistency and conformance with the ...
      »NYGNYY: With this logic of consistency why not test it for a season at the AA ...
      »MC8: This 11 man rule just doesnít make any sense. This is a big change. A ...
      »k man: Not sure where I had heard the following in the past, but the basic ...
      »IDon'tKnow 3rdBase: I believe the problem of inequality occurs when a 70 team plays a 65 ...
      »k man: IDK, I think you are confusing teams with same rating and teams of ...
      »breeze53: Using the same thought process that SSUSA used when Timberworks were ...
      »TimMcElroy: Speaking for myself here- I reached out to a number of 65s managers ...
      »neck10: About time now you can play by same rules in all divisions.
      »NYGNYY: Tim. Thanks for your comments and homework you did prior to the ...
      »neck10: Thanks a lot Tim I thought all along (which I totally agree with) it ...
      »softball4b: Change of Direction - This change will further go to protect the ...
      »Dbax: Mike, played this weekend with the middle infielder. It had ...
      »softball4b: DC you make my point for me, Royse made the plays because he is good ...
      »gpump: IMO, rather you are for or against it, this particular rule change ...
      »NEW TEAM: GREAT RULE CHANGE will help when you play 70 major teams
      »Jimmy.p: I am amazed at a 12 to zip vote,you must have been chewing on the ...
      »JB Bronson: 11 players on defense is a terrible rule change. There are so many ...
      »neck10: I'm glad to see the middle infielder,if we only have 11 guy's going ...
      »NYGNYY: How does playing 11 extend a players career? Maybe Iím missing ...
      »TimMcElroy: As explained to me by a couple of managers, guys are more likely to ...
      »bkb555: I am not close to playing 65s yet but an extra fielder may actually ...
      »TAT22: I think a lot of players are misunderstanding the new rule. Your team ...
      »mck71: So I have been playing for a LONG time as most of you have been, what ...
      »AKA: Southpaw: I personally like having a middle infielder if he is competent in ...
      »Shortstop 13: I couldnít be more against this new rule. It seems to me that if a ...
      »Nancy Allen: In I believe 2017 (Dave could better tell you from the agenda) I ...
      »softball4b: I could talk about people who post anonymously, rumors and innuendos, ...
      »FOFO: I agree with you 100% Mike. Why do people post ...
      »pizzaboy: Personally I think we should use 11 men in all divisions of senior ...
      »Montanapnc: My experience as a left handed relatively fast outfielder on a 65 ...
      »maskedman: love it! should have been done long ago. hope it comes to 60s soon. ...
      »neck10: I wonder if it was a big a deal when we went to four man ...
      »OZ40: When you play the teams you see all the time and if you really know ...
      »jca: Who cares. More get to play the field. Maybe just a little less a ...
      »NYGNYY: JCA. I care -getting to sit an inning a game helps when you get to ...
      »Nancy Allen: Neck10, I don't remember that but am so much younger than you. I ...
      »neck10: Nancy that was way back when u couuld keep the gate ...
      »Uncle Mike: If you are a good hitter and there are 3 guys on 1 side of 2nd base- ...
      »DieselDan: Uncle Mike. Bingo! (But, some players refuse to change their ...
      »NYGNYY: Merry Christmas So based on the feedback above the rule change is ...
      »stick8: Rickey I vaguely remember those days. You might know better than I ...
      »DaveDowell: NY≤ ... Change is inevitable ... This unanimous 12-0 vote was simply, ...
      »NYGNYY: D2. Finally I hear from you and I appreciate the update. Merry ...
      »Fabe: Such a blessing to witness healthy debate n different perspectives ...
      »Corn: My alignment favors the 11th fielder. Another component of the ...
      »DaveDowell: Corn ... You're not out there in the Twilight Zone at all! ... If you ...
      »Corn: WowóIím 64 and Howdy Doody was pretty much passť in my time as a ...
56 Jan. 1, 2022 4102

Interference or Obstruction or no call

» BillC48: This happened at a local rec league game and I need the assistance of ...
      »Turning2: Tough one here to call without seeing the play unfold. I initially ...
      »B.J.: BillC... hmmm did you happen to attend my umpire clinic in The ...
      »BillC48: HI BJ & Turning2- Thank you both for your responses. An no, I was not ...
3 Dec. 14, 2021 300

Coin flips

» stattad: A rule suggestion I made a few years ago gets defeated every year. ...
      »DaveDowell: Hi Tad ... Your exact favored procedure wasn't actually considered ...
      »Junior2412: Tad, I was thinking of something similar but a little different. The ...
      »stattad: Well, I always advocated for a coin flip in the championship game ...
      »TimMcElroy: I voted against the coin flip in championship games for a few ...
      »DaveDowell: And the most common "gets it wrong" is from the umpire who, after ...
      »grayhitter59: Ok, here goes nothing. I think the seeding you earned should ...
      »TimMcElroy: Who is the "higher seed" in Round Robin divisions? Who is the ...
      »DaveDowell: Final thoughts from me on this one ... Manny ... Which is more ...
      »stick8: When I ump menís ball the winner of the winners bracket automatically ...
      »rmp0012002: I think coin flips should only be used in the pool play games since ...
      »The Screamer5: Just my opinion but I believe having the "hammer" is such a BIG ...
      »Doak: Hello I am a player on the Timberworks 70 Major plus team and take ...
      »Mango: DoakÖ.shhhhhh! Donít let this out. Actually I agree with you that in ...
      »DaveDowell: Doak and Mango ... You both have done a nice job in proving the ...
      »tnacty: Late to the game cuz I don't spend a lot of time here. Dave apologies ...
15 Dec. 14, 2021 967

Runner Interference and Dead Bal

» IDon'tKnow 3rdBase: This happened at the Phoenix Winternationals this month. Runners on ...
      »B.J.: once INT. is called it becomes a dead ball and the runner is called ...
      »DCPete: ??? Why would the Umpire wait until After the play was over to call ...
      »B.J.: DC.. umpire error... yes, time should be called immediately
      »stick8: What happened at second that resulted in the umpire calling ...
      »IDon'tKnow 3rdBase: Sorry for the late response Stick. The umpire felt the runner going ...
      »gpump: We had a similar issue in a game we played in Phoenix, however the ...
      »stick8: Ok thatís fine, But the post from and BJ & DC Pete raises a good ...
      »Turning2: IDK3Base - BJ, DCP, and S8 have all responded with correct ruling for ...
8 Dec. 8, 2021 596

watch this umpires out call

» B.J.: I'm going to start teaching this out call mechanic at my umpire ...
0 Dec. 7, 2021 245

Baserunner hit by batted ball

» SarasotaShep: Runner on 1B, no outs. Batted ball hits the runner in fair territory, ...
      »SSUSA Staff: If the baserunner never left the bag, he is SAFE. Whether or not it ...
1 Dec. 3, 2021 315
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2021 SSUSA NATIONAL RULES COMMITTEE MEETINGS ē Official Minutes

» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2021 SSUS ...
0 Dec. 2, 2021 1292

Happy Thanksgiving to SSUSA players, families, friends

» Turning2: Hope all have a safe and bountiful Thanksgiving and share with others ...
      »GI: Just wanted to pass on my thankfulness at being able to still play a ...
1 Nov. 25, 2021 186

Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

» jgoff5113: To avoid being quick-pitched after the first pitch has been thrown, ...
      »DaveDowell: It's a "play ball" situation unless/until you ask for, AND ARE ...
      »B.J.: jgoff.. as stated by Dave this is a live ball situationÖ if You know ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks Dave and BJ. So it sounds like if a batter steps out without ...
      »DaveDowell: jgoff5113 ... I like B.J.'s suggestion a lot of asking for time on ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks Dave! Just one more thing Iíll add: I sometimes step out ...
      »stick8: This has always been a stickler of an issue with players. When I ...
      »DieselDan: Would the Nomar Garciaparra routine be acceptable Stick8?
      »stick8: Sure, he didnít take nearly as long as Hargrove did. Thereís a good ...
      »Guppy7325: I will say this, pitchers are creatures of habit.. if you the first ...
      »MurrayW: It also goes the other way. After all, this is slow pitch softball. ...
      »stick8: Ever notice on the rare occasion when someone swings and misses the ...
      »Kimbo Chino: GENTLEMEN, QUICK PITCH IS NOT ALLOWED. here is the rules from the ...
      »Turning2: KC - Good job in referencing both the definition and applicable rule ...
      »hackman: A couple things from the rule book: 1.56 ē QUICK PITCH A pitch made ...
      »stick8: T2, if youíre referring to my post once again your a bit mistaken. ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 - yes my post was in reference to your post. No, I was not ...
      »B.J.: T2.. some quick pitches can be called illegal.. for example say a ...
      »stick8: T2, Iím sorry but you are quite mistaken. Please process this if you ...
      »stick8: BJ, ďpresenting the ballĒ was from a now deceased old school UIC I ...
      »TimMcElroy: Welcome to the off season, where a simple question results in 34 ...
      »mck71: Come on Tim, was only 21 with your reply (22 with mine :-) Happy ...
      »Turning2: stick8 - the biggest problem with these discussions come as a result ...
      »Dbax: But Iím not here to argue.
      »B.J.: Itís time to close this thread
24 Nov. 22, 2021 1040

Re-entry

» k man: I managed our team in Ft. Myers and an incident happened with my team ...
      »k man: BTW, I think I found it in the rules. Page 27 user Substitutes ...
1 Nov. 19, 2021 451

New rules

» nails: Is their a list of the new rules being voted on this month? Iíve ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The preliminary Rules Committee topics that may be considered for ...
      »nails: And iam told new rules e effective for 2022 season. Thanks
      »SSUSA Staff: SSUSA considers rules changes ONE TIME PER YEAR, during the National ...
3 Nov. 13, 2021 597

Tag/No tag play -- does the tagged run count?

» jgoff5113: Scenario: Runners on 1st and 3rd with 1 out. Batter hits a fly ball ...
      »Duckman: Run counts. Runner not tagging up is a Timed Out with the 3rd out ...
      »DaveDowell: Duckman is correct ... Run counts on this "timing play" ... Many ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks Dave and Duckman! That's exactly what I wanted to understand: ...
3 Nov. 5, 2021 363

Runner struck by batted ball while on base in fair territory

» warren60: If a batted ball strikes a runner while he is still on hois starting ...
      »stick8: The runner is not out. If the closest fielder is behind the runner ...
      »B.J.: I agree with stick... but it doesn't matter whether a batted ball ...
      »coop3636: Hey Guys If a runner is ON the base and is hit by the ball, it is a ...
      »stick8: BJ, thatís correct. It can pass thru a fielder without contacting ...
      »AJC: Whats the call if the ball is hit low and the runner jumps straight ...
      »DaveDowell: The base runner loses the protection and presumption of being "safe" ...
      »DirkPitt: One more comment to BJ's post. Assuming there was a fielder "in ...
      »spider9188: If a baserunner is hit by a fair batted ball while standing on a ...
      »stick8: Spider9188, it depends where the closest fielder is. If the closest ...
      »DaveDowell: spider9188 ... You are incorrect ... You have accurately stated the ...
      »warren60: Thanks all. I now understand the rule.
11 Nov. 4, 2021 946

Yet another you make the call

» stick8: SSUSA world tournament game. Fourth inning. Team A has 10 players on ...
      »msw4indy: I would ask if when they caught the 11th player, was he batting the ...
      »Donna McGuire: Two key points here: 1) Because the 11th spot in the lineup does ...
      »B.J.: Donna.. great points.. and whatever happened in the previous innings ...
      »stick8: BJ and Donna, both excellent points. This was in 60 major and I was ...
      »rmp0012002: The opposing scorekeeper should have caught the extra batter. What ...
      »stick8: Agreed about catching it rmp. How the opposing scorekeeper didnít ...
      »Turning2: I'm not very well versed on the subject of this post but have ...
      »B.J.: T2Ö. I donít necessarily disagree with you about a possible forfeit ...
      »stick8: T2, I can understand how a team would want a forfeit in the stated ...
      »Turning2: IF, and thatís quite a large two letter word, I were umpiring I would ...
      »Donna McGuire: T2, you ask how to know what to call. Maybe these actual SSUSA game ...
      »Turning2: DM - situation #1 you are referring to sounds like the opposing team ...
      »B.J.: T2.. once again you are making a statement against the offending ...
      »TimMcElroy: I think that Donna did a good job of explaining this situation and ...
      »Turning2: BJ - When you say i have once again made a statement against the ...
      »Fuzz: Donna's explanation seems a logical application of the ...
      »Turning2: Fuzz - Everyone likes to talk about "spirit/intent" of a rule, ...
      »stick8: T2, why would you ask a manager if he or she complied with the ...
      »Donna McGuire: T2, you assumed the Situation 1 stated above was the game you ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 - OK, during the discord between the two coaches or managers ...
      »Fuzz: T2 -- Please list and state the rule which says this situation will ...
      »mck71: I witnessed this as well and agree with how it was handled. Could ...
      »stick8: T2, why the argumentative tone in your posts? You stated that you ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 - give me the location in the rule book where you find the ...
      »stick8: T2, I have a better idea. Please cite your interpretation of rule ...
      »Turning2: Stick8 - thatís what Iím trying to do, just need your input on the ...
      »stick8: T2, why all of a sudden do you need input on ghost and phantom? ...
      »DaveDowell: Come on, stick8 ... It's all about ghosts and phantoms on Halloween ...
      »stick8: lol. Thatís true Dave. Theyíre out in droves!!
29 Oct. 30, 2021 1263

You make the call - please

» DCPete: This happened in a Rec League game: Rule 7.6.E says Batter is Out if ...
      »B.J.: dcpete.. in the past this issue has come up because MANY hitters do ...
      »Turning2: DCPete - Your post stated that the batter checked his swing, which an ...
      »DaveDowell: I was going to "sit this one out", but if the facts as presented by ...
      »B.J.: T2 & DD.. DD as you know I'm a stickler for how a rule is written, I ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Language clean-up is always a desired goal ... But unless ...
      »DCPete: Kind of agree with BJ regarding fixing the exact wording of this rule ...
      »B.J.: DCPete.. "EXCELLENT POINT" ... to any reasonably intelligent person) ...
      »Turning2: So the scenario below happens often in Senior softball: Batter takes ...
      »B.J.: T2Ö. Using the ďOPĒ and his judgment of the play he wroteÖ. A ...
      »Turning2: BJ I'm not on here to argue, but i will emphasize two sentences and ...
      »B.J.: T2.. I don't consider discussing a rule as arguing.. were good.. but ...
      »Turning2: BJ The positioning of the word deliberately in the sentence doesn't ...
      »B.J.: T2.. you just stated above that he stopped his swing .. so that takes ...
      »DCPete: Personally didn't care if the batter should be safe or out in this ...
      »Turning2: BJ & DCPete - there is an old saying, ďthereís only two ways to argue ...
      »B.J.: T2... lmao... that's hilarious adding DD in with you on you both ...
      »Webbie25: Interesting discussion. I believe the batter is out and here is why. ...
      »Turning2: BJ - I didn't ask DD to agree with me. He posted above in response ...
      »DCPete: Agree in principle with Webbie & T2 that a check swing should never ...
      »jimperry19: Webbie, I have always enjoyed your posts on this board and I have ...
      »Turning2: jimperry19 - not really sure who you are or why you commented? Do ...
      »Webbie25: Well, excuse me, Mr. Jim Perry. I was commenting on the original ...
      »txnighttrain: The key word in the rule is "deliberately". It is an umpire judgement ...
      »Turning2: txnighttrain - I'm sure there are a lot of folks on here struggling ...
24 Oct. 25, 2021 1079
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