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65s to 1-1 or not 1-1

» k man: Just got back from Ft Myers 65 AAA Played 7 and only 2 went the full ...
      »Shark: Just an FYI....that our team in Fort Myers played 9 games with a 1-1 ...
      »Wood_1966: I do not understand the thought process of sticking to the old method ...
      »GI: I agree it is about time to play with the 1-1 count as most of us ...
      »garyheifner: I have been led to believe that when a vote is thrown out there, the ...
      »Jawood: Really k man? Since the 1 and 1 count was implemented two seasons ...
      »k man: Jawood, all I can tell you is from what we experienced and I have in ...
      »GI: I want to thank several of you who have called or sent me e-mail ...
      »baseballbill: The 1&1 count kills wasted dead time, more action with less standing ...
      »NYGNYY: I grew up playing with the ďold schoolĒ and have no problem with it. ...
      »GI: Just to update I looked on my G Mail ansd saw a note from senior ...
      »garyheifner: NYGNYY I play outfield and pitch or catch when needed. It is very ...
      »NYGNYY: garyheifner---Totally missed my point with your definition of what a ...
      »garyheifner: Sorry, I got it totally wrong. I kinda now know what it feels like ...
      »TimMcElroy: garyheifner- HILARIOUS ! Way to keep it light.
      »NYGNYY: Amen to that garyheifner! Enjoy the holidays
      »Fabe: U may never see that first good pitch again! Unless many walks are ...
      »MurrayW: It's slow pitch softball. How bad can the next strike be to ...
      »Gavin5: I support the 1:1 starting pitch count for 75s division, and in fact ...
      »GI: I had batting practice last weekend with a 65 team that played 60's ...
      »chico senior: GI - You either have some misprints or some mistakes. The 60ís start ...
      »GI: Thanks sorry for not writing it right. Now you know why I am a ...
      »GI: Has anyone heard anything from Vegas meeting this week about the 1-1 ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Rules Committee Sessions concluded yesterday (Thursday) and the ...
      »NYGNYY: The rules committee voted 12 to 0 in favor of changing all ages to 1 ...
      »GI: Bless you Senior softball. Free at last free at last Thank God ...
      »JBTexas : I maybe the only one but I'm disappointed the rule was changed for ...
      »NYGNYY: JB Tx I am with you 100%. Guess thatís a ? for Don Brooks who ...
      »DaveDowell: There were five (5) separately submitted written requests to the ...
      »NYGNYY: DD as always thanks for the follow up and information. 5 requests ...
      »JBTexas : Dave, Didn't know we had to submit a request to keep a rule, we ...
      »DieselDan: What JBTexas just posted.
      »DaveDowell: Here's a bit of historical factual background ... Support for the ...
      »DieselDan: But, it seems Dave, "a hot topic, like this one", probably should ...
      »NYGNYY: Thanks again DD for the feedback and facts. I thought you used this ...
      »DaveDowell: Dan ... I guess anything can be "surveyed" as often as it makes sense ...
35 Dec. 8, 2019 1822

Opinions on being called out of the batters box - Continued

» Sisavic: I'm not sure why but I had to start a new discussion because I ...
      »STL0: Sisavic - While I don't disagree that the box could have been ...
      »Wayne 37: I've tried to explain this several times, but some people like to add ...
      »B.J.: wayne, without insulting you.. again these 2 rules explaining that a ...
      »Wayne 37: Again, batting position, where does it state partially outside? ...
      »B.J.: wayne...since you seem to know all, then answer this question about ...
5 Dec. 7, 2019 400

Opinions on being called out of the batters box

» cuda65: In two recent tournaments, I got called out for stepping out of the ...
      »B.J.: cuda.. it should never matter the age of the player.. remember just ...
      »cuda65: Thanks B.J. I appreciate your response. I stand near the front of ...
      »garyheifner: I still do not understand the need for a batters box. Regardless of ...
      »garyheifner: My previous--so batter CAN'T close the distance.
      »B.J.: gary.. I'm confused.. 1st you say you do not understand the need for ...
      »garyheifner: It is really quite simple. Without a line in front, a batter could ...
      »Nancy Allen: A friend of mine made a point to me that I had never considered. He ...
      »B.J.: gary.. thx for the explanation.. if there was no full box as you call ...
      »lowprofile: Nancy great point, this subject never seems to go away lol. As I have ...
      »mck71: lowprofile - they do this in USSSA Conference, where as long as the ...
      »B.J.: MCK... I worked U-Trip for years.. and there are 2 big differences ...
      »lowprofile: mck,71 I was not aware that u-trip was doing this? it does make total ...
      »cuda65: Wow, thanks ladies and gents. Just as I had hoped, I got some ...
      »k man: In our local league, the batters boxes on the turf fields were deemed ...
      »mck71: Doesn't site a rule number BJ, but this was taken off OldScout ...
      »grayhitter59: I understand the rule, I believe when this rule was written softball ...
      »DaveDowell: The National Rules Committee sessions for this year are upcoming this ...
      »Wayne 37: It would help if you would define what constitutes being in the box ...
      »B.J.: just when you thought it couldn't get any worse... he's back
      »SSUSA Staff: Here's an "English as a Second Language" version for you, Wayne ... ...
      »Wayne 37: I WOULDN'T TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE WORDING, BUT YOU HAVE SOME YAHOO'S ...
      »TimMcElroy: What the firetruck?
      »titanhd: The issue is that the hitter has to protect 34-1/2" of strike zone. ...
      »TimMcElroy: Teams combine for 30+ runs in a high percentage of games played under ...
      »B.J.: Wayne.. since my initials rhyme with EK I will assume you mean me ...
25 Dec. 1, 2019 1060

75 Roster

» Don25: We are trying to put together a 75 team for 2020. Rule 13.2(4) B. ...
      »cyborg45: My understanding of the rule is they must turn 74 during the calendar ...
1 Nov. 26, 2019 164

Base path Distance

» hacks: Would like to see the rule changed from 70 to 65 feet
      »TimMcElroy: hacks, Rules change proposals are considered at the annual ...
      »k man: If you shorten the bases in the 65 and above, that should save some ...
      »TimMcElroy: I disqgree with you k man. 65' base paths lead to more runners ...
      »DieselDan: k man: Might not have thought of changes to make games faster with ...
      »Nancy Allen: k man, we all have our wishes. Mine is eliminating the extra foul. ...
      »k man: Tim, DD and Nancy I actually made that comment in jest. But thinking ...
      »Nancy Allen: k man, we can always use a little fun. The older I get; the better I ...
      »garyheifner: From our team observation, the move to 70' bases brought the Dlb play ...
8 Nov. 22, 2019 496

Base runner using the safety bag at 1st base

» jgoff5113: Situation: Runner on 1st. Next batter is a lefty and often hits hard ...
      »B.J.: jgoff.. once the runner attains 1st base then both bags merge as ...
      »jgoff5113: Awesome B.J.! Thanks for pointing me to the right place in the ...
      »k man: Just got back from Ft Myers where the umpire in his pregame meeting ...
      »DaveDowell: k man ē That was a potential blown call just waiting to happen. There ...
      »B.J.: Kman.. as Dave stated since the addition of the sentence I posted ...
      »k man: BJ, the tension at home plate when I disagreed with the ump, could ...
      »Nancy Allen: k man, I hope that I am always approachable when I officiate. I used ...
      »k man: Nancy, you are probably correct about that and I appreciate your ...
      »Nancy Allen: k man, thank you. It does happen. Unfortunately some officials just ...
9 Nov. 15, 2019 562

Rule Interpretation

» Hamstring: Runners on 1st and 3rd, one out. Batter hits a popup to the 2nd ...
      »lowprofile: Thinking the batter is automatically out once the ump called infield ...
      »B.J.: what mistake did the umpire make?? .. he called IF and per your ...
      »Player: Sorry, but I have to throw a different perspective on the ...
      »B.J.: ooops!!! not only did your umpire suffer a senior moment so sis I ...
      »Hamstring: If we go by the umpire ruling infield fly, why is the batter awarded ...
      »B.J.: hamstring.. this could go 2 ways .. if the umpire tried to stay with ...
      »stick8: This may sound odd. As horrific as this call sounds like and as ...
      »lowprofile: Hamstring, I'm just going by what the called play as you ...
      »swing for the fences : runner at second is safe, it's not a force on infield fly rule ...
      »chico senior: Swing - Iím not sure why you say everyone on base should know it is ...
      »swing for the fences : my bad,, it was the umpires fault. guess the rule is to run ...
      »chico senior: Iím not even sure where you start with this umpire screw up. This is ...
      »chico senior: Tom Bussey - What would you do in the situation described?
      »stick8: I side with lowprofile on this. Allow me to add the umpires right arm ...
14 Nov. 14, 2019 741

Is a check-swing or deliberate half-swing legal?

» jgoff5113: In the World Masters Tourney that just concluded, a batter made a ...
      »STL0: The only thing in the rule book I could find after a quick look that ...
      »Nancy Allen: I have always admired what we call here a good slap hitter. Very few ...
      »B.J.: STLO. You are correct there is no definition for what a full swing is ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks everyone for your comments. STL0: For what it's worth, this ...
      »jgoff5113: And Nancy: His wrists were not turned.
      »stick8: Jgoff5113, as long as the batter takes a full swing heís fine. A ...
      »Nancy Allen: Jgoff5113, it would be coming down with the bat like an axe from what ...
      »B.J.: ok I'm going to stir the pot some more.. I have yet to see a well ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., I totally agree. It is a myth that there is a rule anywhere ...
      »stick8: True, there is no rule that states players must take a full swing. ...
      »B.J.: stick, I think you misunderstood me.. there is such a rule.. I do ...
      »STL0: Nancy: Rule 7.6 (E) CLEARLY states that the batter must take a full ...
      »Nancy Allen: STL0, you're right. I am saying what I am thinking wrong. You can't ...
      »STL0: All good Nancy...just didn't understand why you were saying that. ...
      »jgoff5113: Thank-you all for educating me on this. I suppose it would be unfair ...
15 Nov. 11, 2019 489

Illegal Courtesy Runner?

» SCUBA: Rule 8.5(5) A courtesy runner must report to, and be acknowledged ...
      »B.J.: scuba.. the umpire should ALWAYS call time after all play has stopped ...
      »grayhitter59: the team using the CR has up until the umpire calls for a pitch to ...
      »SCUBA: OK, help me out here. Sure, the umpire could have avoided this ...
      »B.J.: scuba.. the umpires failure for not calling time out really has ...
4 Nov. 8, 2019 306

70 Maj + V. 65 Major

» Mason's Grandpa: Dave, If a 65 Major Team is playing against a 70 Major Plus Team, ...
      »DaveDowell: Grandpa ... ALMOST ... The game(s) are played under the 65+ GAME ...
      »Mason's Grandpa: Thanks Dave, I appreciate the response
      »Mason's Grandpa: Dave, Out of Curiosity. WHY is a 70 Major Plus Team playing in the ...
      »DaveDowell: Grandpa ... There's a rather lengthy thread (Major+ Teams in Winter ...
4 Nov. 8, 2019 351

Use one up for home runs this year

» tall_thunder: I'm not sure when the committee gets together to discuss any rules ...
      »DCPete: Agree 100%; they used to have this rule but got rid of it for some ...
      »DaveDowell: The SSUSA National Rules Committee sessions this year are at the ...
      »TimMcElroy: I am strongly opposed to the one-up rule because it actually helps ...
      »DaveDowell: Tall_thunder and DCPete ... How would you feel about a true one-up ...
      »chico senior: Our team for the most part plays NCSSA tournaments. They use the one ...
      »Wizard of Oz: Hey Dave, how would you feel about making the HR limits the same for ...
      »DCPete: Actually Dave no one should have a problem with your "true" one-up ...
      »DaveDowell: chico - The NCSSA model was my inspiration for that suggestion ... ...
      »Wizard of Oz: Dave....Iím not arguing HR limits... I agree each rating should have ...
      »Nancy Allen: I won't speak to all of the ways that I have seen associations ...
      »BallPlayer35: Here is my opinion: All Maj+ - 10hrs & DHH - Another reason to ...
      »Uncle Mike: I would love to see : Major + - 10 Home Runs Major - 3 Home ...
      »Nancy Allen: BallPlayer35, just for clarification for anyone reading your post, ...
      »TimMcElroy: I whisper "What the firetruck" to myself at least 10 times a day. ...
      »DaveDowell: Tim ... These could, if they miraculously end up on the Rules ...
      »Nancy Allen: These are perfect examples of why I like so many home runs only just ...
      »garyheifner: What is awesome about all the above is that our 3 hitter hit one out ...
      »Wizard of Oz: Dave not sure what comment or comments seem to amuse you and your ...
      »DaveDowell: Wiz ... A lot of the commentary across many topics here is highly ...
      »BEEBIC: I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THE 'ONE UP RULE' FOR ...
      »Nancy Allen: BEBIC, my reason for thinking is because of the development of rules ...
      »DCPete: Nancy; having to keeping track of the HR one-up rules is just another ...
      »Nancy Allen: DCPete, I appreciate that, and I personally have no problem doing ...
      »garyheifner: I guess I can't understand the big issue here. If U get 3 Hrs a ...
      »ChiPrimeMarty: My $.02, followed by a suggestion: The AAA & Major teams I've ...
      »Uncle Mike: @ChiPrimeMarty I have actually seen a game where Windy City ...
      »ChiPrimeMarty: Uncle Mike, Windy City has been M or M+ for as long as I can remember ...
      »Uncle Mike: Sorry it was WC Thunder in 50 AAA in 2013
      »tall_thunder: WOW, haven't checked this site in a while. I see our Directors like ...
      »tall_thunder: Sorry, ran out of room. My suggestion was to possible help ...
      »Nancy Allen: tall_thunder, it sounds like you are not too happy. I have a lot of ...
      »DaveDowell: tall_thunder ... Please feel free to submit any suggestions you might ...
      »tall_thunder: Trying to describe an incident on here is tough. It was November ...
      »tall_thunder: Dang, too long again. Anyways. I've played ball since I was 12, and ...
      »TimMcElroy: tall_thunder: 2 things- 1) This thread began with your proposed ...
      »Wayne 37: So now an unannounced substitute is an illegal substitute even if ...
      »TimMcElroy: Sir, Refer to Section 4.7 of the SSUSA rulebook for clarification ...
      »SKings24: Always hear lets not make it more difficult for our umpires, they ...
      »Nancy Allen: SKings24, I respectfully disagree with part of your statements. ...
      »Wayne 37: Tim, I am perfectly aware of the rule and it makes no sense if the ...
40 Nov. 2, 2019 2368

Red meat for umpire types

» TimMcElroy: Many of us have an opinion on the interference call that was made in ...
      »DaveDowell: With the double "safety base" in play, my view is that's an automatic ...
      »tattooball: The rule is pretty clear on that call. Problem is they didn't enforce ...
      »TimMcElroy: ^^^ Agreed. Much like the out of the box call, it is normally the ...
      »cw: Kyle Schwarber from the Cubs tweeted about using the double bag after ...
      »stick8: Tim to answer the question if there were two bases Turner would be ...
      »B.J.: Tim, if a runner failed to run on the foul side of the base path ...
      »DaveDowell: Don't get me started on THAT one stick8 ... Ha! ... There is NO ...
      »TimMcElroy: I whispered "what the firetruck" at least 10 times that day.
      »B.J.: I don't have a horse in the race but in my OP it was a bad call ...
      »B.J.: Dave, just to rile you up...lol... years ago I was one of the ...
      »Sisavic: Dave, consider adding this "When all else fails" rule. I was playing ...
      »DieselDan: Turner knew what he was doing last night. His left foot touched the ...
      »DaveDowell: Sisavic ... I LIKE that auxiliary "flip" rule ... I've actually used ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, please close your eyes for a moment. B.J., the orange bag was ...
      »mck71: I believe what most have stated, the rule was "applied" correctly as ...
      »DaveDowell: Agreed, Mike ... Great series ... Question of the moment is whether ...
      »mck71: And the ROAD-FIELD ADVANTAGE WINS, UNBELIEVABLE!
      »DieselDan: Nancy Doing soccer is similar, at least when I was still doing ...
      »DaveDowell: Mike ... I was listening to the radio coverage of the first couple of ...
      »Shark: Interesting that if you listened to Joe Torre's explanation on that ...
      »tattooball: The rule is the rule and call was correct. It doesn't mean you have ...
      »mck71: Dave, the way that Greinke was pitching, wasn't sure how this one ...
      »stick8: Dave youíre correct about touching part of the orange bag (that was a ...
      »stick8: BJ, I share your concerns about that!! Why itís not reviewable is a ...
      »garyheifner: what I don't get about the call is that the runners lead foot hit the ...
      »Wayne 37: I thought they called Turner out for interfering with Gurriel's ...
26 Nov. 2, 2019 838

Team Roster Clarification-2020

» MartyM: if you play in the November qualifier(Ft. Myers in this case) with a ...
      »mck71: Marty - at some point Dave would come on here and tell you this - ...
      »MartyM: Thanks mck71, took your advice and emailed Tiffany. Will post her ...
      »mck71: You are most certainly welcome Marty. The part that I am def not ...
      »MartyM: mck71, Here is Tiffany's response, First part is clear as you noted, ...
      »mck71: That is what I thought but better to know exactly. Thx again Marty!
5 Oct. 31, 2019 498

Commitment Line

» Capt Kirk: We had a play in league, 3rd baseman chased the runner pass the ...
      »JBTexas : Gary, you are 100% correct, runner cannot be touch for a out once he ...
      »DaveDowell: Simple 4-word answer ē Umpire blew the call
      »stick8: Umpire sure did botch that one! Allow me to add that once a runner ...
3 Oct. 25, 2019 446

Correction

» Wayne 37: There was a discussion about BOOO. I really wasn't paying attention ...
0 Oct. 23, 2019 199

Two Umpires make opposite call on same play

» DirkPitt: Bases loaded, two outs, tie game in extra innings (top of inning). ...
      »TimMcElroy: You won't find a section of the rule book dedicated to "When umpires ...
      »OZ40: It's always good to talk to your partner before the game. Whenever we ...
      »stick8: You likely will not find this situation addressed in any association ...
      »B.J.: Exactly what Tim said.. there is no excuse for this to happen.. I ...
      »stick8: BJ I agree with you on moving inside the baseline to watch for tags ...
      »STL0: Stick - If the umpire called time during the middle of the play, ...
      »stick8: Good question STL0. The answer is yes. See below. The home plate ...
      »Jay Cas: From a umpire standpoint, I must first say that the homeplate umpire ...
      »Wayne 37: Some interesting points here. My suggestion would be at the very ...
9 Oct. 21, 2019 701

Out of the Batter's Box

» SCUBA: When is the batter considered out of the batter's box when he is hit ...
      »B.J.: SCUBA.. this question came up a few years ago and there were ...
      »Wayne 37: Batter hit by batted ball with both feet legally in the box is a foul ...
      »SCUBA: Wayne37, I can't find your first sentence in the rulebook. According ...
      »B.J.: SCUBA.. welcome to Wayne's world.. a batter hit with a batted ...
      »Wayne 37: SCUBA, I'm sure you've seen games on TV where a batter will *FOUL* a ...
      »DieselDan: SSUSA RULES SUMMARY FOR 2019 Batter's Box Batter's box is ...
      »Wayne 37: Dan, I'm aware of that. Does that mean a batter can have the back ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. again, READ THE RULE BOOK it would answer most of your ...
8 Oct. 21, 2019 558

stats

» shortstop33: Home team ahead in bottom of 6th get three hits score two runs should ...
      »shortstop33: Does anyone out there no the answer to this question. In the MLB the ...
      »mck71: ss33 - if the game is still in question, which would make sense since ...
      »DaveDowell: Sounds like your league may be an "X number of minutes, game over" ...
      »shortstop33: the rain came in the bottom of the 6th, we play 7 and the home team ...
      »DaveDowell: New facts (or additional ones) change my answer... In a shortened ...
5 Oct. 12, 2019 513

Is it a double play

» timmyb: This was a very heated discussion in the winners bracket game between ...
      »B.J.: timmyb.. I'm not sure what you mean by didn't tag correctly? do you ...
      »timmyb: Thank you bj , itís exactly as you state it . The umpire said the ...
      »B.J.: I meant to post the below rule yesterday.. 8.4(8) ē WHEN RUNNERS ...
      »STL0: Hard to believe 2 site directors agreed with that call. That doesn't ...
      »stick8: Timmyb, strictly going by the way you describe the play I have the ...
      »stick8: In effect itís almost like an infield fly rule
      »timmyb: Thanks all , the only reason i put this is on the board , is the site ...
      »timmyb: Also , this was an extremely hard hit ball , and deflection , there ...
      »B.J.: timmyb.. just in case you ever have a rules dispute in the future.. ...
      »Wayne 37: FYI ~ This is in no way, shape or form an infield fly [insert eye ...
      »stick8: BJ, I would venture to say some umpires donít know the rules!!
      »Jay Cas: Technically, The tournament directors or UIC should not be getting ...
      »TOMAR77: If I may contribute. As I read the Rules and being a former ...
      »timmyb: Tomar, thank you . This is no different ( unless Dave says so ) than ...
      »B.J.: TOMAR77 .. the batted ball that was in flight and went off the ...
      »stick8: Tomar77, In this situation I believe youíre incorrect when you say ...
      »TOMAR77: O.K., intertepations have been opined. I would suggest that Rick ...
      »DaveDowell: Tomar ... Rick doesn't "do" the Message Board, so I'll take a swing ...
      »Wayne 37: I wasn't for sure, but I would have thought what Jay Cas posted was ...
      »TOMAR77: Thanks Dave for the response. So if a ball hits a D-Player goes ...
      »STL0: Tomar: What everyone is trying to say is that the runner at first ...
      »DaveDowell: Tomar ... The base runner must tag up on a caught "fly ball", but the ...
      »B.J.: TOMAR... you are making this harder than it should be.. The runner ...
      »marcster13: I am picturing this happening in real time. The runner would have ...
      »DaveDowell: That MAY well be accurate, but is inconsistent with the initial fact ...
      »TOMAR77: Got it. I interpreted timmyb's post, that the runner did NOT tag-up ...
      »TOMAR77: O.K, NOW I really got it ! Thanks to all who enlightened me. I did ...
      »stick8: Timmyb with due respect to that umpire it sounds like he botched the ...
28 Oct. 9, 2019 1191

is the runner out?

» 1jonsey: Runner is on 2b, the batter hits a ground ball up the middle and it ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey, in the play you described itís a live ball, runners are free ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I agree with you once the pitcher touches the ball it should ...
      »stick8: BJ, I judge it by the pitcher trying to make a play on the ball. ...
      »B.J.: stick.. yes I agree once the pitcher makes contact with the batted ...
      »stick8: I donít understand that one either BJ. From what I read Dave is ...
      »Wayne 37: Focus on the the part that says (excluding the pitcher). Very ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. you never gave an answer as to what your call would be.. is ...
      »1jonsey: thanx for responding, but I'm still not sure if the runner is out on ...
      »STL0: Runner on 2B is not out when touched by the ball after the pitcher ...
      »Wayne 37: ß8.2 C. only addresses one way a batter becomes a batter-runner and ...
      »1jonsey: wayne, why would the runner have to return to 2b, the rule says it's ...
      »Wayne 37: When it comes down to it, SSUSA rules seem to be a whole different ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. I don't think I've ever said this to you but you are right ...
      »Wayne 37: You just earned yourself a big eyeroll young man. If the umpire ...
      »1jonsey: will a senior softball staff member please take the time to answer my ...
      »TimMcElroy: 1jonsey If the pitcher makes a play on the ball and it deflects ...
      »1jonsey: Tim, thank you
      »Wayne 37: But that's not what the rule says. I've raised issues before about ...
      »TimMcElroy: 1jonsey. You are welcome.
      »B.J.: Tim.. thx for the clarification I wish you had gotten involved with ...
20 Oct. 6, 2019 1340
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