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Two Umpires make opposite call on same play

» DirkPitt: Bases loaded, two outs, tie game in extra innings (top of inning). ...
      »TimMcElroy: You won't find a section of the rule book dedicated to "When umpires ...
      »OZ40: It's always good to talk to your partner before the game. Whenever we ...
      »stick8: You likely will not find this situation addressed in any association ...
      »B.J.: Exactly what Tim said.. there is no excuse for this to happen.. I ...
      »stick8: BJ I agree with you on moving inside the baseline to watch for tags ...
      »STL0: Stick - If the umpire called time during the middle of the play, ...
      »stick8: Good question STL0. The answer is yes. See below. The home plate ...
7 Oct. 16, 2019 398

stats

» shortstop33: Home team ahead in bottom of 6th get three hits score two runs should ...
      »shortstop33: Does anyone out there no the answer to this question. In the MLB the ...
      »mck71: ss33 - if the game is still in question, which would make sense since ...
      »DaveDowell: Sounds like your league may be an "X number of minutes, game over" ...
      »shortstop33: the rain came in the bottom of the 6th, we play 7 and the home team ...
      »DaveDowell: New facts (or additional ones) change my answer... In a shortened ...
5 Oct. 12, 2019 391

Is it a double play

» timmyb: This was a very heated discussion in the winners bracket game between ...
      »B.J.: timmyb.. I'm not sure what you mean by didn't tag correctly? do you ...
      »timmyb: Thank you bj , it’s exactly as you state it . The umpire said the ...
      »B.J.: I meant to post the below rule yesterday.. 8.4(8) • WHEN RUNNERS ...
      »STL0: Hard to believe 2 site directors agreed with that call. That doesn't ...
      »stick8: Timmyb, strictly going by the way you describe the play I have the ...
      »stick8: In effect it’s almost like an infield fly rule
      »timmyb: Thanks all , the only reason i put this is on the board , is the site ...
      »timmyb: Also , this was an extremely hard hit ball , and deflection , there ...
      »B.J.: timmyb.. just in case you ever have a rules dispute in the future.. ...
      »Wayne 37: FYI ~ This is in no way, shape or form an infield fly [insert eye ...
      »stick8: BJ, I would venture to say some umpires don’t know the rules!!
      »Jay Cas: Technically, The tournament directors or UIC should not be getting ...
      »TOMAR77: If I may contribute. As I read the Rules and being a former ...
      »timmyb: Tomar, thank you . This is no different ( unless Dave says so ) than ...
      »B.J.: TOMAR77 .. the batted ball that was in flight and went off the ...
      »stick8: Tomar77, In this situation I believe you’re incorrect when you say ...
      »TOMAR77: O.K., intertepations have been opined. I would suggest that Rick ...
      »DaveDowell: Tomar ... Rick doesn't "do" the Message Board, so I'll take a swing ...
      »Wayne 37: I wasn't for sure, but I would have thought what Jay Cas posted was ...
      »TOMAR77: Thanks Dave for the response. So if a ball hits a D-Player goes ...
      »STL0: Tomar: What everyone is trying to say is that the runner at first ...
      »DaveDowell: Tomar ... The base runner must tag up on a caught "fly ball", but the ...
      »B.J.: TOMAR... you are making this harder than it should be.. The runner ...
      »marcster13: I am picturing this happening in real time. The runner would have ...
      »DaveDowell: That MAY well be accurate, but is inconsistent with the initial fact ...
      »TOMAR77: Got it. I interpreted timmyb's post, that the runner did NOT tag-up ...
      »TOMAR77: O.K, NOW I really got it ! Thanks to all who enlightened me. I did ...
      »stick8: Timmyb with due respect to that umpire it sounds like he botched the ...
28 Oct. 9, 2019 1036

is the runner out?

» 1jonsey: Runner is on 2b, the batter hits a ground ball up the middle and it ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey, in the play you described it’s a live ball, runners are free ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I agree with you once the pitcher touches the ball it should ...
      »stick8: BJ, I judge it by the pitcher trying to make a play on the ball. ...
      »B.J.: stick.. yes I agree once the pitcher makes contact with the batted ...
      »stick8: I don’t understand that one either BJ. From what I read Dave is ...
      »Wayne 37: Focus on the the part that says (excluding the pitcher). Very ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. you never gave an answer as to what your call would be.. is ...
      »1jonsey: thanx for responding, but I'm still not sure if the runner is out on ...
      »STL0: Runner on 2B is not out when touched by the ball after the pitcher ...
      »Wayne 37: §8.2 C. only addresses one way a batter becomes a batter-runner and ...
      »1jonsey: wayne, why would the runner have to return to 2b, the rule says it's ...
      »Wayne 37: When it comes down to it, SSUSA rules seem to be a whole different ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. I don't think I've ever said this to you but you are right ...
      »Wayne 37: You just earned yourself a big eyeroll young man. If the umpire ...
      »1jonsey: will a senior softball staff member please take the time to answer my ...
      »TimMcElroy: 1jonsey If the pitcher makes a play on the ball and it deflects ...
      »1jonsey: Tim, thank you
      »Wayne 37: But that's not what the rule says. I've raised issues before about ...
      »TimMcElroy: 1jonsey. You are welcome.
      »B.J.: Tim.. thx for the clarification I wish you had gotten involved with ...
20 Oct. 6, 2019 1219

Make the Call

» Gonedeep43: Ran into a bit of a controversy yesterday at the 55M Worlds. The ...
      »Rick35: Pitch Count/ Men and Women 40, 50, 55 and 60 Age Divisions•Starting ...
      »Gonedeep43: I'm 6'4" and the batter was under 6 feet, so it was definitely over ...
      »B.J.: gonedeep43.. if in the UMPIRES judgement (not the catcher) the ball ...
      »stick8: Gonedeep43 in ssusa a foul tip has to be above the batters head for ...
      »Wayne 37: Foul tip in softball...…….pfft.
      »chico senior: What it the heck does that mean?
      »ju25: How does a major player have 2 foul tips in 1 at bat in softball. ...
      »Wayne 37: ju25, Because they are in actuality treated in the same manner as ...
      »L: Why not make it easy for the umpire and the players any foul ball ...
      »Wayne 37: I hear ya L. Total discrimination against those that are vertically ...
10 Sept. 28, 2019 747

Photo ID

» nate00: I lost my Senior photo ID card, can I use my DL in place of it?
      »DaveDowell: YES - So long as your registration is "current", you'll be able to ...
1 Sept. 22, 2019 107

Using a "no walks, strikes only" approach to shorten game time in a public league.

» Turbobob: My league is a local, non-tournament 65 plus senior softball league, ...
      »ffdonnie: Wow, with all those rules you mentioned, I definitely would not be ...
      »chico senior: Let me make sure I understand. You play a 9 inning game in 2-2.5 ...
      »Nancy Allen: Turbobob, honestly the only leagues that I have ever seen no walks in ...
      »DieselDan: Sorry TB, no suggestions, just surprised that your final two innings ...
      »ju25: Our 65+ league plays 9 and uses a 3-2 count with 3 runs per inning ...
      »mck71: TB - Personally I don't think "no walks" approach will shorten the ...
      »Turbobob: Responses to: chico senior, the focus of the question was to find ...
      »stick8: In USSSA we use what is referred to as the “hurry up” rule. After the ...
      »chico senior: Your comment to Nancy are interesting. You state you don’t want to ...
      »Nancy Allen: chico senior, I agree. Turbobob, if they want to stay with the ...
10 Sept. 16, 2019 704

Batting out of order

» AK4: When the defense appeals batting out of order after the incorrect ...
      »B.J.: AK4.. 1) R1 is still out.. B3 is called out and B4 bats again 2) ...
      »AK4: B.J...If R1 is on first and B4 bats in B3s spot and hits into a ...
      »B.J.: AK4.. No.. because B3 is charged with the 3rd out.. read C & D ...
      »B.J.: AK4.. 1 other thing I should have explained about your 2nd scenario ...
      »Wayne 37: Let me simplify this somewhat. The easiest way to understand a BOO ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. In layman's terms.. in all my years of umpiring I have never ...
      »Wayne 37: Like I stated, you don't move up the order. You ONLY move down!!!!
      »B.J.: lol... yes wayne you were correct on that part
      »Wayne 37: Here is what you fail to understand. Since B5 and B6 failed to ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. wow you just keep digging this whole deeper.. are you sure ...
      »Wayne 37: In your defense, I read this rule a while back and SUSSA leaves ...
11 Sept. 14, 2019 645

what's the call

» youngen: What's the call runner on first base and second base with no outs. ...
      »DaveDowell: youngen ... We answered this for you previously but, unfortunately, ...
      »Wayne 37: I and many other colleagues of mine use the term 'last time' by ...
      »stick8: Youngen, Dave is correct in his explanation. You said runner on ...
3 Sept. 3, 2019 613

Question

» bruiser: Need an answer to this one. Bases loaded, no one out. Pop-up behind ...
      »stick8: Based on your description the run scores.
      »Wayne 37: The infield fly is to protect the runners and keep the defense from ...
      »lb16: bruiser - kinda confused by your description of play. you said bases ...
3 Sept. 3, 2019 646

Where do you draw the line?

» Wayne 37: Tired to have a discussion about this one time, but it was ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. welcome back even though most of the above posts you answered ...
      »Wayne 37: Wasn't aware there was an expiration date on posting. Thanks for the ...
      »B.J.: wayne... you profess to being an umpire have you ever read the rule ...
      »Bob21: How about you two go get a room?
      »DaveDowell: The title says it all ... Now is as good a place as any to "..draw ...
5 Sept. 2, 2019 767

Correct call

» idahoreb: Runner heading to third gets hit on the shoulder with the ball. Ball ...
      »B.J.: there is no penalty to the base runner.. play on.. unless he did some ...
      »grayhitter59: once it strike the on deck batter I would call dead ball.
      »B.J.: grayhitter.. I would have a live ball "IF" he is in the on deck ...
      »grayhitter59: yeah, depends on what in the vicinity really means. lol
      »idahoreb: More info. The on deck batter was the second on deck batter which we ...
      »B.J.: idahoreb.. once the ball enters the dugout it becomes a dead ball.. ...
      »Wayne 37: AFAIK, the is no rule that pertains to a runner doing crazy zig-zags ...
7 Sept. 1, 2019 631

Age Division Question

» Chief29: Aplayer who will be 64 this December, ie 65 Dec 2020, can he play 65s ...
      »DaveDowell: YES. Beginning with the Winter National's and Winter World's this ...
1 Sept. 1, 2019 195

Double Base at 1st base

» Meltrain: In SPA rules: If a throw to first base goes pass the defensive player ...
      »B.J.: meltrain... the defensive player must touch some part of the white ...
1 Aug. 27, 2019 297

player interference

» clem: I thought I read in the SSUSA rulebook where if a runner interferes ...
      »B.J.: Clem, with a call of INT is that the ball is dead the runner is ...
      »DaveDowell: clem ... I believe your recollection of seeing it in the SSUSA Rule ...
2 Aug. 24, 2019 342

Fire the umpire.

» youngen: Regular Sunday league game. Batter hits fly ball to left center. ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Youngen, you must be leaving out some details. Probably he was a ...
      »B.J.: omar... lol.. I think you nailed it
      »BOURGEOIS: I understand being frustrated when an umpire makes a wrong call, but ...
      »tall_thunder: I can relate to that incident, but our umpire was willing to change ...
      »Omar Khayyam: I appreciate both the good sportsman outfielder and the humble ...
      »stick8: An old adage about umpires: “Umpires arent always right but they’re ...
      »youngen: LOL! So we asked if it bounced why didn’t fielder put arms up? No ...
7 Aug. 20, 2019 712

rules interpretation

» tc4whlr: Runner on 2nd with 2 outs, a line drive hit up the middle, runner ...
      »B.J.: 1st scenario. Dead ball runner is out... if less than 3 outs batter ...
      »B.J.: also in 1st ...batting order would go to next batter
2 Aug. 13, 2019 340

How does it work

» deep14: A team plays in three Qualifiers, does not win anything goes home on ...
      »TimMcElroy: Have you submitted a ratings appeal form?
      »The real deal: Yo deep 14 - sounds like we're in the same boat: fodder for the big ...
      »17Black: Other Associations do this too--------not just SSUSA SSUSA did the ...
      »STL0: Home runs doesn't necessarily make a team major or not. We won 50 ...
      »ffdonnie: I can't believe how many people come on here and whine about how bad ...
      »softballer: Not true just saying
      »grayhitter59: How about this. Explain to the team that by being moved up the ...
      »The real deal: Grayhitter: Nope - not looking to "trade in" some teammates for ...
      »grayhitter59: I agree with you, so then we have to take or poison for at least 2 ...
      »DaveDowell: Or, a more balanced look at the other side of the same coin ... ...
10 Aug. 9, 2019 1302

Illegal substitute runner

» jsheeran: Need correct ruling: In Coldwater, MI a substitute runner came ...
      »DaveDowell: jsheeran ... The Columbus, IN, approach is the proper way to address ...
      »B.J.: (We will likely refine this at the National Rules Committee during ...
2 Aug. 8, 2019 465

Correct call

» RDSinNEOHIO: Rec league game last Friday night. We're down 6-5, bottom of 7th, ...
      »nails: No force play. Unless ump didn’t c the runner tag up.
      »lb16: Never a force play on a fly ball tag up. In your scenario runner ...
      »lb16: Miss worded a little out could have still been made if runner at 2nd ...
      »B.J.: lb16 is correct.. question... did the umpire agree that the ...
      »mck71: BJ, scenario as described never stated the runner from 3rd scored ...
      »RDSinNEOHIO: The umpire said the runner on 2nd did tag up, but it was still a ...
      »DaveDowell: Sure hope that umpire didn't trip and fall over his red-tipped white ...
      »mck71: TOO funny Dave! Sadly RDS, this sounds like an "I am not getting ...
      »B.J.: wow... i didn't want to say this earlier but I agree with mck71 ... ...
      »Spock: I'd be much more concerned with the fact that through 6 complete ...
      »Wayne 37: If the throw beat the runner from 2nd base to the bag, no tag is ...
      »B.J.: wayne... thank you ... you never fail to give the wrong answer on ...
      »lb16: Wayne - Slow down take a deep breath read the situation. Runner on ...
      »Wayne 37: You're going to have show me that one as I've never read, discussed ...
      »Wayne 37: I searched and cannot find a ruling in the SSUSA rules that supports ...
15 July 31, 2019 673
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