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Hitter Not Running

» shortstop33: base loaded no outs batter hits ball in to out, which is clearly a ...
      »grayhitter59: an out is recorded and the run scores, if it's the 5th run end of ...
      »B.J.: your UIC is correct.. I don't like that the rule is written this way ...
      »k man: Wow! This comes under the category of you learn something new ...
      »Duke: We have so many ridiculous rules in senior softball, and this is just ...
      »shortstop33: What is different than him hitting a sac fly. If he just stands at ...
      »shortstop33: Also once the winning run or 5/7 has scored the inning or game is over
      »Duke: If a sac fly situation occurs, then the batter-runner does not have ...
      »Wayne 37: Well, ain't another one for the ages. This situation is called ...
      »B.J.: the way the scenario is worded is that the out at 1st base came AFTER ...
      »B.J.: k man as far as ASA I believe they consider this an appeal play (time ...
      »grayhitter59: Stupid, stupid rule, needs to change, what if the guy was slow ...
      »Wayne 37: This is not an appeal play. It is a timing play. OUTS ARE CALLED IN ...
      »stick8: Seems weird to me. Iíd like to know what the intent of this rule is. ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, this is just a guess on my part because all associations used ...
      »B.J.: wayne lmao... again read your "SSUSA RULE BOOK" I posted the rule ...
      »stick8: Nancy8, the only scenario where I can see a batter doing this is if ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, as I recall it used to be in both ASA and NSA, I but checked ...
      »Wayne 37: I've been waiting for your thinly vailed pot shot Nancy because you ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, in the scenario I gave, it was an NSA game. We had talked ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. again you are wrong and reading the rule the way you want ...
      »Wayne 37: From what I've been recently led to believe, a base on balls is a ...
      »Garocket: Wayne sounds like you might know Baseball but not so much about ...
      »Wayne 37: Garocket, I'll put it like this, baseball and their rules were ...
      »B.J.: wayne, you are correct.. but even though the rules needed some ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, there have been a lot of rules over the years that were written ...
      »Wayne 37: Sigh........I brought up the instance of a "dropped third strike" to ...
      »Wayne 37: Sorry for all the typos. Trying to post from my phone. This place ...
      »B.J.: I think it's obvious why SSUSA has explained the foul tip rule.. ...
      »Wayne 37: Nope, just not necessary if you're going to kill the play anyway and ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, excellent point. You made me realize that I forgot that there ...
      »Wayne 37: Nancy Allen writes: SSUSA has one of the better written rulebooks ...
      »B.J.: well the good thing is that you have finally decided to read the ...
      »Nancy Allen: Looks like someone needs to learn how to use a Venn Diagram. Not all ...
      »Wayne 37: Would it be to much to ask for you make a Venn Diagram power point ...
34 Aug. 20, 2018 973

what is the ruling?

» gonz: watched a game this weekend. In our league you are allowed one HR per ...
      »coop3636: It is an out because they were out of homeruns. (and it should have ...
      »DaveDowell: coop3636 is correct ... It's an excess HR, making it an out under ...
2 Aug. 20, 2018 116

Umpire Etiquette

» Wayne 37: I would like to start off by saying I will always enforce a rule that ...
      »Garocket: WOW
1 Aug. 18, 2018 250

commitment line stepover standoff

» jfsully: The discussion about running to the commitment line, stopping and ...
      »B.J.: 1).. if the runner stops at the C/L the pitcher should cross over to ...
      »DaveDowell: IF I'm the Tournament/Field Director and IF the umpire were to call ...
      »k man: I would think that the impetus to force the situation would be on the ...
      »Joe H: Sorry for being a late responder. On May 12, the message board had ...
      »JohnBob: If the 3 baseman is next to runner standing at the commitment line he ...
      »Nancy Allen: Joe H, this is my opinion only. In 21 years of officiating senior ...
      »the car: Nancy on this the runner is stand at the line and is read to touch ...
      »MurrayW: I'm with JohnBob. Seems like a very easy play for a 3rd baseman who ...
      »Nancy Allen: the car, thanks I get that, but I think that even I could tag him ...
      »BruceAZ: My team has done this scenario twice in the last 2 years, a team mate ...
      »Nancy Allen: BruceAZ, it's probably not a good idea if you get ejected for the ...
      »MurrayW: Again, I don't see you this is a hard play for a 3rd baseman to make ...
      »MurrayW: how instead of you in the first sentence above.
      »JohnBob: Right on Murray if nothing else flake like you are going to tag him ...
      »Joe H: Forgive me all, but I guess I didn't get my point across. I've seen ...
      »The Screamer5: Joe H, I could be wrong but my interpretation of the commitment line ...
      »B.J.: Joe, I understand what you are trying to say but I think you are ...
      »stick8: JoeH in your example itís not so much the base runner must continue ...
18 Aug. 15, 2018 1019

Ball carried out of play

» OZ40: Less than 2 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, outfielder catches foul ...
      »Dbax: One base.
      »stick8: Oz, batter is out, dead ball and runner(s) on base move up one base.
      »Wayne 37: A ball touched over foul territory is a dead ball, unless it is what ...
      »Nancy Allen: It's readily available under Rules.
      »B.J.: wayne37.. you have most of it correct.. but there is no difference ...
      »Wayne 37: B.J., I'm not incorrect on that. Any ball touched over foul ...
      »Nancy Allen: Wayne37, my statement referred to the rulebook for senior softball ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. this is not baseball.. Nancy is correct MLB rules are very ...
      »Nancy Allen: Morning, sunshine. As always I appreciate your common sense ...
      »k man: Wayne37, you use your example as to why runners have to retag after a ...
      »stick8: Wayne37 I believe your incorrect on this. Baseball may be different ...
      »Wayne 37: Nope. I'm not wrong......and why are rules under TOURNAMENTS? I did ...
      »Nancy Allen: Clueless, Joe Jackson. Remind me to bring protest money if I ever ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. I have no idea why you would attempt to answer Senior ...
      »Wayne 37: There are certain tournament directors that don't know the rules, so ...
      »Nancy Allen: Rulebook is worded correctly. You just have to have the capacity to ...
      »k man: I think we are all in agreement that it's the location of the ball ...
      »Wayne 37: Nancy, umpires like you are a dime a dozen. You think you're just a ...
      »Nancy Allen: After you insulting a director and North Koreans, I consider that a ...
      »stick8: Wayne37, you are correct. A ball touched in foul territory is a foul ...
      »B.J.: wayne, I do have 20 yrs experience.. I have umpired, directed and ...
      »Wayne 37: I will explain one more time why the rule as written is flawed. ...
22 Aug. 12, 2018 722

Calling High Pitches

» VegasBob: In an effort to help coach one of my batters, I'll tell them "high" ...
      »Nancy Allen: VegasBob, I would be glad to have a nice discussion with you offline ...
      »VegasBob: So this appears a tricky line to cross. A 1st or 3rd base coach can ...
      »Nancy Allen: Yes, it is. I don't think that safe is cool either. I call your ...
      »VegasBob: Thank you, Nancy Allen. Your comments are appreciated.
      »B.J.: VegasBob, I've never had a problem with an offensive player or ...
      »Nancy Allen: VegasBob, thank you. It is not good to be known as "that ...
      »marcster13: Calling out "illegal" should not be done. In SSUSA the ump must call ...
      »Nancy Allen: Margaret13, it is always called at its highest point in the air. So ...
      »Nancy Allen: Marcster13, sorry, my autocorrect had fun with your handle. No ...
      »lb16: VegasBob - just curious what do you say to your batters when you yell ...
      »Nancy Allen: lb16, you made my concern much more to the point on the batters, but ...
      »marcster13: Nancy- I've been call much worse things. HaHa My point was if only ...
      »Nancy Allen: marcster13, well, that is good. I have this one tablet that I really ...
      »Reggie4's: As an umpire and a player, who got rung up this past weekend on a ...
      »Bob S.: I don't think it helps a batter to have anyone other than the umpire ...
      »Nancy Allen: Reggie4's, I hope that you mean twelve and not ten for senior ...
      »k man: While we're on the topic of people calling out who shouldn't, are ...
      »Nancy Allen: k man, in theory the answer is yes. I personally have never had a ...
      »Reggie4's: Nopw!!! what I wrote is what I meant
      »Nancy Allen: Reggie4's, interesting, I get it. I have been wondering as many ...
      »VegasBob: I believe 10 ft. max would add more offense to the game, but do we ...
      »Mr. Nick: Since I'm a pitcher, I'm very critical when umpires call illegal ...
      »AJC: Last thing i would want is anyone from my team to call illegal or ...
      »Nancy Allen: Mr. Nick, I agree. Umpires are always reminded, but after pondering ...
      »JDub: As a Pitcher, I Totally Agree with Mr. Nick! As an Umpire, I ...
      »Reggie4's: JDub sounds like you agree with most of my officiating philosophy, ...
      »B94: I think if they went to a 10' ceiling you see more 12' pitches being ...
      »Nancy Allen: Reggie4's, now they might be able to guess who that older player was ...
      »Nancy Allen: B94, I have found this so fascinating with so many players advocating ...
      »Duke: Mr. Nick, No umpire can call the height limit correctly, ...
      »Nancy Allen: Duke, you might not want to ask them, but I would be curious to know ...
      »RALEIGH: Please let's not entertain lowering the pitch height to 10'. I have ...
      »Duke: RALEIGH, I concur with you. SSUSA has an allowable pitching arc of ...
      »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, the players asking to lower the ceiling to 10' was a ...
      »RALEIGH: Another problem with SSUSA going to a 10' has already been ...
      »RALEIGH: Nancy, I understand the argument. Most players have not umpired and ...
      »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, you have definitely thought about this a lot too, and I ...
      »k man: A few years ago, in our senior league, the head umpire who teaches ...
      »Nancy Allen: First, I apologize to anyone that thinks that I have talked on this ...
      »garyheifner: Just played SPA-NIT Had an ump locked in on 6-10 and didn't give a ...
      »Mr. Nick: garyheifner, I feel your pain. I just got done pitching at the ...
      »Nancy Allen: Mr. Nick, do you happen to know what association those umpires ...
      »k man: As I reading this thread, on TV Mad Dog and Bill Rifken are ...
      »lb16: Would love to have some of these umpires yall are complaining about ...
      »Nancy Allen: lb16, do you know what association they usually work when not doing ...
      »marcster13: I played this past weekend in Westerns. I personally encountered more ...
      »Duke: marcster13, I prefer the umpire make the correct call with the flight ...
      »lb16: Nancy, don't know what associations they call besides seniors these ...
      »Nancy Allen: Thank you, lb16. I have some theories on quirks of the major ...
      »DW_7: HIGH or ILLEGAL pitches is one of the hardest things for umpires to ...
      »Omar Khayyam: As a pitcher for 66 seasons, most of them in slow pitch, I have a ...
51 Aug. 7, 2018 1236

Intentional walk

» J R: Looking fort the rule governing a team declaring multiple walks to ...
      »B.J.: JR.. is this what you mean?? this is the only intentional walk rule ...
      »DaveDowell: J R ... Not sure what hypothetical fact pattern gives rise to your ...
      »J R: Thx. That is it I just overlooked it. The opposing pitcher said to ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, I have never had it happen in seniors but have had it happen to ...
      »Fred S: I've done it a few times in league play to take away the heart of the ...
      »DaveDowell: Thanks Nancy, I hadn't thought about that one ... But I'm not ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, you know that I am the sweetest umpire ever until a player ...
      »Reggie4's: The Best Umpires are those that let the PLAYERS determine (by their ...
      »RALEIGH: Nancy you seem like a very level headed and intelligent individual, ...
      »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, thank you for the kind words. I have been involved with ...
10 Aug. 4, 2018 640

Terminology

» garyheifner: This may sound silly on the surface. However, we have had 5 maybe ...
      »B.J.: gary.. I'm not disagreeing with you but I think the late illegal ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gary, since the call is made based on the height of the arch, it is ...
      »B.J.: Nancy.. i think it's even more important when starting with a 1-1 ...
      »stick8: Garyheifner I believe itís an excellent topic. Quite a few years ago ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I always call illegal loud enough for the batter and the ...
      »garyheifner: Nancy U brought up a whole different subject that should be ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, you definitely have my respect. I will enforce whatever rules ...
      »lb16: In my opinion pitch height should be moved to 10' right now with most ...
      »Nancy Allen: Lb16, well, you represent where I thought this might be a popular ...
      »HJ: I have been told that if an illegal pitch is thrown (too high or too ...
      »Nancy Allen: HJ, to me it is a correctable error. I am not sure that the ...
      »stick8: Unfortunately this has happened to me on occasion and what I do is ...
      »rtaven: Only the top 10% of umpires understand what 6' is. I personally can ...
      »DieselDan: I wonder how many umpires, who know how tall they are, take the time ...
      »Nancy Allen: Rtaven, by your definition I guess that I am in the bottom 90 ...
      »DaveDowell: Nancy ... I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to fathom why the height of ANY ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, oddly enough that is sort of my point. 6' is always 6'. I ...
      »DaveDowell: Nancy ... That presentation is an "element of style" in writing ... ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, thank you for the lesson. The editors are all in your court; ...
      »B.J.: wow...lol... integers, hyphenated... and here I am just a poor ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, thank you for the smile. Maybe I need to retire too. Maybe ...
      »k man: Dave, I think height becomes a relative easy guide post for those ...
      »Tremor: 6-10 foot arc? You've got my vote! Definitely would be easier for ...
      »DaveDowell: k man ... Keep a pencil and notepad by your Lazy-Boy recliner and jot ...
      »Graphite: May I suggest the clinic trainers use a 12 ft. bream buster with a ...
      »Nancy Allen: K man, nice thinking. I don't like to tell you this, but I don't get ...
      »B.J.: I think ASA went to 10' because they mainly do young guys .. not much ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, I agree that attrition may have been the reason for ASA's change. ...
      »DW_7: I ump Major League Softball a little in SoCal where all umpires must ...
      »mck71: Great topic and discussion: I have been doing ASA slow pitch for ...
      »Nancy Allen: DW_7, I have never worked any games that had a 16' arch. I have ...
      »Nancy Allen: So I am officiating a senior game today. I had a pitcher that was ...
      »OZ40: Sometimes the problem stems from the first inning. As an umpire, in ...
      »Parman: I think going to 6-10 would solve many problems. Most everything else ...
      »Nancy Allen: OZ40, I agree with all of that. This guy was just having a fit ...
35 July 29, 2018 1673

Excessive Speed Pitch

» baseballbill: Can the Umpire call a pitch illegal for excessive speed or does he ...
      »B.J.: he should do both.. and part of the warning would be removal from the ...
      »Fred S: Like many of the pitching rules it is rarely called. In my years of ...
      »baseballbill: Guys: Thanks for you response. I agree with the illegal call but the ...
      »Turbobob: I have a difficult time trying to imagine a ball being pitched with ...
      »B.J.: baseballbill... there can be more than a warning.. here is the ...
      »B.J.: Turbo.. you are correct they are flat pitches and the excessive speed ...
6 July 29, 2018 396

Age

» nails: What month determines softball age. I always thought NOV 1.?
      »cyborg45: The year that you turn a certain age determines your age group,no ...
      »Nancy Allen: All of our birthdays are on January 1 every year for our senior ...
      »nails: thanks i knew something had to do with november
      »Wayne 37: I will turn 64 on November 1st. Can I move up to 65 next year (2019)?
      »DaveDowell: YES
      »doker: hey guys just a thought here!! one of our competitors.....SPA ...
      »DaveDowell: doker ... Let me give you a bit of perspective from the "other side ...
      »doker: ACTUALLY DAVE I'VE GONE WITH OTHER TEAMS TO SOME OF THE SPA ...
      »TimMcElroy: doker- SSUSA doesn't consider rule changes based on message board ...
      »OZ40: 69 year old's can play now as long as they turn 70 within that year.
      »Lefty50: Curious question. Turning 50 in Nov. can I play with the 50's now?
      »DaveDowell: YES ... You have been 50+ Senior eligible since early last (2017) ...
12 July 25, 2018 554

Another what's the correct call

» OZ40: One out bases full, batter pops up in front of the plate, umpire ...
      »B.J.: oz.. if the HP umpire called IF then you are right the batter is ...
      »Wayne 37: This is a dead ball. All runners return to their last legally ...
      »B.J.: oops... wayne is right this would be a dead ball situation on the ...
      »doker: ITS OBSTRUCTION NOT INTERFERENCE BALLS INPLAY THEN WHAT BJ SAID WOULD ...
      »stick8: Doker, obstruction would be on the defense. In this case itís ...
5 July 25, 2018 591

Purpose for allowing base runners to "run thru" or "over run" bases?

» Turbobob: Our local 70 plus league, self umpiring, is thinking of allowing base ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Hello Turbobob, Yes, our league which allows players of all ages ...
      »Turbobob: Omar, specific to #1, I was thinking of physically placing a flat ...
      »Wayne 37: Some leagues draw lines at 2nd and 3rd like the one used at home. We ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, an interesting idea to use a plate. However, in practice, ...
      »k man: In our 60+ league, in order to have a runner for the batter from home ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Over the years, runners from home have started from 15 feet back, 10 ...
      »doker: OUR 65+ AND 55+ LEAGUES HERE IN Austin use the run thru rule and ...
      »doker: WE ALSO HAVE UNLIMITED RUNNERS(IF HAD NOT ALREADY RUN IN SAME INNING) ...
8 July 25, 2018 391

Was The ump

» HJ: Our first baseman is very smart and a certified ump. No outs, men on ...
      »stattad: That sounds ridiculous. I've always thought of it as a strategy move.
      »stick8: That ump had no business warning your first baseman. He was hoping to ...
      »bringiton: The ump is right i would do the same thing .that's not strategy ...
      »TommyPalmer1210: Is it anymore unsportsmanlike the hidden ball trick?
      »stick8: Bringiton, on what grounds would you consider that to be unsportsman?
      »KP&R: I have been a certified umpire for 22 years this Spring. If the ...
      »B.J.: The 1st baseman did nothing wrong.. play on
      »Benji4: As a middle infielder if you don't run out of the box with a runner ...
      »stick8: Benji4,I canít believe an umpire would say that! Was he drunk or ...
      »B.J.: lol... maybe the umpire said it because it's a rule 1.37 ē ...
      »chico senior: Looks like Benyi4 owes someone an apology! B.J. Maybe 1st baseman ...
      »k man: BJ, I'm assuming this is only an SSUSA rule, so maybe HJ's ...
      »B.J.: I know it's the same in ASA and I think ISA also..
      »B.J.: Chico..(Maybe 1st baseman did do something wrong) the difference ...
      »chico senior: B.J. - Having trouble following your post. What is OP? Also I donít ...
      »B.J.: Chico no problem.. OP is original post.. I thought in your post you ...
      »HJ: Thanks to all. Just to complicate things I checked my 2016 ASA rules. ...
      »B.J.: HJ.. I cant find in SSUSA where it states that an IF call takes ...
      »stick8: Bottom line here: if you donít hear the ump call ďinfield fly, ...
      »TimMcElroy: An intentionally dropped ball scenario would occur in any force ...
      »B.J.: Tim.. scenario.. bases loaded less than 2 outs batter hits a pop up ...
      »TimMcElroy: The batter is out on an infield fly call and on an intentional ...
      »B.J.: Tim, yes I agree it's an IF call and should stay that way.. but ...
      »TimMcElroy: Not every fly ball in the infield is an "infield fly" Situation: ...
      »B.J.: Tim.. you are 100% correct on that type of play but an umpire ...
      »TimMcElroy: See my last post. I would invoke the intentional drop rule in ...
      »B.J.: Tim, lol.. never mind.. you do not seem to want to discuss the ...
      »SS11: Tim, I would argue that when guys are on 1st and 2nd, the IDB ...
      »SS11: I was referring to a play where IF is called and the defense let's it ...
      »Wayne 37: Runner on 1st. Fielder can let the ball drop. They can not glide ...
      »Wayne 37: Tim, an infield fly can be called on a batted ball that only goes 6 ...
      »doker: especially using the bats that we do!!! a crushed line drive is not ...
32 July 25, 2018 1641

bounced pitch

» shortstop33: Can a batter hit a pitch after it hit the ground, if it goes fair is ...
      »B.J.: no.. once a pitch hits the ground or the strike mat it is a dead ball
      »DaveDowell: shortstop33 ... The short answer is NO ... Here are the applicable ...
      »softball4b: and the umpire lights up the batter like a Christmas tree for being ...
      »Nancy Allen: Nancy sir, well, you bring out the smart*** in me. So, yes, a batter ...
      »Wayne 37: Why say dead ball for? Are you going to bury it. I go with "TIME"
      »marcster13: I once had a team walk me after hitting a couple HRs. Instead of just ...
      »Nancy Allen: Wayne37, please read the rule as posted by Dave above. Dead ball is ...
7 July 23, 2018 548

Eligible players

» Spurs Fan: Can women play on more than one womens team at the same time in the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Players (male or female) may NOT be on multiple rosters in the same ...
      »Spurs Fan: What is "snowbird"?
      »DaveDowell: A "snowbird" is a player who may desire to play in two separate ...
3 July 18, 2018 455

Defense Players Only

» MarkD1944: Does everyone who plays defense have to bat or can a player just play ...
      »DaveDowell: He may not play just defense UNLESS he asserts (documented) coverage ...
1 July 13, 2018 311

Speed up game

» ctown: Just a thought on speeding up the game. How about the visiting team ...
      »Rainmans: I don't understand the obsession of the wanting to speed up the game. ...
      »DieselDan: What is this "running back and forth to the outfield" which you typed ...
      »olie04: If everyone on the defensive switch lightly jogged off the field, ...
      »Nancy Allen: crown, the seniors do that in leagues here. I personally am not a ...
      »SoCal'er: We play it in league twice a week. It's not set up to give the old ...
      »SoCal'er: Clarify 7th..if it's a tie,leave it that way.
6 July 8, 2018 612

Does base matter?

» rschil: The batter hits a ball into outfield and as he is running to first, ...
      »DaveDowell: rschil ... You're about a day late to this inquiry ... The short ...
      »rschil: Thanks. I haven't been on site for a while.
2 July 6, 2018 385

Was the ump right??

» garyheifner: Grounder to the SS. He airmails the throw over the 1st base man's ...
      »DaveDowell: garyheifner ... PROBABLY NOT ... On a "play at first", the defender ...
      »stick8: Garyheifner as you describe the situation and presuming there was the ...
      »garyheifner: Thanks
      »titanhd: I understand the rule but, as written the batter-runner is given ...
      »DaveDowell: titanhd ... Not sure I can buy into your in-equality analysis as ...
      »curty: in this scenario wouldn't the runner be out for NOT touching orange ...
      »DaveDowell: curty ... With the defender on/crossing the orange bag, the ...
      »Nancy Allen: It is interesting how a simple decision to add an orange bag for ...
      »DW_7: No. I believe the ump made a mistake. Based on your description of ...
      »Pa: question 1, may i ask is the orange bag a appeal play or does the ...
      »Pa: i lived in vegas when the orange bag came out and it was only good ...
      »DaveDowell: Pa ... It might (undoubtedly?) be very informative if you were to ...
      »Pa: Thank you Dave we had a play at first the runner hit the white bag i ...
      »DaveDowell: That's correct ... The two important things to remember are: [1] The ...
14 July 6, 2018 1006

SSUSA Roster vs ISA Roster

» Holmes26: If your on a 50's SSUSA Roster for team A can you be on a different ...
      »DaveDowell: Holmes26 ... Yes you may ... And, theoretically, you could be on a ...
1 June 29, 2018 403
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Senior Softball-USA is dedicated to informing and uniting the Senior Softball Players of America and the World. Senior Softball-USA sanctions tournaments and championships, registers players, writes the rulebook, publishes Senior Softball-USA News, hosts international softball tours and promotes Senior Softball throughout the world. More than 1.5 million men and women over 40 play Senior Softball in the United States today. »SSUSA History  »Privacy policy

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