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Umpire Got It Wrong - Loudoun VA

» Crackerjack06: Just had the pleasure of participating in this weekends games ...
      »B.J.: to be honest about this call....I have umpired for 20 years in all of ...
      »impster23: We also had an issue too with the umpire in the Championship game. ...
      »B.J.: to get a double play on any scenario like that then the umpire must ...
      »TimMcElroy: Tournament UIC / Field Director response: Crackerjack06: I will ...
      »Crackerjack06: Tim, Thank you for understanding the true intention of the "Spirit ...
      »Nancy Allen: Crackerjack06, I am sorry about how the umpires reacted. This falls ...
      »Crackerjack06: Nancy, Thank you for adding in the scenario of "squaring up" on a ...
      »put me in coach: 2008 Loudoun finals ump got it right. this situation played out in ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gentlemen, thank you for validating for me again that there is ...
      »B.J.: Nancy, for the most part I agree with what you say... but the rule ...
      »B.J.: swing and rip the ball down the line...the next at bat they take an ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., thank you. I already knew that I could not change anyone's ...
      »stick8: Umpires should never show up players. Most times player carry on ...
13 May 26, 2017 1443

Umpires- Pitching Rules

» Uncle Mike: I am starting to see more and more USSSA style pitching in SSUSA. I'm ...
      »Paco13: Actually this past weekend here at the VA Beach tourney we made few ...
      »Vance+50: I noticed that as well in Valley last weekend. Anything around 10 ...
      »mad dog: paco...the pitching box extends 10' back now from the rubber i ...
      »ETDave: Yep. 10 feet.
      »bringiton: Uncle Mike if you think that the umpires are not doing a good job ( ...
      »BruceinGa: The umpires we had at Valley were good and very consistent. I think ...
      »Uncle Mike: I umpired for 25 years in So California SCMAF association, and 2 ...
      »crusher: Please give me a flat pitch >............
      »k man: In our local league, the head umpire for the league brought to the ...
      »OIdCorps: Paco- Since you're not much taller than 5 foot that 5 foot pitch was ...
      »stick8: Can't say what it's like in Southern California but here in Michigan ...
      »Paco13: OldCorps...Chest high and inside and you know the rest...BOOM. How ...
      »Rich33: I UMPire and Play. Just a thought... You have a $300 bat and a $25 ...
      »marcster13: ^^^ what he said ^^^
14 May 5, 2017 1145

Roaster

» grayhitter59: This question is for all managers and SSUSA staff. As a former ...
      »curveball: Assume you mean "roster." If a team forfeits a 1st game due to ...
      »DaveDowell: grayhitter59 ... I presume you are still abusing the equine corpse ...
      »grayhitter59: No, Dave. sorry you are incorrect. I just wanted clarification on the ...
      »MP all day: To help answer your question greyhitter...I'll use me as an ...
      »grayhitter59: My question where answered by staff, that's all I needed. This was ...
      »MP all day: Fantastic...we all need to abide by the rules...All of us....
      »grayhitter59: Staff, one question if a forfeit is not a game played then why does ...
      »DaveDowell: A forfeit game is a designated loss for purposes of the tournament ...
      »taits: I would think that a manager attending his first tournament would ...
9 May 3, 2017 812

Playing in different Divisions...

» joeysoftball13: Can someone please clarify for me; if you play for say a 55 Major ...
      »SSUSA Staff: jeysoftball13 We answered a question VERY similar to this on ...
      »joeysoftball13: Thank you!
2 May 2, 2017 399

Out of the Batters Box.

» Gonedeep43: This rule needs to be reviewed. Saturday night at BLD Las Vegas, ...
      »DaveDowell: All that needs to be done is more strict enforcement of SSUSA ...
      »Spock: This is the Senior softabll rulebook copied and pasted. PLAYING ...
      »Spock: Now does stepping out mean, during the act of swinging, or before ...
      »B.J.: spock... the rule explains it all A. The batter must have at least ...
      »B94: If you're going to enforce this rule to the letter then you need to ...
      »Gonedeep43: Exactly, no way can you avoid stepping out of the box if you decide ...
      »Omar Khayyam: I have seen it enforced at Golden Eagle in Reno. I agree it is a bit ...
      »DaveDowell: Omar ... That's the "flip side of the same coin" argument in favor of ...
      »Boom Boom 1: In the good old days, before the matt, the plate was considered a ...
      »DCPete: True that plus you're still depending on the Ground Crew to put the ...
      »HAT MAN: the way i see it is you learn to adjust. I'm 6'4" 280 and knew from ...
      »Jon44: I have had this same issue at BLD. I am 6'6" and the short pitch is a ...
      »k man: Jon, ssusa Rule 7.3(1) batter deliberately erasing any portion of ...
      »neck10: gonedeep you must have had the same ump we had a couple years ago in ...
      »neck10: also we as manager's can ask the ump anything we wont before game I ...
      »the car: we were called out and we had a picture of the at bat showing he was ...
      »Boom Boom 1: Once again, you are missing the point, the front of the batter's box ...
      »B94: Boom Boom is bang on!
      »the car: i stepped out before the mat but i understand you
      »grayhitter59: The permanent batters box is set using reqular softball rules, where ...
      »B94: This is such a simple fix too. Adjust the batters box forward the ...
      »TimMcElroy: Rather than "fix" the rule, maybe players could adjust to the ones ...
      »bbullet: Some great points being made - especially if you take the time to ...
      »southerinman: As many do I walk the box to try to get a pitch "in my zone" so to ...
      »k man: southerinman- page 34-35 SSUSA rule book -present and constant, no ...
25 April 29, 2017 1552

Pitching rule

» Tommy00: Is it still required for the pitcher to show the ball before starting ...
      »B.J.: here is the rule 6.4 BEFORE STARTING THE PITCH A. The pitcher ...
      »B.J.: forgot to add this is the SSUSA rule USA/ASA may be different
      »Tommy00: That's exactly what USA/ASA says right now.
3 April 20, 2017 335

You make the call.

» stick8: No one on, no one out. Batter gets a hit. As he rounds first he ...
      »k man: As long as the runner makes no attempt to continue to 2nd after the ...
      »The Screamer5: I believe that would be ruled a delayed obstruction where the umpire ...
      »lb16: If player makes an attempt or not doesn't matter. If the umpire felt ...
      »stick8: The Screamer5 and lb16 are correct!! Let's take this further. If the ...
      »lb16: Base runner should only be awarded base he would have gotten without ...
      »stick8: This is a judgement call. If the ump feels the batter runner would ...
      »coop3636: LB16 It does matter if you make an attempt or not. If you go back to ...
      »B.J.: coop... a obstructed runner does not have to make an attempt to go to ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... You and coop3636 are both correct in my experience ... You ...
      »stick8: Coop3636 I believe what you elluded to applies in baseball, at least ...
      »lb16: coop3636 it is called that way incorrectly most of the time. It is a ...
      »HAT MAN: Try this on for size 1 out man on first, routine grounder to SS ...
12 April 17, 2017 555

What is the call? Fair or Foul

» gonz: what happens if a batter hits a ball that is going to be a foul ball ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The "fair or foul ball" determination is made solely by reference to ...
      »stick8: Based in your description it is a foul ball. The call is based on ...
      »gonz: ok, so what happen is the defender is straddling the line. One leg in ...
      »DaveDowell: gonz ... Changing the facts from saying initially it would fall foul, ...
      »k man: Umpire judgment call, 1 team will be happy with the call, the other ...
      »DaveDowell: Absolutely true K man ... This call is guaranteed to have EXACTLY a ...
      »gonz: sorry guys, I didn't mean to change the facts. I was changing the ...
      »DaveDowell: gonz ... It's a judgment call by definition ... The umpire's judgment ...
      »titanhd: Simpy put. "the ball plays itself"
      »lb16: It is really very simple it is always were the ball is in relation to ...
      »stick8: Let's change this a bit. Fly ball is hit deep down the left field ...
      »Clean Up: "the ball hits his glove in fair territory" I believe you answe ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... In baseball, and maybe softball, too, I've got a dead ball ...
      »B.J.: Dave I see the rule you posted.... I guess deflecting off the glove ...
      »B.J.: forgot to add....in softball it is considered a 4 base award
      »B.J.: SORRY....didn't pick up on the part of ball going into foul ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I still think it's a two-base award/ground rule double, ...
      »B.J.: Dave, which bizarre flight plan that I made up...lol... I agreed ...
      »DaveDowell: If the ball leaves the field of play in fair territory, like from a ...
      »stick8: Dave is correct, it is a two base award. It's akin to a ball going ...
20 April 16, 2017 847

Adding New Players

» OldGymRat: Want to go to Loudoun tourney in May. Carolina Blue Sky 75's has ...
      »TimMcElroy: OldGymRat, I detect some confusion here. Is it possible that you ...
1 April 16, 2017 307

Ratings

» balllover: Can a player, who is rated Major+, play on a 55 Major+ team as well ...
      »DaveDowell: NO ... A player may not be on two rosters in the same age group ...
1 April 14, 2017 273

Hot box

» RRG: I cannot find the rule covering this play. Runner on 1st, no outs. ...
      »Garocket: I have been to many umpire schools and was always told that Home is ...
      »SSUSA Staff: RRG ... The SSUSA Rulebook does not specifically address turning back ...
2 April 10, 2017 437

First Base glove

» gonz: Hi all, I was watching a game and noticed that the pitcher was ...
      »Jon44: My understanding is that you can't do that. I pitch (occasionally) ...
      »B.J.: not in SSUSA...only 1st baseman and catchers...I know in ASA they ...
      »gonz: so only in ASA. when did they change the rule. Mahalo Sherwin ...
      »B.J.: im not sure...a few years ago
      »Uncle Mike: The umpires allowed it at the Worlds last year in Las Vegas. In our ...
      »DaveDowell: Uncle Mike ... The only explanation for the situation you cite from ...
      »Uncle Mike: We didn't make a big stink about for a couple of reasons. It was a ...
      »k man: Other than being told you can't wear a mitt other than 1st base or ...
      »B.J.: I've never seen a SSUSA rule on this but the ASA rule is that the ...
      »B.J.: also this play was just discussed a few posts ago "the do over" and ...
      »B.J.: Dave, since SSUSA does not allow mitts except for 1st base and ...
      »DaveDowell: The penalty is not addressed in the SSUSA Rulebook (and should be) ...
      »B94: Rather than updating the rule book for with a penalty if the pitcher ...
      »gonz: thanks for clearing that up. So I guess it is fine for ASA but not ...
14 April 10, 2017 991

Player ratings

» Olden Slow: Big question, I am currently on a 60AAA roster and play in a utility ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Olden Slow ... Please call the SSUSA office at (916) 326.5303 on ...
1 April 7, 2017 499

Ejection

» Randall: If a team starts with ten players and then an ejection occurs with no ...
      »B.J.: It depends on the age bracket...if it is 70s or older yes ..if it is ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. is correct ... If the team playing "short-handed" loses another ...
      »baseballbill: Randall: Did not see you after the game ?????
3 April 5, 2017 472

Pitch that hits the ground before home plate

» Randall: If a batter swings at this pitch after the ball hits the ground, is ...
      »B.J.: ques. 1)yes and yes 2) yes
1 April 5, 2017 443

You make the call

» stick8: Runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs. Batter singles to left field. ...
      »lb16: I call dead ball and put runners where I think they would have been ...
      »Sisavic: New "You make the call" Championship Game: Runners on 1st and 2nd, ...
      »BruceinGa: In my opinion I would call out, inning over.
      »B.J.: Stick 8's scenario could be handled a few ways....the way Stick ...
      »bond_171513: I'm pretty sure the rule in U-Trip/GSL for hitting the bats - or ...
      »stick8: bond_171513 is correct. Dead ball, lead runner is out. It is an SSUSA ...
      »B.J.: stick...that is not at SSUSA RULE..nor is it an automatic out call on ...
      »stick8: BJ, a permanently installed bat rack might be one thing(I'd have to ...
      »BruceinGa: What, I get no props for having the first correct answer???
      »B.J.: Stick, I thought the way you worded your original scenario that it ...
      »stick8: BJ it doesn't matter if it hit a player or a bat that are in the ...
      »B.J.: Stick, you keep citing UTRIP rules and in many cases their rules are ...
12 April 2, 2017 671

strike mat

» maskedman: this will be my first year. i pitch. how far beyond the plate does ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The strike mat is 19" wide by 34" deep and overlays the home plate ...
      »k man: Another visual you can get masked man is basically another home plate ...
2 April 1, 2017 337

What is the only situation where, after the play is over that a "do over" or ...

» stick8: Any guesses? ( I admit up front I didn't know when I was asked and ...
      »DaveDowell: Certainly not discussed in the SSUSA Rulebook, but here's a wild ...
      »jackbrun: Another would be a defensive player records an out while using an ...
      »Garocket: Not sure about seniors but in ASA and ISA and fielder can use a glove ...
      »B.J.: i think Dave has it....but on the outfielder in SSUSA with a 1st ...
      »Garocket: You are correct BJ in Senior Softball I looked it up and it says only ...
      »curty: actually happened @ World tourney: bases loaded, no outs, bottom of ...
      »stick8: All interesting scenarios!! The one I was told was for coed. If a ...
      »coop3636: This ISN'T in any rulebook, but it happened.. There was an illegal ...
      »BruceinGa: We had a "Do Over" Sunday. The pitch hits square in the middle of ...
      »marcster13: There was a game do over this past weekend in Palm Springs 40's. ...
      »stick8: Marcster13 was this a SSUSA sanctioned event? I'd be curious to know ...
      »marcster13: Stick8- Yes it was a sanctioned SSUSA event.
      »stick8: Wow. That is unreal
      »SSUSA Staff: There is an initial investigation/inquiry in progress ...
      »Panther: If it is true that the umpire was physically abused, this is totally ...
15 March 22, 2017 934

Bodering state rules

» L.Martin: We are a major team based out of Texas, how many out of state players ...
      »L.Martin: sorry bordering states
      »SSUSA Staff: You may have as many bordering states players as you wish (both 40's ...
      »L.Martin: Thank you very much.
3 March 20, 2017 406

Two bases from release of throw or one base from the base last touched

» Randall: Situation. Runner on first base. Batter hits ball up the middle. It ...
      »B.J.: here is the rule 8.4(10) WHEN RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ...
      »B.J.: Randall...sorry I pasted more of the rule but it didn't take.. also ...
      »stick8: In USSSA any throw from the infield that goes into dead ball ...
      »Randall: To BJ March 17 , the BR had not reached first at time of throw, ...
      »B.J.: Randall...3rd base... since the batter/runner had not yet reached 1st ...
      »Randall: Sorry, but I'm still confused. The runner that started at 1B had ...
      »B.J.: when you award bases all runners get the same award...since BOTH ...
      »stick8: Randall, was that Usian Bolt running!!😀 Seriously, in your ...
      »B.J.: Stick... yes SSUSA rules...sorry but the runner from 1st would not ...
      »Garocket: The ASA and ISA and NSA rule is the easiest to follow any throw that ...
      »Randall: Thank you to BJ and to all the other discussion Participants. I ...
11 March 19, 2017 604
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