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flip flop and one up in league play

» BruceinGa: We potentially had a situation last night in our league game. We are ...
      »B.J.: Bruce... I don't see flip flop being an issue it's the same rule...if ...
      »Jawood: A 1 and 1 count will speed up your league play without having to ...
      »BruceinGa: We already have the 1-1 count. I have proposed we do away with 4 hrs ...
      »stick8: I'm not certain playing 3-2 speeds the game up because IMO most ...
      »BruceinGa: I seem to remember a few years ago someone clocked several games, 1-1 ...
      »DoubleL10: Bruce, Seriously...in slow pitch guys step out and adjust their ...
      »BruceinGa: You got it LL! To make things worse, he is a teammate on our 50 ...
      »BruceAZ: Bruce, in our league play we play 2 innings in the field at a time ...
      »BruceinGa: That might be an option. I'll mention it to our board.
      »DCPete: Be careful what you wish for; if you flip-flop in the 7th then start ...
      »Omar Khayyam: We also play double innings in the field and it is neither tiring nor ...
11 May 28, 2016 484

Player touches batting mat after home run

» TrooperJim: In a game last week, the bases were loaded, two outs and the batter ...
      »BruceinGa: This has been discussed here in the past. If it was hit and sit that ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We concur with BruceinGa ... Since "hit and sit" was instituted a ...
      »Paco13: This is another one of those of stupid is what stupid does. Another ...
3 May 25, 2016 611

Foul Tip

» softball4b: Count no balls no strikes. Ball is tipped directly back and the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: SSUSA sanctioned event ruling: Foul tip, count is no balls, one ...
      »Turbobob: In our 60 plus senior league, we just modified the SSUSA rule so that ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, good idea! In our league, when we have too many teams ...
      »mad dog: most of the assoc's now have it as an out if the ball does anything ...
      »taits: I concur with the out no matter the height but a caught ball. ...
5 May 19, 2016 592

Confusion on coach's interference.

» Dodger Don: In a game at the Southwest Championships in Las Vegas the following ...
      »B.J.: the play as you describe it....and if the fielder made an attempt to ...
      »k man: Agree with BJ . Only possibility is that it could be a judgment call ...
      »OZ40: Runner may not advance on a third strike foul period. Even if the ...
      »k man: OZ40 - SSUSA rule 9.4 ball 3rd strike foul caught in air batter is ...
      »The Screamer5: I believe the ruling umpire made the correct call in that ...
      »mad dog: so oz40...a ball hit down the line that is caught by an outfielder in ...
      »k man: btw, in our local weekday league, foul ball on last strike is a dead ...
      »B.J.: Screamer5....yes this is a dead ball situation but the umpire does ...
      »OZ40: I read the rule and I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. ...
      »B.J.: OZ40....better yet educate your fielders not to catch a foul ball 3rd ...
      »mad dog: B.J. yep....now i do know one assoc that does it this way...and its ...
      »OZ40: It's easy not to catch a foul third strike IF it's clearly foul, what ...
      »mitch1414: This is a standard baseball/softball rule with one addition. We hav ...
      »OZ40: I guess I sort of hi-jacked this thread. When a batter comes to the ...
      »Dodger Don: Apparently I didn't make this clear. It's not what anybody thinks the ...
      »OZ40: Dodger, again I apologize if I hi-jacked the thread here. I agree ...
      »Dodger Don: I think by allowing a third strike foul to be caught keeps the game ...
      »OZ40: On a close fly near a foul line as it stands now the umpire still ...
      »B.J.: OZ... you keep calling a caught foul ball with 2 strikes on the ...
      »mitch1414: Oz it is a standard rule that has been changed by several different ...
      »OZ40: Mitch, I respectfully disagree. If a third strike foul is in the ...
      »16wood: It can't be a '3rd strike foul out' until it hits the ground past the ...
22 May 18, 2016 840

Is it a strike if ball hits front edge of strike mat and also kicks up some dirt?

» Turbobob: Our senior league uses the official strike mat as stated in the ...
      »k man: Turbo, you yourself said: ball hits the front edge of the mat. ...
      »Turbobob: k man, so you are saying that even if the ball hits the front of the ...
      »k man: just my opinion based on how I've seen things called over the years. ...
      »OZ40: As long as the arc requirement is met it seems that the upper edge of ...
      »The Screamer5: As an umpire, I get hear this ALL the time. Batters complain that ...
      »k man: btw, shouldn't be any different than if it hits the side edge or the ...
      »neck10: but just think if the ball bounds upward and back toward pitcher then ...
      »Dancer: We call it a cheap strike, but still a strike. and most likely the ...
      »Don5: In 2017 they will be using square spongy balls, much like the stote ...
      »Don5: Yes I used the word "muck" that wasn't a typo, most of you will ...
      »garyheifner: Have had the post happen many times. Quite often, the ump has ruled ...
      »patrick jt: did someone strike out
      »Turbobob: Thanks for all of your input, which is what I asked for. I believe ...
13 May 18, 2016 656

Chopped Ball

» Steve in Tucson: If a batter make an attempt to chop the ball but hits a "normal" ...
      »Fred S: Agree but try and get an ump to call it.
      »VOODOOSPORTS: the batter is not out unless the attempt and result visually match. ...
      »mad dog: so voodoo.why would you do so....the guy hit the ball into the ...
      »k man: mad dog, completely agree with you. I can remember a time I had 2 ...
      »VOODOOSPORTS: I guess I should clarify. This is how it is in USSSSA. As also seen ...
      »VOODOOSPORTS: it should say i have seen.....in my original post
6 April 26, 2016 598

Is the runner out at first?

» Steve in Tucson: On a play at first base, the first baseman fielded a ball with his ...
      »B.J.: yes the runner is out on all of the above....the glove is considered ...
      »Steve in Tucson: Thank you.
      »titanhd: Runner is out but, not because the "glove is an extension of the ...
3 April 23, 2016 394

missing first bse

» B.J.: STAFF: I asked this question about your post on 4/10 and I guess you ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Here are a few quick examples of a valid LBA being made non-verbally ...
      »B.J.: STAFF great answers especially the 2nd one which is the only one ...
      »Webbie25: I have played first base a lot. There are times, especially when ...
3 April 22, 2016 404

missing first base

» LMR: Ball hit to infielder. Runner obviously beats throw by passing base ...
      »Webbie25: As long as the first baseman catches the ball touching first base, ...
      »B.J.: if the batter/runner beats the throw and misses the base he should be ...
      »lb16: B.J. is correct if runner beats throw to first defensive team must ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We concur with B.J. and lb16 ... A runner who, in the course of ...
      »Dbax: How is an appeal made before the runner returns to the base?
      »BruceinGa: Three or four years ago it was the same for a runner touching the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Dbax ... If the batter-runner has "passed" the base before the ball ...
      »Dbax: Staff, thank you. I was referring to the post by B. J.
      »k man: Staff, you say that the runner is initially safe as he passes 1st ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Most professional umpires are likely to rule the runner safe at first ...
      »PoollShark: I don't get it. If the runner beats the throw to first but passes ...
      »SSUSA Staff: PoolShark ... Please carefully re-read our first post in this thread ...
      »B.J.: poolshark....its the same as a runner going 1st to 3rd and missing ...
      »stick8: If I'm umpiring and the stated scenario takes place I verbally call ...
      »PoollShark: I meant to convey that I know that's how it's called and I just ...
      »SSUSA Staff: But there's just that pesky little 100+ year old rule that declares ...
      »lb16: PoollShark - I understand your concern, look at it this way runner ...
      »DCPete: Or a runner leaving a base early on a sacrifice fly . . .
      »Webbie25: So you are saying, as a runner if I miss the bag going by, but beat ...
      »B.J.: webbie...YES....there has to be a VERBAL appeal while the fielder is ...
      »BruceinGa: Having played first base most of my softball life I can say that ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. - Here's our post to you on 10/29/2013 that discusses the Live ...
      »BruceinGa: So in a LBA situation the defense must touch the runner or base where ...
      »B.J.: STAFF on my last post I said do a VERBAL appeal while being on the ...
      »The Screamer5: I don't believe it matters when or if the batter-runner has made it ...
      »B.J.: screamer5....NO...once the runner returns to the bag safely an appeal ...
      »The Screamer5: BJ...The appeal by the defense is simply asking the umpire if the ...
      »B.J.: screamer...NO...the window closes as soon as the runner returns ...
      »stick8: BJ the answer to your question would be sign language :)
29 April 12, 2016 1160

Rule question

» stattad: I looked in my rulebook and can't find anything that covers this. It ...
      »Fred S: Rule 8.1.C.The ball is dead and runners may not advance unless ...
      »cuda65: I play ASA in McAllen, Texas and they allow stealing. In the ...
      »Fred S: Right forgot that part.
      »Tommy00: But, it is not a force out. The catcher would have to tag the runner ...
      »OZ40: Tommy In all the senior ball leagues I've seen and played in, if the ...
      »Tommy00: OZ, I 100% agree with that, except for the fact that the OP said it ...
      »stattad: OZ is right. The catcher can never tag a runner at the plate.
      »stick8: Stattad, was this a senior league or regular mens league? I've never ...
8 April 12, 2016 563

Batter batting out of order

» Steve in Tucson: I'm looking for clarification of the wording in rule 7.1 - Batting ...
      »B.J.: it is worded that way because if the defense were to appeal that the ...
      »B.J.: to add to that if the wrong batter makes an out and the defense does ...
2 April 7, 2016 331

Re-classification

» CAT: Can anyone tell me how an individual can reclassify his status to a ...
      »SSUSA Staff: There is no specific form to fill out to APPLY for a modification of ...
      »CAT: Thank you for the immediate responses from the SSUSA staff. We are ...
2 April 6, 2016 598

Batter Runner reaching first base

» Steve in Tucson: Referring to Rule 8.4 (1) - Batter Runner reaching first base: The ...
      »OZ40: Key word in that sentence: "his touch of ONLY the bag in foul ...
      »k man: Another scenario, defensive player is pulled across white bag, not ...
      »OZ40: K man, in your different scenario the 1st baseman is clearly ...
      »Steve in Tucson: Thank you all for your comments. This helps so I can inform our ...
4 April 2, 2016 384

coaches touching a runner

» 1jonsey: had a runner round 3rd base and was held up by the base coach, as h ...
      »garyheifner: Very common for a 3rd base ump to high 5 a guy in his HR ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Pretty harsh (and probably incorrect) call on that one ... The intent ...
      »Joncon: """Obviously, ump used no common sense.""" Or he was unfamiliar ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gary, there is no guarantee that an umpire knows the rules, but a HR ...
      »B.J.: I agree with the point about the umpire using common sense...but that ...
5 April 2, 2016 694

Mask On Field

» HJ: Our league has been encouraging fielders to get Face Masks. A number ...
      »OZ40: I would say that the existing rules covering interference would cover ...
      »B.J.: since this is a local league I would write up a specific rule ...
      »Az Iz: Watched and played in many, many games...never seen it happen! I ...
3 March 28, 2016 513

Appeal Play?

» TexasTransplant: I posted this on the Softballfans.com umpiring forum and got two ...
      »TimMcElroy: No run scores. This is not an appeal play. Rule 8.3 C The ...
      »k man: Not just the batter, but when there is a force situation, I can't ...
      »1jonsey: Tim, I read the rule but why isn't this an appeal? I have a couple ...
      »stick8: Texas transplant that umpire was correct. If he just goes into the ...
      »1jonsey: stick so batter is only called out without an appeal if he enters ...
      »OZ40: Sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me. In "Texas Transplants" ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey, unless he is out on a force any base runner who goes into ...
      »B.J.: STAFF....In rule 8.3C it only mentions the batter-runner is out when ...
      »OZ40: A runner only has to advance if he is forced to. So I cannot see the ...
      »B.J.: oz40...yes....I didn't put in that runners were forced to advance
      »OZ40: I would think this is an appeal play. 2 years ago at the Winter ...
      »B.J.: OZ40 I agree with you I think it's an appeal play also...what I'm ...
      »k man: OZ - Page 45 of SSUSA Rules 2015-2016 there is a note after the ...
      »crusher: SSUSA and SPA are both Hit & Sit for ball over the fence. Base ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Texas Transplant ... You proposed the original hypothetical before ...
      »B.J.: Staff....thx for the detailed explanation for the above scenarios...
16 March 26, 2016 719

Which base?

» FreeAgent10: Rule about a runner going to first says he must touch the orange bag ...
      »VegasPaul: If there is no play I believe he can touch the white. Rule 8.4(1) ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We concur with VegasPaul's interpretation
      »FreeAgent10: Thanks for the info.
3 March 22, 2016 294

Open inning ruling

» AZ sfbl: Today in Phoenix we were playing in the semi finals and this ...
      »E6 in AZ: Play by play for what occurred today: As I walking to coach 1st at ...
      »SSUSA Staff: For tournaments played under SSUSA sanction and rules, the game ...
      »lb16: Pitch being thrown or not has nothing to do with it. Once the 3rd out ...
      »E6 in AZ: SSUSA Staff: Thank you for your attention on this matter, which ...
      »AZ sfbl: SSUSA staff what is going to be done to this region director that ...
      »SSUSA Staff: AZ sfbl - We responded above solely to the rules issue raised ... Any ...
      »Dbax: Congratulations to Az. Old School on a great performance. You guys ...
      »Hitemdeep: if you guys have played in Ricks tourneys before this is very common. ...
      »BruceinGa: Hitemdeep, you can vote with your wallet. Refuse to play in his ...
      »Dbax: If this is a SSUSA qualifier, does he have the authority to make up ...
      »Hitemdeep: Easier said than done Bruce. There are no other tournaments to play ...
      »Garocket: Lots of tournaments in this area are going to round robin pools with ...
      »Dbax: Rocket, that may be true, but the rules for an SSUSA qualifier as ...
      »E6 in AZ: Looking forward to your St. George tourney at the end of the month. ...
14 March 19, 2016 1274

face masks

» gangerman8: Can a pitcher still sign off on not wearing a mask?
      »SSUSA Staff: NO - Rulebook provision below: 6.17 PITCHER'S MANDATED MINIMUM ...
      »19: Can someone please tell me the real reason why this rule exists? I ...
      »SSUSA Staff: A mask for a pitcher is simply a mandated piece of protective ...
      »Rick35: gangerman8 - No...as I supported the rule of pitchers must wear the ...
      »Spock: Pitching without a facemask at the senior level would be the ...
      »gangerman8: I have been pitching for many years,the problem i have with this is ...
      »PoollShark: I was originally against this rule but after playing senior ball for ...
      »Sparky.1: Why not just cut the chase and eliminate the "Pitcher" position? ...
      »19: So the consensus appears to be that middle-age and older pitchers are ...
      »SSUSA Staff: 19 and gangerman8 ... A not-so-short short history lesson may be ...
      »Fabe: Those examples are ways that grown people still throw a tantrum when ...
      »Dancer: I am a pitcher and don't have a problem with a mask. I have been hit ...
      »magic #25: excellent answer by ssusa staff, this rule is here to stay. please ...
      »BruceinGa: I don't pitch much in tournaments but when I do I don't mind wearing ...
      »Omar Khayyam: BruceinGa, seems like it takes a secure ego to laugh off comments. ...
      »mad dog: this all well and good ssusa....but who now has to pay for this ...
      »19: Omar, Sorry, but I just don't think it is SSUSA's place to be ...
      »'Skerz: mad dog/19 - please get over yourself. SSUSA is doing what they know ...
      »PoollShark: mad dog, a mask doesn't exactly break the bank. I have 2, a $30 ...
      »19: 'Skerz, if they really want to make the game safer they would do a ...
      »'Skerz: Infielders are free to wear whatever protection they want as well. ...
      »Vance+50: I don't pitch, not brave enough to stand that close. But I have ...
      »19: 'Skerz, thanks for making my point for me. Infielders are free to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: 19 ... The extra 20' from the Pitching distance (50') from home plate ...
      »16wood: Staff: The addl 20' you mention is not the entire issue... Most ...
      »taits: IMO the rational solution would be to do a 180* and return to the ...
      »bkb555: seems a pretty simple rule...if you pitch, you wear a mask...I play ...
      »UMBACH: SCREENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      »k man: I play in a 40+ night league - pitcher face mask mandatory, no ...
      »19: Any pitcher who is not approaching being at least 60' from the batter ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Or to paraphrase, we believe: Any pitcher who is not [wearing a ...
      »19: Any anybody who is overweight or has high blood pressure or is ...
      »DaveDowell: 19 ... Only if those health conditions can be linked to increasing ...
      »19: Dave, those guys will never say that. Otherwise they would not be ...
      »19: I wonder when middle-age and older men started losing so much pride.
      »Sparky.1: When they allowed "high-tech" equipment into the sports (a.k.a. Golf, ...
      »19: Sparky, A BIG reason why aluminum, and now composite, baseball ...
      »crusher: Hi tech single wall + 47/525 ball went out of park, pitchers got ...
      »19: Where is the pride??? :( I have nothing against masks for anyone ...
      »Sparky.1: Thanks for the compliment 19. Without the "high-tech Bats" and the ...
      »19: Sparky, you are welcome. I am sure your assessment of what would ...
      »Ray Ray 34: I agree with the SS USA staff. I have been playing super major ball ...
      »Sparky.1: Ray Ray 34.............Just what the heck is "SUPER MAJOR BALL"?
      »Omar Khayyam: Sparky, Super Major Ball is when a pipsqueak like me on the other ...
      »19: Omar, you're the best!!!
      »Sparky.1: I understand SUPER MAJOR BALL now Omar! It's simply a new ...
      »BruceinGa: Thanks Ray Ray. I'll define super major ball for those of you that ...
      »Sparky.1: So what you are telling everyone is that this "unknown" Super Major ...
      »dead weight: Does college hockey players complain about wearing a cage? Does the ...
      »BruceinGa: I'm sorry sparky, I thought you knew the name of the team. Superior
      »Omar Khayyam: Sparky, you've got it! All my life I played the equivalent of AA or ...
      »Sparky.1: Bruce.......The level you are talking about is in the vast "minority" ...
      »16wood: Bruce, you can lead a horse to water... Bruce tried to explain to ...
      »BruceinGa: Very well put Bob!
      »Sparky.1: Do you have any more "Bruce" fan club members?
      »Dbax: Awesome post Bob! We all knew what he was referring too. Sparky, I ...
      »Sparky.1: Back the truck up Dbax........You mean "Sponsors" can not post? ...
      »16wood: Dave, you know the old axiom... those who do the least want to be ...
      »Dbax: Post all you want. Just realize it means nothing.
      »19: Getting awfully chippy in here. Still my only point is masks are ...
      »Sparky.1: Simply an outstanding response Dbax!
      »16wood: 'Getting awfully chippy in here'... you think this is chippy? You ...
      »19: Gee thanks, I think..... Of course it should be a choice. Well, ...
      »Ray Ray 34: Did not intend to upset some on my post above. All I was trying to ...
      »OZ40: If it's stipulated that this board is expressly for players only then ...
      »swing for the fences : Hey Omar, I know who you are and your size.. I would love to see you ...
      »Dancer: I believe a pitcher only has .43 of a second to react to a hit (that ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Hey Swing, good to hear from you again. I hope to see you again in ...
      »swing for the fences : Ha, I thought the way you were talking you could do it at will ;-) I ...
      »Mango: SSUSA says SSUSA says "A not-so-short short history lesson may be ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Swing, I can't even hit singles "at will!" Anyway, a guy my size ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Mango, good points.
      »hitman: As a pitcher I was against the mask at first and then when it was ...
      »swing for the fences : Mango,, as far as the bat and ball combo... Einstien told me they ...
      »16wood: Swing: There was an LVSSA tourney in 2007 when a couple of balls ...
      »DCPete: In 2002 we were all using the 47/525 Dudley Red Thunder & the ...
      »16wood: Pete, I certainly agree that almost everyone could hit it out with ...
      »Mango: Swing SSUSA cant regulate hot bats as cheaters will always cheat. ...
      »DCPete: BW; sadly can't even remember what Senior association(s) we were ...
      »19: Mango, your "logic" has been used before and it just a weeeee bit ...
      »DaveDowell: 19 ... The Major+ rules set very closely mirrors the HR/DBO combo ...
      »tattooball: Variables is what it all comes down to. A .47/525 has less Severity ...
      »Mango: Dave I agree with you that strategy is not absurd and is definitely ...
      »B94: Actually Mango the Border Battle has only been played in a Stadium ...
      »B94: To add to the border battle analogy and to put this back on topic you ...
      »DOERBAUM: DANG IT KEVIN !! NOW YOU DONE WENT AN GOT THAT CONFOUNDED SCIENCE ...
      »Adiktiv6: The Best pitchers are the Smart pitchers, and the Smart pitchers are ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Adiktiv6, oh how I would like to believe that I am not only getting ...
88 March 17, 2016 2658

Rule 6:16 once more

» garyheifner: I posted the following and looks like it didn't go thru. Excuse me ...
      »B.J.: Gary, here is the amended rule ... 6.16 WIND OR ...
      »garyheifner: B.J That sounds correct, thanks
      »tall_thunder: When did this amended rule take place?? Had this problem in February ...
      »B94: TOC is played under 2015 rules. The amendment to the rule is for 2106 ...
4 March 14, 2016 388
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