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You make the call - please

» DCPete: This happened in a Rec League game: Rule 7.6.E says Batter is Out if ...
      »B.J.: dcpete.. in the past this issue has come up because MANY hitters do ...
      »Turning2: DCPete - Your post stated that the batter checked his swing, which an ...
      »DaveDowell: I was going to "sit this one out", but if the facts as presented by ...
      »B.J.: T2 & DD.. DD as you know I'm a stickler for how a rule is written, I ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Language clean-up is always a desired goal ... But unless ...
      »DCPete: Kind of agree with BJ regarding fixing the exact wording of this rule ...
      »B.J.: DCPete.. "EXCELLENT POINT" ... to any reasonably intelligent person) ...
      »Turning2: So the scenario below happens often in Senior softball: Batter takes ...
      »B.J.: T2…. Using the “OP” and his judgment of the play he wrote…. A ...
      »Turning2: BJ I'm not on here to argue, but i will emphasize two sentences and ...
      »B.J.: T2.. I don't consider discussing a rule as arguing.. were good.. but ...
      »Turning2: BJ The positioning of the word deliberately in the sentence doesn't ...
      »B.J.: T2.. you just stated above that he stopped his swing .. so that takes ...
      »DCPete: Personally didn't care if the batter should be safe or out in this ...
      »Turning2: BJ & DCPete - there is an old saying, “there’s only two ways to argue ...
      »B.J.: T2... lmao... that's hilarious adding DD in with you on you both ...
      »Webbie25: Interesting discussion. I believe the batter is out and here is why. ...
      »Turning2: BJ - I didn't ask DD to agree with me. He posted above in response ...
      »DCPete: Agree in principle with Webbie & T2 that a check swing should never ...
      »jimperry19: Webbie, I have always enjoyed your posts on this board and I have ...
      »Turning2: jimperry19 - not really sure who you are or why you commented? Do ...
      »Webbie25: Well, excuse me, Mr. Jim Perry. I was commenting on the original ...
22 Oct. 20, 2021 699

Late arriving players to the game.

» Turbobob: In our non-tournament league, any player who arrives to the game ...
      »B.J.: turbobob.. 4.3 • NUMBER OF PLAYERS ON A TEAM 4.3(1) • MEN'S ...
      »Turbobob: Thanks, BJ. I did a word search for several appropriate words, but ...
2 Oct. 14, 2021 239

Home run limits

» jasher1: Does anyone know why 40s and 50s have different home run limits for ...
0 Sept. 27, 2021 164

courtesy runner

» shortstop33: runner on first and second manager asked umpire for time out to ...
      »B.J.: SS33... "IF" the mgr. specifically told the umpire that he was ...
      »Rob64: It doesn't matter what base, what Number was going in for what ...
      »Rob64: What if he went home touched the plate and announced to the home ...
      »stick8: Since the manager announced the courtesy runner was running for the ...
      »B.J.: rob64.. I agree with you that a player can announce the CR ... I used ...
5 Sept. 21, 2021 316

courtesy runner

» shortstop33: BJ know you have an answer for that courtesy runner
0 Sept. 21, 2021 105

Catch

» shortstop33: Player clearly make catch while fall to ground but when he hits ...
      »B.J.: no catch… 1.10 • CATCH A catch is a legally caught ball that ...
      »shortstop33: Thank BJ
2 Sept. 16, 2021 232

Avoiding a tag

» Sov: Runners are on 1st & 2nd, no one out. The shortstop moves up ...
      »stick8: I’d have to see this play but the way you describe it—play on. You ...
      »DirkPitt: I would agree with stick8, I would have to see the play unfold before ...
      »DirkPitt: One more point, you will see this a lot at 1B where the first baseman ...
3 Sept. 14, 2021 385

Need clarification

» Ball4: Runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Batter hits a line drive hitting ...
      »DaveDowell: Ball4 ... The batter is SAFE if he was in contact with the base at ...
1 Sept. 12, 2021 311

Rabbit Runners

» Dreichel1959: May the rabbit runner Running from home plate for the better take ...
      »SSUSA Staff: SSUSA rules DO NOT provide/allow for what you refer to as a "rabbit ...
1 Sept. 8, 2021 360

Can a player run for another one twice in one inning?

» MurrayW: Here's my hypothetical situation. Player A is not a starter in the ...
      »B.J.: Murray, hmmm good question... I know of no rule that states that ...
      »grayhitter59: if you put him in to hit for player c "yes" but he can not run ...
      »B.J.: grayhitter.. I agree with your thinking but no where in the rules ...
      »rmp0012002: I believe you can CR for different players during a game, done that, ...
      »Duke: Garyhitter59 is 100% correct! A courtesy runner may be used for a ...
      »B.J.: Duke, yes that is correct.. but he went in a a sub. not a CR ... show ...
      »Duke: BTW, I do not believe the courtesy runner can bat for player C in the ...
      »Duke: B.J. You are probably correct. I read the question incorrectly, since ...
      »DaveDowell: Interesting discussion ... The intent was very clear long ago: An ...
      »B.J.: DD.. that won't fix the problem he wasn't replacing a CR.. this was a ...
      »DaveDowell: Well, then maybe it's longer than a four word fix! ... We've got time ...
      »B.J.: how about something like this?? a substitute on the roster and ...
      »DaveDowell: I like it! ... You're hired ... You get the same pay I do for Rules ...
      »B.J.: lol... thx Dave, that's the same pay rate that The Villages has been ...
      »TimMcElroy: Hi Dave, When considering rules changes, I tend to ask myself a ...
      »B.J.: Tim, I agree with you on it not really being an issue and I can't ...
      »Enviro-Vac: DD that four word rule change you suggest makes no sense to me. If ...
      »DaveDowell: EVM - It seems to be the consensus that I never should have typed ...
      »stick8: MurrayW, as to how the rule is now, to answer the subject ...
      »MurrayW: Stick8, I think you described it exactly like I interpret the rule ...
      »stick8: MurrayW I believe your correct. In the scenario therei is nothing in ...
      »B.J.: stick.. yes BJ could be a CR in the 6th and 7th inning but once ...
      »MurrayW: Oh, and stick8, thanks for making BJ the CR/Sub runner rather than ...
      »stick8: That is correct BJ.
      »breeze53: Guys, you can run for different players as many times as you want in ...
      »B.J.: breeze.. I haven't worked a SSUSA tour. in several years but when I ...
      »TimMcElroy: No idea what you're referring to breeze53, but here is my response to ...
      »DaveDowell: Tim ... It's pretty simple ... He's saying he cheats because he ...
      »Enviro-Vac: Great post on Sept. 1 MurrayW, good sense of humor!
29 Sept. 7, 2021 1131

Umpire Question

» Dbax: Today in Chattanooga at an ISSA tournament. A ground ball is hit to ...
      »rmp0012002: Did the first baseman step across the bag? As soon as First touched ...
      »DaveDowell: ▲ AGREED ▲ ... If the defender was clearly in possession ...
      »Dbax: There was no collision. She stepped on the bag which caused her to ...
      »B.J.: I agree with above.. if the fielder had control of the ball while ...
      »rmp0012002: Just asking if the fielder put themselves in a bad position of going ...
      »Guppy7325: Having played in Dalton and seeing the mix bag of umpires with ...
      »B.J.: guppy.. I agree with the control of the ball thru the play .. BUTTT ...
7 Aug. 29, 2021 522

Assuming interference, other runner should be returned to previous base?

» jgoff5113: Scenario: Bases loaded and nobody out. Shortstop fields a grounder ...
      »B.J.: jgoff.. the rule below covers your scenario and all calls are umpire ...
      »stick8: Jgoff5113, to answer the questions in your scenario: 1) Yes, it’s a ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks B.J. and stick8!
      »B.J.: stick.. don't forget that the SS did throw to HP ... there is a ...
      »stick8: BJ, that might be true. The way I learned it was if an umpire sees ...
      »stick8: Continued— Then after the play is over then I would award bases on ...
      »B.J.: stick, yes you are correct that it's a dead ball on the INT. call .. ...
7 Aug. 20, 2021 274

Age limits

» downtowndobie: Next year in 2022 will 369 year old players be able to play 70 ball + ...
      »DaveDowell: The National Rules Committee does not meet until the SSUSA Annual ...
      »The Wizard: WOW ! 369 years old and STILL playing ball. Amazing ! (snicker, ...
      »B.J.: Lol… I’m a little disappointed in DD for letting that 1 go
      »DaveDowell: I let it slide because I was reasonably sure he meant "three (3) ...
      »downtowndobie: Yes I meant just three players that were 69 years old able to play in ...
      »Nancy Allen: Even at 369, the same answer. Welcome to nn softball. Pick ...
      »Jet: I would like to officially request SSUSA consider a player ...
      »DaveDowell: Jet ... That issue has found its way into the National Rules ...
      »Jet: I am sorry to hear this but hope it passes this year. It sounds as ...
      »DaveDowell: Jet ... I'm not advocating for OR against change, but the reasons ...
      »Nancy Allen: Jet, unless Dave is making an exception, posting on the message board ...
      »Jet: Thank you for the responses. I will submit a proposal in writing.
12 Aug. 19, 2021 774

You make the call

» stick8: Team A ties the game in the bottom of the 7th inning. After 3 outs ...
      »B.J.: stick.. if it were SSUSA rules I would also go with door #2
      »DaveDowell: ▲ ▲ Agreed - Door #2 ▲ ▲
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, thanks for the shout out. Easy in seniors, #2 as my esteemed ...
      »mad dog: big question......if you have players who have not entered the ...
      »DaveDowell: mad dog ... The instant the ½-inning at bat ends, the identity of the ...
      »titanhd: Not certain I agree with door#2. I'd be more inclined to go with ...
      »Donna McGuire: As Dave and others have said, Door #2 is correct. From the SSUSA rule ...
      »B.J.: titan... below is the effect of the ITB rule... EFFECT: If the ...
      »stick8: Nancy, it was a combination of things that led up to him going off. ...
      »titanhd: Thanks BJ.
      »Turning2: this situation has come up a couple times among the Senior ...
      »DaveDowell: Q1 • YES - Ejection is effective for the balance of that game, at a ...
      »B.J.: T2.. you certainly don't give up.. a couple months ago with a ...
      »Turning2: DD. I didn’t have 5.4(2) in front of me so I said the player or the ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... Please write it up and send it in ... You need a different ...
      »Dbax: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
16 Aug. 12, 2021 683

What's the Call?

» The Abider: OK, all you umpires out there. Runner from 3rd, past the commitment ...
      »B.J.: runner is safe as soon as the tag is made… the rule states NO TAG by ...
      »Nancy Allen: Order of precedence is always important. I just had a bad throw take ...
      »Turning2: Was there actually a legal tag made on the runner? I don’t think so, ...
      »B.J.: T2.. I already posted the rule above.. the rule states that a runner ...
      »Turning2: BJ - yes sir, I see your post and reference to the rule but again, I ...
      »DaveDowell: Gentlemen ... There was a "tag" applied and, in my view, the moment ...
      »B.J.: DD ... well I guess we can go back and forth on whether or not the ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I think we agree on this ... I don't know if the rule is "no ...
      »B.J.: DD.. I also think we agree.. and I will use a term I have read here a ...
      »DaveDowell: Let's play a little game I really don't like: Tweaking the facts a ...
      »B.J.: DD.. I have no problem with your call in the tweaking of the facts... ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... OK, here goes Tweak #2 ... Baserunner puts the brakes on 6" ...
      »B.J.: DD.. lol… well per the wording of the rule The base runner is ...
13 Aug. 9, 2021 727

Illegal base runner.....

» CAT: Here was another issue we had with the umpire in chief of SPA on a ...
      »B.J.: cat.. I don't know if SPA rules are different than SSUSA rules and ...
      »CAT: Thanks for the comments. I felt it was a "tacky" call and power move ...
      »bkb555: see my post from a few weeks ago in the syracuse tournamnent in ...
      »CAT: something that unnecessary can change the entire tempo of the game. ...
4 Aug. 8, 2021 354

player eligibility in 2 age groups.

» CAT: Since SSUSA is not too prevalent in our area, we have to revert to ...
0 Aug. 8, 2021 238

Calling Time out

» grayhitter59: Here it goes. A ball is throw to home plate, catcher miss plays ...
      »stick8: According to your scenario there was a play at third so for the ...
      »grayhitter59: Ok, granted might have been early, but she still called out ...
      »stick8: Rightly or wrongly if the ump calls time the play is dead.
      »grayhitter59: Staff is there a specific rule for this or is it umpire ...
      »B.J.: Time should never be given just because a player yells out time… .. ...
      »Nancy Allen: Wow, there is a lot wrong here. I know that there are some players ...
      »NYGNYY: I want to get this straight based upon Nancy’s example of the runner ...
      »B.J.: NYGNYY.. when you call out and request time the HP umpire should scan ...
      »Nancy Allen: NYGNYY, I agree with B.J. You might not like this answer, but it is ...
      »B.J.: Nancy, I would have done the same thing.. I NEVER wait for the ball ...
      »NYGNYY: Yes it is a judgment call. Point of me calling timeout is to stop ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., thanks for the affirmation. It was in a men's game with good ...
      »grayhitter59: Nancy and B.J. Thank You for the input.I also umpire. As you ...
      »B.J.: In the rule book …. 9.1 DEADBALL…. L
      »B.J.: There have been two times over the many years of umpiring that I have ...
      »stick8: I had a play in a conference usssa tourney about 6 years ago. ...
16 July 29, 2021 667

How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

» franjan: Runner trying to stretch a single into a double. The ball beats him ...
      »DaveDowell: I'm a firm believer in the "You can't call what you didn't see" ...
      »B.J.: franjan.. if you don't see the play you can't make an out call.. ...
      »stick8: Franjan, the situation you describe is your call and even though your ...
      »rmp0012002: I think you make the call as you feel it happened. Don’t waver from ...
      »B.J.: stick.. every umpire clinic I’ve ever been to they would always ...
      »Mikelmart: Franjan if you were a witness for the prosecution in a criminal trial ...
      »stick8: BJ, you’re correct. We say the same things in the clinics I’ve been ...
      »Nancy Allen: I agree with all of this. Stick8, you are right on about some people ...
      »stick8: Nancy you’re correct, you certainly don’t hear those ever mentioned ...
      »franjan: Looks like more that one opinion on how to handle this situation. I ...
      »DaveDowell: This just a single honest opinion (mine), but you are destined to ...
      »franjan: Dave, I don't understand the attitude. All I am saying is that if I ...
      »DaveDowell: It's not an "attitude" at all, franjan ... It's more accurately ...
      »B.J.: franjan.. my reasoning of you being out of position is from your OP ...
      »stick8: BJ consider this play I had last weekend at a men’s tournament. ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I'm not sure where the runner that scored was from from 1st ...
      »stick8: BJ, I should have stated there was a runner on third, not first, my ...
      »B.J.: stick, since runner was on 3rd I hope your partner moved out from ...
      »Nancy Allen: Franjan, I was not suggesting that clues would override the call. I ...
      »stick8: BJ, he did come out. Whether he looked back to see if the runner that ...
      »stick8: Nancy what both you and BJ correctly point out dovetails into another ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, amen.
      »franjan: Been away, so late too respond. According to B.J's description, I ...
      »B.J.: franjan.. you never said what the level of your play is.. but that is ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... He's apparently a neighbor of yours in FL and was last ...
      »franjan: Quite right Dave, Haven't played tournament ball in too many years. ...
26 July 29, 2021 940

YOUNGEST AGE OF PLAYERS IN 75s AGE GROUP AND OR 80s

» MR. ED: WE ARE NOW IN THE 75s AGE GROUP AND I HAVE THREE PLAYERS 79 YRS.OF ...
      »DaveDowell: MR. ED ... Here are the relevant Rulebook provisions (on pages 66-67) ...
      »Corn: Dave. When you get a chance can you display the relevant rule for age ...
      »DaveDowell: There is not a relevant rule like these for age 65+ division teams ...
      »Corn: Thanks Dave. I’m suppose to move up to a 65 team in November. The ...
4 July 19, 2021 356
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