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Forfeit or not?

» Willy8: At the Winter Nationals this past November, our team was playing a ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Willy8 ... What age/division and the names of the teams involved? ...
      »Willy8: SSUSA...CC Medical Services vs. Vios in the 70 AAA. The score was ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Willy8 ... We have looked at both the actual game card and the ...
      »Willy8: SSUSA...My main point in the runs against is if that without that one ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Unless, of course, you put up another dozen or so runs in the ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Here is another recent scenario where it wasn't technically a forfeit ...
6 Feb. 4, 2018 1065

infield fly rule

» Jinx: Bases loaded, no outs and an easily caught pop up is hit to the ...
      »Rick35: Infield fly...dead ball and the batter is out.
      »coop3636: The umpire should have called "infield fly IF fair" once it hits the ...
      »DaveDowell: coop3636 gets to the correct ruling, but through slightly flawed ...
      »DieselDan: Some rec leagues call a dead ball strike when the net is hit. Some ...
      »coop3636: Hey In our league it is a foul ball, if it is the 3rd strike, you ...
      »DieselDan: You must be a good defensive pitcher Coop.
      »coop3636: I'll leave that opinion to others I just know I am just crazy enough ...
      »k man: Just curious from anyone who pitches. Did you notice any difference ...
      »stick8: Jinx, on the play you described the ump called infield fly before the ...
9 Feb. 4, 2018 667

1-1 or 0-0 Count

» Bob S.: I notice from the survey that the older age groups prefer starting ...
      »GI: Sounds reasonable to me . have 65 and under start 1-1 and every 5 ...
      »OZ40: I suggested that very concept the last time this topic was threaded ...
      »swing for the fences : Seems to me the older age groups get to their positions on the field ...
      »titanhd: I think to make a valid comparison of weather 1-1 speeds up the games ...
      »OZ40: titanhd-unless every team in the tournament took the exact same ...
      »r4pitch: 1-1 speeds up games...most have played this way for 15 years ..we go ...
      »Garocket: I think titanhd has a good idea. play a few of the early tournaments ...
      »Garocket: Sorry that's 80 % of the pool games get 7 innings.
      »titanhd: OZ40. You are correct NO TWO GAMES ARE ALIKE and they won't be ...
      »Bob S.: To me, the issue isn't just about whether the game will go faster. I ...
      »OZ40: titanhd-absolutely correct there is no predicting what team, what ...
      »OZ40: Sorry the above line should read: That is no reason to change a ...
      »r4pitch: to bob s the hitters have senior bats ....the hottest on market ...
      »SSUSA Staff: REMINDER • Time is getting short for those who may wish to have their ...
      »txnighttrain: Can you put out the email to the National Rules Committee. I would ...
      »DaveDowell: • Email to: info@seniorsoftball.com with "Rules Committee" in the ...
      »The Screamer5: To me the purpose of going to a 1-1 count isn't to speed the game up ...
      »yerwombat: Doesn't throwing strikes really resolve all these issues
      »OZ40: yerwombat- AMEN! As much as this subject has been beaten to death for ...
      »mck71: OZ40, I have refrained from comment on this because I voted and ...
      »OZ40: mck71-Good points, and I too have voted in the survey, that said what ...
      »The Screamer5: It will ALWAYS be a "hitter's" game. That will never change. Last I ...
      »OZ40: It's a hitters game---I've heard that old saw for over half of a ...
      »Crusher23: A few observations to stir the pot, as I had lots of time on my hands ...
      »OZ40: Well said Crusher. As far as pitchers go, every team has one pitcher ...
      »Crusher23: OZ, you and I are on the same page about a lot of things. I've read ...
      »OZ40: Although we qualified for that, we are not going this year. Just ...
      »desertlady: From the this lady's view: I just returned from the tournament in ...
      »SSUSA Staff: desertlady ... That ship sailed about a month ago for the 2018 Season ...
29 Feb. 3, 2018 2008
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SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE 2017 • Annual Meeting Minutes

» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2017 SSUSA ...
      »SSUSA Staff: TECHNICAL RULE BOOK LANGUAGE AMENDMENTS (Rev. 12/15/2017) Redline ...
      »SSUSA Staff: SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE "SPECIAL MEETING" MINUTES • January 9, ...
      »SSUSA Staff: SUMMARY OF SIGNIFICANT RULES CHANGES • 2018 Season The link below ...
3 Jan. 28, 2018 3467

offensive interference

» roco36: Today I was playing the short field position (eleventh player on the ...
      »B.J.: roco36.. it's a tough call without actually seeing the play.. ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Roco36 ... Not necessarily! The first thing that must be judged by ...
      »roco36: There was no ruling by a somewhat inexperienced umpire. He let the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Roco36 ... As B.J. inferred, it's tough to make a "paper ruling" not ...
4 Jan. 27, 2018 565

Runner leaving Base Early

» baseballbill: Dave: Is before the Pitched Ball reaches Home Plate the same as the ...
      »B.J.: no... the ball must be hit, make contact with the plate or ground or ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. is pretty close ... A base runner may leave the base after the ...
      »baseballbill: our problem is: runner leaves on the swing and batter misses the ...
      »DaveDowell: baseballbill ... The runner should be called out by rule ...
      »k man: Sounds like baseballbill wants to know if the ball 'breaks the plane' ...
      »mck71: as an umpire baseballbill, the simple answer is "no" (not runners ...
      »DaveDowell: k man .. I read it (several times) as the dissenter(s) wanting a ...
      »B.J.: Dave, what I meant by being caught in the air... would be a deep ...
      »AncientOne: Dave, you confuse me. In the post where you site the rule, you say ...
      »DaveDowell: That was pretty ambiguous and a poorly worded response! ... Here's ...
      »mck71: AncientOne: my response was to the "swing and miss" post. IF the ...
      »Turbobob: In our 60 plus local senior league, we enforce the rule as stated in ...
      »baseballbill: Turbobob: Your league is modifying the rule. There is a slight ...
      »DaveDowell: Turbobob ...We would disagree that "..There is absolutely nothing to ...
      »marcster13: Geez. All the mentioning of "swing n miss" here has me scratching my ...
15 Jan. 26, 2018 913

Base runner leaving early

» baseballbill: What is the rule definition,I can not find it in the Rule Book ???
      »DaveDowell: Rule Book §6.13 • NO PITCH (on pages 36-37) No pitch shall be ...
      »baseballbill: Thanks Dave !!!
2 Jan. 22, 2018 491

first baseman charging the plate during delivery of the pitch

» Randall: I couldn't believe I was watching this happen, but it was an obvious ...
      »lb16: Yes it should be called as defensive interference batter should get ...
      »lb16: I should also add this would all be if in umpire's judgement ...
      »HAT MAN: No such rule. We had a 5 man play to that right and 10 feet in front ...
      »SSUSA Staff: lb16 and HAT MAN ... It appears you have two separate hypothetical ...
      »lb16: SSUSA Staff yes I was referring to Randall's situation. Don't know ...
      »B.J.: Ib16, it could be that he just read your post wrong..I know I have ...
      »rightrj1: Staff, Why is distracting or trying to distract a batter considered ...
      »marcster13: Is the catcher considered a "fielder"? I ask because often catchers ...
      »DaveDowell: rightjr1 and marcster13 ... The rule has it's background a long time ...
      »HAT MAN: Lb16 I don't know why people like you know it all and anyone else who ...
      »lb16: HAT MAN, no I don't know it all never have claimed to. I gave a ...
      »DaveDowell: OK, that's enough ... TWO distinct hypothetical situations here ... ...
12 Jan. 20, 2018 1335

Base Runner in jeopardy or not?

» Steve in Tucson: This situation came up in a game toady. The batter swung and missed ...
      »rlspls1974: See rule 7.4B For each legally pitched ball swung at and missed by ...
      »grayhitter59: Nice play by the catcher, way to be in the game. Except for one ...
      »stick8: To my knowledge, in all of senior softball any swing and miss by the ...
3 Jan. 18, 2018 708

Thoughts on new Courtesy Runner rule

» marcster13: I like the new Courtesy Runner rule. It should help keep the game ...
      »SSUSA Staff: marcster13 ... The "new" Courtesy Runner rule isn't all that complex ...
      »marcster13: Ahhhhhhhhh okay. Totally different than what I thought it was. Not ...
      »DaveDowell: Nope ... The goal is to have the next batter's at-bat start ...
3 Jan. 16, 2018 880

umpire interference

» roco36: A base path umpire interfered with our second baseman as he attempted ...
      »DaveDowell: This isn't specifically covered in the SSUSA Rule Book, but here's an ...
      »B.J.: roco... well the HP umpire got it 1/2 right.. the umpire is ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I would propose that the HP umpire got it completely right ...
      »B.J.: Dave, you are correct, I mis-read the OP and then your explanation ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. - The absolutely most accurate part of any of the replies was ...
      »roco36: Thanks for your comments. The umpire did not fall over laughing ...
6 Jan. 14, 2018 648

Today's Big Vote

» NYGNYY: Sometime today we should hear about the rules committee's big ...
      »DaveDowell: NYGNYY ... May be time for a "gut check" ... You'd be very surprised ...
      »DaveDowell: NYGNYY ... I'll "see" your $5 and a Pork Sandwich and "raise" you $5 ...
      »NYGNYY: Dave thanks for keeping this lively. I for one was opposed to the ...
      »B.J.: NYGNYY... i googled it...lol electoral fraud... I like the buying ...
      »DaveDowell: That's hilarious, NYGNYY and B.J. ... Thanks for the education on the ...
5 Jan. 10, 2018 1033

Player Ejection

» SCUBA: What is the penalty to a player ejected during a tournament? Those ...
      »SSUSA Staff: In SSUSA sanctioned tournament play, any further penalty beyond the ...
      »B.J.: even for league play it's usually the same as Dave described ...
      »JimmyG: In leagues I have played in, it is usually a minimum of current game ...
      »txnighttrain: What about a guy that makes physical contact with an umpire that ...
      »B.J.: I assume you mean during a disagreement with a call.. the player ...
      »marcster13: Last year in Palm Springs 40's a play shoved an umpire. The umpire ...
6 Dec. 30, 2017 1096

"1-1" Count Member Preference Survey Completed

» SSUSA Staff: The Member Preference Survey closed as of midnight Monday (12/18/17) ...
      »SSUSA Staff: SURVEY RESULTS SYNOPSIS • Invited to Participate ► 22,877 • ...
1 Dec. 20, 2017 1926

morning sunrise

» youngen: so here's the situation. early morning game. sun at pitchers back. ...
      »Chief144: There was a SSUSA rule allowing this to happen in 2016. The rule was ...
      »B.J.: no suspension of play if sun is in the batters eyes... below is the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: youngen ... The simple answer is the umpire invoked his own rule in ...
      »stick8: I vividly recall ssusa worlds a few years ago playing an 8am 50 major ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... The Sun affecting the FIELDERS' vision IS a safety issue ...
      »youngen: So if I understand the comments here the only official allowable ...
      »SSUSA Staff: youngen ... YES, as it relates to SSUSA sanctioned tournament play ...
7 Dec. 14, 2017 900

1 and 1 count

» rock21: With time limits per game, how about speeding up games by batters ...
      »ffdonnie: Only if it comes with, no extra foul ball. That makes it worthless. I ...
      »B.J.: or how about having your pitcher throw more 1st pitch strikes...I ...
      »r4pitch: Please 1-1 count with a foul ...Anyone under65 played this the last ...
      »Crusher23: It would seem to me that more first pitch strikes would solve the ...
      »r4pitch: Not really ....1-1 count is used everywhere but senior ball why.....
      »marcster13: 1 n 1 no foul was used in 2017 40's as a one year trial. People ...
      »DaveDowell: marcster ... The "1-1/no waste foul" trial for the 40-Masters ...
      »titanhd: Played in Naples at winter worlds.I watched the 40's play. The 1-1 ...
      »Jawood: How can a 1-1 count NOT speed up the game? Wouldn't it be ...
      »r4pitch: 1-1 count does speed up the games trying to get more than 5 innings ...
      »titanhd: Not sure what the 40's "not using a foul" statement implied.Logically ...
      »stattad: Just played a non-SSUSA tournament with a 1-1 count. I was not a fan ...
      »DaveDowell: titanhd ... Not sure which tourney you observed without a 7-inning ...
      »Jawood: Limit the pitcher to one warm up pitch at the start of the inning. ...
      »HAT MAN: 1 and 1 should stay. We won it at winter worlds and played all 7 ...
      »marcster13: Dave- Sorry, I read "season 2017" as just the playing season of 2017 ...
      »DaveDowell: markster13 ... You read it right ... The Rules Committee meets after ...
      »OZ40: Every year we beat this dead horse. Speaking as an umpire and player ...
      »r4pitch: OZ40 completely untrue 1-1 speeds up play ...as a pitcher i never ...
      »NYGNYY: Looking at the posts it looks like if you're a pitcher---your all for ...
      »Jawood: OZ40, The things you speak of that slow the game down are true but ...
      »Crusher23: More observations on pace of play: I'm pretty sure that in general ...
      »bond_171513: Couldn't agree more with Crusher. At the least, the CR should not be ...
      »Jon44: Totally agree with crusher23 on the courtesy runner abuse. With that ...
      »garyheifner: PLEASE pass the 1-1. I am an outfielder. But, looks like I might be ...
      »OZ40: I have umpired U-Trip at the time they changed from a full count ...
      »genwa1: Missing from this discussion is any data collection. Numerous causes ...
      »DCPete: Come on now, it's simple math & numbers can't lie. With the 0 - 0 ...
      »Jawood: I would definitely agree with the suggestion of one courtesy runner ...
      »genwa1: Ok DCPete: Please give me these simple math and numbers: How many ...
      »Omar Khayyam: genwa1 makes a good point. On my 16 man roster team, only 2 men will ...
      »DCPete: Genwa; there can be no study, actual or otherwise, that could prove ...
      »ChiPrimeMarty: Many good points were made in this thread, but I agree with BCPete. ...
      »L.Martin: I agree with the multiple courtesy per inning slowing down the game, ...
      »The real deal: Does the 1 and 1 count speed up games? Probably a little. But it ...
      »BruceinGa: So, what I your goal? As a player, what is your goal? Is it to make ...
      »DaveDowell: L.Martin ... "defiantly"? ... Pretty funny, but I would have maybe ...
      »BruceinGa: Dave, I was just wondering the "real" reason/s by those wanting the ...
      »RIK56: Bruce my reason is i get more foul outs with 1-1 then with a full ...
      »DaveDowell: BruceinGa ... There are a lot of "real" reasons, depending, in my ...
      »Jawood: Math was never my best subject in school but 58 for 58 seems like a ...
      »Rainmans: Every year this topic comes up – the never ending story (death and ...
      »NYGNYY: I agree with Rainmans. For all of you wanting 1 & 1, for all your ...
      »SSUSA Staff: This is from a post following the most recent "1-1 count" member ...
      »Jawood: NYGNYY, It looks like I may be the same age as you and played with ...
      »Jon44: Seen spirited arguments for it and against the 1-1 count in this ...
      »DaveDowell: Jon44 ... the "1-1/NO waste foul" was a year-long trial in ALL ...
      »Jon44: Fingers-crossed it passes... thanks for the clarification.
      »HAT MAN: I vote 1 an 1 count. Played all year and never played less then 7 ...
      »Jawood: Forget the 2nd place hat altogether! If you're not first, you're last ...
      »BruceinGa: Rainmans, my solution is one pitch! Games would last about 30 ...
      »HAT MAN: Thank you SSUSA for keeping the 1 and 1 count for 40s. I do think ...
      »DaveDowell: Vinny ... We're still evaluating the potential for expanding the ...
      »Jawood: Tabled again? Really? Excellent explanation from HAT MAN!
54 Dec. 2, 2017 2979

GLOVES/MITTS

» B.J.: Staff, I'm confused on the below new glove/mitt rule.. first it ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... The redline text is NEW language and the strikeout text is ...
      »HAT MAN: I think for fun a team should show up to play one game and all 10 ...
      »DieselDan: I run faster for gap shots or pop ups without the glove. Then I get ...
      »DaveDowell: Vinny ... One of the earliest 40-Masters teams when the 40's program ...
      »B.J.: Dave, lol... I'm gonna have to get my reading glasses checked.. I ...
5 Dec. 2, 2017 875

foul ball out

» local: On a "must be fair" foul ball, how can a runner advance if the ball ...
      »B.J.: in SSUSA it is a live ball out just like a fair ball fly out.. many ...
1 Dec. 1, 2017 684

75+ roster question

» Larry S: SPA rule allows : Players on Men’s 75+ Major Plus, Major, and AAA ...
      »SSUSA Staff: SSUSA Rules do NOT allow for out-of-region players for the 75+ age ...
1 Nov. 20, 2017 457

Looking for a simple answer to adding or substituting players

» Boro: Let's say your team shows up short 1 player. Where does this ...
      »Duke: In my leagues, the majority of teams/players do not care who you have ...
      »Turbobob: In our 60 plus league, we normally play with 11 players. Show up ...
      »Omar Khayyam: In our Saturday league, the focus is to have a fun competition. ...
3 Nov. 18, 2017 567
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