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I'm sure I got it wrong---What would be the right call» franjan: Nobody on base. The Batter hits a ground ball to 2nd baseman who ...»DieselDan: Intentionally kicked the ball? »B.J.: per your OP the runner beat the throw and did not advance on the ... »franjan: B.J. Your view of the action needed to be taken makes sense although ... »B.J.: franjan.. yes you are correct.. "IF" the runner had tried to advance ... »Michael Plunkett: That of course is defensive interference. The consequences of ... »DCPete: The Umpire's job is to make their call based on what actually ... »Nancy Allen: Franjan, is the coach a base coach or a defensive coach? »B.J.: Michael, I don't think this scenario had anything to do with a ... »Nancy Allen: Hi, B.J. I read the scenario as base coach. Then I saw Michael's ... »stick8: In all the years I’ve umpired tournament ball I’ve never had a case ... »Michael Plunkett: My mistake, but there are offensive players that do obstacle by ... »Michael Plunkett: In this case the offensive intentional kicked ball with intent to ... »Michael Plunkett: Being intentional wouldn’t this actually be offensive obstruction, I ... »B.J.: Michael... INTERFERENCE is on the offense... OBSTRUCTION is on the ... |
14 | March 16, 2021 | 930 |
When sliding is NOT an option» Randall: Rule 8.6 states that a player must do whatever is possible to avoid a ...»B.J.: randall.. it depends on where the fielder was positioned awaiting the ... »Donna McGuire: There is a fine line between obstruction and interference on some ... »Randall: The defender was not blocking the base. The runner could have avoided ... »B.J.: randall.. you've been given plenty of insight and had the rule ... »stick8: Randall, It sounds like you made the right call but I’d have to see ... »Turning2: Randall - you made the correct call, good job, runner is out based ... »stick8: Turning2, the sentence after my scenarios reads: “these are strictly ... »DaveDowell: I'm going to hook my wagon to the horse that has about 80 times as ... »B.J.: turning2.. you have a right to your opinion on INT or OBS but I do ... »Turning2: stick8, DaveDowell, B.J. - looks and sounds like you guys have been ... »B.J.: turning2 yes you are correct we have been around for a while.. and ... »Turning2: B.J. - good answer and info, thx. I’m not versed on the base being a ... »B.J.: T2.. it's just good to have a NICE debate back and forth looking ... »stick8: Turning2 I understand and agree with most of what you say. There’s ... »Turning2: Stick8 - We’re getting there and the discussions are fun. So for me, ... »stick8: Youre fortunate you have the ability to do that Turning2. Not many at ... »Michael Plunkett: I have to make one comment about the local rules that sometimes allow ... »B.J.: Michael.. I don't believe SSUSA will do that since they basically ... »Michael Plunkett: That you BJ but I was referring to OTHER THAN AVOIDING A ... |
19 | March 16, 2021 | 934 |
Rule interpretation» franjan: HI, In our local senior softball league in an attempt to reduce the ...»stick8: Interesting situation. First and foremost I’d have to read the entire ... »AJC: Franjan, our local club also has in place the rule where you can run ... »B.J.: as stick mentioned the actual wording of the rule is important.. I ... »Turning2: ++ agree with stick8 and BJ, how the rule is written will be the ... »DCPete: Particularly on a play at 3B, the ball is probably coming in behind ... »AJC: Gee DC Pete, thats what i was trying to say. Lol. As usual BJ & ... »franjan: Thanks all for your input. There is no difinitive wording in our run ... »stick8: Franjan based on what you’ve posted here it appears to me (again I’d ... »AJC: Stick8, it sounds like we have pretty much the same rules as Franjan. ... »stick8: AJC, many moons ago I played in an indoor winter league which had the ... »Michael Plunkett: The Run By Rule that some locals use is the stupidest rule ... |
11 | March 12, 2021 | 697 |
How to handle ejected player» warren60: I would like clarification on the ejected player rule. If there ...»TimMcElroy: SSUSA rule- If a player is ejected, he / she can be replaced with a ... »MB SG #1: The Huntsman World Senior Games (that will resume this year and will ... »B.J.: MB...I'm not sure on their exact rules... but it could be that a ... »MB SG #1: B.J....You are correct in that respect. Their (HWSG) rules state ... »MB SG #1: B.J....You are correct in that respect. Their (HWSG) rules state ... »B.J.: MB .. well that seems harsh if you are batting more than 10.. I could ... »MB SG #1: B.J. The Huntsman Games with no border restrictions usually is ... |
7 | March 9, 2021 | 574 |
Explanation please» BillMine: Can someone please explain to me how 2 players that played 2 years ...»DaveDowell: Please call the Sacramento Office at (916) 326.5303 during weekday ... »BillMine: No one is dealing in hypotheticals or "what ifs" these are facts. Two ... »BillMine: I'm not trying to be combative. I'm just pointing out that it makes ... »DaveDowell: OK, since you aren't giving a lot of indication that you're going to ... »BillMine: Well Dave since you didn't take the time to read my previous ... »BillMine: Like I said I don't want to be combative. Maybe my example will never ... »DaveDowell: So, let's get to the heart of the matter ... [1] You are incorrect on ... »BillMine: I apologize for being incorrect on the sponsor exemption. The 20 year ... »TimMcElroy: Here's the thing that you may not understand. SSUSA tries to protect ... »Fabe: Mahalo for all that SSUSA does! There is no perfect system, but they ... »DaveDowell: Bill ... Nothing is "fool proof" because, well, fools are so damn ... »HSquared: Tim/Dave……Using the statement, “SSUSA tries to protect the teams at ... »DaveDowell: H² ... You're not in need of "too much edge-a-katin" on this ... The ... |
13 | March 5, 2021 | 1201 |
SAFE or OUT» alan--23: I had a play today the batter beat out an infield hit but never ...»Wayne 37: To be honest, some rulesets will do it the way you did it, as a ... »B.J.: a runner advancing to and passing any base is presumed to have ... »Wayne 37: Huh?!?!? alan-23, The mechanic you used is acceptable. You are ... »stick8: Interesting situation! When a runner totally misses a base that ... »B.J.: Wayne.. you posted (If you should use a signal,that signal should be ... »UMP AR: I agree with B.J. »stick8: BJ, would that nullify a dead ball appeal in situation alan23 posted? »B.J.: stick... both a live and dead ball appeal would be honored if it was ... »Wayne 37: {Wayne.. you posted (If you should use a signal,that signal should be ... »DieselDan: Wasn't aware an appeal has to be made before the batter gets back to ... »txnighttrain: The rule in SSUSA is clear, the runner is out if the 1st baseman ... »Wayne 37: txnighttrain, What you're referring to is the batter/runner being ... »stick8: BJ, perhaps my using “nullify” was the wrong word. I didnt intend it ... »B.J.: stick.. no a dead ball appeal can be made right after all runners ... »stick8: Ok. That’s how it’s done in young man’s ball. I wasn’t certain if it ... »Rumplestilskin: The Rules provide that the batter runner must TOUCH the runner's base ... »B.J.: Dave, please clear this up because I don't believe SSUSA stipulates ... »B.J.: Dave... again please clear this up.. what is SSUSA's ruling on if a ... »DaveDowell: OK B.J., here goes ... The Rule Book language at §8.4(1) requiring ... »DCPete: Hard to understand why this rule wouldn't align with all other ... »DaveDowell: DCPete ... Sounds like you are describing an "accidental appeal", ... »B.J.: Thx. Dave »DCPete: Not sure what an "accidental appeal" is but if the Pitcher appealed ... »stick8: DCPete it’s because in the original scenario the batter-runner went ... »DaveDowell: DCPete ... "Accidental appeal" • For example, if on a clean hit you ... »Wayne 37: I don't think I've ever heard of a non-verbal appeal. In the OP, ... »B.J.: wayne...WOW.. with your many years and vast experience umpiring in ... »Wayne 37: That's not an appeal play. The runner ... »DaveDowell: Wayne ... I can give you an example of an ACTUAL non-verbal appeal ... »stick8: Dave, I used to umpire a deaf team in a house league several years ... »DaveDowell: You're right on the "live ball appeal" clarification ... My point was ... »Wayne 37: If that was meant to be a joke, I'll tell my granddaughter who is ... »DaveDowell: That was as "serious as a heart attack" (I have some expertise on ... »Hank Heffner: Dave if Wayne has never heard of a non verbal appeal that tells me he ... »Wayne 37: Dear Hank, What you described is not an APPEAL And Dave, I ... »DaveDowell: Just one last hair to split ... Your condescending, factually ... »Hank Heffner: If it is not an appeal what is it Wayne. |
37 | Feb. 11, 2021 | 1496 |
Pitchers attire» franjan: Hi, are there any rules governing the pitcher wearing a glove, such ...»B.J.: a glove is not allowed on the pitching hand 6.9 • PITCHING ... »Wayne 37: What if it isn't a batting glove, but one of those working gloves ... »B.J.: the rule doesn't state it but NO type of glove is allowed on the ... »Turning2: i agree with BJ, typically the only "glove" mentioned in rules ... »J R: I think those rules went away with Covid.We allow pitchers in our ... »B.J.: JR.. good point... I'm not sure what a glove would do for you ... »Wayne 37: Bj, The rule only specified batting gloves and I thought you were ... »B.J.: wayne.. finally you are right about something.. congrats here is ... »Mikelmart: Please do not think that wearing a glove will help regardless. If ... »Wayne 37: jb....you must have low self esteem or an over inflated opinion of ... »TimMcElroy: Thank you for once again turning the message board into a MESS. »chico senior: Tim - I totally agree! I think we have the reincarnation of Einstein ... »dead weight: Could anybody give a good reason for the finger tape mentioned in the ... »DRB22: Tape may be necessary for a finger injury is the only reason I think ... »Donna McGuire: Pitchers sometimes tape an injured finger. Example: taping two ... »Wayne 37: Tim, it's always my fault isn't it? But, you're not the one he ... »dead weight: Thank you for the responses. Could a pitcher gain an advantage by ... »stick8: Einstein!! Blast from the past!! I wonder how he’s doing. I played ... »B.J.: to all: I always treat people the way they treat me.. I have NEVER ... »birdie: I miss Einstein not so much Gary C. however. A glove is a glove no ... »mck71: dead weight - I personally don't think taping your fingers would give ... »Wayne 37: "I treat people like they treat me." So following someone to ... |
22 | Feb. 11, 2021 | 1028 |
Force out or not» RdLake: With man on first, shortstop fielding a ground ball, tripped & fell ...»Wayne 37: Out »B.J.: Rd... the runner was FORCED to vacate 1st base when the batter hit ... »Wayne 37: Really the runner is only FORCED by the B/R becoming a runner ... »stick8: RdLake ask yourself this. If a runner is caught in a run down between ... |
4 | Feb. 10, 2021 | 382 |
Interference?» Randall: With a runner on first base, there is a ground ball hit to deep ...»B.J.: Randall.. this call is a tough one.. it would be the judgment of the ... »STL0: Based on the scenario as described, I could see the second baseman ... »Turning2: Rule 8.6 "If in the umpire’s judgment the runner fails to avoid a ... »stick8: Randall, tough play to call. It sounds to me that since the umpire ... »UMP AR: In my opinion, if the runner reaches the base and declared safe and ... »Turning2: stick8 and UMP AR Rule is clear as a bell - Rule 8.6 "If in the ... »B.J.: turning.. over the years I have seen the above scenario a few times ... »stick8: Turning2, I’d have to see the play Randall describes before I can ... »Turning2: To BJ this is my last comment, Randall, the original poster stated ... »stick8: Turning2, you may not be wrong in what you say about the play but ... »mck71: So simply reading the scenario and NOT KNOWING ANY HISTORY, I STILL ... »UMP AR: I suspect that T2 is a middle infielder...not really matters....but I ... »DCPete: To mck71, pretty sure there's no rule that says a runner Must slide ... »Wayne 37: mck71, I had something similar happen to me a few years back, only ... »Turning2: Earlier i had stated that i wouldn't comment further but since a ... »stick8: Turning2, I’m not trying to get into a nitpick battle here. Again, ... »Turning2: Stick8 You’ll get no argument from me on any topic. If a base ... »stick8: You’re actually reiterating what I posted earlier Turning2. Umpire ... »Turning2: Stick8 - you say you don’t want to “get into a nitpick battle here” ... »Wayne 37: Dear Turning2, I'm fully aware of what is a legal slide and what ... »Turning2: Wayne 37 - I implied nothing, nor am i wrong on anything that i have ... »B.J.: to all... for the most part we all agree on what the rule is... what ... »stick8: Turning2, maybe I’m reading this wrong but I’m of the opinion you’re ... »Turning2: stick8 - not agitated at all, simply supplying fact vs supposition ... »Wayne 37: T2, You're a hoot. Seems you like to answer questions with a ... »Turning2: Wayne 37 - You’re the one that said illegal and legal slide, not ... »Rumplestilskin: This is not a difficult call. The runner attempted to avoid the RULE ... »Wayne 37: T2, You're one of those that I sometimes come across who are just ... »Turning2: Wayne 37 - I'll once again take your bait and ... |
29 | Feb. 8, 2021 | 988 |
Rule book» Randall: I’ve been told that the rule book is on this website, but I sure ...»Turning2: Randall - on the Home page, click on Tournaments and a drop down menu ... »Wayne 37: What rule set do you work under? I've never played in a senior ... »B.J.: wayne... lmao.. now that last post of yours explains a lot of your ... »Turning2: Wayne 37 - i assume you directed your post at my answer. Randall ... »Wayne 37: T2, You assumed wrong. Perhaps you should show the same respect ... »Turning2: Wayne 37 - you did respond to my answer to Randall, you simply ... »Wayne 37: T2, You told Randall where to find the SSUSA rules located on the ... »jimperry19: I am so happy that this site is turning into an umpire pissing match ... »DaveDowell: ...And eight of the nine most recent threads at the moment all ... |
9 | Feb. 8, 2021 | 475 |
Infield Fly (not)» fresnomdn: No outs, runner on 1B. Batter pops up in front of SS (big wind ...»txnighttrain: An infield fly is only when runners are at 1st & 2nd or bases loaded ... »fresnomdn: I know the Infield Fly scenario. Didn't know what else to name this ... »B.J.: yes..read below 1.37 • INTENTIONALLY DROPPED FLY BALL If a ... »fresnomdn: Thanks B.J. Not sure I like it, but I do understand how age might ... »Rumplestilskin: BJ is correct. »Wayne 37: fresnomdn, An untouched ball isn't an intentionally dropped ball. ... »B.J.: wayne.. maybe in wayne's world the umpire should just let it go ... ... »Wayne 37: So do I kill the play by waving my arms and shouting, "Dead ball! ... |
8 | Feb. 8, 2021 | 573 |
you make the call» Turning2: Runner on third, one or fewer outs, sharp grounder hit to third base, ...»JBTexas : One out at first and runner is safe at home if no return throw from ... »stick8: I have an out st first and run scores »Wayne 37: Catcher chould have chased the runner back to 3B. However, as F2 I ... »Turning2: Wayne 37 I agree, catcher could possibly have gotten the runner on ... »B.J.: wayne.. and a smart runner would have waited for the catcher to chase ... »UMP AR: Batter/runner out at first, run scores. »Wayne 37: And a smart catcher can beat the runner back to the strike mat. I've ... »Rumplestilskin: No real issue here. As noted, if the runner is not tagged before he ... |
8 | Feb. 7, 2021 | 438 |
3rd Base Commitment line» OZ40: Our league has the halfway commitment line between 3rd and home, once ...»lb16: If catcher moves off of mat to catch ball and brushes runner going ... »B.J.: I agree with lb16 ... except that when the fielder brushed up ... »rmp0012002: Most runners are usually far enough away from the baseline going ... »B.J.: rmp... how do you call a runner safe if he is not illegally tagged? ... »DCPete: There should always be a provision for Incidental Contact just like ... »B.J.: DCPete.. there are 2 provisions they are called Interference or ... »DaveDowell: DC Pete ... There's also an unstated third option that many times is ... »stick8: Oz, since I’m in this league with you allow me to provide my take on ... »OZ40: Sticckkkk, you got this one? Tom was great guy. He was my boss too ... »Omar Khayyam: I have a related question for a play that I was part of. I'm on ... »Omar Khayyam: By the way, shortstop apologizes to me after the play because he knew ... »B.J.: omar.. as you describe the play it sounds like the SS had a chance to ... »stick8: Oz, If Matte had you watch Dwayne you were watching one of the best! ... »Wayne 37: Well, someone has been listening to my advice. Kudos to Dave! A ... »B.J.: wayne just for info: you said.. (And Omar, you should have been ... »Wayne 37: Spellchecker on my (new) phone let me down. Believe me, in a ... »Rumplestilskin: With regard to the original query, a runner has an obligation to ... |
17 | Feb. 7, 2021 | 837 |
Altered bat» Randall: Is a “rolled” bat considered to be an altered bat?»DaveDowell: YES, ABSOLUTELY, NO EXCUSES, SUSPENSION COMING YOUR WAY IF CAUGHT ... ... »DCPete: Was told years ago that rolling the bat will illegally enlarge the ... »pizzaboy: After playing in the Ssusa and Issa TOC tournaments last week I think ... »Wood_1966: If you need to roll or shave a senior bat, you bought the wrong bat ... »Wayne 37: pizzaboy, I saw a bat that was rolled one time and it practically had ... »BH44: I would love that any TOC tournaments that bats are checked and kept ... »Mikelmart: I try and find an edge to up my game but I draw the line at shaving a ... »leftybob: Unfortunately Rolled/shaved bats are both very prevalent in the ... |
8 | Feb. 5, 2021 | 1073 |
Interference?» Randall: Thank you to BJ and turn. I appreciate your feedback as well as the ...»B.J.: Randall.. it's not that we disagreed it's just how umpires may judge ... »Randall: I understand. I truly appreciate your assistance. |
2 | Feb. 4, 2021 | 195 |
Interference or not» Randall: Ok ,I need help. It appears my league is split on this call. we had a ...»Wayne 37: Sounds like who was covering 2B was waiting for a throw from F6 on ... |
1 | Feb. 2, 2021 | 184 |
Commitment line» Randall: A runner is running home from 3rd base. He stops with one foot on the ...»DaveDowell: There is no provision in the rule that requires the base runner to ... »B.J.: Randall.. yes the wording of the rule could use some tweaking... ... »DaveDowell: Randall ... This is a long-running soap opera script ... B.J. takes ... »B.J.: Dave... lol... I always go "non stop" economy class »B.J.: and just to add a little more fuel to the fire.. definition of ... »stick8: Randall, the only way that runner surrenders or gives himself up is ... »DaveDowell: So B.J., you would be fine conceptually if the base runner edged ... »B.J.: Dave .. absolutely...and in doing so the runner then would be ... »Wayne 37: As I've stated a few times before, not every situation is covered in ... »DaveDowell: The smart play, but that has its drawbacks, too, because we're ... |
10 | Feb. 2, 2021 | 492 |
Infield fly rule......» Brotherhood Manager: Ok. So this will sound stupid for me asking and I know the rule... ...»B.J.: For an umpire to call IF I would not use the word discretion... I ... »DaveDowell: I agree with B.J. ... I wouldn't use the word "discretion" either ... ... »B.J.: Dave, yes I spotted the extra e in judgment after I posted... but ... »DaveDowell: I didn't notice it either ... I was emphasing the JUDGMENT as opposed ... »Mikelmart: As we age up in SS the infield fly rule and ordinary effort should ... »grayhitter59: a fair fly ball (not including a line drive or a bunt) which can be ... »grayhitter59: here is the rule according SSUSA. A fair fly ball (not including a ... »stick8: Grayhitter59 you’re just about correct and I do agree with most of ... »DRB22: I would have to say the the infield fly rule cannot be applied ... »B.J.: stick is correct the ball doesn't have to be in the IF.. In fact ... »grayhitter59: what, before the next play, are you kidding me, this can never ... »chasbutter: Well apparently it is @ the umpire's discretion, because we were ... »grayhitter59: in our case the umpire and TD decided because the sun was in the eyes ... »DRB22: chasbutter, yeah a clear mistake there. I don't have a problem with ... »grayhitter59: Every time Tim is not the TD, I get the short end of the ... »Turbobob: It is because of all the reasons stated above that our public 60 plus ... »B.J.: grayhitter... here's a great idea for you.. try reading the rule ... »chico senior: About 10 years ago I was umpiring a game in our Masters Division ... »DaveDowell: Should probably have ultimately been ruled a foul ball ... You made ... »chico senior: The funny thing is I didn’t even realize the ball had rolled foul as ... »Omar Khayyam: Our weekly (pre-Covid, sadly) Club league also changed the infield ... »stick8: Omar in the league you reference it sounds to me like “infield fly, ... »Omar Khayyam: stick8, you are correct—that would be an accurate call, but since we ... »Turbobob: stick8, there are NO automatic outs from a dropped infield fly or ... »txnighttrain: If the Infield Fly is called by the umpire, the batter is out and ... »UMP AR: "Ordinary Effort": I "judge" the capability of the fielder(s) to make ... »rmp0012002: If it’s a routine or of “ordinary effort’ the umpire should call the ... »stick8: When I played young man’s ball I played a lot of middle. On a pop up ... |
28 | Jan. 30, 2021 | 1265 |
New mercy rule for 2021» TD. Tom: I was wondering about the new 22 and 15 run rule after 4th or 5th ...»JBTexas : TD, better question how can you be down by 21 going into the 5th when ... »TD. Tom: Lol...guess I did not think it through.... |
2 | Jan. 26, 2021 | 519 |
AAA PLAYING a AA In pool play» wheelzy10: What is the homerun rule when AAA plays AA in a pool play game? (3) ...»DaveDowell: It's the Home Run rule of the LOWER rated team in the game ... AA = 1 ... »wheelzy10: Thankyou Dave |
2 | Jan. 20, 2021 | 277 |
