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coaches touching a runner

» 1jonsey: had a runner round 3rd base and was held up by the base coach, as h ...
      »garyheifner: Very common for a 3rd base ump to high 5 a guy in his HR ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Pretty harsh (and probably incorrect) call on that one ... The intent ...
      »Joncon: """Obviously, ump used no common sense.""" Or he was unfamiliar ...
      »Nancy Allen: Gary, there is no guarantee that an umpire knows the rules, but a HR ...
      »B.J.: I agree with the point about the umpire using common sense...but that ...
5 April 2, 2016 774

Mask On Field

» HJ: Our league has been encouraging fielders to get Face Masks. A number ...
      »OZ40: I would say that the existing rules covering interference would cover ...
      »B.J.: since this is a local league I would write up a specific rule ...
      »Az Iz: Watched and played in many, many games...never seen it happen! I ...
3 March 28, 2016 592

Appeal Play?

» TexasTransplant: I posted this on the Softballfans.com umpiring forum and got two ...
      »TimMcElroy: No run scores. This is not an appeal play. Rule 8.3 C The ...
      »k man: Not just the batter, but when there is a force situation, I can't ...
      »1jonsey: Tim, I read the rule but why isn't this an appeal? I have a couple ...
      »stick8: Texas transplant that umpire was correct. If he just goes into the ...
      »1jonsey: stick so batter is only called out without an appeal if he enters ...
      »OZ40: Sounds like comparing apples to oranges to me. In "Texas Transplants" ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey, unless he is out on a force any base runner who goes into ...
      »B.J.: STAFF....In rule 8.3C it only mentions the batter-runner is out when ...
      »OZ40: A runner only has to advance if he is forced to. So I cannot see the ...
      »B.J.: oz40...yes....I didn't put in that runners were forced to advance
      »OZ40: I would think this is an appeal play. 2 years ago at the Winter ...
      »B.J.: OZ40 I agree with you I think it's an appeal play also...what I'm ...
      »k man: OZ - Page 45 of SSUSA Rules 2015-2016 there is a note after the ...
      »crusher: SSUSA and SPA are both Hit & Sit for ball over the fence. Base ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Texas Transplant ... You proposed the original hypothetical before ...
      »B.J.: Staff....thx for the detailed explanation for the above scenarios...
16 March 26, 2016 790

Which base?

» FreeAgent10: Rule about a runner going to first says he must touch the orange bag ...
      »VegasPaul: If there is no play I believe he can touch the white. Rule 8.4(1) ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We concur with VegasPaul's interpretation
      »FreeAgent10: Thanks for the info.
3 March 22, 2016 343

Open inning ruling

» AZ sfbl: Today in Phoenix we were playing in the semi finals and this ...
      »E6 in AZ: Play by play for what occurred today: As I walking to coach 1st at ...
      »SSUSA Staff: For tournaments played under SSUSA sanction and rules, the game ...
      »lb16: Pitch being thrown or not has nothing to do with it. Once the 3rd out ...
      »E6 in AZ: SSUSA Staff: Thank you for your attention on this matter, which ...
      »AZ sfbl: SSUSA staff what is going to be done to this region director that ...
      »SSUSA Staff: AZ sfbl - We responded above solely to the rules issue raised ... Any ...
      »Dbax: Congratulations to Az. Old School on a great performance. You guys ...
      »Hitemdeep: if you guys have played in Ricks tourneys before this is very common. ...
      »BruceinGa: Hitemdeep, you can vote with your wallet. Refuse to play in his ...
      »Dbax: If this is a SSUSA qualifier, does he have the authority to make up ...
      »Hitemdeep: Easier said than done Bruce. There are no other tournaments to play ...
      »Garocket: Lots of tournaments in this area are going to round robin pools with ...
      »Dbax: Rocket, that may be true, but the rules for an SSUSA qualifier as ...
      »E6 in AZ: Looking forward to your St. George tourney at the end of the month. ...
14 March 19, 2016 1392

face masks

» gangerman8: Can a pitcher still sign off on not wearing a mask?
      »SSUSA Staff: NO - Rulebook provision below: 6.17 PITCHER'S MANDATED MINIMUM ...
      »19: Can someone please tell me the real reason why this rule exists? I ...
      »SSUSA Staff: A mask for a pitcher is simply a mandated piece of protective ...
      »Rick35: gangerman8 - No...as I supported the rule of pitchers must wear the ...
      »Spock: Pitching without a facemask at the senior level would be the ...
      »gangerman8: I have been pitching for many years,the problem i have with this is ...
      »PoollShark: I was originally against this rule but after playing senior ball for ...
      »Sparky.1: Why not just cut the chase and eliminate the "Pitcher" position? ...
      »19: So the consensus appears to be that middle-age and older pitchers are ...
      »SSUSA Staff: 19 and gangerman8 ... A not-so-short short history lesson may be ...
      »Fabe: Those examples are ways that grown people still throw a tantrum when ...
      »Dancer: I am a pitcher and don't have a problem with a mask. I have been hit ...
      »magic #25: excellent answer by ssusa staff, this rule is here to stay. please ...
      »BruceinGa: I don't pitch much in tournaments but when I do I don't mind wearing ...
      »Omar Khayyam: BruceinGa, seems like it takes a secure ego to laugh off comments. ...
      »mad dog: this all well and good ssusa....but who now has to pay for this ...
      »19: Omar, Sorry, but I just don't think it is SSUSA's place to be ...
      »'Skerz: mad dog/19 - please get over yourself. SSUSA is doing what they know ...
      »PoollShark: mad dog, a mask doesn't exactly break the bank. I have 2, a $30 ...
      »19: 'Skerz, if they really want to make the game safer they would do a ...
      »'Skerz: Infielders are free to wear whatever protection they want as well. ...
      »Vance+50: I don't pitch, not brave enough to stand that close. But I have ...
      »19: 'Skerz, thanks for making my point for me. Infielders are free to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: 19 ... The extra 20' from the Pitching distance (50') from home plate ...
      »16wood: Staff: The addl 20' you mention is not the entire issue... Most ...
      »taits: IMO the rational solution would be to do a 180* and return to the ...
      »bkb555: seems a pretty simple rule...if you pitch, you wear a mask...I play ...
      »UMBACH: SCREENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      »k man: I play in a 40+ night league - pitcher face mask mandatory, no ...
      »19: Any pitcher who is not approaching being at least 60' from the batter ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Or to paraphrase, we believe: Any pitcher who is not [wearing a ...
      »19: Any anybody who is overweight or has high blood pressure or is ...
      »DaveDowell: 19 ... Only if those health conditions can be linked to increasing ...
      »19: Dave, those guys will never say that. Otherwise they would not be ...
      »19: I wonder when middle-age and older men started losing so much pride.
      »Sparky.1: When they allowed "high-tech" equipment into the sports (a.k.a. Golf, ...
      »19: Sparky, A BIG reason why aluminum, and now composite, baseball ...
      »crusher: Hi tech single wall + 47/525 ball went out of park, pitchers got ...
      »19: Where is the pride??? :( I have nothing against masks for anyone ...
      »Sparky.1: Thanks for the compliment 19. Without the "high-tech Bats" and the ...
      »19: Sparky, you are welcome. I am sure your assessment of what would ...
      »Ray Ray 34: I agree with the SS USA staff. I have been playing super major ball ...
      »Sparky.1: Ray Ray 34.............Just what the heck is "SUPER MAJOR BALL"?
      »Omar Khayyam: Sparky, Super Major Ball is when a pipsqueak like me on the other ...
      »19: Omar, you're the best!!!
      »Sparky.1: I understand SUPER MAJOR BALL now Omar! It's simply a new ...
      »BruceinGa: Thanks Ray Ray. I'll define super major ball for those of you that ...
      »Sparky.1: So what you are telling everyone is that this "unknown" Super Major ...
      »dead weight: Does college hockey players complain about wearing a cage? Does the ...
      »BruceinGa: I'm sorry sparky, I thought you knew the name of the team. Superior
      »Omar Khayyam: Sparky, you've got it! All my life I played the equivalent of AA or ...
      »Sparky.1: Bruce.......The level you are talking about is in the vast "minority" ...
      »16wood: Bruce, you can lead a horse to water... Bruce tried to explain to ...
      »BruceinGa: Very well put Bob!
      »Sparky.1: Do you have any more "Bruce" fan club members?
      »Dbax: Awesome post Bob! We all knew what he was referring too. Sparky, I ...
      »Sparky.1: Back the truck up Dbax........You mean "Sponsors" can not post? ...
      »16wood: Dave, you know the old axiom... those who do the least want to be ...
      »Dbax: Post all you want. Just realize it means nothing.
      »19: Getting awfully chippy in here. Still my only point is masks are ...
      »Sparky.1: Simply an outstanding response Dbax!
      »16wood: 'Getting awfully chippy in here'... you think this is chippy? You ...
      »19: Gee thanks, I think..... Of course it should be a choice. Well, ...
      »Ray Ray 34: Did not intend to upset some on my post above. All I was trying to ...
      »OZ40: If it's stipulated that this board is expressly for players only then ...
      »swing for the fences : Hey Omar, I know who you are and your size.. I would love to see you ...
      »Dancer: I believe a pitcher only has .43 of a second to react to a hit (that ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Hey Swing, good to hear from you again. I hope to see you again in ...
      »swing for the fences : Ha, I thought the way you were talking you could do it at will ;-) I ...
      »Mango: SSUSA says SSUSA says "A not-so-short short history lesson may be ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Swing, I can't even hit singles "at will!" Anyway, a guy my size ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Mango, good points.
      »hitman: As a pitcher I was against the mask at first and then when it was ...
      »swing for the fences : Mango,, as far as the bat and ball combo... Einstien told me they ...
      »16wood: Swing: There was an LVSSA tourney in 2007 when a couple of balls ...
      »DCPete: In 2002 we were all using the 47/525 Dudley Red Thunder & the ...
      »16wood: Pete, I certainly agree that almost everyone could hit it out with ...
      »Mango: Swing SSUSA cant regulate hot bats as cheaters will always cheat. ...
      »DCPete: BW; sadly can't even remember what Senior association(s) we were ...
      »19: Mango, your "logic" has been used before and it just a weeeee bit ...
      »DaveDowell: 19 ... The Major+ rules set very closely mirrors the HR/DBO combo ...
      »tattooball: Variables is what it all comes down to. A .47/525 has less Severity ...
      »Mango: Dave I agree with you that strategy is not absurd and is definitely ...
      »B94: Actually Mango the Border Battle has only been played in a Stadium ...
      »B94: To add to the border battle analogy and to put this back on topic you ...
      »DOERBAUM: DANG IT KEVIN !! NOW YOU DONE WENT AN GOT THAT CONFOUNDED SCIENCE ...
      »Adiktiv6: The Best pitchers are the Smart pitchers, and the Smart pitchers are ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Adiktiv6, oh how I would like to believe that I am not only getting ...
88 March 17, 2016 2812

Rule 6:16 once more

» garyheifner: I posted the following and looks like it didn't go thru. Excuse me ...
      »B.J.: Gary, here is the amended rule ... 6.16 WIND OR ...
      »garyheifner: B.J That sounds correct, thanks
      »tall_thunder: When did this amended rule take place?? Had this problem in February ...
      »B94: TOC is played under 2015 rules. The amendment to the rule is for 2106 ...
4 March 14, 2016 435

The new sun rule 6.16

» garyheifner: Under the new rule: If batter requests pitcher to move, Ump and TD ...
      »B.J.: this is the amendment made for the EFFECT of rule 6.16 in Dec ...
      »garyheifner: Thanks for the reply
      »Player: Gary, you play the outfield - or did (LOL). So, what about a rule ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The actual complete language of the amended Rulebook 6.16 is in the ...
      »garyheifner: I like where this is going. How about, any ball hit where the ...
      »B.J.: 6.16 WIND OR SUN AFFECTING BOTH PITCHERS.....EFFECT: Softball is an ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. - Please re-read this provision in the complete Rulebook ...
      »RIK56: As a pitcher i think this is a bad rule,you are telling the pitcher ...
      »NYGNYY: Not sure if there is a right or wrong answer here. However I do ...
      »titanhd: I tend to agree with NYGNYY.This is a clumsy attempt to rectify a ...
      »Bballer3: Not too sure about this rule. Right handed batter states he can't ...
      »19: Why does senior softball insist on making a mockery of a game we all ...
      »BruceinGa: I agree with titanhd and NYGNYY, the tournament staff and director ...
      »nails: there is no need to protect the batter, just a useless rule, . Now if ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Protecting the pitcher is already addressed in the same rule, calling ...
      »B.J.: STAFF...Thx. for the explanations...IMO the rule didn't need to be ...
      »k man: Since games are timed, will there be a stoppage of time in order to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Whether or not to stop running time will be an umpire's judgment, ...
      »garyheifner: Moving a pitcher into the area of a pull hitter does bring up a good ...
      »16wood: We played in Hemet, CA, 2 weeks ago (SCSSA) and played 2 early AM ...
      »tall_thunder: When was this sun rule amended. We had this problem in Florida during ...
      »Dbax: This is a 2016 rule. TOC was played under 2015 rules.
22 March 13, 2016 1303

Throwing the glove during a play.

» Rock25: Saw the previous discussion on this topic, but did not see any ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The glove, in the hypothetical given, must make contact with the ball ...
1 March 11, 2016 352

Distance between pitching rubber and plate

» balco: What is the correct distance between the front of the pitching rubber ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The official SSUSA pitching distance is 50' from the rear point of ...
1 March 11, 2016 398

legal age

» VOODOOSPORTS: I have been told two different things regarding age. A friend turns ...
      »SSUSA Staff: YES A player's age is determined by whatever age (s)he attains ...
      »JackZ_SLC: Good to hear. At one time was it not the rule that the player had to ...
      »DoubleL10: JackZ_SLC based on my personal experience that has not been the case ...
3 March 2, 2016 586
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SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE 2015 Annual Meeting Minutes

» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2015 SSUSA ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We have published the final version of the rules changes, new rules, ...
1 March 1, 2016 3709

Thrown Glove Makes Contact with Batted Ball

» SCUBA: The left center fielder throws his glove and it makes contact with a ...
      »Rick35: Dead ball...runner awards an extra base, hence home. (run scored and ...
      »Clean Up: Throwing a glove at a ball during a game!! How old are thes ...
      »stever: If a batted ball is contacted by a thrown glove all runners are ...
      »SCUBA: Gentlemen, I appreciate your responses. I really do. But no one has ...
      »SSUSA Staff: THE CALL: If the tag was made on the batter-runner, he is awarded 3rd ...
5 Feb. 27, 2016 799

Sno Bird

» roach: What are the rules of Sno Bird
      »wagon487: https://seniorsoftball.com/forms/form_region_chg.pdf
      »SSUSA Staff: General Snowbird Rules ... Snowbird card has one year term and ...
2 Feb. 20, 2016 320

Intentional walk rule

» jackbrun: According to the rules, is it permissible for a batter to refuse an ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We can't speak with authority to the ASA rule, but in SSUSA there is ...
      »BruceinGa: I am curious, why do you ask this? Have you witnessed this in local ...
      »jackbrun: Bruce - In a local open league, there is a player that has verbally ...
      »BruceinGa: Wow, the umpire needs to take control of the game! If he doesn't, ...
      »spoonplugger: His team should straighten him out or get rid of him.
      »Fabe: Wow! To let an individual player to have that much influence can be ...
      »taits: i'd walk him on gereral principals if nothing more. Perhaps he can't ...
      »Q19: In our SENIOR leagues here in Sacramento (SPSSC & GSSCS), every team ...
      »Q19: Hey "jackbrun", does this "meanie" play on the SENIOR tournament ...
      »OZ40: Sounds to me like a time bomb waiting to really go off. Why so much ...
      »stick8: Good points Oz. Just play ball and whatever happens, ...
      »neck10: stick thaats why we don't let you um in traverse city lol drink a ...
      »neck10: ump
      »neck10: I hit a pitcher in the fore head once in league play about 12yrs ago ...
      »joel 1975: you should never walk anyone in league play unless it set's up force ...
      »BruceinGa: I've lead our league in walks for many seasons. It was never a big ...
      »Fred S: Joel: Everything being equal I agree. But when you got studs ...
      »Omar Khayyam: In our senior league, intentional walks are not allowed, even to fill ...
      »Turbo 34: I think the biggest reason players hate to walk in league games is ...
      »jackbrun: Q19 - this player is not a senior player. He plays on an open ...
      »OZ40: Another option is to make the pitching screen optional in the league. ...
      »Fred S: What we have done is to walk a batter you have to have one strike on ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Good idea, Fred, but it won't work in this particular situation where ...
      »Katzy63: I've personally umpired Jackbrun during a couple of these games with ...
      »garyheifner: Possibly have the pitcher go back to the 60' line. Launch the ball ...
      »jackbrun: Gary - Great idea but the league rules makes the pitcher pitch from ...
      »lewis: Jackbrun have your pitcher roll the ball across the plate
      »k man: I know this is a longshot but maybe before you play the next game you ...
      »jackbrun: It has been determined that he cannot refuse an intentional walk. ...
29 Feb. 18, 2016 1477

ASA Playing Rules for Seniors

» SB-Bill: My Senior League does not separate players by age so we have local ...
      »BruceinGa: You may want to look at the ASA rulebook.
1 Feb. 18, 2016 287

Sliding into first base

» Randall: Is sliding into first base legal in SSUSA?
      »swing for the fences : yep
      »SSUSA Staff: ONLY when returning to 1st base after having legally acquired it ... ...
      »lb16: Might I ask why it's an out? Other than it's in the rule book.
      »SSUSA Staff: There is no need to slide into 1st base or Home plate (same rule ...
      »OZ40: Initially sliding into a base was to SLOW the runner so that they ...
      »16wood: Some runners slide/slid (present/past) into 1B in order to avoid a ...
      »TM44: I think the reason for sliding into first is a safety issue. When I ...
      »So Cal Z: I have a hard time with this one, last year at worlds we were knocked ...
8 Feb. 16, 2016 786

Foul tip caught by catcher

» Randall: On the message board I found discussion on this topic, but the last ...
      »B.J.: basically yes it has to have loft....a caught foul tip is just ...
      »mad dog: randall....if the ball DOES NOT go straight back to the catcher...it ...
      »T.C.Sr.: Straight from the Senior Softball USA rule book. 1.29 - Foul ...
      »Randall: I believe that T.C. Sr. has the proper ruling. That is that it would ...
      »mad dog: rule book wrong......???????......ASA it is anything but a straight ...
      »B.J.: Ranall this is not a USSSA site..or an ASA site...it is a SSUSA ...
      »Randall: I inadvertently listed the USSSA, but I intended to list SSUSA.
      »DCPete: What about this scenario, which recently happened in a tournament; ...
      »B.J.: the umpire is considered to be part of the field....and is treated as ...
      »tg69: umpire is in foul territory
      »DCPete: In the same game, a ground ball between 1st & 2nd hit the base umpire ...
      »B.J.: DC.....yes
12 Feb. 6, 2016 1322

illegally batted ball

» 1jonsey: STAFF 7.6 BATTER IS OUT E. When the batter bunts or chops the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: YES ... The out is imposed for the attempt to bat the ball in that ...
      »curveball: Didn't know about the "full swing" part of the rule. There is a fair ...
      »cuda65: We had a left hand batter with great speed often take a half or three ...
      »DoubleL10: I don't think the rule means you have to swing from the heels...I've ...
      »mad dog: larry your right about the swing speed......it just has to be a full ...
      »curveball: Bob, full swing is the length of the swing, not the speed and ...
      »mad dog: yes robbie....as long as the swing is full.....doesn't matter how ...
      »curveball: Agreed. I was confused on the meaning of "full" swing. Think I got ...
      »stick8: Jonsey, any bunt, chop or not taking a full swing that results in a ...
      »Duke: Whether a ball is hit with a full swing, half swing, or 3/4 swing, ...
10 Jan. 27, 2016 920

Double Force Out at the Plate

» Craig21: We had a play occur in our senior softball game last Thursday which I ...
      »mad dog: call apply's to both once the second runner has gone past the ...
      »stick8: Craig, obviously the first runner, I'll call player A, is out. If the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We concur ... Double play
      »B.J.: I think it's time to get a new 3rd base coach...lol
      »BruceinGa: I like B.J.'s reply!
      »Bill B: The Rule is from what I've been told over and over. If a play like ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Bill B - We respectfully disagree. This hypothetical circumstance is ...
7 Jan. 9, 2016 723
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