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Forfeit or not?» Willy8: At the Winter Nationals this past November, our team was playing a ...»SSUSA Staff: Willy8 ... What age/division and the names of the teams involved? ... »Willy8: SSUSA...CC Medical Services vs. Vios in the 70 AAA. The score was ... »SSUSA Staff: Willy8 ... We have looked at both the actual game card and the ... »Willy8: SSUSA...My main point in the runs against is if that without that one ... »SSUSA Staff: Unless, of course, you put up another dozen or so runs in the ... »Omar Khayyam: Here is another recent scenario where it wasn't technically a forfeit ... |
6 | Feb. 4, 2018 | 1065 |
infield fly rule» Jinx: Bases loaded, no outs and an easily caught pop up is hit to the ...»Rick35: Infield fly...dead ball and the batter is out. »coop3636: The umpire should have called "infield fly IF fair" once it hits the ... »DaveDowell: coop3636 gets to the correct ruling, but through slightly flawed ... »DieselDan: Some rec leagues call a dead ball strike when the net is hit. Some ... »coop3636: Hey In our league it is a foul ball, if it is the 3rd strike, you ... »DieselDan: You must be a good defensive pitcher Coop. »coop3636: I'll leave that opinion to others I just know I am just crazy enough ... »k man: Just curious from anyone who pitches. Did you notice any difference ... »stick8: Jinx, on the play you described the ump called infield fly before the ... |
9 | Feb. 4, 2018 | 667 |
1-1 or 0-0 Count» Bob S.: I notice from the survey that the older age groups prefer starting ...»GI: Sounds reasonable to me . have 65 and under start 1-1 and every 5 ... »OZ40: I suggested that very concept the last time this topic was threaded ... »swing for the fences : Seems to me the older age groups get to their positions on the field ... »titanhd: I think to make a valid comparison of weather 1-1 speeds up the games ... »OZ40: titanhd-unless every team in the tournament took the exact same ... »r4pitch: 1-1 speeds up games...most have played this way for 15 years ..we go ... »Garocket: I think titanhd has a good idea. play a few of the early tournaments ... »Garocket: Sorry that's 80 % of the pool games get 7 innings. »titanhd: OZ40. You are correct NO TWO GAMES ARE ALIKE and they won't be ... »Bob S.: To me, the issue isn't just about whether the game will go faster. I ... »OZ40: titanhd-absolutely correct there is no predicting what team, what ... »OZ40: Sorry the above line should read: That is no reason to change a ... »r4pitch: to bob s the hitters have senior bats ....the hottest on market ... »SSUSA Staff: REMINDER Time is getting short for those who may wish to have their ... »txnighttrain: Can you put out the email to the National Rules Committee. I would ... »DaveDowell: Email to: info@seniorsoftball.com with "Rules Committee" in the ... »The Screamer5: To me the purpose of going to a 1-1 count isn't to speed the game up ... »yerwombat: Doesn't throwing strikes really resolve all these issues »OZ40: yerwombat- AMEN! As much as this subject has been beaten to death for ... »mck71: OZ40, I have refrained from comment on this because I voted and ... »OZ40: mck71-Good points, and I too have voted in the survey, that said what ... »The Screamer5: It will ALWAYS be a "hitter's" game. That will never change. Last I ... »OZ40: It's a hitters game---I've heard that old saw for over half of a ... »Crusher23: A few observations to stir the pot, as I had lots of time on my hands ... »OZ40: Well said Crusher. As far as pitchers go, every team has one pitcher ... »Crusher23: OZ, you and I are on the same page about a lot of things. I've read ... »OZ40: Although we qualified for that, we are not going this year. Just ... »desertlady: From the this lady's view: I just returned from the tournament in ... »SSUSA Staff: desertlady ... That ship sailed about a month ago for the 2018 Season ... |
29 | Feb. 3, 2018 | 2008 |
PRIORITY: SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE 2017 Annual Meeting Minutes» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2017 SSUSA ...»SSUSA Staff: TECHNICAL RULE BOOK LANGUAGE AMENDMENTS (Rev. 12/15/2017) Redline ... »SSUSA Staff: SSUSA RULES COMMITTEE "SPECIAL MEETING" MINUTES January 9, ... »SSUSA Staff: SUMMARY OF SIGNIFICANT RULES CHANGES 2018 Season The link below ... |
3 | Jan. 28, 2018 | 3467 |
offensive interference» roco36: Today I was playing the short field position (eleventh player on the ...»B.J.: roco36.. it's a tough call without actually seeing the play.. ... »SSUSA Staff: Roco36 ... Not necessarily! The first thing that must be judged by ... »roco36: There was no ruling by a somewhat inexperienced umpire. He let the ... »SSUSA Staff: Roco36 ... As B.J. inferred, it's tough to make a "paper ruling" not ... |
4 | Jan. 27, 2018 | 565 |
Runner leaving Base Early» baseballbill: Dave: Is before the Pitched Ball reaches Home Plate the same as the ...»B.J.: no... the ball must be hit, make contact with the plate or ground or ... »DaveDowell: B.J. is pretty close ... A base runner may leave the base after the ... »baseballbill: our problem is: runner leaves on the swing and batter misses the ... »DaveDowell: baseballbill ... The runner should be called out by rule ... »k man: Sounds like baseballbill wants to know if the ball 'breaks the plane' ... »mck71: as an umpire baseballbill, the simple answer is "no" (not runners ... »DaveDowell: k man .. I read it (several times) as the dissenter(s) wanting a ... »B.J.: Dave, what I meant by being caught in the air... would be a deep ... »AncientOne: Dave, you confuse me. In the post where you site the rule, you say ... »DaveDowell: That was pretty ambiguous and a poorly worded response! ... Here's ... »mck71: AncientOne: my response was to the "swing and miss" post. IF the ... »Turbobob: In our 60 plus local senior league, we enforce the rule as stated in ... »baseballbill: Turbobob: Your league is modifying the rule. There is a slight ... »DaveDowell: Turbobob ...We would disagree that "..There is absolutely nothing to ... »marcster13: Geez. All the mentioning of "swing n miss" here has me scratching my ... |
15 | Jan. 26, 2018 | 913 |
Base runner leaving early» baseballbill: What is the rule definition,I can not find it in the Rule Book ???»DaveDowell: Rule Book §6.13 NO PITCH (on pages 36-37) No pitch shall be ... »baseballbill: Thanks Dave !!! |
2 | Jan. 22, 2018 | 491 |
first baseman charging the plate during delivery of the pitch» Randall: I couldn't believe I was watching this happen, but it was an obvious ...»lb16: Yes it should be called as defensive interference batter should get ... »lb16: I should also add this would all be if in umpire's judgement ... »HAT MAN: No such rule. We had a 5 man play to that right and 10 feet in front ... »SSUSA Staff: lb16 and HAT MAN ... It appears you have two separate hypothetical ... »lb16: SSUSA Staff yes I was referring to Randall's situation. Don't know ... »B.J.: Ib16, it could be that he just read your post wrong..I know I have ... »rightrj1: Staff, Why is distracting or trying to distract a batter considered ... »marcster13: Is the catcher considered a "fielder"? I ask because often catchers ... »DaveDowell: rightjr1 and marcster13 ... The rule has it's background a long time ... »HAT MAN: Lb16 I don't know why people like you know it all and anyone else who ... »lb16: HAT MAN, no I don't know it all never have claimed to. I gave a ... »DaveDowell: OK, that's enough ... TWO distinct hypothetical situations here ... ... |
12 | Jan. 20, 2018 | 1335 |
Base Runner in jeopardy or not?» Steve in Tucson: This situation came up in a game toady. The batter swung and missed ...»rlspls1974: See rule 7.4B For each legally pitched ball swung at and missed by ... »grayhitter59: Nice play by the catcher, way to be in the game. Except for one ... »stick8: To my knowledge, in all of senior softball any swing and miss by the ... |
3 | Jan. 18, 2018 | 708 |
Thoughts on new Courtesy Runner rule» marcster13: I like the new Courtesy Runner rule. It should help keep the game ...»SSUSA Staff: marcster13 ... The "new" Courtesy Runner rule isn't all that complex ... »marcster13: Ahhhhhhhhh okay. Totally different than what I thought it was. Not ... »DaveDowell: Nope ... The goal is to have the next batter's at-bat start ... |
3 | Jan. 16, 2018 | 880 |
umpire interference» roco36: A base path umpire interfered with our second baseman as he attempted ...»DaveDowell: This isn't specifically covered in the SSUSA Rule Book, but here's an ... »B.J.: roco... well the HP umpire got it 1/2 right.. the umpire is ... »DaveDowell: B.J. ... I would propose that the HP umpire got it completely right ... »B.J.: Dave, you are correct, I mis-read the OP and then your explanation ... »DaveDowell: B.J. - The absolutely most accurate part of any of the replies was ... »roco36: Thanks for your comments. The umpire did not fall over laughing ... |
6 | Jan. 14, 2018 | 648 |
Today's Big Vote» NYGNYY: Sometime today we should hear about the rules committee's big ...»DaveDowell: NYGNYY ... May be time for a "gut check" ... You'd be very surprised ... »DaveDowell: NYGNYY ... I'll "see" your $5 and a Pork Sandwich and "raise" you $5 ... »NYGNYY: Dave thanks for keeping this lively. I for one was opposed to the ... »B.J.: NYGNYY... i googled it...lol electoral fraud... I like the buying ... »DaveDowell: That's hilarious, NYGNYY and B.J. ... Thanks for the education on the ... |
5 | Jan. 10, 2018 | 1033 |
Player Ejection» SCUBA: What is the penalty to a player ejected during a tournament? Those ...»SSUSA Staff: In SSUSA sanctioned tournament play, any further penalty beyond the ... »B.J.: even for league play it's usually the same as Dave described ... »JimmyG: In leagues I have played in, it is usually a minimum of current game ... »txnighttrain: What about a guy that makes physical contact with an umpire that ... »B.J.: I assume you mean during a disagreement with a call.. the player ... »marcster13: Last year in Palm Springs 40's a play shoved an umpire. The umpire ... |
6 | Dec. 30, 2017 | 1096 |
"1-1" Count Member Preference Survey Completed» SSUSA Staff: The Member Preference Survey closed as of midnight Monday (12/18/17) ...»SSUSA Staff: SURVEY RESULTS SYNOPSIS Invited to Participate ► 22,877 ... |
1 | Dec. 20, 2017 | 1926 |
morning sunrise» youngen: so here's the situation. early morning game. sun at pitchers back. ...»Chief144: There was a SSUSA rule allowing this to happen in 2016. The rule was ... »B.J.: no suspension of play if sun is in the batters eyes... below is the ... »SSUSA Staff: youngen ... The simple answer is the umpire invoked his own rule in ... »stick8: I vividly recall ssusa worlds a few years ago playing an 8am 50 major ... »DaveDowell: stick8 ... The Sun affecting the FIELDERS' vision IS a safety issue ... »youngen: So if I understand the comments here the only official allowable ... »SSUSA Staff: youngen ... YES, as it relates to SSUSA sanctioned tournament play ... |
7 | Dec. 14, 2017 | 900 |
1 and 1 count» rock21: With time limits per game, how about speeding up games by batters ...»ffdonnie: Only if it comes with, no extra foul ball. That makes it worthless. I ... »B.J.: or how about having your pitcher throw more 1st pitch strikes...I ... »r4pitch: Please 1-1 count with a foul ...Anyone under65 played this the last ... »Crusher23: It would seem to me that more first pitch strikes would solve the ... »r4pitch: Not really ....1-1 count is used everywhere but senior ball why..... »marcster13: 1 n 1 no foul was used in 2017 40's as a one year trial. People ... »DaveDowell: marcster ... The "1-1/no waste foul" trial for the 40-Masters ... »titanhd: Played in Naples at winter worlds.I watched the 40's play. The 1-1 ... »Jawood: How can a 1-1 count NOT speed up the game? Wouldn't it be ... »r4pitch: 1-1 count does speed up the games trying to get more than 5 innings ... »titanhd: Not sure what the 40's "not using a foul" statement implied.Logically ... »stattad: Just played a non-SSUSA tournament with a 1-1 count. I was not a fan ... »DaveDowell: titanhd ... Not sure which tourney you observed without a 7-inning ... »Jawood: Limit the pitcher to one warm up pitch at the start of the inning. ... »HAT MAN: 1 and 1 should stay. We won it at winter worlds and played all 7 ... »marcster13: Dave- Sorry, I read "season 2017" as just the playing season of 2017 ... »DaveDowell: markster13 ... You read it right ... The Rules Committee meets after ... »OZ40: Every year we beat this dead horse. Speaking as an umpire and player ... »r4pitch: OZ40 completely untrue 1-1 speeds up play ...as a pitcher i never ... »NYGNYY: Looking at the posts it looks like if you're a pitcher---your all for ... »Jawood: OZ40, The things you speak of that slow the game down are true but ... »Crusher23: More observations on pace of play: I'm pretty sure that in general ... »bond_171513: Couldn't agree more with Crusher. At the least, the CR should not be ... »Jon44: Totally agree with crusher23 on the courtesy runner abuse. With that ... »garyheifner: PLEASE pass the 1-1. I am an outfielder. But, looks like I might be ... »OZ40: I have umpired U-Trip at the time they changed from a full count ... »genwa1: Missing from this discussion is any data collection. Numerous causes ... »DCPete: Come on now, it's simple math & numbers can't lie. With the 0 - 0 ... »Jawood: I would definitely agree with the suggestion of one courtesy runner ... »genwa1: Ok DCPete: Please give me these simple math and numbers: How many ... »Omar Khayyam: genwa1 makes a good point. On my 16 man roster team, only 2 men will ... »DCPete: Genwa; there can be no study, actual or otherwise, that could prove ... »ChiPrimeMarty: Many good points were made in this thread, but I agree with BCPete. ... »L.Martin: I agree with the multiple courtesy per inning slowing down the game, ... »The real deal: Does the 1 and 1 count speed up games? Probably a little. But it ... »BruceinGa: So, what I your goal? As a player, what is your goal? Is it to make ... »DaveDowell: L.Martin ... "defiantly"? ... Pretty funny, but I would have maybe ... »BruceinGa: Dave, I was just wondering the "real" reason/s by those wanting the ... »RIK56: Bruce my reason is i get more foul outs with 1-1 then with a full ... »DaveDowell: BruceinGa ... There are a lot of "real" reasons, depending, in my ... »Jawood: Math was never my best subject in school but 58 for 58 seems like a ... »Rainmans: Every year this topic comes up the never ending story (death and ... »NYGNYY: I agree with Rainmans. For all of you wanting 1 & 1, for all your ... »SSUSA Staff: This is from a post following the most recent "1-1 count" member ... »Jawood: NYGNYY, It looks like I may be the same age as you and played with ... »Jon44: Seen spirited arguments for it and against the 1-1 count in this ... »DaveDowell: Jon44 ... the "1-1/NO waste foul" was a year-long trial in ALL ... »Jon44: Fingers-crossed it passes... thanks for the clarification. »HAT MAN: I vote 1 an 1 count. Played all year and never played less then 7 ... »Jawood: Forget the 2nd place hat altogether! If you're not first, you're last ... »BruceinGa: Rainmans, my solution is one pitch! Games would last about 30 ... »HAT MAN: Thank you SSUSA for keeping the 1 and 1 count for 40s. I do think ... »DaveDowell: Vinny ... We're still evaluating the potential for expanding the ... »Jawood: Tabled again? Really? Excellent explanation from HAT MAN! |
54 | Dec. 2, 2017 | 2979 |
GLOVES/MITTS» B.J.: Staff, I'm confused on the below new glove/mitt rule.. first it ...»DaveDowell: B.J. ... The redline text is NEW language and the strikeout text is ... »HAT MAN: I think for fun a team should show up to play one game and all 10 ... »DieselDan: I run faster for gap shots or pop ups without the glove. Then I get ... »DaveDowell: Vinny ... One of the earliest 40-Masters teams when the 40's program ... »B.J.: Dave, lol... I'm gonna have to get my reading glasses checked.. I ... |
5 | Dec. 2, 2017 | 875 |
foul ball out» local: On a "must be fair" foul ball, how can a runner advance if the ball ...»B.J.: in SSUSA it is a live ball out just like a fair ball fly out.. many ... |
1 | Dec. 1, 2017 | 684 |
75+ roster question» Larry S: SPA rule allows : Players on Mens 75+ Major Plus, Major, and AAA ...»SSUSA Staff: SSUSA Rules do NOT allow for out-of-region players for the 75+ age ... |
1 | Nov. 20, 2017 | 457 |
Looking for a simple answer to adding or substituting players» Boro: Let's say your team shows up short 1 player. Where does this ...»Duke: In my leagues, the majority of teams/players do not care who you have ... »Turbobob: In our 60 plus league, we normally play with 11 players. Show up ... »Omar Khayyam: In our Saturday league, the focus is to have a fun competition. ... |
3 | Nov. 18, 2017 | 567 |
