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» hurdler52: What is the ruling on a play where the first baseman steps on the ...
      »coop3636: This question needs more information to be answered correctly. If it ...
      »BruceinGa: Coop, you answered that just like you were a first baseman! ;)
      »SSUSA Staff: coop3636 did a good analysis ... Here are two simple general rules to ...
      »hurdler52: Thank you, now let me add a twist. The batter/base runner fails to ...
      »coop3636: Bruce, I am just a coach that likes to know the rules. It comes in ...
      »B.J.: hurdler...the B/R "IS" allowed to miss 1st base if he is avoiding a ...
      »coop3636: BJ I won't argue that the ump will make the safe call (I don't ...
      »B.J.: coop....I'm 100% sure...the defense can only appeal before the runner ...
      »Garocket: Coop better look that on up cause you are wrong. The runner his ...
      »Garocket: In the above the R! went to third Sorry
      »coop3636: BJ.. Rule 1.1 on page 19 says: " AN appeal play is a play on which ...
      »B.J.: coop, and for 99% of appeals that is correct...but with a B/R ...
      »coop3636: I disagree, but will wait until SSUSA puts in their opinion.
      »stick8: Hurdler in your scenario the umpire calls the runner safe. But if the ...
      »Mango: So what happens if the batter runner steps right in the middle of ...
      »B.J.: B/R is allowed the safety bag and only the safety bag...so if he ...
      »B.J.: Dave, can you answer the above question of coop and I...whether the ...
      »coop3636: BJ You are wrong, again..lol If the runner hits ANY part of the ...
      »DieselDan: Since cooper3636 typed the rules that stated the appeal has to be ...
      »B.J.: coop...if im wrong??? it certainly wont be the 1st time...in fact my ...
      »DaveDowell: Here's the current formula: 800-mile Road trip to Phoenix + 210-team ...
      »stick8: Mango, the way you word it in your scenario I have the runner ...
      »Mango: Stick, thank you. It was another great competitive tournament! And ...
      »k man: our local 60+ league says runner 'may only' touch orange bag in which ...
      »Davy: One more twist. it happened to me. Big first baseman comes off bag ...
      »SSUSA Staff: You're whatever the umpire called ... It's a JUDGMENT CALL not ...
      »stick8: Totally understand your point Mango. Maybe this has been tried or ...
      »DaveDowell: I think there will be somewhere around a 0.04% of softball facilities ...
      »stick8: Dave, a line would work too!!
      »mck71: Great idea Dave, like the line but that would add another element to ...
      »DieselDan: The line at first would have arguments like at home when there is ...
      »k man: I agree with Dan, in a 1 umpire system it would be a nightmare of ...
      »B.J.: Dave, I was wondering if you had time to research the appeal ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. and coop3636 ... Here's a bit of a diplomatic response, but you ...
      »B.J.: Dave.. your answer below on a DBA is confusing when you say an appeal ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. - NO ... The Dead Ball Appeal is available to the defense before ...
      »B.J.: Since the SSUSA rule book does not really cover specific appeals I ...
      »surf88: Dear Dave, I would like clarification on a play that occurred at ...
38 Dec. 1, 2016 1481

RULEING ON PLAY

» doyle: RUNNER STOPS AT THE LINE BETWEEN BETWEEN ,3RD AND HOME, PITCHER HAS ...
      »Fred S: First question would be at what point did he tag him. Before he step ...
      »taits: I'd say the line is considered same as is the batters box issue, on ...
      »doyle: HE STEPED OVER THE LINE AS THE PITCHER REACHED OVER TO TAG HIM,THEN ...
      »doyle: THE PITCHER THREW THE BALL TO THE CATCHER STANDING ON HOME PLATE
      »B.J.: once the runners foot is down on or across the line he cannot be ...
      »taits: If no touch line or plate, I'd say, out. as you wrote this ...
      »taits: BJ, good point.
      »Fred S: According to rule 13.8(3) B.J. is right if he was tagged after his ...
      »coop3636: BJ is correct..batter is safe, run scores And ball is live at that ...
      »titanhd: If I am correct. No matter when runners foot hit the ground. Runner ...
      »JohnBob: looks like runner would have to touch scoring plate to be safe. If he ...
      »titanhd: runner is automatically safe if tagged at home plate.
      »k man: Once runner touches commitment line or beyond and is then tagged ...
      »k man: taits, not gaits
      »stick8: I believe the intent of the rule is to make sure there is no obstacle ...
      »DieselDan: I am the runner who Doyle is referring too. I intentionally stopped ...
      »stick8: DieselDan by baiting the fielder to tag you that was quite the heads ...
      »DieselDan: I first saw that same play at Vegas in Sept. with a Scrap Iron team. ...
18 Nov. 21, 2016 727

BATTERS BOX

» 1jonsey: After hitting the ball, when is a runner considered to be out of the ...
      »HAT MAN: your question needs re wording I think. After hitting or making ...
      »SSUSA Staff: "..After hitting the ball..", we would presume he is out of the box ...
      »paul0784: It was happening whole tournament in Florida and not being called and ...
      »1jonsey: The batter is in the box but he tops the ball out in front of home ...
      »Garocket: If any part of his body (usually the foot)touches the ball while the ...
      »taits: Not having a current book and too lazy to read the inhere, i's guess? ...
      »1jonsey: Garocket, so are you saying that if he has 1 foot out of the box and ...
      »k man: We had a situation in FL where the batter hit a very slow roller ...
      »Garocket: If t he foot that touches the ball and the ball and foot is outside ...
      »Garocket: Just found this on a baseball site, would assume it would be the sam ...
      »HAT MAN: Does anyone know how many major guys can be on a AAA team and stay ...
      »B94: HM pretty sure the magic number is 3...
      »taits: Correct..... BUT..... if any one or more player(s) has player M+ in ...
      »HAT MAN: Taits Thanks, it was more for knoledge than action. Trying to build ...
      »taits: Your welcome. Should be in the rule book on here. Maybe too in ...
15 Nov. 16, 2016 810

EH & DH ??????

» 17Black: I overheard a couple of guys at Florida tournament last week (FYI we ...
      »B.J.: NO if he is in the line up he must bat...
      »k man: 17Black - our senior league allows a team to have 1 person play the ...
      »HAT MAN: only thing I have seen was an ADA rule. The player was their pitcher ...
      »taits: Page 25 for this years rules.
      »Fred S: I believe you can get around it by using pinch hitting for him twice ...
      »paul0784: Fred you as a pinch hitter can only bat once in that role. The second ...
      »Fred S: Paul0784:No. Rule only states that I can't be in the lineup and I ...
      »Jawood: A couple of years ago there was a discussion (on the website) to ...
8 Nov. 11, 2016 750

injured player

» B.J.: Dave, can I get a ruling on the injured player ...
      »taits: From what I remember: he is at bat from how I read this and get ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. ... Tough circumstance to be in, but we would rule that he is ...
      »Gavin5: Knowing the current at bat will result in an out, would it be ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Gavin5 ... With the luxury of "20-20 hindsight", that's probably the ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Saw an older player break his hip on his swing. He was sprawled ...
      »Mulewhipper: SSUSA Staff...what are the rules if player is ejected? Just ...
      »SSUSA Staff: If the player is ejected and there is no substitute available, his ...
      »stick8: Unless a sub is available replace an ejected player it's an out each ...
      »Mulewhipper: lol Staff...thanks.
      »DaveDowell: You were just looking for a "Get Out of Jail Free" card ... Nice try!
10 Nov. 8, 2016 1054

Is it a catch?

» Webbie25: The batter hits a long fly ball to the fence. The outfielder leaps up ...
      »B.J.: since the fielder had the glove in the proper place at the start of ...
      »Webbie25: I think it is a catch also, but I cannot find anything to cover it, ...
      »softball4b: Had to be someone other than yourself unless it was a 4 ft fence. ...
      »DMac: When I was umping in So Cal, the player had to voluntarily release ...
      »swing for the fences : It's a catch! The outfielder did not throw his glove but had it ...
      »taits: Could be had no control of ball, no catch. You have to see it to know ...
      »B.J.: taits....the op said that while lying on the ground he caught the ...
      »stick8: Sounds like a legal catch but I'd have to see the play to make a ...
      »taits: BJ, I missed that you are correct. I stoped at the end of the 1st ...
      »Joncon: """When I was umping in So Cal, the player had to voluntarily release ...
10 Nov. 2, 2016 900

rule clarification II

» stick8: Kind of an easy one but here it goes: A4 is on third, A3 is on ...
      »Garocket: Not as easy as you might think Rule If a batter bats out of ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Had a similar situation in a tournament recently, but I suspect it is ...
      »B.J.: Garocket....you are correct about the runner who scored going back to ...
      »k man: BJ, if that's the case then the defensive team might be better off ...
      »Garocket: B.J. Do you really think I am that smart LOL I copied and pasted ...
      »Garocket: Retraction I also found another rule that says all runners return to ...
      »Garocket: BUT This is what I found on an ASA site COMMONLY OCCURRING ASA ...
      »B.J.: Garocket....I see what you are saying...earlier after I posted my ...
      »Garocket: But still in limbo, because SSUSA does not say what to do about any ...
      »B.J.: yes, and that's what I always do but even their rule doesn't ...
      »stick8: After checking with the on-line SSUSA rule book three things are for ...
      »B.J.: stick.....first of all great scenario...I asked about 10 tournament ...
      »stick8: BJ that would be the conventional wisdom. However, it does need to be ...
13 Oct. 31, 2016 644

Running up ????

» garyheifner: What is "exactly" RUNNING UP IN THE BOX? Many hitters, especially ...
      »BruceinGa: Depending on the pitcher I will "run up". If he throws deep I start ...
      »B.J.: gary, no its not like girl left handed batters....I see more right ...
      »bkb555: 90-95% of the fields we play on have NO batter's box....we used to ...
      »B94: I still think the easiest way is to word the rule to say the batter ...
4 Oct. 31, 2016 681

Is it a strike if ball hits front edge of strike mat and also kicks up some dirt?

» Turbobob: Our senior league uses the official strike mat as stated in the ...
      »k man: Turbo, you yourself said: ball hits the front edge of the mat. ...
      »Turbobob: k man, so you are saying that even if the ball hits the front of the ...
      »k man: just my opinion based on how I've seen things called over the years. ...
      »OZ40: As long as the arc requirement is met it seems that the upper edge of ...
      »The Screamer5: As an umpire, I get hear this ALL the time. Batters complain that ...
      »k man: btw, shouldn't be any different than if it hits the side edge or the ...
      »neck10: but just think if the ball bounds upward and back toward pitcher then ...
      »Dancer: We call it a cheap strike, but still a strike. and most likely the ...
      »Don5: In 2017 they will be using square spongy balls, much like the stote ...
      »Don5: Yes I used the word "muck" that wasn't a typo, most of you will ...
      »garyheifner: Have had the post happen many times. Quite often, the ump has ruled ...
      »patrick jt: did someone strike out
      »Turbobob: Thanks for all of your input, which is what I asked for. I believe ...
      »Boom Boom 1: If the ball bounces up and never crosses the plate isn't that a ball? ...
      »B94: If you are using a one inch thick piece of wood as a plate it should ...
      »DaveDowell: Boom Boom 1 In SSUSA sanctioned events, a pitched ball must only ...
      »DieselDan: Having the dirt in front of the plate cleared away periodically might ...
      »Bobby Buggs: I hate those front edge ankle biters. Being new to the Senior game ...
      »JT25: I wish SSUSA would go to a 1 inch wood strike mat because when the ...
      »taits: Where you guys living, in the twilight zone. A strike is a strike ...
      »bkb555: JT....if you put a 1 inch strike mat for a strike, you KNOW somebody ...
      »Omar Khayyam: bkb555, seems like that would be the case, doesn't it? We have been ...
22 Oct. 29, 2016 1802

1-1-----0-0 count

» garyheifner: Staff We have beat this topic to death and then eliminated it from ...
      »Fred S: I like that better than 1-1. It still gives 2 pitches to fool around ...
      »SS13: I think anything is better than 0-0. I would try that for sure.
      »Omar Khayyam: As a pitcher, I like gary's suggestion. I have not been a fan of ...
      »southpaw: As a pitcher, I like this idea as well. After all, we are throwing ...
      »17Black: I am open to all ideas' not sure about the 8 inning games ...
      »k man: 17Black- regarding the outfielders, of which I am one, and that only ...
      »17Black: k man --- AGREED, outfielders defensively/offensively/base running, ...
      »k man: 17Black and thanks for reminding me, senior bats for SSUSA, double ...
      »Don5: Personally I like the 1-1 count, with hot bats and balls, the batter ...
      »maskedman: I don't like any rule that give the hitter another excuse for ...
      »taits: Can't recall this ever being brought up. But a middle of the road and ...
      »taits: It's been a hitters game for years. Still will be unless you change ...
      »bkb555: we did our fall league 1-1 with a screen......games lasted 1.5 hours ...
13 Oct. 28, 2016 1502

Tournament win.....

» CAT: IF a team wins a major tournament and gets moved up to the higher ...
0 Oct. 25, 2016 470

Ruling clarification

» stick8: Batter runs up in the box to hit and is called out for being out of ...
      »rlspls1974: As soon as the batter is called out the ball is dead. So no, it does ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We respectfully disagree. ANY batted ball that clears the fence and ...
      »rlspls1974: Ok staff, that makes no sense. The player was called OUT prior to ...
      »Dbax: Have to agree with rispis. This makes no sense. ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The batter hit the ball out of the park ... That's a home run for the ...
      »coop3636: so if a ump calls time out and then the batter hits one over then ...
      »SSUSA Staff: coop ... You're digging real deep into the "hypothetical barrel" on ...
      »Chief144: It happened this past weekend at BLD & it was called correctly by the ...
      »rlspls1974: Staff, I don't get it but if you say so. Can you please provide the ...
      »coop3636: I still don't agree I dead ball is a dead ball, all action ...
      »SS11: So if bases are loaded and out, and this happens,the batter is out, ...
      »B.J.: I agree with what STAFF says... that this is how the rule is being ...
      »DCPete: Pathetically stupid; how can a ball over the fence count against your ...
      »L.Martin: So let me get this straight, your penalizing the batter twice in one ...
      »Dbax: This is an in interpretation that needs to be changed. ...
      »curty: seems it is some what the same as a bases loaded, no out, 4 runs in, ...
      »DaveDowell: DCPete: Yes, it's counted as a team HR, just not scored as one on the ...
      »rlspls1974: Curty, Apples and Oranges, in your example the 5th run scored ending ...
      »Dbax: Curty, like said above, it's not the same thing. DD, please ...
      »BallPlayer35: The out of the box rule needs to change on my opinion. Giving the ...
      »DCPete: Just put a line from the 3rd Base line to the 1st Base line 40" in ...
      »just a player: my experience with this rule has been with players running up to hit ...
      »Boom Boom 1: To add to this dilemma, our softball batter's box is 6ft long (little ...
      »Boom Boom 1: and to further complicate things: the softball batter's box was ...
      »LP: As I read and try to understand why it's not a dead ball when the ...
      »B94: I personally can't see how it isn't a dead ball situation if the ...
      »Turbo 34: There is no way you can count it toward a teams home run total. The ...
      »ffdonnie: Wow, senior softball has some pretty dumb rules, but this is the ...
      »Panther: The batter's box is supposed to be 7' x 3' according to SSUSA rules.
      »SSUSA Staff: ffdonnie ... It's been a VERY short discussion on the few occasions ...
      »Turbo 34: You didn't address what happens if there's no home runs left and two ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Nawwww ... That's an easy one ... Multiple choice for whatever the ...
32 Oct. 25, 2016 1811

New Player

» AllTournyPit: I have a question....If a player that hasn't played an inning of ...
      »paul0784: He should enter Senior Softball as a AAA player.
      »AllTournyPit: That's what my thought was. SSUSA thinks differently for some reason. ...
      »titanhd: I would re-think your answer Paul.New teams can start as AAA. I ...
      »AllTournyPit: Here's the scenario. We are a new team. Never played in a tournament ...
      »paul0784: I had a new player play with us this year we are 60M and he was ...
      »paul0784: ALLTourneyPit If you are a AAA team you can have 3 M players on your ...
      »SSUSA Staff: There's a "new team" forming in your general area of the country, and ...
      »AllTournyPit: Ok...like I said, it doesn't matter what class we play. We will build ...
      »AllTournyPit: *Correction..Does a name on a roster classify what level you play? If ...
      »SSUSA Staff: ATP ... In reply to your last two posts ... [1] The 'name on a ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Someone thinks a player has major level skills and puts them on a ...
      »AllTournyPit: Ok....this is giving me a freaking headache! ....LOL The player in ...
      »southernson: AllTourneyPit, Welcome to Senior Softball where things are rarely ...
13 Oct. 18, 2016 1233

Courtesy runner replacement on a base.

» Steve in Tucson: Referring to Rule 8.5(5), a courtesy runner is in the game when he ...
      »B.J.: yes you are correct....and if it is not caught before a pitch... An ...
      »curty: years ago i helped to make available a booklet of case studies for ...
      »JBTexas : BJ, before first pitch only comes into play if he just scored, other ...
      »rightrj1: here's one for you; Base hit, batter gets a courtesy runner at 1st ...
      »coop3636: I did this in Vegas this year The UIC said it was legal. You cannot ...
      »SSUSA Staff: rightjr1 and coop3636 TWO incorrect calls resulting in an ...
      »rightrj1: Staff...THANK YOU SO MUCH...I'm putting my bullets away! LOL
      »coop3636: I will concede if you say so, but... As you wrote, rule 8.5(3) says ...
      »DaveDowell: Agreed: It's a very simple fix, and I can name that fix in two words: ...
      »coop3636: I'm glad that is taken care of..lol now what's next to discuss?
      »stick8: Scenario: Stick8 gets a single and gets a courtesy runner, coop3636 ...
      »coop3636: this scenario would never happen I'm not faster then anybody....
      »B.J.: stick....yes ....Rulebook 8.5(3) "..A courtesy runner may not be ...
      »Steve in Tucson: WOW! I didn't realize I was opening Pandora's box, but the ...
      »Mike Fossil's 60's: So does the umpire make the out call or does the defense need to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Mike ... This is NOT an appeal play. The umpire may make that call at ...
16 Oct. 16, 2016 920

Scoring of runs

» GH: Please clarify Rule 5.7 if you would, based on the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: NO RUN SCORES ... Very simple rule: The run does NOT count ANY time ...
      »B.J.: whenever there is a situation where the runner/runners are FORCED to ...
2 Oct. 6, 2016 523

classification

» jake7: I would like to know if a team that is rated major in one division ...
0 Sept. 26, 2016 297

Solution of underage teams

» Davy: I have empathy for the 40's team that went to a tournament in Arizona ...
      »jrhunch: the reason we pay membership fees is so they have our personal info ...
      »marcster13: If it is a SSUSA turny the solution is already in place. Have a ...
      »Hitemdeep: The team in question isn't even a registered SSUSA team. They haven't ...
      »Dbax: Hitemdeep, please send a formal complaint email to SSUSA. We are all ...
4 Aug. 25, 2016 697

Why are there rules?

» Hitemdeep: Why are there rules that players must follow but a director is ...
      »DaveDowell: With such a multitude of detail information you have provided, it's ...
      »Hitemdeep: Played in a qualifier this weekend. There was a team allowed to play ...
      »Benji4: Dave rub the SSUSA crystal ball....C'mon But if I had to guess ...
      »Dbax: Lol! Nice guess.
      »ffdonnie: C'mon deep, if you are going to call someone out on here then grow ...
      »neck10: the tournament director's in Lansing were fine as far as we were ...
      »Hitemdeep: Really this is how you guys respond to a matter that is supposed to ...
      »softball4b: Whether I agree with the premise or not. If I want to be taken ...
      »Benji4: Very well put Mike but unfortunately there are very few of us left ...
      »E6 in AZ: Let me make sure I got this straight, "Hitem" has an issue, posts it ...
      »Benji4: Nobody blew him up with negativity. We simply said identify the ...
      »softball4b: Seriously, you think either of those programs apply. Is the ...
      »Dbax: I did write a complaint to SSUSA earlier in the year after the Spring ...
      »16wood: Each person who uses this message board to express himself/herself ...
      »Hitemdeep: I seriously simply wanted to state why must we follow rules and ...
      »SSUSA Staff: A few hopefully relevant comments ... This Message Board does ...
      »E6 in AZ: Hitem, I hear you and agree completely with you on this topic (check ...
      »Infinity11: Gentleman, I normally don't post on these but in defense of the ...
      »Hitemdeep: Infinity11.....rhata some funny stuff you wrote. It's complete BS. ...
      »Hitemdeep: That's....
      »bogie: Dave, you always address things with such wisdom...can i hire you to ...
      »Hitemdeep: Just a fact for you infinity teams knew they were letting underage ...
      »ffdonnie: Hitem, I stand by my (probably)inappropriate, (possibly beer ...
      »DaveDowell: We respect people's privacy here ... The formal complaint mechanism, ...
      »Dbax: Ffdonnie, the director was named at the beginning of this post by ...
      »Omar Khayyam: I'm impressed with the eloquence of some of our posters. Well ...
      »Infinity11: Omar, You are pretty much right on the money. Although, they did ...
      »OZ40: I personally would feel so much better as I picked up my teeth off ...
      »Hitemdeep: Infinity I guess your point 1% comes into play here because I am 110% ...
      »Omar Khayyam: OZ40, you made me laugh! Thanks for the chuckle.
      »Joncon: From my perspective, 40 year olds are ALL underage lol.
31 Aug. 25, 2016 2363

Using screen for pitcher

» JBTexas : Guys, our 40 division(SASSL) has voted to start using a ...
      »B.J.: I wrote this rule for our senior league...the screen became very ...
      »coop3636: Before some other rules. Make sure your pitchers know that using the ...
      »Dbax: 40's using a screen???
      »rlspls1974: A. At the beginning of each half inning or when a pitching change is ...
      »Downs: JH Texas. If you'll send me your mailing, or home address, I'll ...
      »JBTexas : Downs, e-mail on the way, thanks
      »DieselDan: Our St. G senior leagues use the portable style screens that teams ...
      »NYGNYY: Anytime we can protect a player I am all for it. I am not an expert ...
      »B.J.: Downs I sent you an e mail ...I'd like a copy also...just to compare ...
      »JBTexas : NYGNYY,Our 40 division uses senior bats but our over 40 co-ed ...
      »neck10: we put our screen in front of the pitcher ,the pitcher must throw ...
      »curveball: neck, that's the perfect position for the screen. Solves a lot of ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Our 50 and over league has mandated a screen for 17 years since a ...
      »UMBACH: THE screens are used everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      »J R: JB in Houston we use the rule the inside leg of the screen must be ...
      »BruceinGa: Our screen rules are similar to JR's, inside leg must be touching and ...
      »J R: I agree t should be foul ball and an out on third strike.I just ...
      »B.J.: the problem we found with a batted ball hitting the screen on a 3rd ...
      »mad dog: bj why......its slowpitch....batters in your league can't hit to ...
19 Aug. 19, 2016 1095

desinated batter

» eraldo: Is the designated batter still allowed in ssusa tournaments. i can`t ...
      »Duke: As long as you are not trying to say a DH for a fielder. You are ...
      »B.J.: you can bat your whole roster up to 20 7.1(1) BATTER ...
2 Aug. 10, 2016 455
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Senior Softball-USA is dedicated to informing and uniting the Senior Softball Players of America and the World. Senior Softball-USA sanctions tournaments and championships, registers players, writes the rulebook, publishes Senior Softball-USA News, hosts international softball tours and promotes Senior Softball throughout the world. More than 1.5 million men and women over 40 play Senior Softball in the United States today. »SSUSA History  »Privacy policy

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