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Gary Kadow CPOA Cleveland

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Mentor, OH

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Men's 50

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July 5, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Team "Rankings"

Agreed. I certainly don't want anybody to add staff or expenses.

I was thinking subjectively Dave or SSUSASTAFF sees a lot of teams in person.

I know it is probably not realistic. I do hear guys who don't get to play against certain teams, banter about how they would or wouldn't stack up against certain opponents.
July 2, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Team "Rankings"

OK, I know the only thing that matters is who wins on the field. At all tournaments but especially at the big tournaments.

Not trying to start any arguments or controversy.

Since SSUSA Staff (Dave) and others do see a lot of the teams around the country, is/was there every any thought into maybe having a SSUSA Top 10/ Top 20 or something by division???

Before the banter begins, I love the NCAA Basketball and now Football Playoffs as a way to get the #1 Team in the country as played on the court or field. Rankings every week generate interest in those sports before the playoffs ever begin.

However, part of the fun of entire NCAA seasons (as examples) is to see weekly rankings posted, start conversation and keep the interest alive, sometimes in epic proportions.

I am just wondering if softball tourney teams, who would be watching national rankings, would be more inclined to enter a tournament if they had a chance to play/knock off/move ahead of another SSUSA ranked team??? Or see how they may, or may not stack up against teams from other parts of the country (or even other softball associations) based on "opinion"

It could also generate more interest and turnout at some tournaments all year???

On the other hand it could cause other teams to not attend a tourney, knowing a ranked team or several were attending???


July 2, 2015
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Which Sports Do More Americans Participate In?

^^^^ Ohio had both girls Fast and Slow-pitch softball going on until the early 2000's until the OHSAA made everybody go to fast-pitch. My local high school won a state championship in slow-pitch before the conversion.

When I was in high school in the 70's, I played baseball.

However, we did, at the time have club level boys slow pitch softball that played against all the same schools and conference we had for baseball. Decent uniforms (for the 70's anyway) and everything.

Slow Pitch was HUGE beyond huge in Northern Ohio from the 60's even up until the Mid to late 90's and then it started nose diving FAST.

The local softball complex here in Mentor Ohio had two weeknight leagues of 8 teams Monday thru Thursdays for years as well as a huge Sunday morning program----------There was a waiting list for at least 20 years for teams trying to get into the weeknight leagues even as late as 1999.

NOW-------fast forward to 2015-----------that softball complex has NO men's slow pitch program at all--------and that pretty much goes for almost every suburban town here in the Cleveland area----it's a shame!!!!
June 29, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Dave Humphries Memorial

OK, first of all KUDOS to the grounds crew, and Lucas County Rec Center!!!!!

After 3 inches of rain in just over 30 hours, which stretched far into the wee hours of Sunday morning, I cant believe what outstanding condition the infields at the complex were in!!! OUTSTANDING!!!!

And although there was some standing water in the outfields, which is understandable, the fields were in great condition.

Obvious a wash out Saturday, the rain was blowing sideways. Driving home Sunday night, local homes, farms and crops were flooded & under water.

Also thanks to the tournament directors for adjusting all brackets to get things moving and finished!!!

That being said, we were short handed/hobbling and got knocked out--------WHO won 50 Major????
June 24, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Pool games....???

Yes I know a "flight" wouldn't work in every tournament or every bracket based on the number of teams.

Certainly 6 teams or less you could get your four or five game guarantee in by playing everybody once?

8 teams or more you could have 2 flights?

Its not perfect, what do you do if you have 7 or 9?? 10 teams you could have two flights of five, that's easy. What if you had eleven?

This is "probably: why we play "seeding games" that's what I call them anyway, as its easier to have teams play a couple games that don't mean much, before going to double elimination.

I think the difficulty with my "wish" is for SSUSA or any organization, to be able to do every age, every division in some kind of flight format. You could have a tournament with 12 teams in one division but only 2 or 3 in another division.

In 50's, especially when we play on Fridays-------------a lot of teams don't have their entire team on Friday, as some guys work or cant make it----------those teams go 0-2 or 0-3 as examples and get a bad seed but don't care, because they are at full force on Saturday when double elimination starts, and often change their fortunes.

For three day tournaments in a flight format, that would force those teams to be at full strength on Friday.

On another topic though in 50's I am just not a fan of playing Fridays, because everybody does have to take off work------(but at least you can schedule that)-----I am a huge fan of trying to get most tourneys entirely in on Saturday/Sunday--------I know that's difficult with field availability and how many teams are entered in tournaments---------but then again if there are weather delays or other issues, missing Monday at work can be a possibility too (and probably unscheduled with your boss)
June 23, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Pool games....???

Adding to above comments from even myself :)

I "wish" that at many tournaments, MAYBE instead of playing "pool games, seeding games, get to know you games" whatever you want to call them.

MAYBE if possible, and if there are enough teams in a bracket play, do a flight or pool against XXX amount of teams so that every game does mean something, and still allows everybody to get their XXX (4/5) game guarantee???

As an example this weekend we are in a tournament with a total of only (5) 50 Majors-------if we played everybody ONCE in a flight, you would still get your 4 game guarantee in, and then maybe the top two teams play another game or best of 3 for the championship (as one way to do it, but there could be MANY ways to do it)-------that still gives all teams their games, they all mean something???

If you had 8 teams you could do 2 flights of 4 with the winners playing each other??? "or something"
June 23, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Pool games....???

There are a lot of really great points above by all. THANK YOU

When I first started playing senior tournaments five years ago, I too, was questioning the "seeding games"----------only because I was used to double elimination for three decades.

Now I love them for many of the same reasons above.

Our team certainly likes to win, and we normally do pretty well at most tournaments.

But since our tournament team is basically " a club" that plays softball-------for the purpose of "playing softball" I like the usual 4/5 game guarantees------because its all about just playing ball at our age. (its all about softball)

There are certainly some detriments too.

If the weather is HOT HOT HOT, playing a lot of games on a weekend can certainly wear you down. Last month we won our two seeding games and got #1 seed but did a bonehead thing and lost the first game of double elimination, causing us to play five more games in a row to get out of losers bracket, all in the same day in 90 degree heat. Yes well worth it, but it was a lot easier at 24 than 54 LOL.

Playing in 50's, a lot of guys (all of our team) still has jobs, and have to take Fridays off as vacation time (sometimes Thursdays and Mondays too)--------if we didn't have seeding games, guys wouldn't have to usually burn a vacation day or two, and we could just play Saturdays/Sundays.

Unfortunately, even as recently as the late 1990's here in Ohio, in "young ball" we could find a tournament almost every weekend ALL Spring & Summer within a 20 to 90 minute drive, which was great for double elimination and two day tournaments and sleeping in our own beds----------------but now with senior ball, our closest tournament is three hours away, most are 4 to 7 hours away and/or a plane flight to Florida/Arizona or Vegas-------so for those distances, expenses and burning vacation days at work, the more games makes more sense---------at least to us so we can get our "club" together.
June 23, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Dave Humphries Memorial

Thanks for posting this

CPOA Cleveland/Northern Ohio Printing will be there in 50 Major (Masters)
June 13, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Dave Humphrey Tourney (Toledo) (Maumee Ohio) June 27/28

OK we entered yesterday (CPOA Cleveland), we hope to see somebody there
June 11, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Syracuse tournament

Unfortunately, we were going to come from Ohio to this event this year.

Until one of our players decided to get married that same weekend.

We will plan this one for 2016, we are highly interested.

CPOA Cleveland
June 8, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Dave Humphrey Tourney (Toledo) (Maumee Ohio) June 27/28

LOL, I hope somebody is playing???

Go CAVS
June 5, 2015
17Black
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Dave Humphrey Tourney (Toledo) (Maumee Ohio) June 27/28

OK, are any 50 Majors playing at end of the month???? (and who??)
June 5, 2015
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Does your team track player statistics?

without me looking at web-site yet--------does this replace "the book" during a game or do you do the data entry after the tournament (as example) My team currently has 50+ year olds who don't even know how to keep score, nor do any of our fans.

But they can text with their eyes closed with one thumb, while batting opposite handed in a hurricane.

MIKE M how you doing?????????
May 29, 2015
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One up Rule in the Open Inning!!!

I did play in a tournament somewhere a couple years ago where our team benefited from this scenario with "one up"---------might have been in Barberton Ohio????

we were down one home run going into the open inning----------we were the home team-----------the rule in this tournament was "you could not go one up in the open inning"------------so the visiting team hits a homer in the open inning (keep in mind they were already one up)---------so the batter was called out.

we came up in the home half of the open inning and hit a homer which DID count (because it was not a one up homer, we just evened the homers at that point)-----and we won the game.

In that case you could hit a homer in the open inning as long as you did not go one up in the open inning.
May 29, 2015
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One up Rule in the Open Inning!!!

I agree with crusher on this one, and I do believe that is why some associations have this rule in place. No matter what the home run limit is, the last team batting has an advantage of being able to hit one additional homer.

You can argue that the visiting team had equal amount of chances, but what if they hit the home run to go one up and the next guy hits one over the fence for an automatic out because that would be "2" up.

Yet the home team still gets to hit two? That's why the rule is in place.

Part of me would like to see one up throughout a game till the open inning, as I hate seeing guys get penalized, for hitting fair ball home runs and being called out (or) even being issued a walk or a single as some associations toy with-----------but the older I get, the more I like the out after hitting whatever limit your playing with.
May 29, 2015
17Black
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: ball tipped over fence with no bome runs left, bases loaded, playing rules were walks after no HR Left. what should happen.

This just happened to us in Indianapolis last month.

We were over our home run limit of (6) and outfielder from the other team knocked a fly ball that was over his head, over the fence, & we had a couple runners on base.


We did have everybody run around all the bases, (and the ump after we did it said we were correct)
Ump called it a four base error??

However, in the sake of speeding up play, that seemed "odd" as it should be the hit and sit rule as SSUSA Staff mentions above. Nobody was going to hop the fence and throw the ball back in, so just score the runners and sit in my opinion?

We played it safe and ran it out.
May 22, 2015
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Jeff, no, we don't have any SPA on our current schedule this season-----------playing 50 Major now with CPOA Cleveland---------although we should be playing 55 LOL we only have 2 guys out of 18 between 50/55. We hold our own pretty well though. All SSUSA/ISSA and "maybe" one ISA in Indiana on tap this year.

We'd love to play in Akron/Barberton next month since we all live less than an hour from there, but no Major available.

We are playing in Toledo for the SSUSA/USSSA Humphries Tournament at end of June, probably closest one to you.

I was in Dalton three weeks ago unrelated to softball and stopped to see the complex------Good Luck there for sure, wow it looks like great venue !!!!!!!!!
May 22, 2015
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

^^^^^ Jeff, haven't seen you on here for a while. Hope you are well???

Where you playing this summer????? (what is name of team this year???)
May 22, 2015
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

after reading all of the above posts, I personally think the only equalizer (as long as we are going to have teams playing each other occasionally from other divisions) is to play to the lesser teams home run rule (and runs per inning)---------scratch the five runs and/or scratch the extra fields.

With only five runs allowed per inning, and home runs that game being equal, that should be enough???
May 19, 2015
17Black
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Dancer, I will wait till SSUSA Staff tells me I am wrong & corrects me, but I don't think you get both the 5 runs AND an extra fielder???? Is one or the other. (at least in SSUSA tourney's???)

There might be an exception if you wound up at a tournament and played a team at least two classes above or bellow you??? I'm just guessing on that one??? (Maybe like 50 Major Plus against 50 AAA as example???)

Different Associations might have different rules.
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