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Are walks hits in Senior Softball?

» NewRuleSC: I am having some controversy on my team. After playing this past ...
      »gott2play: NewRuleSC, What you're talking about us OBP (on-base percentage). ...
      »bkb555: it is more a team decision....since batting averages are sometimes ...
      »Enviro-Vac: In baseball proper scoring gives a walk a walk and not a hit. ...
      »stattad: You should keep both. I always provide stats to our players, and we ...
      »coop3636: It saves lots of time and effort (and arguments about if it was an ...
      »BruceinGa: I agree "It saves lots of time and effort (and arguments about if it ...
      »crusher: Agree with coop3636 99.9%. I call it BA as OBP has to many ...
      »joel 1975: some guys want take a walk because it dosent help there average, ...
      »NewRuleSC: Thanks for the feedback. I am gong to let this one be a team decision.
      »stick8: I used to think walks shouldn't be hits until I played on this one ...
      »stattad: You can do anything you want, but keep in mind that in baseball when ...
      »crusher: stattad - The good thing slo-pitch is not baseball. The 90' bases ...
      »BruceinGa: Stattad, would feel better if we called a walk or an error as "on ...
      »crusher: Bruce, U R still to YOUNG to really appreciate a walk. LOL James
      »BruceinGa: Crusher, walks are good if you have confidence in your teammate that ...
      »garyheifner: Slow pitch is a hitters game. However, if you have the poise to lay ...
      »tg69: Walks score runs. I had rather take a walk than to hit a solo homerun ...
      »HJ: The reality is that BA; OBP and Slugging average all have validity ...
      »Duke: I am not going to get into how to compute batting average, on-base ...
      »joel 1975: walks r very important if you have a punch hitter who's only going to ...
      »Brock: I agree with the majority of you in that On Base Percentage is a very ...
      »neck10: stick that's the right call, walks are just as good as single's some ...
      »stick8: Brock and neck good points!! Another poster put it properly. There's ...
      »Lefty: My coach and me didn't really agree with what's a hit or error. ...
      »hurler: stick how's Bobby Stew doin???????????????
      »stick8: Hurler, Stewie is doing very well. He is pretty much back to his ...
      »Webbie25: I have to agree with the guys that count it as a hit.There really is ...
      »laramie55: Personally, I don't keep track of my batting avg. I see that what ...
      »fever: the teams I've played for have counted walks as hits, errors as hits, ...
      »DoubleL10: Vern, I agree 100% with what you said. Our game is about OBA which ...
30 Nov. 25, 2014 1326

Elegiblity

» Ceres: Can a AAA player move to a AA team if his AAA team folded and there ...
      »taits: Yes, but there are consequences for the "team" as for your playing ...
      »Ceres: taits, I don't completely understand your reply. We have a AA ...
      »chico senior: Unless the rule has changed you can have up to 3 players from the ...
      »Duke: Ceres, Mr. Tait answered more than you asked for. Simply put, as a ...
      »titanhd: Ceres. The simple answer is yes as long as he does not cause that 5 ...
5 Nov. 18, 2014 476

commit line between third and home

» Jetboy: I'm not sure how universal this rule is but we have a committ line ...
      »taits: Commit line is supposed to be 20 feet from home plate. Once you cross ...
      »taits: Forgot to add, if you do cross back (try to go back to 3rd base) ...
      »Nancy Allen: In the Summit's rules comparison, it looks like 20 feet in all but ...
      »Jetboy: "Forgot to add, if you do cross back (try to go back to 3rd base) ...
      »jca_BelAir: I know this is an old thread; I ran across it while investigating ...
      »paul0784: with the new 70' bases the commitment line is now 30' from home ...
6 Nov. 18, 2014 2314

Age Groups

» Max56: Why doesn't the age grouping start on July 1st? If a player doesn't ...
      »taits: I do not believe they do... You can play the age group of interest ...
      »Max56: If player A turns 65 in January and player B turns 65 in December ...
      »curveball: Max, player A and player B both get to play 65's on the exact same ...
      »Max56: If the player is 64 in Dec. and the other player is 64 in Jan. the ...
      »AJC: That is correct Max. It can be a difference in age as little as 1 ...
5 Nov. 17, 2014 380

Legal/Illegal Use of Courtesy Runner?

» SCUBA: Batter gets a base hit and a fielder throws the ball past the catcher ...
      »ju25: I have never heard of a legal substitution while ball is in play. ...
      »B.J.: if the courtesy runner touched the base while ball was still in play ...
      »stick8: SCUBA based on your description I have an illegal courtesy runner, ...
      »Sparky.1: Excellent assessment of the rule & subsequent play by both B.J. and ...
      »Wendall J. Benboodleman: SCUBA, I share the opinion of some of the above. Legal runner ...
      »Softballer48: SCUBA: I saw the play in question; and as you know the Umpire did ...
      »OZ40: I don't know how closely SSUSSA rules parallel U-Trip rules but if ...
      »B.J.: I wish we would stop posting about U-TRIP rules this site is for ...
      »Garocket: Funny how they post USSSA rules and they do not even know the USSSA ...
      »stick8: Yes there is a difference between a touch and an assist. I had a play ...
10 Nov. 3, 2014 667

Pitching

» Doc11: If a pitcher delivers a pitch with both feet outside the pitcher's ...
      »stick8: In this case the umpire is to hold his right arm out to the side and ...
      »BruceAZ: We had a similar call in the Worlds a few weeks ago that almost cost ...
      »Sparky.1: First of all, the "correct" Umpire signal is done by holding the ...
      »Sparky.1: and before someone gets any ideas, I am a former State Certified ...
      »TimMcElroy: I see two potentially different scenarios here: 1) If the pitcher ...
      »B.J.: Tim.....I disagree with you on the part of calling a no pitch if ...
      »stick8: Tim, I with B.J. on this one. I don't believe it's a dead ball. The ...
      »Sparky.1: The only time a "Dead Ball" vocalization is used is "Dead Ball ...
      »Garocket: I would have to agree with Tim, IF the pitcher never got in the ...
      »Sparky.1: stick8.....ASA is as soon as possible once it leaves the Pitcher's ...
      »John Mc: I am new to this forum, but I agree with Tim. If the pitcher is never ...
      »ju25: This happened to me last night in a USSSA playoff game. Pitcher was ...
      »mad dog: i'm with rocket and tim on this.....its like letting the pitcher ...
      »stick8: Jimmy in your scenario it's a ball not because the pitch was deep or ...
      »B.J.: Guys again here is the rule...6.4 BEFORE STARTING THE PITCH...B. ...
      »ju25: Stick, I understand the ball call, but shouldn't he have said ball, ...
      »B.J.: JU....in USSSA the umpire cannot say anything until after the pitch ...
      »stick8: Jimmy your correct. What he should have called was "unfairly ...
      »stick8: Fellas BJ is exactly correct. For further info refer to section 6 of ...
      »ju25: I thought that USSSA was a hand signal, or is that just for pitches ...
      »OZ40: Right on Stick. The only bone I have to pick with U-Trip is in this ...
      »Sparky.1: As an idea for ALL of the current Senior Softball Associations. In ...
      »stick8: Jimmy there's no hand signal in utrip until the pitch crosses the ...
      »stick8: Oz that's the beauty of USSSA!! Your last sentence sums it up ...
      »Sparky.1: Totally agree with you "stick8", "Oz40" summed up a USSSA team's ...
      »curty: what would you call this? batter in box, pitch thrown- legally by ...
      »B.J.: if pitcher does what again????
      »curty: umpire was not looking. he was putting a ball away when the pitch was ...
      »Sparky.1: The Umpire's day is finished and should be enrolled in "Basic ...
      »B.J.: I didn't see the play...but many times multiple balls are used in a ...
      »Sparky.1: BJ....Can't sell that outlook.....A ball bag is worn on your side ...
      »OZ40: As a former U-Trip ump I always stated "TIME" when a play was ...
      »Sparky.1: Exactly my point and the overall level of Umpiring I have witnessed ...
      »stick8: Curty the way you describe that play the umpire was correct. It ...
34 Nov. 1, 2014 896

illegal courtesy runner rule

» 1jonsey: STAFF---this is part of RULE 8.8 5) An illegal courtesy runner on ...
      »SSUSA Staff: That is a correct assumption ... The appeal on the illegal courtesy ...
1 Oct. 24, 2014 479

Interference

» Paul P: Ok, I get it, I know the rule, as do all of you, but let me throw a ...
      »stick8: The umpire was correct except for one thing. Based on your scenario ...
      »Garocket: Stick that is correct. Any interference by a runner that has already ...
      »stick8: I'd like to add if the runner was using "descriptive" language, ...
3 Oct. 21, 2014 415

Why Not Reward Performance?

» Tate22: MLB - best record means home field advantage, same in the NFL, NBA, ...
      »Marv19: Donnie that's so novel and creative where did you come up with that ...
      »?: If being the home team is such a big deal..... Then explain why i ...
      »?: Correction to my last post... Only the KC Royals should have been ...
      »SCRAPPY: Don, I agree 100%. I have played in tournaments for over 40 years ...
      »DaveDowell: Don ... A couple of quick observations ... The SSUSA Field Director ...
      »TexasTransplant: Jeez, isn't the fact that the team from the loser's bracket will have ...
      »Tate22: Dave Dowell, that's a great point and your proposal works for me. If ...
      »stick8: Tate22, USSSA has a similar rule in their NIT's and conference ...
      »mad dog: tate22,stick8.....i have always remembering us playing it that ...
      »BruceinGa: We had the same conversation last week in Vegas. Ours was centered ...
      »Clean Up: What's the Big Deal? Is there really any BIG home field ...
      »stick8: ?, 3 reasons why the Royals and Giants are still playing. 1)pitching ...
      »?: stick8 You are absolutely correct! And to think they did all ...
      »cal50: Home team is an advantage because you know how many runs going in you ...
      »Robo2: If you really wanted to reward performance then why have a Home Run ...
15 Oct. 17, 2014 1106

tag up

» hurdler52: situation is runners at 2nd and 3rd one out. Batter hits fly ball ...
      »B.J.: yes the run scores... this is a time play, as long as the runner has ...
      »jim16: In the 70 AAA tournament at Sunset park that very situation occurred, ...
      »stick8: Both scenarios are timing plays. If the runner at third crosses the ...
      »Garocket: Stick are you refering to the fourth out appeal.
      »stick8: Garocket that is correct but you spoiled my fun!! :)
      »Garocket: Stick we may be the only two but at least two of a very few that even ...
      »stick8: Garocket, with the exception of ssusa staff and perhaps a few other ...
      »OmahaChuck: ASA Rulebook Rules Supplement Section, Rule 1.K: "Tag Ups. ...
8 Oct. 15, 2014 608

Play at the plate

» Webbie25: This one also happened to me and I didn't argue, because I didn't ...
      »softball4b: The guy you went around was your own player and the defensive player ...
      »Webbie25: Mike, I did go across the corner of the box. I just could not cut ...
      »StevenL.Imlay: I was trying to get back to the plate but I wouldn't have gotten to ...
      »Dbax: Like Mike said it was our player. He was on deck and picking up the ...
      »softball4b: Batter
      »stick8: Webbie not seeing the play it's hard to discern what happened. What's ...
      »StevenL.Imlay: Stick8 I was going for the home plate not a tag. It never entered ...
      »stick8: The rule states a runner can't be tagged out once he/she passes the ...
      »curty: we had a similar type play. In a rundown (pickle) the runner stopped ...
      »stick8: Steve I'll definitely take your word for it. I suspect many players ...
      »Webbie25: I never meant to infer that Steve did try to tag me or did anything ...
      »stick8: Curty if I read you correctly the third baseman had the ball, ran at ...
      »HJ: I have trouble understanding how a 3rd baseman can interfere with a ...
      »curty: the play occured right at the commitment line. the runner crossed the ...
      »DaveDowell: Had a similar play at BLD involving a 3B chasing a runner home toward ...
      »HJ: Dave, your call is easy and third baseman erred since a simple throw ...
16 Oct. 9, 2014 1086

DH

» RaptorPete: My question is the ISA/ASA authorized use of a designated hitter. I ...
      »AJC: If you can have 12 guys listed on your lineup card and of course ...
      »hitman: In ISSA and ASA 65 and over use 11 fielders and bat as many as ...
      »TimMcElroy: In Senior Softball, we have an EH (Extra Hitter) which allows a ...
3 Oct. 8, 2014 318

Face masks required

» cal50: I myself am glad to see face masks required. In young man's ball ...
0 Oct. 8, 2014 271

When there is no double bag at first

» Webbie25: This happened at Boulder City this weekend. We had no double bag and ...
0 Oct. 6, 2014 337

Baserunner Retreating

» OmahaChuck: Apologies in advance if this has been answered before (I checked the ...
      »Garocket: Home plate is the only base that you cannot retreat to. In that ...
      »stever: Stop and think about the umpires decision. What is a baserunner ...
      »titanhd: I've seen this called as well.I believe that the umpire call was ...
      »stick8: In young mans ball, USSSA specifically, it's legal. I might be ...
      »JackZ_SLC: From the SSUSA rulebook, rule 8.3 a runner is out when: H. When ...
      »OmahaChuck: Thanks everybody. As you can tell, we have answers on both sides of ...
      »JackZ_SLC: From how I read and understand it, the BATTER would be out and all ...
      »TimMcElroy: JackZ_SLC Section 8.3 of the SSUSA rulebook refers to the ...
      »Garocket: Tim if that is the way it it writing in SSUSA that is good and it ...
9 Sept. 10, 2014 660

40+ player with no teams aroun my state!!!!

» chump1993: I'm sure this has all been discussed before, but why do players on a ...
0 Sept. 10, 2014 348

SSUSA TRANSGENDER ATHLETES POLICY REVISED

» SSUSA Staff: Upon reviewing the International Olympic Committee (I.O.C.) ...
0 Sept. 4, 2014 762

You Make the Call - Infield Fly

» Sisavic: Men on 1st and 2nd with no outs. Batter hits high pop behind 2nd ...
      »B.J.: i wrote this scenario up and sent it to the national uic about 7yrs ...
      »stick8: That umpire blew it!! Once the call is made that's it, it stands no ...
      »paul0784: Correct call stick8. Should have been batter is out and runners are ...
      »BruceinGa: Similar to the situation in Birmingham, umpire calls strike but when ...
      »stick8: Bruce did that really happen? Egads!!
      »BruceinGa: yes, it did. She was constantly laughing and giggling, so much that ...
      »stick8: Bruce that is a first for me.
      »BruceinGa: Stick, we were well in control of the game so we didn't complain. We ...
      »stick8: Bruce, if I found out one of the umpires in my crew did that they ...
9 Sept. 2, 2014 977

You Make the Call - Crash at Second Base

» Sisavic: Batter hits the ball into left center. He rounds 1st and heads for ...
      »B.J.: 1st call....if B/R was going for a double, why was fielder standing ...
      »stick8: I'm not certain the situations you describe were in senior ball or ...
      »Fred S: Stick*: Your right but the problem comes in ump making the safe ...
      »mad dog: fred on the veering off sets the runner up for being called for ...
      »B.J.: GETTING AN OUT AT 2ND BASE.... lets remember that the bag belongs to ...
      »stick8: Fred I have to admit I've never seen that call made either. Even if ...
6 Sept. 2, 2014 864

Thrown Ball

» Softballer48: Set-Up: Runners on 1st and 2nd; Batter hits a ground ball into the ...
      »Softballer48: Should have said interference by the on deck batter, causing the ball ...
      »Softballer48: SSUSA Staff.....PLEASE comment on this!
      »stick8: Had a similar play umpiring a USSSA C nit a couple years ago. Runners ...
      »B.J.: I dont like automatic bail out calls...If the ball was thrown that ...
      »B.J.: let me add one thing to that scenario...many times in tour ball the ...
      »stick8: BJ it's not a bailout call at all. Its designed to protect the ...
      »B.J.: because if he was standing in the on deck circle where he belongs and ...
      »baseballbill: What if it hits the base coach, What is the ruling??????
      »B.J.: if the base coach is in his designated coaches box and in my ...
      »paul0784: The on deck batter has the right to be on the field as well as the ...
      »Softballer48: paul0784: I thought the same as you.....There was no intent by the ...
      »titanhd: Hi Stick. I beg to differ on your opinion.The ball is immediately ...
      »whiterice: On deck batter is legally on deck. My opinion is dead ball when it ...
      »whiterice: How can he call the batter out when he hit a single ?
      »titanhd: whiterice. I agree .
      »stick8: Titanhd I cited what the rule is in a USSSA game. Your correct, upon ...
16 Aug. 30, 2014 772
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