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You Make the Call - Crash at Second Base

» Sisavic: Batter hits the ball into left center. He rounds 1st and heads for ...
      »B.J.: 1st call....if B/R was going for a double, why was fielder standing ...
      »stick8: I'm not certain the situations you describe were in senior ball or ...
      »Fred S: Stick*: Your right but the problem comes in ump making the safe ...
      »mad dog: fred on the veering off sets the runner up for being called for ...
      »B.J.: GETTING AN OUT AT 2ND BASE.... lets remember that the bag belongs to ...
5 Sept. 1, 2014 317

You Make the Call - Infield Fly

» Sisavic: Men on 1st and 2nd with no outs. Batter hits high pop behind 2nd ...
      »B.J.: i wrote this scenario up and sent it to the national uic about 7yrs ...
      »stick8: That umpire blew it!! Once the call is made that's it, it stands no ...
      »paul0784: Correct call stick8. Should have been batter is out and runners are ...
      »BruceinGa: Similar to the situation in Birmingham, umpire calls strike but when ...
      »stick8: Bruce did that really happen? Egads!!
      »BruceinGa: yes, it did. She was constantly laughing and giggling, so much that ...
      »stick8: Bruce that is a first for me.
7 Sept. 1, 2014 364

Thrown Ball

» Softballer48: Set-Up: Runners on 1st and 2nd; Batter hits a ground ball into the ...
      »Softballer48: Should have said interference by the on deck batter, causing the ball ...
      »Softballer48: SSUSA Staff.....PLEASE comment on this!
      »stick8: Had a similar play umpiring a USSSA C nit a couple years ago. Runners ...
      »B.J.: I dont like automatic bail out calls...If the ball was thrown that ...
      »B.J.: let me add one thing to that scenario...many times in tour ball the ...
      »stick8: BJ it's not a bailout call at all. Its designed to protect the ...
      »B.J.: because if he was standing in the on deck circle where he belongs and ...
      »baseballbill: What if it hits the base coach, What is the ruling??????
      »B.J.: if the base coach is in his designated coaches box and in my ...
      »paul0784: The on deck batter has the right to be on the field as well as the ...
      »Softballer48: paul0784: I thought the same as you.....There was no intent by the ...
      »titanhd: Hi Stick. I beg to differ on your opinion.The ball is immediately ...
      »whiterice: On deck batter is legally on deck. My opinion is dead ball when it ...
      »whiterice: How can he call the batter out when he hit a single ?
      »titanhd: whiterice. I agree .
      »stick8: Titanhd I cited what the rule is in a USSSA game. Your correct, upon ...
16 Aug. 30, 2014 388

Foul Territory

» RaptorPete: This is a new one for me. I've played a lot of softball over the ...
      »JimmyG: From SSUSA rule book 6.8(1) • PITCHER DELIVERING THE BALL The ...
      »JimmyG: 6.11(1) • PENALTY FOR ILLEGAL PITCHES Any infraction of §6.3 through ...
      »B.J.: JimmyG....correct rule but a pitcher should never get called for an ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Agreed B.J. ... The background on why it's an "illegal pitch" in slow ...
      »RaptorPete: Thank you very much JimmyG, B.J. and SSUSA Staff. I will forward this ...
5 Aug. 29, 2014 550
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OFFICIAL SOFTBALLS • SSUSA Rulebook §3.5

» SSUSA Staff: There have been some recent competition issues and inquiries about ...
0 Aug. 27, 2014 250

4 base error andrequired runner advancement

» tscs000: Bases loaded and ball is hit to the fence and hits glove of ...
      »SSUSA Staff: A "Four Base Award" [Rulebook §8.4(7) on page 45] is to be treated ...
      »tscs000: Thank you for the clarification. Something didn't seem right about ...
      »L: What would happen if the ball does not go over the fence what I have ...
      »SSUSA Staff: L ... Incorrect ... In your hypothetical, you have a live ball just ...
      »taits: First post is also referred to as an assisted HR. Thereby no ...
      »L: I guess I should have said he throws his glove and hits the ball ...
      »SSUSA Staff: L ... See Rulebook §8.4(10)C. (page 46) for this scenario ... "...The ...
      »B.J.: Staff...OP was confusing...I also thought the batted ball went off ...
      »SSUSA Staff: B.J. ... Yes ... Four-base-award if, in umpire's judgment, the ball ...
9 Aug. 26, 2014 539

You Make the Call

» DCPete: Happened at the ISSA tournament in Virginia last weekend. Runners on ...
      »Joncon: IFR not in effect. The player can't make the play with ordinary ...
      »Joncon: And the verbal declaration was alikely the deciding factor but ...
      »southernson: IMHO the verbal declaration by the 3B has nothing to do with the IFR ...
      »stick8: To answer the questions: 1)I call infield fly as soon as I ...
      »DCPete: Thanks for the replies; sounds like the ump blew the call since he ...
      »B.J.: INF should be called at the peak of the hit, if the tour. was using ...
      »stick8: This is what it says in the SSUSA rules about failure to call infield ...
      »B.J.: stick, I would say that after the defense argued the no call on the ...
      »GordieLew: The purpose of the IFR is to protect the runners on base. In this ...
      »Garocket: BJ If runners on 1st and 3rd there would be no infield fly rule. ...
      »B.J.: Garocket...Rule...1.37 • INTENTIONALLY DROPPED FLY BALL If a fielder ...
      »stick8: BJ your answer is correct!! Here's the SSUSA rule on intentional ...
      »Garocket: The one addition that I wish the associations would make is. If the ...
      »stick8: Garocket I understand the principle your getting at but having ...
      »OZZIE#8: the ump blew it.once the ump calls it,that's what it is. if not ...
15 Aug. 23, 2014 617

Interference or not

» rightrj1: .....Runner on 1st one out…. ground ball hit to the 1st basemen…. 1st ...
      »swing for the fences : I would say no call for accidental contact... Baserunner at that ...
      »B94: I don't think there has to be intent for interference to be called.
      »STL0: That doesn't seem like a plausible scenario. Did that actually ...
      »rightrj1: STLO...Yes this actually occurred.....Anything Is possible....The way ...
      »rightrj1: Swing let's have that Beer in Vegas!
      »swing for the fences : sounds good!
      »STL0: Thanks swing...I always knew I was smart :). After all I did finish ...
7 Aug. 18, 2014 578

Strangest play I have ever seen

» Garocket: This past weekend this happened and after I dug deeper the umpire was ...
      »Fred S: There are umps out there that know what they are doing.
      »BudLeftField: I would have thought that since 2 runs had already scored before the ...
      »Garocket: It is but kind of tricky It says that if the third out of an inning ...
      »Paul P: In a similar situation in a Florida Half Century Tournament, runners ...
      »swing for the fences : should of been out no run scored just like the first post! runner ...
      »B.J.: its a force out .....no runs scored.....again why dont UIC's answer ...
      »Webbie25: It is a strange play , but I have actually seen it happen twice. I ...
      »jrhunch: two runs should have counted.the out between third and home was the ...
      »Garocket: Wrong the appeal is a time play that makes the 3rd out on the apeall
      »B.J.: Garocket...not all appeal plays are time plays. If a runner is ...
      »jrhunch: if there was a runner on first and third and one out and fly ball to ...
      »B.J.: jrhunch you are correct on your first scenario with runner returning ...
      »jrhunch: b.j. i was talking about garockets situation i believe the ump made ...
      »jrhunch: b.j. paul p was right in his situation run should not been allowed to ...
      »jrhunch: b.j. i am saying that in garockets situation that 2 runs scored ...
      »jrhunch: i wouldn't bet on it though
      »BudLeftField: Hi jrhunch-I agree with you. That is exactly the point I made in my ...
      »Garocket: Just going by the rule book If the 3rd out of the inning is a force ...
      »Garocket: Sec. 5. ONE RUN SHALL BE SCORED each time a base runner legally ...
      »B.J.: per the O/P by Garocket...below is a rules supplement from ASA...The ...
      »jrhunch: b.j and garocket i also went to usssa book and garocket is right.that ...
      »paul0784: If the umpire made the out call at any base and it was a force out no ...
22 Aug. 18, 2014 1604

Pick up player rules

» sftblfinatic50: Hello, I was playing in a game last night and the other team had to ...
      »BruceinGa: Sounds as if this is a local rule. SSUSA and other senior ...
1 Aug. 15, 2014 305

WHY SEVEN RUNS PER INNING?

» DD: Coming down to my last weekend on vacation in San Diego...and with ...
      »Dbax: Have to agree with all of this.
      »SSUSA Staff: Then you both with be "at odds" with the Major+ players who proposed, ...
      »softball4b: Now that Webbie is playing with you, I expect that is worth 7 run an ...
      »DD: El Staffo---at odds....???...decidely so. Those players who ...
      »SSUSA Staff: It was "their theory", maybe one not supported by the facts when the ...
      »Mango: SSUSA- Thanks for listening! The higher the runs per inning the ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Mango ... The principal "detail point" in the debate surrounding the ...
      »Mango: SSUSA Staff- Right!!!! I agree with that point as well! More runs per ...
      »swing for the fences : I find it interesting that DD points out how Major plus doesn't score ...
      »stick8: Mango was that you that booted that double play ball? lol Sorry, ...
      »taits: Swing... My money would be on neither of those. but rather it would ...
      »Mango: Hey Stick, I'm doing well, thanks. How about you? Who are you ...
      »stick8: Mango, things are well. I'm still with OKI and yes we plan on playing ...
      »Webbie25: Dennis-on this one I have to disagree with you. I know the scores ...
      »DD: As I said starting this thread, I've been on vacation and unable to ...
      »Tim Millette: Why I think it should be five..... The main reason there is any ...
16 Aug. 5, 2014 1387

QUESTION FOR SSUSA STAFF ON RULE 14,2 (4)- C AGE GROUP 75

» armiho211: RULE QUESTION : WHY SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE ON THE 75 AGE GROUP ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The underage player allowances were instituted several years ago when ...
      »armiho211: SSUSA- thanks for your prompt response, I can understand now why ...
2 Aug. 4, 2014 415

player classification

» TwinMotors: I recently ran into a player classification problem in my playing ...
      »stattad: Seems ridiculous to me. Hopefully the staff will chime in...
      »gott2play: SSUSA...specifically George, TwinMotors makes very valid case for ...
      »rightrj1: TwinMotors, this a classic example of SSUSA...specifically ...
      »Enviro-Vac: There is actually another 60M team that borders WA and plays lots of ...
      »glovedad: Twin Motors...from personal experience/frustrations as well as from ...
      »Jawood: There are a lot of players and teams that try to get away with ...
6 Aug. 1, 2014 953

snowbird rules

» docsoc70: Can u explain if a player in on a team from May thru Nov and then ...
      »SSUSA Staff: The player's "home state" is the state of his primary residence ...
1 July 24, 2014 376

Ball Fair or Foul???

» baseballbill: Correct me if im wrong: First: If a ball bounce over third base and ...
      »B.J.: 1st fair ball 2nd fair ball 3rd fair ball ......... 1.22 • FAIR ...
      »baseballbill: B.J.: Thanks, If you review the discussion "runner hit by ball" S.S. ...
      »B.J.: the rule says a fair ball is one that TOUCHES first, second or third ...
      »baseballbill: B.J.: Are you disagreeing with Senior Softball interpretation?????
      »baseballbill: B.J.: It also appears that Senior Softball has a different rule then ...
      »mad dog: not sure where you saw this..but all situations you have posted ...
      »baseballbill: mad dog: Read the discussion "runner hit by batted ball" and read ...
      »baseballbill: mad dog: I see that you were involved in that discussion. Im still ...
      »B.J.: baseballbill....i dont know if that is possible
      »baseballbill: B.J., mad dog: Thanks for correcting me. I made some bad assumptions ...
      »Garocket: The way the rule book reads and is what I have always called and been ...
      »stick8: Any batted ball that hits first or third base is a FAIR ball, no ...
      »Garocket: 2 bases No different than any fair ball going into dead ball area
      »stick8: Garocket is correct!! Now what would be the call in the same ...
      »Garocket: Not covered in SSUSA In ASA if a runner is hit in foul teritorry ...
      »Garocket: Exact ruling Rule 8, Section 8, Paragraph E Runner is Not Out ...
16 July 21, 2014 703

Runner Hit by Batted Ball

» Paul P: We all know the standard rule, the ball passing an infielder, ...
      »BoiseBat: Depending on where the third baseman is playing. In our/normal ...
      »VINNY LV: depending if runner is in fair territory also.. if foot is on base ...
      »Paul P: Thanks for the input, both answers raise interesting possibilities. ...
      »Garocket: Thta is correct. Now lets throw one more out there Runner on ...
      »stick8: Paul P, USSSA rules are where the spot of the ball is when it hits ...
      »Duke: If the runner is hit with a fair batted ball while touching a base, ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Ouch! All these scenarios of a runner on third getting hit by a ...
      »Mulewhipper: ANYTIME a batter is hit with a batted ball in fair play, there is an ...
      »Mulewhipper: Check that last post...ANYTIME a "Base runner" is hit with a batted ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Mulewhipper ... ANYTIME does NOT include the circumstance of the base ...
      »Mulewhipper: Staff: are the rules for softball different than standard baseball ...
      »Mulewhipper: Yup...I read the rules and they are exactly as Andy has cut and ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Yes, the baseball rule is different from the softball rule ...
      »gr8hit42: Can anyone tell me where this is covered in the Official Senior ...
      »SSUSA Staff: See RULEBOOK SECTION §8.2 C. on page 42 of the Official SSUSA Rulebook
      »STL0: So from a strategy standpoint of a baserunner on third, if you have a ...
      »taits: Not unlike the 'fly ball' that is 'dropped' to make a double play.
      »mad dog: STLO....NO....no runner can intentionally interfere with a batted ...
      »txnighttrain: Rule 8.2 C.1. If a runner is hit with a fair batted ball while ...
      »SSUSA Staff: You are both correct in context ... txnighttrain: The base runner ...
      »STL0: Thanks Staff and txnighttrain but my comment was theorectical as I'm ...
      »B.J.: Garocket threw in an interseting scenario!!!! Runner on 3rd ...
      »SSUSA Staff: We believe this is a foul ball ... The sharply hit ball hitting the ...
      »cal50: In baseball if it touches the base, not touches the ground, it is ...
      »Mr Ed: A fair ball is a legally batted ball that: A. Settles or is touched ...
      »SSUSA Staff: This is an SSUSA softball rule query, not a baseball rule query ... ...
      »cal50: Then the next question would be does it have to pass the entire base? ...
      »Mr Ed: my above section is from the senior softball rule book. So if the ...
      »stever: Staff. Your answer on July 15 stating that a ball that hits the bag ...
      »B.J.: RULE 1.22 D. Touches first, second or third base.....That is why I ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Mr. Ed ... The ball is a fair ball at the moment it touches the base ...
      »cal50: Staff, this must be a specific SSUSA rule, it would not apply as you ...
      »SSUSA Staff: cal50 ... Agreed ... stick8 is an excellent resource on USSSA rules ...
      »Mr Ed: I now understand how you are applying the rule. I also think this ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Mr Ed ... B.J. is somewhat skilled at crafting (barely believable) ...
      »B.J.: STAFF thx but I cannot take the credit for this it was Garockets ...
      »B.J.: I stil believe this to be a fair ball once ball hits 3rd base even if ...
      »Garocket: I am going to break down the rules as I read them and then I guesss ...
      »Garocket: I am going to break down the rules as I read them and then I guesss ...
      »Garocket: Just reread what SSUSA STAFF wrote say if the ball touches third ...
      »B.J.: Garocket I agree RULE 1.22 D that the ball is fair once it hits the ...
      »Garocket: Winner Winner Chicken dinner Sounds like BJ found the answer and ...
      »DCPete: Sure; once the ball hits 1st or 3rd base it has to be a fair ball no ...
      »stever: Using SSUSA Staff logic, if a fielder touches a ball BEFORE it passes ...
      »Paul P: Im so glad I asked the original question, which was based on an ...
      »Paul P: Im so glad I asked the original question, which was based on an ...
      »baseballbill: What if a ball hits third or first base and the next bounce touches ...
      »cal50: Ball would be fair, but question is the runner safe or out if in foul ...
      »stick8: Baseballbill, any batted ball that hits first or third is a fair ...
      »stick8: Baseballbill, any batted ball that hits first or third is a fair ...
50 July 21, 2014 3684

Courtesy Runners from the plate

» Cougar: In our senior softball league we allow a courtesy runner for the ...
      »Duke: This is an individual league situation, and probably has not been ...
      »Nancy Allen: Wow, I have only ever seen a courtesy runner at leagues in ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Our league also allows a runner from home for a temporarily (e.g. ...
      »taits: Understand the situation. My thought on it is that the rules ...
      »HJ: We have a similar rule. The above scenario has happened to us twice ...
      »Nancy Allen: HJ, I definitely get the senior moment. The people in senior and ...
      »Omar Khayyam: HJ, for tournament play, I get the elimination of the courtesy runner ...
      »HJ: Omar, our league is competitive. You are probably nicer than I and I ...
      »Omar Khayyam: HJ, I agree. Most courtesy runners a manager chooses to go from home ...
9 July 14, 2014 628

OFFICIAL SOFTBALLS • SSUSA Rulebook §3.5

» SSUSA Staff: There have been some recent competition issues and inquiries about ...
0 July 10, 2014 1436

Home run rule for handicapping

» Fuzz: Your thoughts? When AA plays AAA or AAA plays Major, etc. the options ...
      »Fabe: I believe this thought has crossed the policymakers minds, but the ...
      »taits: Do not think that would keep equalizer 'rule' relatively equal. I ...
      »DCPete: Don't really see how having an extra fielder would help a lower-rated ...
      »Fuzz: I like the concept of excess home runs being walks instead of outs. ...
      »taits: Not sure where you are since nothing is listed but the primary assn I ...
      »Robo2: I have always felt that HRs should be unlimited. The reason being ...
      »Mario: Robo2 hit the nail right on the head!!!! The biggest thing for me at ...
      »miken44: robo 2 is right 5 guys hitting 5 straight ends the inning quicker ...
      »STL0: A lot of the discussion about the HR rule seems to circle back on the ...
      »txnighttrain: I get tired of hearing that a person has to "hit the middle" to get a ...
      »rebonjames: I completely agree with what Fuzz said about the AA & AAA run home ...
      »Wildtimes: ***ONE UP RULE or OUT***
      »Duke: Not sure that I would agree that playing to the lower rated team's ...
13 July 8, 2014 1455

over throw at first.

» birdie: Had an interesting play yesterday in Salem Va. We had a runner on ...
      »hitman: Third base everytime!!!!!!! He does have to go back and tag up or is ...
      »TimMcElroy: Hey Birdie- In Senior Softball-USA (SSUSA, and most other ...
      »birdie: Tim, Thanks i think that is what happened. they were ASA umpires. I ...
      »B.J.: Tim, great info. Thx. in a previous post the awarding of bases was ...
4 July 3, 2014 939
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