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Discussion: HR rule - why????

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Dec. 9, 2013
GeHall44
Men's 55
92 posts
HR rule - why????
To SSUSA - Why does the HR rule need to be changed almost every year? If you allow the hottest bats and live balls, how can you control HR's and good hitters who work hard at hitting? Players question - how many miss hit HR's do you hit every year with legal senior bats? In the M+ division I see at least a few miss hit HR's every game. Funny thing is everyone loves it and laughs when it happens. Good hitters swing hard. If they lift an intended hard line drive base hit swing, it's outta here. It will suck having that be a DBO in 2014. Joe Rinaldi had it right when he was pushing for the NCSSA one up HR rule with walks for over the limit HR's. This would allow the upper teams to keep hitting them when 2 good teams play each other and never penalize anyone at any level for hitting it out, mishit or good hit. I just don't get it. I do know that I will play NCSSA over SSUSA as much as possible this year. I would rather hit with Aluminum Demarini bats and no DBO rules. At least most of the mishit HR's would go away then. Except when guys like Patty Mac, George Robinson and Steve Imlay are batting...: )
Dec. 9, 2013
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
There is a reason that the monthly tournament series that I play in averages 60-70 teams. No home run limits, no runs per inning limits and teams are fairly seeded so that you play competitive games every month. And you know your schedule [4 games] a week before the tournament.
Dec. 9, 2013
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
SSUSA,or anyone, what are the negatives of the one up rule?
Dec. 9, 2013
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
73 teams in the 50's for December. 69 teams in the 60+ categories for December. Somebody is doing something right.
Dec. 9, 2013
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
While PJ3P makes a point, you can't compare the "tournament" he's talking about to a SSUSA, SPA, ISSA or any other regular tournament. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

The tournaments PJ3P is talking about is Florida Half Century and I also play. But IMO it's more like a league than a tournament. Instead of playing one game a week (4 games a month) you play all 4 games in a weekend. Similar to other sanctions, you're restricted to where you can pick up players. They basically group the Florida counties into areas and you're players have to live within that area in order to play on the team. Makes sense in an attempt to keep the teams equal and competitive. They also rank teams at the beginning of the year or when they 1st play during the year. As the months go on, you move up or down in the rankings based on your record during a weekend and if you're lucky enough to win your bracket you get an additional 4 points. And yes, it's unlimited home runs and unlimited runs per inning. The down side to all the homeruns and runs per inning is the fact that you don't play complete games, not even close in some instances. It's really not bad for the purpose it serves. It doesn't qualify you for squat, it's not a National and it's definitely not a World tournament. So what, a bunch of Florida guys get together once a month to play some softball, drink some beer, tell old stories and check up on old friends to make sure they're still above ground (one of the best attributes).

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing when I can. But lets not try to make it into the greatest thing since sliced bread. In reality, it's very similar to Major+ - we play the same teams almost every month and every now and then we'll see some new faces. Oh boy!!

IMO I'd rather deal with fair homerun restrictions and play for some type of birth or play in a National or World for that matter.
Dec. 9, 2013
PJ3P
Men's 50
64 posts
Like the Naples Winter National with 1 major+ team!!! Oh boy. LOL
Dec. 9, 2013
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
Yes Pat, there was only 1 team in the Major+ team at the Winter Nationals. Dang, you got me there.

But had we decided to play we would have been playing one of the top teams in the country, some of the best athletes in the country. Can playing in FHC make that same claim? I didn't think so.
Dec. 9, 2013
GeHall44
Men's 55
92 posts
Who likes the HR over the limit DBO rule? Anyone? Forgot to mention my BP Bros who are mishit HR Monsters also - Chris McGriff, Don Owens, Gopher Gold and the young 40's star Eric Swartz!
Dec. 10, 2013
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
I apologize GeHall44 for getting side tracked.

I don't think any player enjoys hitting a ball over 300 feet and having it called an out. I can't speak for everyone but as far back as I can remember I was taught that hitting a homerun was the ultimate, the best single hit a hitter could have. Some of us were fortunate enough to play softball back in the day when you could hit as many homeruns as you wanted and it was fun. But like you mentioned the technology back then wasn't anywhere near what it is today. I'd almost bet that if you took the senior bat out of most players hands they'd quit for any variety of reasons.

Another reason for the HR rules is sandbagging. We all know who they are but nobody wants to say anything because we're friends with some of the guys on the team. Yes, there's a ton of excuses and my favorite one is "we don't have a sponsor". Yes it's true that right now a team has to travel to another state in hopes of finding another Major+ team. But if teams actually played up (instead of down) then there would be 4 or 5 Major+ teams in an area and you'd be able to play more local tournaments which wouldn't cost as much. But at least the sanctioning bodies are trying to find a solution to teams not wanting to play at the appropriate level. I just wish they choke the LOWER divisions with even fewer HRs and DBOs or even inning ending outs. Since Major+ is the top of the top, I believe it should be wide open, balls to the walls hit, play defense or go home.

The way I look at it is that we were lucky to have it count as a walk for as long as we did.

And whenever I get tired of playing by the current associations rules, I should take my money, start my own association, implement my own rules, offer National and World tournaments and give people a choice.

Until then all I can say is when's the next tournament......
Dec. 10, 2013
southernson
250 posts
Beasely,
We were at that National in Naples, played badly, but there was no difference in that Major Plus team and anyone else. Were they better than the FHC teams Blast, Hollis, Clutch ? I don't think so....
Dec. 10, 2013
JohnBob
Men's 60
244 posts
GH44 our team Jim & Joe's from KY likes the rule. We won 60 major in SSUSA world in PHX AZ in 2011. We beat Ruth 23-21 in championship game. The main reasons we won was that we hit about .720 as a team, made some great plays on defense and HR's over the limit were a DBO. The last 2 years we have been playing M+ and won nothing. We play teams close and won some games playing just good enough to not get rerated. Our last lost in Vegas against Jim Brown we lost 21-20 they hit their 9 HR's and one for a walk we hit none. We are a local league team all living within 25 miles of the Mgr. There are players living 3 or more hours away that have asked to play with us in Tourney's but we go with our league team. I have asked for SSUSA to take this in consideration on our rating but we don't lose by enough runs.

The best players in the world the US National team plays with 10 HR's and then DBO. They can hit it 400+ feet or hit a ground ball in the 3-4 hole.
Dec. 10, 2013
Beasley
Men's 50
169 posts
@Southerson - and there's my point.

If the one Major+ team (AMR#1) wasn't that much better than the "FHC" teams they played, then why do they get classified as Major+ while the "FHC" teams you mentioned remain Major?

Should the teams they played get moved up or should AMR#1 get moved down? Just think of the good Major+ tournaments we could have in the Florida if all those teams were moved up......

I wasn't there so I'll have to ask, but were these teams actually FHC teams or did they pick up players from outside the FHC areas? You mentioned Clutch but I think you actually meant Steve Levin which is a mix of guys from the Clutch team (Orlando and outside FHC Area 1) and some of the Steve Levin guys (south Florida and in Area 1). If this was purely a FHC team then I would have to question the powers to be at FHC as to why they're able to pick up players outside Area 1 (and now Area 2).

My comment wasn't made trying to downplay the talent that's in Florida. If it was taken that way, then I apologize. Maybe I didn't word it as well as I should have.

Dec. 10, 2013
PattyMac
94 posts
Can someone from SSUSA please answer the question "why change the rule from walk to DBO"!!!

We play because we enjoy the game, competition and fellowship.

WHY can't yall just leave the game alone. 49 teams in Las Vegas in the major division. I did not hear anyone complaining about the homeruns or walks there.

Is the Las Vegas tournaments going to go by this rule for DBO's?? I for one won't go to these if the DBO rule is in effect.

Again please someone explain to us the players, the ones who pay the entree fees, and the cost of traveling WHY this rule has been changed.

PattyMac
Dec. 10, 2013
DOLFAN
22 posts
I dont have a problem with it. I played in a Major tourny a few months back and a team hit 21 HR's eeeeeer I mean Walks in the 7th inning...It was boring!!!!

Im tired of hearing people whining about HR's. Dudes who are whining probably didnt hit HR's back in the day with the Gray 38 ounce Easton everyone use to use. I bet over 75% of dudes hitting HR's in Senior Softball is probably for the first time and never did it at any level, including Little League.

These Bats are stupid. I say that the 40's and 50's shouldnt use senior bats at all. And one last thing, if you have to shave a senior bat, YOUR WEAK and are a CHEATER!!!

Other than that , Happy Holidays :-)
Dec. 10, 2013
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2581 posts
Pat, my guess is that they are trying to shorten the games. All of those hrs for walks only lengthen the inning. DBO's would shorten the game and hrs that counted as a run would shorten it even more. Let a hr count!
If there were no limit on hrs the inning would end quicker (7 or 9 hrs an inning would end the inning). Only the last inning may possibly be longer.
I hope I'm clear on this.
Dec. 10, 2013
FOFO
Men's 50
160 posts
I would say let them be walks in Major Plus and DBO in all other divisions. Make the plus division more attarctie and the other divisions less attractive to guys that just want to hit bombs.
Dec. 10, 2013
GeHall44
Men's 55
92 posts
Wow, lots of good points and opinions about this rule. I enjoy reading them. I should explain that I love to work on hitting and nothing pleases me more than hitting a screaming line drive to right field for a base hit when the situation calls for it. I am a right handed hitter and believe that everyone that plays slow pitch softball should be able to hit the ball to all fields and hit base hits when required. The thing that I struggle with is that I like to swing hard. With the hottest bats in the world, if you cut the ball just a little bit by mistake, that line drive base hit is going over the fence for a DBO. Wah, I don't like that, hahahahahaha. But, such is life and I would play ball on an asphalt field with a broomstick, rubber ball and still feel love it like I did as a child. Play ball and good luck to all in 2014.
Dec. 10, 2013
PattyMac
94 posts
Last years rules must have been pretty popular with the players, hence the amount of teams in Las Vegas. Not so popular with Big Wheels in the association i guess. Not sure why they go against the demand of the players.

Still no one from SSUSA office letting us know WHY the rule change. Going to get pitchers killed.

Again the guys who pay to play should have their voices heard.

I'm just saying.

PattyMac

Dec. 10, 2013
stick8
1238 posts
PattyMac raises a great question. The individuals who voted for SSUSA to change the over the limit hr rule from a walk to a dead ball out must have an intent or rationale for that. I am also interested in finding out what that was.
Dec. 10, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Stick8,
a guess: DBO one out, person will not be on base. One out closer to a half inning being done.
Do the math on that one. That means shorter game times which equates to the possibility of more games and or more teams entering...lol.
It's a business, not a softball player amusement park which I used to go to and really enjoy. Take your time in games get the 7 innings in with no worry about limits or rules changing all the time, etc etc.
Sincerely, Scrooge. ha ha, err ho ho ho

Play NCSSA , one up. All but 2 parks or fields are 65'. teams rated by performance not players on it. You can be a 'AA' team but pick up a M+ player if short a player or 2, which can be good as well as end up hurting you in the long run. Pro's and cons on that should you win or loose...
Dec. 10, 2013
Adiktiv6
Men's 50
57 posts
PattyMac,
Had you not hit your 80 HRs in Vegas we wouldn't be going through this! I place all the blame on you!

Maybe you should only workout twice a week and learn to dink the ball and become a "complete player", that way Mr. 400 won't be so jealous of you! Just sayin.....lol
Dec. 10, 2013
Marv19
Men's 60
424 posts
Patty Mac
We have been using the limit plus outs for over a year now. Im happy to tell you all our pitchers are alive and well. Just the idea of somebody going box intentionally or unintentionally because of this rule is utter nonsense. Learn to play the game and control your bat trajectory or take up knitting where no one will get hurt.
Dec. 10, 2013
Dbax
Men's 60
1223 posts
I read recently that all knitters are going to be required to wear goggles in 2014.
Dec. 10, 2013
SCRAPPY
25 posts
If you look at the SPA player survey the players overwhelmingly voted for the one up rule after the team has used their allocated homeruns per division.
I think that says what players really want.
Scrappy6
Dec. 11, 2013
Webbie25
Men's 60
1932 posts
I guess I don't understand a DBO at major plus. I can see it being used, in part, to encourage guys to move up if they can regularly hit'em, but from M+ there is no more up. I am disappointed to see that change.
Dec. 11, 2013
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
I GUESS THAT'S WHY THEY MADE THE PITCHERS MASK MANDETORY FOR 2014, BECAUSE NOW WITH THE DBO FOR MAJOR PLUS I'LL BE GETTING DRILLED.....I MIGHT AS WELL BUY THE WHOLE HOCKEY GOALY OUTFIT!!!!!
Dec. 11, 2013
mad dog
Men's 60
3921 posts
mmm....do you seniors feel you are better than TEAM USA,resmondo,etc..as they play with hr limits....and guess what..they don't light up the pitcher....oh most of them do use a mask to play the pitcher spot.......
Dec. 11, 2013
Garocket
Men's 55
115 posts
I like the DBO, as a pitcher it gives me some strategy.
Bases open in the early innings serve up a biscuit let them hit the solo.

I think good major team can now play with a good major plus.

If the major plus players want to play with unlimited homeruns go to, no composite bats allowed in Major plus and let the real men hit some homeruns.

Bet that rule will never happen because the so called homerun hitters would quite the game before they became exposed as the weak hitters they really are.
All they know how to do is hit it hard and hope it goes out.

Most of them were the ones that hit it 274 on the old 275 fences. never worked on the correct skills to exceed and was reborn when composites came out.

If you are a true athelte you will adapt to whatever rule they come out with.

Dec. 11, 2013
DOLFAN
22 posts
I hit BOMBS all day long and dont have a problem with DBO's. Hit them when they count!

@ Mad Dog, you make an Excellent Point !!!
Dec. 11, 2013
PattyMac
94 posts
Hey Marv 19,

What division do you play in that has been using the rule for a year now as you said??

I don't know you and you don't know me so please don't tell me "learn to play the game".

As far as taking up knitting maybe you should try that since probably you can't hit it hard enough to bust a grape.

I was just making a statement which most will agree with, even SSUSA, hence the rule about pitchers wearing a mask.

PattyMac
Dec. 11, 2013
stick8
1238 posts
Mad Dog I must take issue with your statement that teams like Resmondo don't light up the pitcher. I've umpired a few conference tournaments and I've witnessed pitchers getting lit up--big time. Whether it's intentional or not is another story but it does happen.
Dec. 11, 2013
Adiktiv6
Men's 50
57 posts
ooooooh

Hey PattyMac...sounds like Marv19 is another one of those "complete player"!!

Marv19, when you get up to bat, pull out your HOT senior bat, swing as hard as you can at that 44/375 ball and when you hit that 120 ft "seed" of yours and reach 1st base, get yourself a runner so you can go sit back on the bench and finish knitting that sac for your softballs!

GArocket, I would have to say that all of us that are still playing at our age are athletes, some of us are even "true" athletes like you! All of us will adapt to the new rules but that shouldn't stop us from voicing our opinions on the new rules, should it? Just my humble opinion!

Dec. 11, 2013
softball4b
Men's 60
706 posts
Marv 19, reality is: In the last two SCSSA tournaments I played in, Homerun limits were not an issue because the ball used was not going anywhere. There were 5 Hrs hit in 5 games and we hit 4 of them. All against Major and Major+ teams.

PattyMac can hit with anybody in the country and I have never witnessed him intentionally hitting at the pitcher. I think he may have hit at me a couple of times when I was in the field, but that is because of my glove or lack there of. There is a difference though when a true power hitter is forced to hit the ball down. I do not think there is an infielder around that wants to see Bully, PattyMac, or (insert name here)swinging down. Just commonsense. The power hitters in the game are not going to slap hit because the HRs are gone, they are going to hit the ball down and hard. In this instance, you can't legislate safety, good intentions, but I believe the application is lacking in proven results.

MD - I expect HR limits are set for the Super M+ teams because they want to limit game times. IMO - HR limits in Seniors have more to do with sandbagging than anything else.

Garocket - too much of a generalization, composites help no question, but HR hitters hit doesn't matter the equipment. These bats were inserted into the game to entice more players to play, mission accomplished.

HR Rule did not need tweaking. Major+ teams are at a huge disadvantage when forced to play Major teams. 5 runs, plus their HR limits, runs per inning and now DBO outs. If it had to be changed, I agree with Scrappy, 1 up after limit is reached and if you have to, keep the DBO.

Dec. 11, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
I like the new home run rule. I think you the need to add the one up rule would make it more complete. Nowadays, it has no impact on my team or the teams that we play. As for our team, defense has been made an important part of the game, because with the ball being used in tournaments now, there are not too many homeruns being hit. We have played 14 games this season, our team has hit a total of 4 homeruns and our opponents have hit approximately 3. You can see that the homerun rule has absolutely no effect in the 14 games that we have played. In fact, with the ball being used, I have noticed the outfielders playing about 25-30 feet from the fence.

As for the pitching mask rule, I thought having the option of wearing one or not was just fine, and the signing of the score card. Maybe some of the reasons for making it mandatory was due to too many injuries with a few being deadly and the lawsuits that went along with it? Although I have been wearing a mask the past 6 months, I really never felt that a ball could hit me in the face. If that was a possibility, I would not be pitching. Like someone said above, a bad bounce off a pitching rubber is very possible. I once had one take an awkward bounce off the pitching rubber and it almost severed my tendon in my arm. I could not even lift a bat for about 6 weeks. I think we should get rid of the pitching rubbers, but that is another issue. In fact, when I play first base, I usually play in front of the bag, because after pitching, it appears to be too far back and an extra bounce, if I play behind the bag. I kind of go along with the rules, because I just want to play. I will say this though, if we ever go to a pitching screen(other than because of the sun), I will not play anymore.

BTW, Mike and whoever else, hit that ball hard up the middle, because I accept the challenge to get you out. LOL! Please, no apologies if you can hit me, because that is just part of the game.

Have a safe and Happy Holiday Season Ladies and Gentlemen.

JMHO

Andy Smith
Dec. 11, 2013
GeHall44
Men's 55
92 posts
Now boys, let's be nice and respect each others opinions please. It is the Holiday Season after all. I love senior softball because of the camaraderie, competition and love of the game that almost every one involved exhibits on the field. Softball4b - you make a lot of sense to me. I think that weight loss coffee is having a positive effect on your body and mind, eh? I know that it makes me feel great! : )
No one has answered my question yet. How many mishit HR's did you hit in 2013? Do you feel like you are cheating when you pop it up and it goes 301 for a HR? Do you really believe that taking the same swing and hitting the ball down is going to make the game safer? IMO the hot bats are the reason Senior Softball is so popular. If we are going to allow the bats, don't make it a penalty for hitting the ball well. All the big boys hitting down will make me glad I am not playing anywhere in the infield. Even the best base hitters cannot control where the ball goes every time. If they could, they would be playing on the PGA Tour and hitting every fairway and green I hope. Happy Holidays!
Dec. 11, 2013
Mango
Men's 50
80 posts
I too would be interested in hearing SSUSAís rationale for the rule change for plus.

It seems like an overwhelming majority of plus players donít like it.

I agree it makes sense that they do have a DBO in the lower divisions- if you want to hit a bunch of home runs we have a place for you- the plus division.

I'm baffled by this ruling for the plus level.

SSUSA can you explain your reasoning?
Dec. 12, 2013
StevenL.Imlay
Men's 60
53 posts
George brings out a great point why change? You have lots of options besides DBO if you really need to make some adjustments you have other options (many of these have already been posted.) I see more negatives than positives coming out of these rule changes. Please explain the reasoning behind this because I really don't understand.
Do people think Major Plus players can't control their bats? What they do is hit the ball very hard and down when they are trying to not hit the ball out of the park and that is not good news for any of the infielders because a slight mishit is going at someone at a very high rate of speed and bring out unknown factors (such as extra ball movement.) If you think we are trying to hit at other players that just doesn't make sense because the odds of making an out go way up if you do that!

Someone please explain the logic behind this because I don't see it.

SLi
Dec. 12, 2013
Tim Millette
465 posts
I like the new home run rule in terms of making plus ball something other then home run derby.

But....I think the biggest need in Plus ball would be using a MUSH softball ball to make hitting a ball over 350 almost impossible, along with eliminating the LAZERS through the infield.

If PLUS ball is indeed supposed to be the best players we should not need to use some Rock ball that allows for 400+ foot home runs by guys in their/our later half of 50s.

If we are going to push for any change i say......Bring in a sock ball and bring defense and bat skills back into the game...

Oh.....I forgot.....most seniors get all excited to hit LAZERS by infielders not being able to react 90 feet away, and mis-hitting a 5-6 hole line drive 380 out of the park.
Dec. 12, 2013
Tim Millette
465 posts
I think garocket in a post a few up the thread has it right....if we are going to make any rule change...

Make Plus an aluminum only level...if we are the best..we shouldn't need composites....at least do it till the 60 age group.
Dec. 12, 2013
Garocket
Men's 55
115 posts
I know how it feels when you are the home team. score our 5 in the bottom of the 6th to almost catch up. Only behind 18-20 But the top of the 7th the visiting team comes in and unleashed the beast LOL

hit 16 Homeruns in the top of the seventh and went ahead 46 to 18. I know after about 25 minutes I was tired of watching it. We came in and put up 9 but never got close.

Oh and by the way that inning took over 30 minutes because we changed pitchers 3 times to try and break the mo but it never happened
Dec. 12, 2013
PattyMac
94 posts
I would agree to aluminum bats with the 47 ball we used when I first started playing senior ball with Florida Crush.

Don't agree with the mush ball suggestion. SSUSA already has that with the stote ball here in the South with our heat and humidity. No fun anytime hitting a mush ball.

Maybe they can start a new division for those who don't want to hit homeruns and hit a mushy ball. Good luck with getting anyone to play in that division.

I have a lot of my friends who play AAA and I don't know one of them who want to hit a mush ball. And most of them hate the DBO they have to play.

I'm just saying.

PattyMac

Dec. 12, 2013
Lefty
Men's 65
451 posts
One does find out who has the better team in the 7th inning. Blame the TD for making the 5 run rule for each inning until the 7th. The game would have probably finished in the 3rd.
Dec. 12, 2013
Perl
86 posts
Tim, the infamous TM50 on the Old Scout, come on bro no top level player such as yourself can really want to hit a mush ball. If you want to grow the Major + level hitting a mush ball is definitely a step in the wrong direction.

Patty Mac, keep being the voice of reason. For those who have implied Pat needs to take up knitting, is a POS, can't hit the ball down, etc. etc. etc. you are way off base.

Patty Mac has been a top level player for 35+ years and only wants what is best for the game. Guys who work out, take BP and continually work on getting better should be rewarded for their hard work.
Dec. 12, 2013
Adiktiv6
Men's 50
57 posts
I, for one, cannot wait for the new Senior Cryogenic Aluminum Bats (SCAB for short) to come out!! Now that will even out the game and make it so much more fun! You know, it will bring the defense and complete players back into the game!

But, alas, I doubt this wonderful idea will ever happen.....follow the money, fellas......too much being made by the bat companies! God love'em and the awesome products they keep putting out and we old guys keep buying!

Man, I Love This Sport...every bit of it....I love it when I am out in Left Field and someone 50 or 55 or 60 years old hits a monster shot over my head and all I can do is watch it go....and I think to myself how lucky I am, that I am still able to play against guys like that! I say, let the balls fly, let us hit the ball as far as we can for as long as we can! We ALL know that the fellas that can hit the long ball, LOVE to hit the long ball....why punish us for that? I say, let us old farts bask in the glory of our Twilight years(Twilight bat is a damn good bat once it opens up, by the way!), and let us swing for the fences!!!
Dec. 13, 2013
Wayne 37
188 posts
It's SLOWWWWWW pitch softball for Christ's sake. Some of you need to get over yourselves.

So many areas now have adult baseball. Try testing your skills actually playing a game where pitching really matters, catching is actually a position, bases are 90", and stealing is allowed. Oh, and you get to use wooden bats where even greater skill is involved hitting a ball than with the watered down composite bats they used in high school, and college.

Just saying
Dec. 13, 2013
JBTexas
Men's 60
248 posts
Wayne37, you are so right watched their tournament(Roy Hobbs) in Ft. Meyers while we were there for the Winter national, I could paint and watch it dry before one inning was done. Don't doubt their skills but the game is like watching slow motion in real slow speed. I'll stay with our slowww pitch and be able to get home before the new moon rises. If you don't like our games please keep playing baseball.
Dec. 13, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4250 posts
Adiktiv6,
Who makes and or sell this bat and is it even out yet?
Dec. 13, 2013
PattyMac
94 posts
Wayne,

It is slowpitch. It is a game I have loved to play for over 40 years. If you love baseball then go ahead and play it and I will play softball.

I don't even watch much baseball because it is to slow. Just me so don't crucify me for that. haha

Playing major plus for all of my senior softball career I am testing my skills enough.

Each to his own.

PattyMac
Dec. 13, 2013
upitchone
Men's 50
2 posts
So why don't they try the homerun hitter????
Dec. 13, 2013
Paco13
352 posts
Adiktiv6, I need some of whatever you are smoking. I can feel your excitement...I hear you Papi. Guys I just try to be different in reality I don't believe that you big boys or us little people should be penalized for hitting the ball hard. Heck the other day my skin was a little dry so I called few of the fellow Latinos (A Rod, Big Papi, Manny, Canseco, Roldan, Cano, Putch Rodriguez, Sierra, Juan Gonzales...) for advise and they all sent me this lotion...man I don't know if it cure the itching but it sure make gave me a lot of energy and makes me feel so good...I gain ten pounds of pure muscle mass in just three weeks...so I might be able to hit like the big boys...Heck with hitting line drives let us hit bombs...let it rain...let it rain...Just joking. Have fun and always remember...

IF NOBODY LOVES YOU JESUS DOES!!!

PR NINJA OUT!!!

oh by the way I going to PR in December for 14 days (hitting and catching ground balls everyday) if anybody needs a player for any of the TOCs...just send me the flight info. LOL
Dec. 17, 2013
Wayne 37
188 posts
JBTexas & PattyMac, FYI~It's harder than it looks, and I wasn't the one whining in the first place. What good does complaining do?

Try playing a baseball doubleheader on a hot Sunday afternoon. Softball is a walk in the park compared to the real sport.

I've played both, and baseball can get very competitive at the National's in Phoenix. Some teams have gone as far as to fly in a pitcher to pitch one game on a certain day on more than one occasion.

Playing wood bat, the game goes by pretty fast also. You guys complain about senior bats breaking.......oye vay with the Louisville Sluggers.

Just be thankful you can still play.

It's a different animal that will devour you in the blink of an eye. Of an eye I said!!!!
Dec. 17, 2013
PattyMac
94 posts
Wayne,

Like I said, to each his own. If you like baseball then go ahead and play just don't fault us guys who really love playing softball. I gave up baseball after college and haven't looked back.

I am grateful for getting to play this game and high level at 61 years old, bone to bone in both shoulders and now my right knee.

I don't complain about breaking senior bats because it is what it is. Aluminum with a 47 ball would solve this problem.

I'M just saying.

PattyMac
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