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| Nov. 5 dyson 2 posts | After playing 2 AAA teams (65's) on Tuesday and 4 AAA teams on wed,we had to play a 70's Major all-stars from FL with 11 players for our chance at going to the finals.When they went ahead 19-0, we lost our spirit to win.They are in the finals in the 65 AAA and we got to go home to PA. REALLY !!!!!! |
| Nov. 5 RudyG Men's 70 6 posts | Knowing nothing about the specifics of dyson's post, but reading Dave's response, there seems to be a hint of sarcasm? My experience over the years with the two listed PA teams, Bradford White & Spring Ford, always positive competitive players, long-time & successful senior softball participants. Why the criticism directed toward them (whichever team it was) following dyson's posted complaint. Why was not this Florida Major team placed in the 70 AAA bracket? Who is this 70 Major Fl team? If there is more to this story, lets hear it. |
| Nov. 5 DaveDowell Men's 70 4323 posts | OK Rudy ... To avoid offending anyone's sensibilities, **POOF**, the prior post went away ... Here are a few items, on point to consider ... Hopefully this is acceptable to you as it relates your comment "..If there is more to this story, let's hear it.." ... • Dyson's original post (in this thread AND on this Message Board) infers, at a minimum, criticism of our placing a 70-Major team (Venom 70's, a new team of experienced players this year) in with the 65-AAA Division, despite the fact that they carry an identical SSUSA Ratings Index of 4 on the 10 scale ... They are not an "all-star" team any more than his team is an "all-star" team, unless that's what the difference is between a local league team and a traveling tournament team, which they both are ... When we have a "singleton" team, meaning the only team entered in its age/rating level, we endeavor to place them in a bracket with an identical rating index group of teams ... This eliminates giving/receiving equalizers, which is why Venom was not placed in the 70-AAA ... • There were 19 teams in the bracket, so it's not unusual that these teams didn't play during his first six games ... Based on the number of games he had already played, it's also reasonable to assume they met in the Elimination Bracket ... What's significant about that, if true, is that at least ONE other 65-AAA team had to have defeated the 70's team ... • Regardless of the level of play, from Major+ down through AA, our experience over many, many years is that not scoring until your opponent is up 19-0 rarely results in victory ... His BEST case condition is that they were the home team going into the bottom of the 4th and the 70's team had gone 5-5-5-4 (in some order) while he went 0-0-0 through three ... If the game was actually further along, their offensive output was even less effective ... Slow pitch softball is an offense oriented competition ... Failing to score at all for as long as they did is the real reason they lost ... It has nothing to do with having an equal Rating Index team of players five years older than they are in the same bracket ... Any inference to the contrary is incorrect ... Respectfully submitted ... |
| Nov. 5 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | Well said. |
| Nov. 6 RudyG Men's 70 6 posts | Much nicer, thank you & understand the details provided. Again, whoever the 65AAA was, my past experiences both were 1st rate representatives of senior softball, competitive, with positive camaraderie. Thanks again Dave... |
| Nov. 6 dyson 2 posts | Don't you think adding that 11th player up the middle changes the game ? We had just played 6 games with 10 players .But I never played against a Major team ,so I am 70 and not even close as good as these guys . Guess it just me!!!! |
| Nov. 6 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | Hey dyson, you guys sorta got stiffed, however, the 70AAA are happy the 70 Major was moved down with you. A good Major team will overcome the 5 runs they give up with no problem in the same age bracket, been there many times. And in most cased if the Major team is good the next lower age group as your 65 AAA will also need to be Very Good to beat the 70 Major. If the Major was bumbed up for winning a couple local tournaments then those guys are on the average not very strong and will not dominate a lower age group. Feel bad for your group someone that competes in another group was forced on you guys. James |
| Nov. 6 TimMcElroy 942 posts | For what it's woth, the Venom 70s team did not reach the finals in this tournament. They were eliminated at 8am on Thursday and finished tied for 7th. |
| Nov. 6 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | Dyson claims that the 70's Major team was in the finals. Tim says they finished 7th. What's the scoop? |
| Nov. 6 DaveDowell Men's 70 4323 posts | Tim is the SSUSA National Director running the N. Collier facility this week. I'm betting on him being correct. |
| Nov. 7 birdie Men's 70 802 posts | We played the same 70 team our 2nd game of DL. They have a good team. You need to hit and play defense in every game that you play. We did not do either so we lost. However the extra man is huge for them and I think that is the biggest advantage that they had. It makes a difference one team playing with 10 defenders and one with 11. I do think that this needs to be looked into, Thanks Harry #20 Northern Va. Force. |
| Nov. 7 mck71 Men's 60 344 posts | From what I understand, if they were a Major 70 team playing in a 65AAA, there should not have been any advantage given since as Dave stated above, both have the same Rating index of 4. They technically should have had a "disadvantage" because they should only be allowed to hit 3HR's, the AAA HR Rule. Birdie, if you have to play them with 10 and they had 11, then unless I am missing something, that is an issue. |
| Nov. 7 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | You are correct Birdie, just another reason to do away with the 11th man in 70's. Hard to find any that want the 11th guy! Any reason why the rule was implimanted? Seems to be more of a Church picnic or opening day T-Ball type rule. Where the more the merrier, it's just for fun......not a sincere competitive game. |
| Nov. 7 crusher Men's 75 524 posts | curveball- Most 70+ played against do not need the 11th man (imo). 75+ seems ok w/o the 11th player, played against some and watched some, not all though. Now I do believe 80+ do need the 11th fielder. We start out T-Ball and finally work our way back there. lol |
| Nov. 7 OZ40 549 posts | If I remember correctly, Collier fields have longer than 300 ft. fences, I wonder if the extra outfield space played a factor. |
| Nov. 7 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | LOL crusher. Think you may be correct on the age groups. Every 70+ team I asked said do away with the 11th man! |
