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| Oct. 22 coop3636 514 posts | Batters mishits a ball (short pop up) that lands in fair territory and bounces over the foul line. The catcher (with both feet in fair territory) reaches over the foul line and catches the ball in the air. He throws the batter out at first. The ump rules it a foul ball because the ball was in foul territory when the catcher caught it even though he was in fair territory. I agree with this call, but my catcher doesn't. I asked almost 20 different umps and coaches and the vote was split 50/50 on if it was foul or fair. Please give me a decision from the rules committee. Thanks Coop3636 |
| Oct. 22 DaveDowell Men's 70 4323 posts | FOUL BALL ... The position of the BALL, and not any potential fielder, at the moment of first contact controls ... Ball was outside the fair/foul line and, accordingly, it's a FOUL ... |
| Oct. 22 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Dave, I was playing first and you are correct, it did spin about one foot foul and was called correctly. |
| Oct. 22 lb16 Men's 60 198 posts | Don't understand why this is so confusing. And for 50% of the umpires to not know the answer is unbelievable it is always where the ball is in relation to being fair or foul. |
| Oct. 22 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | lb16, my umpire partner and I ran into this in a state tournament in northern Indiana. He was like, "Watch this". Yes, those umpires actually all believed firmly that it was the position of the fielder, not the ball. I know that a lot of players believe it as well. "Oh, but he's in fair territory." Well, yes, he is, but the ball is not. This is a perfect example of why clinics are important. Unless of course they all learned it consistently wrong in the same clinic. |
| Oct. 22 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | Coop, this belongs to that set of rules that I call heart rules. You just cannot convince some people about what is correct no matter what you say. So you were causing trouble in Myrtle Beach too? I hope that you had a great hitting weekend. |
| Oct. 22 coop3636 514 posts | I am always causing trouble..lol I had a terrible weekend hitting, but always have a good time I wish there was a place I could show this rule in a situation book somewhere, he will not believe me. I try to know the rules so when I argue, I know what I am arguing about. We are done with tournaments until next year, just a few league games left. I was a pretty good year and playing softball is always good. coop3636 |
| Oct. 22 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | Well, Coop, at least you were out playing the game that you love. Sorry that your bat wasn't behaving. With what I call heart rules, no amount of explaining or examples will change a person's mind because they believe something else. You are more than welcome to send him to me, but he probably will not change his mind if he really believes that it is where the fielder is. Only the ball matters. It sounds like Bruce also enjoyed his time with you and your team. At least those ball fields were still there after the hurricane. Panama City did not have as good of luck on that. |
| Oct. 23 BruceinGa Men's 70 3233 posts | Nancy, you should have seen Coop argue with the umpires about the clock. The home plate umpire called time, saying finish this inning and then open inning. Bret said no, we have another 10 minutes. Umpire said we started at 8:20am. We were one player short so I know we wouldn't have started early. Anyway, he argued for 10 or 15 minutes but didn't convince the tournament director. :) |
| Oct. 24 coop3636 514 posts | Yes I did argue, because I was right The extra inning "could" have helped us win that game. Umpires should be there to umpire, not to try and show up the players. He was show boating from the start of the game. Even the other scorekeeper had the starting time at 8:29 OH well, lesson learned. From now on, I will set my timer on my phone in front of the umpire so we don't get screwed again. If tournaments would use the scoreboards, there would not ever be this problem. Thanks Bruce, you got me mad all over again. lol PS. I let messages for those 2 players coop3636 |
| Oct. 24 DaveDowell Men's 70 4323 posts | coop ... As a Director, I instruct the umpire(s) to write the time of first pitch on the upper left corner of the scorecard ... It's the only way to easily resolve this timing issue, and it works to protect the teams, too, as a hedge against the ump(s) getting a case of the timing "shorts" ... |
| Oct. 24 Nancy Allen Men's 55 1438 posts | Bruce, I would have liked to be there. Butch said to tell you hello. If Coop's scorekeeper would attend games, perhaps she could have batted her eyes at the umpire and solved it, but I doubt it. I actually had an umpire suspended from ASA for a year, not because he cheated our clock which is our rule but because of what he said loudly that everyone heard. Yes, I wrote it up. It is a good story over an adult beverage rather than sharing it here. Coop, where the heck is that scorekeeper? That's right she was umpiring in a sandstorm in Indy. 45 MPH winds actually took a homerun ball and brought it back into the field of play for a catch and an out. I was absolutely sandblasted. Unfortunately you are not going to win in that situation. Clock cheaters will never admit to what they are doing. The story that I described above was a perfect example. As you said even the other team acknowledged that the time was wrong for us as well. I hope to catch up with you soon. Does your team do spring training? |
