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Discussion: This FUSS w/ PAT & the lil\' KIDZ.....

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Sept. 22, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
This FUSS w/ PAT & the lil' KIDZ.....
CURTY & the REST: The group of men that run the Kidz team, have no one to blame but, theirselfs. In Vegas, there r a hand full of Grown Men, that will not play w/ 3-4 of the Kidz players.

TRUE--- some of these Vegas Men, may not be Major Plus Players anymore.....So, play in the Major Plus Division & get beat. NOOOOO. All u want to do is win! This ACTION that u have & r tak', is the REASON WHY many SENIORS in the SW, WILL NOT play ball on the Kidz Team.

( Skinny Dugan's, Lady Luck, the Stingers, Kidz)

Several of the Kidz players have burned players, bridges, relationships, & had huge egos, etc, etc. Plain & Simple, very few players in the SW, will play ball w/ several of the Kidzs Men.

The Men that run Kidz, R act like very small, petty, lil' brats. Rules, who gives a damn about the rule that will NOT let Pat ,jump to another team? U call ur'selfs Major Plus Players........

Kidz players, r us' the excuss that Pat, said many nasty & rude things to D.B.'s.... I have said many rude & nasty things to DB., myself. I try to stay away from DB & several of the Kidz players.

Yes, my actions @ time has been in poor taste, rude, insult', etc. I CAN NOT blame anyone 4 my actions but, myself. There r men that do not want me on their team. That feel's is mutual.

I still try & do respect some of these men, but, it is in MY BEST INTEREST, to stay far from this team. I am NOT the only Vegas Player that has this thought.

4 those of u Seniors that do not know the Vegas Senior history, I have listen to & been told by several Vegas Seniors, that this matter w/ Pat, is REVENGE & PETTY.

Both teams hate each other. Do NOT forget what happen in Reno, in June. ect, etc, etc...

Try ask' the follow' questions? The leaders of the Kidz team: 10 How many Vegas players have these men tried to get suspended?? 2) How many Vegas men in this age the age group of 55, 60, & 65, will not play w/ this team? 3) How many Worlds have the Kidz won & used ILLEGAL PLAYERS?? 4) How many times have the Kidz players went to the TD's, cried, wanted the rules changed, the wind @ their backs, etc, etc?? I will clear this last point.

After cheat', how many times have the Kidz, turned in another team 4 do' just what the Kidz where do'?? 5) Over the last 10 yrs, how many Worlds did the "FAB 4" win , by fil' protests?? 6) Filed & lost??

It is WRONG, to keep any player in any Division, that wants out.....PERIOD.

The conversations that took place where w/ Men, 52 to 70 yrs ol'. Major Plus players r surposed to be the best players in their age groups. Stop cry' & just play ball 4 the fun & not some DAMN RING........

I can't win.... I can't win.... I'M MELTING, The STONEMAN
Sept. 22, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
WHAT NO REPLIES? Good, here is more reasons what or why, the Kidz have a hard time field' a team.

1) U-Trip @ Salem, 7 yrs or so. The 55 Major Plus Vegas team, tired to have two 50 AAA Vegas players Suspended 4 one yr. "Kidz" lost, their appeal.

2) 2 yrs ago, @ Hutch', the Kidz brought one of the best 55 runners to Hutch', Ks. Kidz, went 0 & 4. This man should have ran 2 -4 times / game. My friend, ran only once.

3) 4 yrs ago @ St. G. Used a East Coast player. This man, later said, No thanks to the "KIDZ". Do u think that the player that sat that bench was happy???

4) I know & have been told by @ least 6 players that they will never play 4 the Kidz again. There r a few players that did not want to be named or get involved. Let's NOT forget Pat. Did the Kidz, lie to Pat??

5) Over the past several yrs, how many times @ the end of July, did the "Kidz", start look' 4 the next yr. Started build' their NEXT YR team in Aug.' & not in Nov."?? ( How many players did thr "Kidz" force out?) This was done 2 yrs ago.

6) Until 2 - 3 yrs ago, the "Kidz", had 2 well known bat doctors on their team. Wonder why, NO one will play 4 the "Kidz"????

7) Ask Jack Taylor, a 55 coach, who will be the Field Director @ Freedom Park the 26th, about " Setting Up to Cheat"!!

8) What about their loud mouth player ( that was UMP'), accused Terell ( out of Fla), last yr @ Freedom of us' an ILLEGAL / ALTERED U-2 BAT? That bat 2 days earlier belonged to Rick, who traded me that heavy ( 30 oz) Bat 4 a 28 oz U-2.

Do any of u SENIORS wonder why , NO one will play 4 the "Kidz"?? I DO NOT need an ALTERED / ILLEGAL BAT & neither does Rick or Terell (Cowboy).

9) Who went to the LVSSA BOARD & got the Club's prez to rule 4 the "Kidz" & ban Pat T.?? LVSSA, has it's own Board & sets their own rules...... LVSSA, does not have to follow SPA or SS-USA.......

What about some of u AZ players, any commits? Any stories?? NO, AZ DOES NOT stand 4 Armillo Zoo!

How many of the "Kidz" players, over the past 2 - 3 yrs, have been given their release, by other teams

The STONEMAN......
Sept. 22, 2007
Cognac Lite
Men's 50
32 posts
Stoney,

I don't know anything about the team or the guys are you are talking about. I read your message pointing out certain incidences that may have brought attention to certain individuals. I am writing this because you mentioned Terell of Florida being accused of using an altered bat.

If Terell of Florida is T-Rex as we know him, his character is beyond reproach. From the short time that I have spent with him, he would rather swing a broom stick than to use an altered bat. I hope he doesn't mind me writing this, but T-Rex is well into his 50's and has never had a drop of alcohol. Why? It's because of his Christian beliefs. I wasn't there, but I feel safe to say that T-Rex was hitting seeds or bombs and talking smack. There are a lot of REAL men on the circuit who can hit without CRUTCHES.

See you soon,

Your Brother
Sept. 22, 2007
BruceinGa
Men's 60
2641 posts
If you are talking about the Terrell that plays with our team, Hollis/Combat/Truncell, he lives in Warner Robbins, Ga. He doesn't, and to my knowledge, has never used an altered bat in a game. He may lose composure at times but I don't believe he would ever resort to cheating.
Sept. 22, 2007
TheNextGeneration
Men's 50
307 posts
Stoneman,

If this team has that much bad history, the obvious question is why did this guy sign with them to beging with?

Buyer beware.
Sept. 24, 2007
CRUSADERVB
Men's 65
272 posts
MR. STONE, I'M ONE OF THE AZ. PART-TIME PLAYERS FOR THE KIDZ4EVER TEAM. IN NOVEMBER I WILL FINALLY BE OLD ENOUGH TO PLAY 60'S WITH THE KIDZ. EVERY 2-3 YEARS I CAN PLAY WITH THE KIDZ FOR 2-3 YRS THEN I HAVE TO STAY DOWN BECAUSE OF MY AGE. TO ME, THE KIDZ TEAM ARE THE NICEST BUNCH OF GUYS I HAVE EVER PLAYED WITH. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PAT TOBIN SITUATION AND THE FUED WITH THE OLD A'S. I PLAYED WITH PAT IN A COUPLE OF TOURNAMENTS THIS YEAR WITH THE KIDZ AND FOUND HIM TO BE ONE OF THE BEST OUTFIELDERS AND HITTERS IN THE GAME TODAY. IF HE'S NOT PLAYING WITH THE KIDZ I WILL REALLY MISS NOT PLAYING WITH HIM, I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. I DON'T LIVE IN VEGAS AND DO NOT KNOW ABOUT ALL THE POLITICKING THAT GOES ON THERE, BUT AS FAR DAVE, AL BUTCH, FREDDIE, HANK, PRO, JIM, JERRY THEY HAVE ALWAYS TREATED ME GREAT AND I HAVE NEVER HAD MORE FUN PLAYING WITH THESE GUYS. AS FOR THE REST OF THE PLAYERS ON THE TEAM, THEY ALL SEEM LIKE SUPER GUYS , I JUST DON'T KNOW THEM AS WELL YET.
AS FAR AS THE ''FUED'' WITH THE OLD A'S, HAVING PLAYED AGAINST THEM MANY TIMES THEY ALSO SEEM LIKE NICE GUYS AND I HAVE RECIEVED SEVERAL COMMENTS AFTER EACH GAME FROM VARIOUS PLAYERS; ALWAYS POSITIVE. I THINK THE CIVIL WAR ENDED MANY YEARS AGO, I PLAYED IN A FEW OF THE TOURNAMENTS THAT YOU MENTIONED AND DON'T RECALL ANY OF THOSE SITUATIONS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP
SO CAN'T WE JUST SHOW SOME LOVE STONEMAN
SEEY YOU ON THURSDAY FOR BP!!!
Sept. 24, 2007
STONEMAN
Men's 50
535 posts
RON: 1 BIG FAT NO. Shall we bring up Prescott? Round Robbin b.s.

I am sure that Ted B, & the Prescott Seniors were not happy w/ the MOB & the KIDZ. There will be New Rules, because , the KIDZ, tried to get the MOB, tossed out of that Tourney. GSF, did not try, so, why did the KIDZ?

The MOB, would not play GSF. A forfeit. So, the KIDZ, "demaned" that the MOB, get tossed. So, those jerks, , YES, I am call' the KIDZ, jerks, forfeited to the MOB & did NOT play the MOB.

NO, GSF, did NOT demand that both the MOB & KIDZ, forfeit.

Ron, u were there & the BAD BLOOD, will stay BAD.

I am begain' to wonder about u Ron. Take care & I truly am look' FORWARD to twick' ur Nose. (_!_)

Best of Luck Always...... The STONEMAN
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