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| April 16 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | If your a 50 team any division within a few hundred miles of Las Vegas can you share the reasons why you are not attending the 4-25 and 26 event. The rules and equipment are very player friendly, which is really puzzling. If the thoughts are constructive I'll pass along to the club directors. It happens about the same time every year so not knowing about it seems far fetched. |
| April 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Chances are economic, but no real info is available on the web site like teams entered or much else other than venues and hotels... All need to be received back via email. Piss poor site in my opinion. always has been for trying to get any sort of information. Don't forget also there these just before this, at same time or just after, Oxnard, Seattle and San Deigo, as that one. As I posted, too many going on, so best value or bang for the buck, and overall tournament will win out. I don't see it changing any time soon. |
| April 17 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | - Money's an issue for sure - Lack of meaningful separation/definition regarding other Associations - Tournaments are less and less enjoyable given dumbing down trend in equipment and the all to frequent changing of rules. This has disturbed the fabric of our community sufficiently that belief in ongoing fulfillment/enjoyment cannot be grounded - Lack of belief that those running tournaments like LVSSA or SSUSA have a clue about what players want/ expect/need I think advertising and definition different from SSUSA, Joe, that LVSSA hasn't done enough of would signal to all that good times are in order and will be in the future. I've already been talking about LVSSA in the fall and the rules being more suitable to senior ball with lots of players in and out of the state and their won't be a problem with attendance there, I'm willing to bet. that |
| April 17 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | " Tournaments are less and less enjoyable given dumbing down trend in equipment and the all to frequent changing of rules. This has disturbed the fabric of our community sufficiently that belief in ongoing fulfillment/enjoyment cannot be grounded - Lack of belief that those running tournaments like LVSSA or SSUSA have a clue about what players want/ expect/need" What a crock of B.S. |
| April 17 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Not where I come from and not what I hear and talk about with my buddies. Sometimes the truth hurts, Dave and you've got my email if you want to chat. |
| April 17 Dirty Men's 50 1371 posts | Dbax, you hit the nail on the head, just like what must have happened to "einstein". |
| April 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Don't count SSUSA out of the game yet (they have some of the best in the bus) but look at what they are facing: U-trip is paying some attention it seems, and though their are many things I don't like, some of it evens out. http://www.Madnessinfo.com/ Check out this months offerings. They are all over CA now where a couple of years ago there were about half as many T's. NSA is loosing ground as I see it and i talked to a player last nite who is trying to get Granite Park back in shape and give it a go again. As it is now the grass is more less dead. But some games were played last nite, so there is hope for a run down FOD park. |
| April 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Yes, I know this was about LVSSA originally but SSUSA also has a vested interest in the city. And we all know sometimes a bad experience some where reflects on going back no matter where the real "blame games" lies. |
| April 17 Robo2 238 posts | My opinion; why would I want to spend the money to travel to be allowed to hit 1 or 2 HRs and then be told you are too good and now they are outs! Does a shortstop get told you now need to take your glove off because you have made too many double plays. There is no greater sinking feeling than to hit a ball well only to be told you hurt your team. And no! I don't believe I need to change the way I hit. That is a bunch of bull so don't even go there. |
| April 17 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | Robo2 what are you smoking. Tell Booney to get me some of that. Have you ever played LVSSA rules? This thread was started about why no 50 teams came to LVSSA. I'm with Mango on this one. This tournament should be supported. I spent the whole winter reading about this crappy rule and this association has gone overboard on and on and on much like my post. LVSSA has the best rules PERIOD if you like offense. We got 1 AA, AAA and 2 major plus 50 teams to bite. Needless to say from a scheduling standpoint this became a problem and I don't believe there will be any 50's. Every upper team within driving distance of Las Vegas should have been here given the amount of postings that went on over the winter. This tournament is placed very nicely between the Spring Worlds and Reno. IF you are within driving distance to Vegas the rooms are priced to sell. With the amount of space that was devoted to HR's as outs etc. this tournament should have had a large number of upper teams and those that fancy themselves as HR hitters attending. I get the economy the website not so much the woman, 55's and 60's seemed to find the info they needed just fine. Me personally the economy makes sense and the fact most players don't give a rats ass about HR's as outs or the PPR rule (OR LVSSA SPRING EVENT WOULD BE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS WITH UPPER TEAMS LINING UP TO HIT ALL THE BALLS THEY WANT OVER THE FENCE) and they go where they get the best cusomer service. |
| April 17 Robo2 238 posts | Once agian, you miss the point. Money is tight for many. so then we pick and choose where we go based on the idea of having fun. To me haviong fun is not being restricted by individuals that can't hit that way so they make up rules to limit what others can do. The money is not just flying. It includes hotels, food, toruney costs, etc. So if one asks a question of why few teams attend or not attend, then one should be prepared for an answer. Everyone has reasons for their choice. Apparantly some do not like the reasons that other have and resort to personal remarks. That is your choice, not mine. |
| April 17 Lecak Men's 60 1026 posts | Robo2 LVSSA is giving the players exactly the rules they want. We have the best rules for exactly what you are advocating. Major plus has unlimited HR's and we use the X-Rock ball the best 44/375 I have ever hit. The major division has 7 HR's 1 up and singles and I believe AAA has 2 HR's no 1 up but any ball hit over the fence is a single. The rules are exactly or better than what everyone has been griping about yet there will be no 50 age teams. LVSSA and SSUSA are two entirely separate organizations. |
| April 17 Robo2 238 posts | I will grant you, better than most. But a far cry from sying that it gives all softball players exactly what we want. That is too much of an assumption and one should think twice about making such generalizations. |
| April 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | Robo2, What I think Joe is trying to say about LVSSA is that they are trying to accommodate the players to the best ability they can and continue to change as things progress. I doubt anyone can say there is a specific assn that has ALL THE ANSWERS for all of us let alone for any one specific tournament. Just surprised at the low turn out. I am also. None of us are happy about every tourney detail at any given tournament. |
