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| June 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | On the Midwest Championship termination: Read the rule below, it's interesting. SECTION 15 ADVERSE WEATHER 15.1 TOURNAMENT COMMITTEE DECISION 15.1(1) TOURNAMENT PLAYED OR MODIFIED SSWC Qualifiers and World Championships alike may be played in adverse weather conditions much like a football game. Players accept these conditions when entering. If it becomes necessary in the judgement of the Tournament Committee, playing procedures may be modified. If game times must be reduced because of time limitations due to inclement weather, or other Acts of God, the fol- lowing method may be considered: Batters have a one/one count when they enter the batter’s box. If there is even more of a time restriction, then the batter may be allowed only one strike. 15.1(2) TOURNAMENT TERMINATED If, in the opinion of the Director(s), a Senior Softball World Championships must be terminated prior to its conclusion because of adverse weather or other Acts of God, the tournament will not be postponed beyond its ending date. Should this unlikely event occur, refunds OFFICIAL GUIDE will be made at the discretion of the SSWC Executive Board. In no event will refunds be made after (2) two games have been played. There is no guarantee of any refund. Participants must realize that no one can control weather or other Acts of God. 15.1(3) STANDINGS IF TOURNAMENT IS TERMINATED If for any reason (such as inclement weather) a tournament must be terminated, game standings at that point will determine the champions. 15.2 A COMPLETE GAME A game becomes official upon completion of 4-1/2 innings if the home team is ahead, or 5 innings if the visiting team is ahead. Incomplete games will be played at the discretion of the Tournament Committee. At the discretion of the Tournament Director, and with agreement of the manager of the losing team, games may be called after 4 innings if the winning team is ahead by 15 runs. |
| June 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r Discretion is the key here, on SSUSA's part Mid way down, the "Official Guide" got copied and pasted along with the rest. This is on Page 94 or so in the book. |
| June 17 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r Discretion is the better part of valour, humm maybe...? discretion (noun) = 1 the quality of behaving in such a way as to avoid causing offence; 2 the freedom to decide what should be done in a particular situation valour (noun) = great courage in the face of danger Shakespeare, in Henry IV, Part One, 1596: 'The better part of valour is discretion; in the which better part I have saved my life.' A journalist should appreciate that...or, maybe not. |
| June 18 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r taits...With that said, should a team be moved up a division based on "A DECLARED" champion. Case in point...We were moved after being "Declared" the winner due to weather. |
| June 18 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r My opinion (not that it would bean a damn thing to anyone) is hell no. There is passage in the rules pages 83\84 about playing 3 different tournaments before that move either way I imagine can\would\should happen. Problem is it does not specify which, nor if they go back a number of tournaments or even years for that "process" they are mentioning. My feeling is that tournaments are worded wrong. A qualifier should be to get into to play in a national or the like, I think RENO, as an example, is really two different tournaments a national and a Q to get to Phoenix or Florida. Maybe Mesquite next year... But to move up or down, based on a shortened tournament NO. Where\which were the other TWO tournaments needed for that basis? That is the question that deserves a reply. My opinion & their rule. |
| June 18 SSUSA Staff 3505 posts | r • The only SSUSA Tournament win (except Major+) that brings with it an "automatic" rating move upward to the next higher level is the World Championships in Phoenix. SENIOR SOFTBALL SUMMIT Rules Agreement on this issue: "According to an agreement between the 10 National Softball Associations, teams winning first place in divisions of more than 2 teams in any of the 10 National Association final championships are moved up in rating for the next season. Teams winning in divisions of between 3-5 teams may appeal their rating after playing in three tournaments at their new rating. There is no appeal for the 2009 season for teams that won a National Final in divisions of 6 or more teams. Teams are considered the same team regardless of name if they retain 6 or more players from the winning team – even if the team "ages up". Teams winning the Huntsman Games do not automatically move up because the association allows open rosters." • There were no "declared" champions in the recently concluded Midwest Championships. All ages and divisions had their Champions determined on the field of play through elimination bracket formats. |
| June 18 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r That should have been worded 3 national "qualifying" tourneys, So if it were a national championship, perhaps that will be their justification. But I would think, NOT one terminated for weather, After a major tournament (non qualifier), I might well agree with it. I've seen teams win 3 in a year and never move. That's not right either. If they are getting input from the TD's along the way, and if they (TD's) are really doing their job actually watching and looking at the scores as I believe is supposed to be done, Perhaps it will move teams around, maybe not. Where there is a will, there is a way to manipulate the system. |
| June 18 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r I was about to post that too, but caught your answer in time...Thanks Dave. |
| June 18 Corky Men's 55 451 posts | r I'm glad Dave brought in the rule book on this one. It might save us some bantering when we apply to move down, since we were never given justification for the move in the first place. Taits heres the situation:...Won Midwest Championships last year as AAA. Went to the IF game against a AA team. They beat us 19 to 8 in the first game. We beat them by 1 in the IF. We won the ISA worlds in St. Louis when the tournament was called due to Weather. Those are the only 2 we won and they both have an aserisk * beside them??????? Hope Dave is listening.....maybe we can get a response now. Thanks BTW we haven't won a single game this year. |
| June 18 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r Not sure what the * asterisk is for, but I'd sure find out if I were you. (Might be the cancelled T). As for winning against a AA team & your team being a 3A, I'd think it should not count too highly towards an all out win count. Perhaps a little closer look at the AA team should be going on as well. Was that no GAMES won, as you wrote, or no tournaments won all year. Big difference. If you re-organized, & changed a lot of players since the win in the If game mentioned, that should have some bearing on any decision as well. For myself, it all comes down to SSUSA and how you read their rules or how it's actually used. Not all are done the same, in a consistent manner. I like the no appeal for winning a "National Final" with 6 teams, but your "division" may in reality have less teams your age and or rating. Far too many major tournaments have less than the magic number 6. I do not believe it is fair to make teams wait until they play 3 more tournaments to be able to appeal a move. Why not just make it playing in divisions of equal rating and age with 5 teams. That 3 tournament wait for a consideration for a change, has other implications. Sarcastic note: I hope that loss leading to the IF game wasn't a sandbag or name change. I say that because it goes on, not as bad as it used to be but still there. No accusation meant. As has been posted many time by many players, this is the best assn out there. None however, are perfect, few do or have made changes players request, or demand in some cases, and a assortment of other rules made were not well thought out or worded so they can readily be understood. That included those trying to uphold them (umpires\TD's) as well as those trying to play by them. Dave reads this, listens and replies when he feels it is necessary. Like the above. One might call him the editor in chief...lol Heck, what do I know, less than many.... |
| June 18 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | r Would someone please post under which Rule section number will you find the equalizer awarding\giving 7 runs for 70\75 year old teams. I find it for women as a special rule add on for 2008, but not men. No mention in the 2009 add on rules. Have not seen a team receive more than 5 runs in years...Just thought I'd read the section. Thanks |
