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July 5, 2009
dud
7 posts
pitcher
in slow pitch can a pitcher "double dip: before delivering the ball? the pitcher shows the ball, swings arm back in pitching motion, returns ball to glove, swings are back again in pitching motion and the delivers the ball.
July 6, 2009
kbl
Men's 60
528 posts
dud, since no one else answered your ?, i will attempt.

go to home page of SSUSA, click on tournaments "rules". scroll to page 44 and go section 6--go to rules 6.5 and 6.6. maybe this will help. ken
July 6, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
A pitcher can do anything he wants until the ump calls the pitch "illegal". And they don't always catch everything.
July 6, 2009
armiho211
Men's 70
409 posts
if the pitcher is going to feint the pitching motion to try to gain the advantage, and the umpire is not going to call anything, as a batter i would call time out and step out of the box. two can play this game. only thing i am in doubt of, once the pitcher starts the motion, is the batter allowed to call a time out ? most umpires will stop this nonsense before it goes too far, it creates bad feelings among the players. it's not worth it, unless there is beer on the line.
July 6, 2009
LP
280 posts
dud the pitcher is suposed to deliver the pitch on the first forward motion towards the batter.
July 6, 2009
SLOBALL1
Men's 50
173 posts
You're right LP. One forward motion past the hips.
July 6, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
If playing U-trip, the rules change once you present the ball, as you have to do in all the assns.
It pays to read the rules you play under.
I say that because dud did not specify which assn rule(s).
July 6, 2009
Omar Khayyam
990 posts
My first year in senior softball, one of my first tournaments, we are facing a lefthander who does everything you've ever seen a pitcher do: steps to the side; takes no step; starts from edge of rubber; raises hands high over head to present the ball; etc. All of it legal, since he did present the ball and it only passed his hip once. But of course it was a distraction to our batters.

I decide two can play at this game, so I go into a full windmill windup from my fast pitch days and throw a legal knuckleball. "Illegal pitch" the umpire calls on my beauty which freezes the batter and should be the called third strike.

I rush to the plate. "What was illegal about that pitch? I only passed my hip once." Umpire realizes he has blown it. "You were trying to fool the batter!!" Duhh. LOL

I have since learned to always alert the umpire if I intend to throw a full windup windmill pitch so I don't embarrass him or waste a good strikeout pitch.
July 7, 2009
Dirty
Men's 50
1375 posts
The batter can NEVER "call" time, he can only request it.
July 7, 2009
LP
280 posts
i'm sorry i assumed dud was talking about real softball, it never crossed my mind to think about usssa thats where clowns go to play ball.
just my opinion, i've played it and never want to do that again.
July 7, 2009
Lecak
Men's 55
1006 posts
LP why is USSSA clown softball? A good UTRIP pitcher is worth his weight in gold. I think they do the best job including what the seniors do, just my opinion. Best pitcher I've ever hit against was UTRIP, pitched B a few years ago in Southern California. Had to assume the only reason he didn't pitch open was he couldn't hit. He comes out in all white everything glove, long sleeves. Almost impossible to pick up the ball with all his movement before pitching, I scratched out a 3 for 3 against him, still don't know how.
July 10, 2009
outlaw
Men's 50
24 posts
LP...unlike other assoc., USSSA pitchers have a larger chance to have an impact with their pitches. They still have corners to pitch too, and can vary speed moderately. A catcher can actually catch a pitch and it still may be a strike.
Personally, I dislike the mat, eliminates the "corners", just seems to give the hitters another advantage in a hitters game.
I played USSSA in New England for many years and found it the most enjoyable slo-pitch experience. Thanks.....
July 10, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
About you only see any more is pitcher movement to the left, right, forward or back with the pitch, but the art is in the under leg and behind the back release. You won't see that here in SSUSA or NCSSA. That takes a lot of work to get it right.
The modified pitch is nice as well, a strike zone rather than hitting a mat is used.
Another seldom seen now is unlimited height.
July 10, 2009
Omar Khayyam
990 posts
Ahhh, the unlimited height. The only slow pitch no-hitter I ever had, and most of my career slow pitch shutouts were in the year of unlimited arc. Batters hated it, of course, and it didn't last, but while it did there were some exciting 2 to 3, 4 to 3 games. I admit it was a real handicap for a team whose pitcher couldn't throw 25-30 feet and still land right behind the plate.
July 10, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Yes, great way to go if you have a guy that can control it.
Church leagues down here still use it. But most pitchers don't have the height over 18 or so, control. I liked the 30+ toss.
Look at U-trip with 3-10 feet now, all meat balls served on platters. Kinda hart to give a good toss or pitch and NOT have it go over 6 feet if you release it at about your neck line but many are called flat. (under 6)
Height should be raised & it might help the middle shot issue. Timing might change the ball direction just enough.
July 13, 2009
homefry
Men's 55
11 posts
new on the board...but as a pitcher, unlimited is the only way to go. Between the shots up the middle, HR's over the fence, I get tired of being "limited" on what I control. Even if I throwing 12-13 it still feels like meat.

Let me field (no PPR), and pitch the way I can pitch, and let's go at it....
July 13, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Welcome to the board.
Well your not alone in that thought, but only a hand full of those that control what goes on actually pitch, The others wouldn't or couldn't pitch if they had to.
jmo.
July 13, 2009
homefry
Men's 55
11 posts
Thanks Tait...

We played this weekend in Bend, Oregon--I went up to our opponents after the game to apologize for a halo call (1st inning ) that was against them.

(of course, they were upset...I told them to bring em at me...)

no competitive tendencies there

Still wish I could bring my best against their best.....
July 13, 2009
taits
Men's 65
4345 posts
Just move it around best you can within the guidelines.
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