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Discussion: TOC 2010

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Aug. 17, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
TOC 2010
My team gualified for the TOC 2010 in Polk County Florida in the AAA Division. Since then we have been moved up to Major, which we are fighting (that is another story). Can we still play in the TOC 2010 at AAA since that is what we qualified at? No one at SSUSA seems to want to give us a straight answer.
Aug. 17, 2009
grumpy55
Men's 60
102 posts
Weather, Unless they changed, which I do not think they did, you will play at the division you qualified in. So you would play AAA.
Aug. 17, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Thanks grumpy55. I hope so. This mid-season move to Major really messed up our plans. We have pretty much canned going to Phoenix and will likely go to Florida in February if they let us plan AAA.
Aug. 18, 2009
pete13ia
Men's 50
16 posts
Weatherman,
You will be playing "AAA" but all teams that are invited to the TOC have won a "big" tourney that will cause them to be re-rated to Major, very few exceptions to this. The teams qualified as AAA but have been re-rated immediately or by Feb. PS you will be playing AAA rules and using whatever new rules they come up with this year.
Aug. 18, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
pete: The fact that we won a "big" tourney is questionable. We won the AAA Division at the Midwest tourney in Chicago. There were only 4 AAA teams, and 2 of them we had played earlier in the year at another tournament. We won the title game by ONE run. We won an earlier tournament in Indy and also won the title game by ONE run. In the two tournaments, we have played only 4 different AAA teams! In all games, we never hit more than 3 home runs in a game, and only did it twice. How does this make us a Major team? There are a lot of AAA teams from other parts of the country that we have never played. So by beating 4 AAA teams in 2 tournaments we are automatically better than all of them? Moving us to Major is a joke, which is why we are not going to Phoenix to play Major. We are pretty sure the team we beat in the finals is behind this.
Aug. 18, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Sorry for my rather inflammatory comments. No disrespect intended toward anyone. We just have not been able to get a good answer from any SSUSA officials on why were moved to Major.
Aug. 18, 2009
pushin60
Men's 60
63 posts
Weatherman, your situation is almost word for word describing our situation last year. We won three tournaments (none of which was a “ring” tournament), playing the same 2 teams in 7 of the games, and were moved up. It was a joke. We were never able to get anything out of Terry either, and still haven’t. Since then they have moved a lot of the other AAA teams up, so we are competitive in the division.
Aug. 18, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
pushin60: Thanks for the comments. It seems they are trying to get more teams into the Major Division, but why? What is wrong with having a really good AAA Division? Anyway, we have played 2 major teams so far this year. We played one in Quad Cities and lost to them 3 times. We played another Major team last weekend in a State tourney, and lost to them twice.
Aug. 18, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1265 posts
Just because you get beat by a Major team, does not mean you don't belong Major. Someone has to lose the game. Why don't you suck it up and play some tournaments and then ask for reclassification if you continue to lose? Playing two different teams and losing is not grounds for not going to Phoenix.
Aug. 18, 2009
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
Weatherman; we experienced a situation very similar to yours. To save time I won't explain it, but give you what we had to do to get re-rated. We played 3 major tournaments with at least 6 teams in the major division and kept all the stats. We called George Moreno at the SSUSA office and he graciously took our info and re-rated us based on the data. Although you feel cheated right now the system, worked like it was suppose to in our case. Hope it works for you too. BTW the 3 tournaments we played as major gave us some good info on just how good we are and what we need to get better. It was a humbling experience........... "Keep on Playin"
Aug. 19, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
We understand how the systems works to get re-rated. Our beef is that when we inquired why we were moved up and asked what the process was, we were flat out lied to. And we have the proof. Right now we just don't feel like playing their games.
Aug. 19, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Dbax: I will try to keep this civil. Who are you to tell us to "suck it up"? You really know nothing about our team or situation. You know nothing about the tournaments we played in, the scores or anything. We will likely play in the necessary tournaments as a Major team to see what happens, but we will do it at tournaments closer to home. It will cost us a lot of money to go to Phoenix, and with no sponsor, not everyone is willing to put out that kind of money to play Major. If you are willing to sponsor us we will be glad to oblige and go. In the meantime, I think you should reserve such comments for times when you know all the facts.
Aug. 19, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Corky: Thanks for your comments. We will likely do the same thing next year. It just makes us mad that they re-rate teams in the middle of a season. Doesn't seem fair.
Aug. 19, 2009
Dbax
Men's 60
1265 posts
Ha!
Aug. 19, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Weatherman, Good luck in the TOC, sometimes things just can't be explained.We won the Winter World in Vegas and we took 3RD place in the TOC a few years back, the FIRST AND SECOND PLACE TEAMS STAYED THAT BEAT US in AA,WE got bumped to AAA.These two teams stayed AA most if not all of the year why we played AAA, we won a few and lost a few, but still tried to compete in AAA.The next year we went back to Vegas and won the Winter World again in AA , then went on to win the TOC in AA. Now most of us have moved up to play 60.We have a pretty good team and we will see where we go.

You sound like a class act, good luck to you and your team, which ever division you end up playing in.
TAKE CARE,
Aug. 19, 2009
#6
Men's 60
1183 posts
Would like to add,than at any time I have ever needed an answer from SSUSA, Dave Dowell has ALWAYS GOTTEN BACK TO ME.MOST OF THE TIME IN THE SAME DAY.
I believe he is an accountant in his real life and a very busy man, Dave, Thank you for all the help you have given me and my team, I know it's a hard job.Take care and hope to see you soon..........
Aug. 19, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Corky: Thanks for your comments. We will likely do the same thing next year. It just makes us mad that they re-rate teams in the middle of a season. Doesn't seem fair.
Aug. 19, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Thanks for the comments #6. And good luck to you as well! Too bad you are older. Sounds like it would be fun to play you.
Aug. 19, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
$6: Do you have contact info for
Dave Dowell: email, phone. Thanks.
Aug. 19, 2009
Stretch14
Men's 50
185 posts
Where it says send us e-mail for Senior Softball-USA, click.
Aug. 20, 2009
Corky
Men's 55
446 posts
My advice is to call George at SSUSA office and discuss your issues with him.
Nancy Allen told us George is "the man" and he's very easy to deal with. Good Luck
Aug. 20, 2009
jolly52
Men's 55
49 posts
Just a Note: it is my understanding if you qualified for a TOC berth in AAA get moved up the same year and win another Qualifying Tourny in Major division you will now give up your place as a AAA team and have to play Major at the TOC.
Aug. 22, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Stretch14: Thanks. Never bothered to look very hard.
Aug. 22, 2009
Weatherman
Men's 55
21 posts
Jolly52: Thanks for the info. I don't think we are planning on playing in any more qualifiers so it should not be an isssue.
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