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| July 24, 2011 miken44 72 posts | homerun limits in our league we play with a no homerun limit so when you goto tournys for most part there is limit of 3 then they are outs how would you guys like to play tournys and not have any limits |
| July 25, 2011 turn2 482 posts | If you move up in the higher divisions you can get more home runs. In major plus you get anywhere from 7-12. Donnie |
| July 25, 2011 Mario Men's 50 312 posts | No HR limits......I'm IN!!!!!! |
| July 25, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | No limit is fun and home runs as walks after equalizer works well, too. we do that in NCSSA and have the best senior softball association in the country with enrollment increasing year after year. Big Fun. |
| July 25, 2011 ffdonnie Men's 50 69 posts | I'll agree with Joe on this, no limit is great. Plus it takes alot of heat off the pitcher. I play 50 AAA in SSUSA and there is too much middle action. Most of it is unintentional, but hey, crap happens. I really believe if SS went to this rule it would only be a plus. |
| July 26, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | whiney,again your a liar,norcal assoc is nothing but a podunk assoc.it has no worlds,nationals or anything that could be constituted to be so.it is not getting bigger,as omar has pointed out to you,so why do you keep lieing.must be the cheater in you,you can't stop can you. ffdonnie if you take the limits off,there will be more sandbagging then there is now in senior softball.AA with 1 and AAA with 3 and outs,is more than enough for those 2 divs,if your team hits or needs more than that,you need to move up and play in a higher div. |
| July 26, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | There goes Saddy again, dissing over 2000 players in the best senior softball association in the country whose teams have won more national titles in the last 10 years than from any other area in the country I'm willing to bet. He just doesn't get how classless and wrong he is, does he as keeps trying with his puppies to pull everyone down to their level of character and play. Keep talking and pushing that 52x275 ball, son. You're doing a great job. |
| July 26, 2011 Robo2 201 posts | I donot hit many HRs but I prefer a no HR limit because I feel it will reduce middle action by the power hitters; it will shorten the game times by allowing 5 run rule to be reached quicker; it will allow the more powerful teams to move up quicker and not be masked from there ability. I do not believe any team will sandbag a national / world / or even a ring tournement just so they do not move up. I wouldn't even consider intentionally loosing a game. why would anyone compete to loose? Bottom line is, it is not my association so I will play with whatever rules they set up. |
| July 26, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | again whiney no facts to back you up,over 2000 players,liar........... robo not reducing hr limits does nothing to stop middle hitting.only thing will happen is teams will sand bag even more,by playing down so they can win their ring.no a good team will not mask their ability,but it will and has happen already.a AA team should not be hitting hrs,1 is more than enough for them,AAA 3 is enough for them.make it outs to keep that constant parade of singles/walks from happening with no limits.i have seen it happen.like i said if ya wanna hit them out,move up and player a higher div. |
| July 26, 2011 audieh Men's 60 229 posts | I love tournaments with no home run limits and no run limits per inning. The Florida Half Century allows senior bats, no run limits per inning and no home run limits and it works well for the 170+ teams in the associations. Teams are rated based on performance 1 through the bottom and play a 4 game bracket once a month. As you win they move you up so that there is always great competition. Works great for us. Run rules apply after 4,5, innings etc. It is far more fun to play than the national tournaments with the home run limits, and run limits per inning which artificially allow weaker teams to beat better teams by having just one good open inning. Honestly, the one thing in many senior organizations that truly should be changed is having an over the limit home run as an out. If you are going to have restrictive, anti-competition rules at least change it to a walk. But, that's just one guys opinion. |
| July 26, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Right on, Audieh. SPA and NCSSA and LVSSA got it right. Lots more fun and hot balls stay off the pitcher. Only way to play. |
| July 26, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Sad dog and his sad balls accusing me for lying about NCSSA enrollment. What is 117 teams times 18 which is the average number of players I discovered rostered per team? We have 21 on our roster. Can you say 2106 less 32 who are double rostered and you have 2074. That would be over 2000 in my book? Still not sure? Why not ask OK to help you with those rascally 4 digit numbers. You're hysterical. Keep up the good work. It's the 52x275 ball you think we should be using, right? Priceless. |
| July 26, 2011 tinman Men's 50 74 posts | Joe...Keep up the good fight against the ultra minority.I cant find anyone at a tourney in 3 years who wants to change balls/bats.The 50-60 AA,AAA & Major Teams are all happy.The Home Runs as outs are the only complaints I hear. |
| July 27, 2011 Tater50 325 posts | AudieH: "anti-competition rules at least change it to a walk. But, that's just one guys opinion." Agree with you here: a HR hitter should not be punished w/an out. AudieH: Does the FHC players have a Player Poll & vote on the FHC rules? Einstein: Does the NCSSA players have a PP & vote on the NCSSA Rules? Where is there a problem with 1 & 1 up (walk for excess HRs) or 2 & 1 up as the classes increase? Also: since we "ALL" seem to differ in a lot of thoughts "besides hot balls & bats" (what about 70' bases); where is the Player Poll? I have been in the SSB since 99' & "Never" voted for any of the rules that are in place now. A Yearly Player Poll would solve these problems; cause when a controversy erups on this sight, the answer could easily be inserted that the SSUSA Union (all of us)voted on these changes? Is there a huge expense in doing this; if so, please explain? Tater50 You Cannot deceive the "Man in the Mirror". |
| July 27, 2011 perly 92 posts | Homerun limits are necessary just as different divisions are. Let Major + play no HR limit. These are the elite teams so let them swing away. All other divisions need some kind of HR limit. If you have unlimited HR's in AAA how many sandbagging Major or Major + teams will drop down to AAA in order to win and dominate. Look at young guy softball today. There are more C/D/E teams today than ever before. These divisions have 0-3 HR's and what's the reason? To level the playing field and give teams with less power a chance to win. If anything, in lower divisions go X amount of HR's and one up. This way if two teams both hit HR's they can hit a few without being penalized. If all you want to do is hit HR's play Major +. Tater50, a poll is the answer to many questions but good luck getting the organizations to buy in on this idea. |
| July 27, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2622 posts | Why does a "lesser" team deserve to win anything? They are lesser for a reason. We are all grown men playing the same game, if some are not good enough to win that is just the way it is. At least in high school 9th graders play Freshmen, 9th through 11th play JV, and anyone can play Varsity. But 10th through 12th can't play Freshmen just to win, nor can Seniors play JV in most places. In senior softball we allow anyone to drop to Freshmen or JV just to win. What 12th grader would want to play Freshmen just to say they won something? Kids seem to have more pride than old guys. |
| July 27, 2011 Al33 Men's 55 185 posts | Gary19, Bad analogy Sport, Lesser to me, means able to be competetive. Don't give me nothing except a chance to win. Then let the chips fall where they may. In Senior Softball we have the same thing you mention in high school only in reverse. We allow players to play down but not up. What 50 year old would want to play against 60 or 65 year olds just to win as you reference? Under your theory we should allow Major+ teams to play AA teams. The AA team doesn't deserve to win anything. Pride ain't got nothing to do with it. It's called commomn sense. |
| July 27, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Let's go back to an era when softball was determined on the field. Players playing in the lower classifications weren't talented enough to hit the ball out of the park. That's were our problem is in todays game. With the equipment being offered and used, homeruns are not only the norm, but expected. Lower classifications are supposed to have just that, lower talent and athletism. Not limits on players who can hit them out and are penalized for doing so. Those players should not be in the lower divisions. It was real easy to see the difference between a homerun, high average hitter and players who just played but with not much talent. There is no denying todays bats have not only closed the gap between talented hitters, but have created the atmosphere that anyone playing should be able to go yard. Is that what our game has come to? |
| July 27, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2622 posts | Al, I think many would be willing to. There is the fear that guys will sandbag within their age group just to win, I don't see much difference. Is a 50+ Major guy, or team, playing 50+ AA just to win better than a 50+ Major guy or team playing 55+ or 60+ Major? My hunch, in general, the 55+ Major teams are better than 50+ AA or even AAA. Problem is, too many age groups and too many classifications. |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | pricer the divide is not closed with these bats,the better bat will be still that much better even tho the less talented batter gets to hit the long ball now and again with our hot combo.he hasn't closed the gap on a better batter,i see it all the time,the untalented batter gets a hr and it goes straight to his head,and then your team is screwed b/c now he thinks he is a hr hitter.i think it hurts a team when these guys hit balls out,when they should be looking to get base hits,now they just swing from the heels and hope........... |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Jeff. What's wrong with greater participation and fun in the game. And we baby boomers live longer, stronger and healthier. Why can't we learn and invest in a game we like and have the fun we've always had trying to play OUR game. That's right for all concerned, OUR game. I would always ask before a tournament or a game what balls were being used in softball throughout my career. It's ALWAYS been an issue for me and all the guys I played with/against as no one liked or likes playing/hitting with compromised and counter intuitive equipment as we're being asked to "accept" today. And Why. For money, insurance companies, entrepreneurs and lawyers or self seeking/serving Association who are too interested in themselves to see the forest for the trees? |
| July 27, 2011 Al33 Men's 55 185 posts | Some of you guys seem to think that the home run limits are consistently met game after game and tournament after tournament. This is anything but the case. I have seen very few games in tournaments this year where the limits were met. If your team is hitting that many home runs, you should either be winning more tournaments or playing at the highest level. There is nobody on my team that has turned into a home run hitter that wasn't a home run hitter in the old days. Amen Audieh, That's the way it was in the old days. Lot's of fun to play and watch, high scores, no limits, etc.... Gary, You can only sandbag for so long before you'll get caught up to. Then you'll take your lumps. And shame on a sandbagger anyway. Classless with no integrity. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | And I'll say this again, loud and clear because I believe its true. The era of the hot bats and balls has been primarily driven by dumbed down balls and regular guys who don't want to be cheated or compromised in their investment to have fun and compete. They're trying to sell us that it's all our fault when it's just a couple of zealots and a lot of ignorance having their 15 minutes of fame. |
| July 27, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2622 posts | I agree completely, but sadly it often doesn't stop these guys from "enjoying" it while they can. |
| July 27, 2011 Al33 Men's 55 185 posts | Einstein, The game has transformed back to what it was 35-40 years ago. Good balls combined with good bats. Why? Simple. Because that's what most guys want. |
| July 27, 2011 Lecak Men's 55 998 posts | My opinion only if you remove the run limit rule you will lose players and teams. Review your score books and look at the number of times inning stop before 3 outs are recorded. I've played in games where only a few outs were recorded by the other team, no telling how many runs we would have scored. The HR limits can certainly be removed but not both in my opinion. |
| July 27, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2622 posts | Except 40 years ago you didn't have run limits, time limits, home run limits, middle wars, "middle's closed", PPRs, halos, and pitchers who looked like hockey goalies. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | I agree, Gary. I was shocked when first playing senior ball to find/hear of all the special rules. No sliding, extra runners et al. I figured when in Rome... but the bat/ball combo is something independent of all this stuff and can never be compromised and threatened as it has been and is today and keep our game healthy and alive. |
| July 27, 2011 Gary19 Men's 50 2622 posts | Joe, I don't think it is independent. I think the current combination has caused a lot of these whacky rules, or at least is being used by some to justify the whacky rules. I don't want to go back to Bombats and Harwoods either, but I have a hard time believing seniors cannot be happy with Utrip or NSA bats and a decent ball. Those are still very good bats. |
| July 27, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Should they make bowling balls that will knock all the pins down every time the ball is rolled? 300 games for everyone! Should they lower the rim in basketball so everyone can dunk the ball? Equipment should NEVER BE AN EQUALIZER, talent should be. AI33, it's not about the homeruns but it's part of the issue here. The speeds of the ball traveling thru the infield are the real problem. The distance they travel is secondary. But that’s what everyone is so wound up about. It's the homeruns they would miss, not the singles. Everyone can participate Joe? But not everyone should be able to go yard or hit a ball 100 MPH. Like I stated earlier, if the bats add 30' or 40' to every ball they hit, imagine how much faster the ball is traveling thru the infield. If they keep the rules, I'll still play. But it won't change my perspective. All the folks who are adamant about the hot bat/ball combo have still avoided my original question. What have the composite bats done to make game of softball better than it was before? Also Al33, 35-40 years ago we were using Hardwood CN100 & Duduley SBL12 cork center strung wound softballs & wood bats. Explain to me how we have come full circle? |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | "What have the composite bats done to make game of softball better than it was before?" Jeff. I've answered this a thousand times, now. The hotter bats became the answer to TD's and manufacturers using their relationship to lower the caliber of the balls to suit THEIR interests independently of OUR (players) interests and the importance to us, of keeping a lively bat/ball combo. The hotter bats became the insurance that players would get enough " bang for our buck" and not be cheated out of having a good time hitting with good enough equipment. So. Keep the bat/ball combo lively enough and let's play ball. The rest of it regardless of how it goes is secondary to our experience. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | You might ask Jeff as I ask you why/how would TD's and manufacturers want to make us have to use a ball that doesn't hit that well. Think. Less balls bought, used and lost. Lower scoring games take less time making it easier to schedule more games in less time. Not as much difference between divisions quieting the ongoing argument about sandbagging and "moving up or down". No players UNION to lobby and put pressure on organizations to meet player wants/needs. |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | do you really believe all this drivel you type on here.for one you still haven't answered pricer's question, "WHAT HAVE COMPOSITE BATS BROUGHT TO THE GAME". i have always had fun playing softball,even back when it was just wood bats and cork center balls.you must have been one miserable player if you played back then,since you had no fun with out a composite bat to use back then...... |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Dave. You admonished us about this kind of arguing from Robert. "Drivel" "miserable player". You said you had standards that we all must stay within. You can't expect me to abide by standards when others don't have to or that you won'/don't support and execute. I'll await your response. |
| July 27, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Where do you get your info Joe? Balls and bats are manufactured in whatever factories and countries that can do it the cheapest. In some cases quality can be different on the same ball made in different parts of the world. A lot of the balls most of you talk about are in some of cases are made at the same factory. Some of them you like, some you don't. I have spent a better part of my adult life in the sporting goods biz. I owned a pro shop at one of the largest softball complexes in Michigan and was fully aware of the changes in the bats as they were happening. You could not be further from the reason why composites came onto the softball scene. It had nothing to do with the softballs being used. It might be the reason you want it to be, but not even close. It was a material and cost of manufacturing them. Also a longevity issue as well. Some folks had bats that were lasting years. Not good for the manufactures. Composite don't last as long as aluminum and they replace them only once under warranty. They used to replace the aluminum bats as often as they were needed as long as the damage occurred in the warranty period. Now you pay more money for one replacement. In turn, you pay more for them and buy them more often. |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | ding,ding pricer wins again,some people just don't want to see the facts,or hear them.i have done tons of research on the game and equipment,and have the same opinion as you pricer.i used to buy and sell bats online also,till customers always wanted to try and loball ya,and then get mad b/c you wouldn't come down on your price. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | What I said Jeff was that the "players" like me support of the hotter bats, which composites were/are was to make sure they/we weren't cheated/deprived from having a good time by cheap self interested TD's as well as the fact that all balls began to go south pretty quickly as I remember driven by a "SURGE" of competition in the ball business which like lots of business is cut throat and self centered. |
| July 27, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Joe, you make it out if composite bats never came around we'd all be sitting at home on the weekends in our rocking chairs. That is so untrue. So your saying sofbtball was depriving you of a good time before composites? The TD's have and always will be driven by money. Few and I mean a very few do it for the right reasons and for the love of the game. Money talks and al the rest walks. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Now we agree, Jeff. Doesn't mean it's right or that we have to take it. That's been my point all along. Hot bats are/were sought out by players to insure they would play well in tournaments and have a good time from the intrinsic satisfaction of hitting a ball hard or fast or far and well. |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | again pricer you are making to much sense,i can still remember hitting 47 balls when the composite first came out,and my reaction was wow,figured they would go away just like the TI's did in the mid 90's,but the comp's stayed,so assoc decided they needed a lower comp ball to deal with the hot bats.then the cheater's found out they could do things to the comp's to enhance them even more then the assoc decided again to go lower on the ball,i have seen nothing to show that this is all done buy a mfg'er to gain a foothold in any bat or ball market,to me it was assoc driven,so now i want to know,what mfg'er is really behind this according to our prolific posted here,pricer maybe you can help him out since you are/were in the industry. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Self interest is the culprit here as I have always said. Competition in the market place is legal and lethal at the same time, the quintessence of self interest. It's no crime to be self interested but don't tell me that you're taking my money because I've got too much and your doing it to make me a better, PURER and SAFER man. That's a crock and we all would say so. Manufacturers and TD's can easily get together to create any product they think would be in THEIR best interest but that doesn't mean it's in my or our best interests. That's up for us to chose and decide just like Mike A has said and we will. |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | tell us who this self interest is,what TD's are conspiring with what mfg'er,please let us know,since you know all about this.no one else seems to know but you,please tell us,or is this gonna be something else you'll dodge. |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Names and blaming aren't important Robert. I thought we were all trying to get passed that kind of thing in pursuit of a kinder and gentler, more communal version of life, living and softball. It's all part of the system, now, but it doesn't stop us or anyone from "getting" what has happened, is happening, why and how. Or what we can/might do about it. Does it? I don't need to be a Weatherman, Robert, to know which way the wind blows, do YOU? |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | well your throwing out that all this is happening,if you really want it to stop,maybe you should tell the rest of us,who these culprits are that are trying to ruin the game of softball.or is it just the wind blowing from the west again.........oh yeah i can see where the wind is blowing from........ |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | No bad guys, Robert. Just self interested, ignorant ones. Ignorant of us, who we are and what we want and need to be satisfied playing our game. |
| July 27, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | well name them and set yourself free,and we can go get them,as if your right they intend to ruin the game of softball,please tell us,so they can't ruin the game..... |
| July 27, 2011 Lang 9 posts | Composite bats have only made the guy that could not hit a home run EVER a threat to hit them today. They have made a punch and judy hitter a line drive hitter and put the outfielders on the fence. Guys that have hit home runs all their life hit them, maybe a little farther but they will do that with any decent bat/ball combo. At least now there is no cheating or not much going to usssa bats or asa bats will encourage people to shave bats to achieve the same results that are now accustomed to. |
| July 27, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Lang, if you could not them before, why is it now a given you should be able to hit them as a senior player? That line of thought is just stupid! So if you’re a career 270' hitter, you should now be entitled to be able to hit them 300' plus. I’m sorry that one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard. Well almost!! |
| July 27, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | Let's see what SSUSA says and does about you first, Robert, violating its/our standards for conduct on the website. Then, I'll let you know. |
| July 27, 2011 Lang 9 posts | Composite bats have only made the guy that could not hit a home run EVER a threat to hit them today. They have made a punch and judy hitter a line drive hitter and put the outfielders on the fence. Guys that have hit home runs all their life hit them, maybe a little farther but they will do that with any decent bat/ball combo. At least now there is no cheating or not much going to usssa bats or asa bats will encourage people to shave bats to achieve the same results that are now accustomed to. |
| July 28, 2011 perly 92 posts | Pricer Somehow I didn't get what you did from Lang's comment. I don't see where he says composites are a good thing he only states the benefits a weaker hitter gets from these bats. To me, evertything he said was accurate, includng the part about shaved bats. I know Lang and he doesn't need a composite bat now nor did he 30 years ago. This guy is a legitimate MONSTER. Calling someones "line of thought just stupid" is a little over the top and you should probably refrain from that kind of attack. To me, and you probably don't care about my opinion, but that statement was classless. |
| July 28, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | pricer right on,lang why should we have to play on the fence now,i get 2b's and i'm not the fastest guy around b/c the outfielders have to play so deep,and it is an almost given that the faster guys get 2b's,why.the composites have ruin the game. now i hear you guys saying that if we go to usssa,asa type bats that they'll be shaved,so they can soothe their little ego's,well that is one sorry person who has to do that,to be able to play.oh there is cheating in senior ball with the senior bats also,reebok had a few come back to them that had been shaved some,and this was from the reebok guys/reps themselves saying this not rumor.so don't tell me that it stops cheating,by using a senior bat.guys have ordered bats(who were miken guys) specially endloaded for them,they weren't for sale to the general public,but looked just like the regular bats,so don't blow smoke about no cheating with senior bats.......... you want to level the playing field,use the 52 ball,that makes it so no one gets over on anyone.if your a true hitter this ball will play great,if your not,oh well ,learn to hit.......... |
| July 28, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Perly, I did not call Lang stupid,it was his comment that was. "Composite bats have only made the guy that could not hit a home run EVER a threat to hit them today. They have made a punch and judy hitter a line drive hitter and put the outfielders on the fence" Perly, Why should it be the equipment that makes them threats & not talent? " "Guys that have hit home runs all their life hit them, maybe a little farther but they will do that with any decent bat/ball combo." Why do homerun hitters need to hit them farther if they're already homerun hitters? If you feel that equipment should make everyone a better player instead of actualy practicing your craft, well you answer that yourself? It's ridiculous to see some of you try and create a problem where there is none. You don't have toagree with me, that's ok. Come up with a better way to dicuss than throwing stones and running the other way or better yet, show me why my line of thought is incorrect. But for the sake of aurgument, Lang, my comment was not meant to directed towrds you as a person, just the comment. |
| July 28, 2011 perly 92 posts | Pricer, I didn't say you called Lang stupid what I said was "Calling someones line of thought just stupid is a little over the top." How you got calling him stupid out of that is beyond me. Also Lang's comments, and I totally agree, just says what composites bats have done for weaker hitters. Niether of us implied we liked the bats only what the bats have done to the game. However, I do prefer the current bat/ball combo but that's another subject. You threw the stone calling someones statement stupid and now you want to accuse me of throwing stones, rediculous. |
| July 28, 2011 Lang 9 posts | Fellows the question was what has composite bats did for softball? I stated my feelings for them plain and simple. To be blunt if you think that playing with a 52 core ball will be fine for the regular hitter that is ridiculous! If you dummy up the ball someone will find a way to do something to the bats to even the field.It's been happening for years and I believe it is just a way of life now. Why would you go to a gun show with a knife? You could be martyrs and play with wood bats against the rest of the field using senior bats and display your hitting skills against theirs.Softball has changed over the last 10 years more than ever but hitting a good ball is always a good thing. |
| July 28, 2011 Pricer Men's 50 622 posts | Perly, I'm lost to what you're really trying to say. You seem to be nit picking here. I stand by what I said. If you follow his post to the end "At least now there is no cheating or not much going to usssa bats or asa bats will encourage people to shave bats to achieve the same results that are now accustomed to." you can read that he was indicating he was in agreement with the bats making players better, not players making themselves better. Some folks here use tatics to try and shift the direction of a topic. Also, if you read my post, I have no problem in indicating if it was you that was throwing stones. I was not directing at you, I was generalizing. |
| July 28, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | lang,the 52 ball negates the cheaters,not sure how many times i have to say this,no one bat hits this ball any better than the next,the batter themselves needs to know how to hit not let the bat do the work.i have played and still do play with the 52 ball,here in league,and there is no prol in hitting it,no ego boosted hrs by the cheaters,only guys who know how to hit, hit the hrs,the singles guys get their singles and away we go,just like it used to be.at 61 playing against the kids i have got them out and have my fair share of 2b's,don't do 3b's against the kids,to slow...LOL...so i'm getting balls in the gaps and by them,just as i do with senior ball,just not with the missile velocity,that comes with our hot bat/ball combo. played in a senior NSA tourney that allowed senior bats and the 52 ball,went 11-13 with a few 2b's and a 3b,hitting into a 20 mph wind on a 315' fence,so no prol there.one of our big guys hit the fence a couple of times also,so don't tell me that this ball is no good.we are a 60 age team........ |
| July 28, 2011 perly 92 posts | mad dog When you say "not sure how many times I have to say this, no one bat hits this ball any better than the next" when referring to the 52 ball. This statement defies logic. You are saying an old XBH, a EST, a double wall DeMarini, a stock U-trip bat, a shaved U-trip bat and a ULTRA II will all hit the ball the same. Seems unbelievable and doesn't even sound possible. |
| July 28, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | yes perly,go research it.there is not the big difference that you get using a 44 ball,from worst to best senior( also cheater bats) they are all close using the 52 ball.it is the reason the ball was developed,to stop all the composite hero's who feel the need to use a cheater bat(painted or shaved)to make them selves look good and also for the safety of the pitcher and infielders.the guy who developed this ball works for AD starr,used to work for trump. |
| July 28, 2011 einstein Men's 50 3142 posts | I'm curious Robert. You say you know these balls can't be hit well with cheater bats and I want to believe you. First, which cheater bats have you used/tried out, in order to know what you know and whose bats were/are these that you seem able to test at will? And about cheating Robert which is something we all know about in a society of laws and regulations why do you think that changing the entire game is right or called for or will be tolerated, when finding and busting specific cheaters like what is normal in a civilized society has been proven to be more intelligent and effective. The example that comes to mind is speeding on a highway. Do we reduce the speed limit for everyone when someone speeds or do we find and punish the speeder(s). What do you think would happen if we decided to punish all the speeders by taking the speed limit down to 45 mph? Do you think it would work? Do you think people and companies industry involved would accept it readily or ever when learning that lobbying, politics and money are really driving the movement? Do you think it would suppress and repress citizens creating more angst and frustration? Do you think it's fair to the ones who never speeded in the first place? Do you think it would encourage responsible thinking and behavior on the part of all drivers? Do you think less people would drive and look to ride the trains and busses? Do you think there would be less cars bought and gasoline used with all the accessories and maintenance jobs/supplies that are associated with cars Why don't you think the same thing applies in softball for punishing all batters for what only a few are doing and are being driven to do by dumbing down the bat/ball combo in the first place. Because it does and will back fire, splinter, anger and create many problems and stop players from investing and wanting to invest in the game. |
| July 28, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | as i have said for the umpteeth time,i do my research,you can go do yours,since your in one of the hottest area's for cheaters and are an admitted cheater yourself.i got my info from the engineer who design the ball,maybe you should talk with him... |
| July 30, 2011 jimjoes-gman Men's 55 81 posts | I just wonder how many outfielders ,2nd basemen & s/stops, under 6' & weighing 175,are crusading for unlimited h/r's. Few if any I doubt. So what does that leave you with? Do the math. Donnie said it well....You go SSUSA |
| July 30, 2011 mad dog Men's 60 3802 posts | jimjoe not sure what your getting at with this post. |
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