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Ken Van Bogaert

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Dec. 6, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Would it be acceptable to just make a pitching Mask and shin guards mandatory?

My apologies if this has been discussed in full, I don't get on the board as much as I should. I want to add up front, that I am a huge fan of SSUSA and all they do for us as players and generally do not see much fixing needed. However, I would like to see pitchers protected more. As others have stated, a screen is an option and the rules SSUSA have implemented are good in the ideals behind them, but make it hard for umpires, etc..to always intrepret. If you use a screen, it seems to cut out the pitchers defense..
I pitch some (not at SSUSA level) and I think the stigma of not being a
"man" if you use a mask and shin guards, affects some pitchers and others are oblivious to this until they get nailed. I think if the Senior organizations made shin guards and a full mask mandatory, it might be a viable option and still allow balls up the middle and pitchers defense...And it would protect the pitcher and help make safety equipment more acceptable for the infielders too. Its becoming common in the young guys game and would be nice if accepted as the norm in the senior game.
I never have liked the idea of eliminating the senior bats. Shaved and painted will come into play IMO. As far as the .52 cor ball. I think it could be used for the 40s thru 50s major/major plus age groups only, but the current combo in the AAA and lower and 55 and older seems to be balanced from what I see. If the wind blows out hard, you will see a 30 foot increase in any ball/bat combo. I have hit the 52 cor ball and played in the TOC all star game where I saw 6-7 homeruns by guys who were good, but not the premiere sluggers in todays game by any means. You need to spin it to get distance, thats all. Again, this ball in my opinion, is suited to opening up the young mens game with less rules, and would only be applicable to the Seniors in the 40s and 50 major plus... teams that still have that over the top hitting power.
However, the SSUSA 5-7 runs per inning is a nice equalizer and most don't care how you get your runs too.
Just curious as to how players would feel on madatory pitching equipment.
Ken Van Bogaert
Roberts 55 major
Dec. 6, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Would it be acceptable to just make a pitching Mask and shin guards mandatory?

My apologies if this has been discussed in full, I don't get on the board as much as I should. I want to add up front, that I am a huge fan of SSUSA and all they do for us as players and generally do not see much fixing needed. However, I would like to see pitchers protected more. As others have stated, a screen is an option and the rules SSUSA have implemented are good in the ideals behind them, but make it hard for umpires, etc..to always intrepret. If you use a screen, it seems to cut out the pitchers defense..
I pitch some (not at SSUSA level) and I think the stigma of not being a
"man" if you use a mask and shin guards, affects some pitchers and others are oblivious to this until they get nailed. I think if the Senior organizations made shin guards and a full mask mandatory, it might be a viable option and still allow balls up the middle and pitchers defense...And it would protect the pitcher and help make safety equipment more acceptable for the infielders too. Its becoming common in the young guys game and would be nice if accepted as the norm in the senior game.
I never have liked the idea of eliminating the senior bats. Shaved and painted will come into play IMO. As far as the .52 cor ball. I think it could be used for the 40s thru 50s major/major plus age groups only, but the current combo in the AAA and lower and 55 and older seems to be balanced from what I see. If the wind blows out hard, you will see a 30 foot increase in any ball/bat combo. I have hit the 52 cor ball and played in the TOC all star game where I saw 6-7 homeruns by guys who were good, but not the premiere sluggers in todays game by any means. You need to spin it to get distance, thats all. Again, this ball in my opinion, is suited to opening up the young mens game with less rules, and would only be applicable to the Seniors in the 40s and 50 major plus... teams that still have that over the top hitting power.
However, the SSUSA 5-7 runs per inning is a nice equalizer and most don't care how you get your runs too.
Just curious as to how players would feel on madatory pitching equipment.
Ken Van Bogaert
Roberts 55 major
Nov. 10, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: My team wants the one up rule back in SSUSA

welll, I'm not Einstein but I did stay at a motel 6 last year. We all have our opinions, but not having played seniors as much as the rest of you guys, I truly sympatize with all SSUSA & other associations have on their plates... but from what I have experienced in 5 years...its awesome...with all the associations offer, I wonder how they break even...and surely for the hours they put it...its got to be minimum wage...like us, I expect they do it for the love of the game. With all the different opinions and needs of us players...its amazing we all generally agree that its still a great sport and well run.
Nov. 7, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: My team wants the one up rule back in SSUSA

When I started playing seniors 4 years ago, I was amazed at the simple beauty of the 5 run inning, with the last inning open. It really didnt matter for 6 innings how you got your runs..5 runs, inning over. It was a great equalizer and it allowed teams to flavor their lineups with power like Gekle or high averages basehitters like Windy City. If SSUSA would keep 5 run innings until the 7th in all divisions,and last inning after 60 minutes who really cares how you get your runs and limits seem less necessary. 7 run innnings I think are too long...Also it might work to supply each team with x number of balls and they chase their own homeruns or buy more balls from Td. Also if your down by 10 in last inning, flip flop..to save time. GReat job by ssusa.
Oct. 30, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: some thoughts about our game for change

Don't know how that got on here again!
People do say I repeat myself. sorry.
Oct. 30, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: some thoughts about our game for change

Great comments guys and I really would like to thank the SSUSA for giving us a forum and listening to some of our comments.
First, BruceinGa&Dirty..thumbs up.
1)zero to one courtesy runner per inning...agreed with either..If a team wants to load up with slow sluggers, make them run. Its part of the game and it helps negate the over the top power some teams bring. I usually get run for, but I think it would save the legs of the guys who work the hardest and bring some balance back by making slow power hitters a liability on the bases. Its brutal on your best players to constantly run and this should be changed. I would say for 65-70 and older, leave it be..there are guys who are run specialist there and health issues merit giving some guys a break. They are some special dudes that are still playing at that age.
2)Allow Senior bats. They keep our 99.9% of the altered bats out of the game...totally agree..alter the ball, not bat...cheaters will prevail
3)Three divisions instead of four in all age groups...AGree for 55 to 60 and older, this would be appropriate as numbers decline.
James LG..agree, no homerun limits I would say over 60. If those guys can hit them, god bless them..they get fewer and fewer as guys age.
Up in the air on Joes. If guys hit but play no d, why can't guys play d and not hit? It would involve more players but ultimately I think if you play, you should hit too.jmo
Kenvb roberts 55



Oct. 30, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: some thoughts about our game for change

Great comments guys and I really would like to thank the SSUSA for giving us a forum and listening to some of our comments.
First, BruceinGa&Dirty..thumbs up.
1)zero to one courtesy runner per inning...agreed with either..If a team wants to load up with slow sluggers, make them run. Its part of the game and it helps negate the over the top power some teams bring. I usually get run for, but I think it would save the legs of the guys who work the hardest and bring some balance back by making slow power hitters a liability on the bases. Its brutal on your best players to constantly run and this should be changed. I would say for 65-70 and older, leave it be..there are guys who are run specialist there and health issues merit giving some guys a break. They are some special dudes that are still playing at that age.
2)Allow Senior bats. They keep our 99.9% of the altered bats out of the game...totally agree..alter the ball, not bat...cheaters will prevail
3)Three divisions instead of four in all age groups...AGree for 55 to 60 and older, this would be appropriate as numbers decline.
James LG..agree, no homerun limits I would say over 60. If those guys can hit them, god bless them..they get fewer and fewer as guys age.
Up in the air on Joes. If guys hit but play no d, why can't guys play d and not hit? It would involve more players but ultimately I think if you play, you should hit too.jmo
Kenvb roberts 55



Sept. 26, 2009
bogie
Topic: Product review
Discussion: Bogie New video is in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCzKSqi8_Fw&feature=channel_page

This is a youtube clip of exerpts. Its hard to show 10 minutes of a 3 1/2 dvd and do justice, but this gives a good sampling. Since its long, you may have to load it up in youtube, surf the web a bit, then in 3 minutes come back and the stream will be steady and keep up as the video loads. thanks bogie
Sept. 1, 2009
bogie
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Lighter Bats vs Heavier Bats

I could not agree more with using a heavy bat for more speed on the basehits and distance on hrs. I think there is less rebound on the hit and it allows more mass to carry thru the ball..What I have found as I aged as a senior ..and bp partners agreed...is that our mechanics are better than when we were younger, we have alot more mass in the hips and midsection (good for hitting but bad for the figure,lol) and alot of us seem to get better performance out of a 30oz bat. I know I don't swing as fast as I did when young but feel mass and mechanics allow the swinging of a heavier bat with good results.
July 14, 2009
bogie
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: spa draw

Only 6 teams in the 50 major plus, but wow, what a group...should be an outstanding tournament..maybe not from having a 8 or 16 team bracket, but the quality of the teams is top notch. Some games in the 50s and 55s, I sure would have enjoyed watching!
Feb. 25, 2009
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 52-275 ball

Every high average hitter I know, places the ball to an open area of the defense, so I do not think it will change the averages that much. It probably will cut down extra base hits... on balls that travel fast to the fence, those balls that are hit in the gap, but otherwise, hitters that just try to hit it hard, without trying to place it or without a plan, will be most affected. I think homerun hitters will tend to fly out on the mishits, which I think is fair for those who swing away all the time. I did try an ASA freak 98 and thought my MM hit the that ball better. In fairness,I might add, I am in favor of using this ball, to cut out totally the middle out rule and I think it can be open homeruns for all divisions..I think the penalty for missing a ball when swinging away, will be an out, rather than a knuckleball homerun by the big hitters.
Jan. 30, 2009
bogie
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: looking to play softball again

Joe
I would add a smart ass reply, but you and Bash are 63 this year. Now that is OLD!
Jan. 29, 2009
bogie
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: looking to play softball again

i play for Roberts Construction out of madison. We are jumping to 55 major this year and we practice in Madison (Fitchburg)...
dpdukelow@charter.net
This is our managers email.., Dave Dukelow..give him an email. We have been competitive, taking 2nd, 2 3rds in the worlds..winning the national championship game in 50 major last year...Dont know if he is set for the season, but good to network. The Oshkosh and Chicago teams are fine teams as well...first class.
Ken van Bogaert
Roberts 55 major
Jan. 11, 2009
bogie
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Is this story true ???

did he die from the shooting? what was the story on that!
Jan. 11, 2009
bogie
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Is this story true ???

Having read 4 or 5 books on Ted Williams the story as I remember was his coach, I think it might have been Joe Cronin, offered to let him sit out the last day....a double header. Ted was batting .3995 which rounded up, would have been .400...ted did say he did not want to walk backwards into a .400 season and would play and let history tell the story. He walked around a good part of the night very nervous, but did perform well, going 6-8 the last game to finish .406.
The movie and story the Natural was loosely based on Ted Williams. Ted had wished that he would break all the records that stood and that people would recongnicze him as the best there ever was.....he lost more than 5 of his prime years to world war 2 and the Korean war as a figher pilot...or he might have had all the records.
Jan. 11, 2009
bogie
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: I was killed last night.

I played in the senior all star game, got a chance to hit with Kevin's new ball earlier in the day and for the last 4 days during the TOC, I was in Tampa with my son, Steve Imlay, a great senior hitter, and several senior members fo the Woodlawn hitting club in St. Pete.
We had 5 of the new .52 cor, 275 balls that Anaconda has made. First off, being from the north and not having a chance to hit much lately, we were not very consistent, so each time out of the buckets of 200 senior s balls, we only had 5 chances at the new ball. Kevin told us that we needed to try to level off and cut the ball, if we wanted to make it fly.
The ball will fly 360 feet and further. When you cut it, it jumps off the bat like a tennis ball off a racket. A slightly different, but not unpleasant feel to hit. I did line a knuckleball out and that was not supposed to be able to happen very easily. The ball felt lighter to us. If you did not spin the ball, it did not reward you with a super fast exit speed or longer ball. I pitched the ball several times without telling hitters and they did not notice it. In the all star game, I believe Mike was wrong, I think there was 4 homeruns, all by very good hitters, but not big guys or high profile homerun hitters. They spun the ball and it went. The mishit fly balls, were of shorter distance and most dramatically, the speed of the ball thru the infield was considerably slower. It reminded me of the game of the 70s and 80s, where 40% of the outs were infield play.
A hitter on my team hit 2 homeruns in the game with the new ball, but in the homerun contest the next day, using the current 44, 375 ball, he hit 2 of 10...so when he swung good, the new ball rewarded him.
So I am personally saying for the 40s and 50s senior major and major plus, I am a big fan of this ball. I think it will let small guys hit homeruns, but only if you learn to cut the ball..which most do anyway...you must spin it. It will cut out times when the first 9 of 11 hitters homer because a flat hit ball that now carries 350 will be 280 ...without spin.
The all star game was a treat to see all the infield play, see a fair ball that is not dominated by overblown homeruns, a game that is safer in the infield and involves more players in every play, and a game that is not a homerun hitting contest. Being fair, I am mostly a homerun hitter, so I would not like to see the 5 and out...I personally would rathe rsee the game defense brought back into the picutre and have less rules as a result of a more sane ball...I am not for changing any bat rules...I think any lesser bats, will invite the same shaving, painting that the kids go thru.
Just my opinion. joe, Kevin, mike...guys on both sides ...are all good friends...I am not taking sides and I am mentioning that the new ball fits my agenda personally...but I did want to voice my experience with hitting it and playing in a game with it..
Ken Van Bogaert
Roberts 50 major(moving to 55 major)
Dec. 20, 2008
bogie
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: RULE CHANGES...COMMENTS

Joe,
your my man but I am one who would rather leave the bats alone and tone down the ball for the 50 and 55 teams. I think changing bats would encourage the shaving and painting that we see in the young mans game. But the ball is easy to change.
i would ONLY change the ball for the 50s. I think the current ball/bat combo is okay for the 60s and up, but homeruns are so cheap in the 50s that rather than limits, I would like to see less hr limits and have a ball that the true power hitters would be hitting out. ....and you are one of them. That old lady in Seattle is still trying to locate your phone number after you bombed the roof of the ice rink.
I think a slightly less hot ball, will bring back more defense and balance out the homerun dominated games.
The younger guys coming in from 49, seem to be stronger, in better shape and technically better... The ability to hit the ball hard, seems to be the last of the softball players gifts to leave him or her. So I am all for a simple adjustment of the ball and less need for rules to counterbalance.
I would be for a rule that once we get snow in Wisconsin, all you cali and florida boys have to stop playing like us. We can never catch up to you.
kenvan bogaert
roberts 50 major
Dec. 17, 2008
bogie
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: RULE CHANGES...COMMENTS

I hate to see the out rule for homeruns, but feel that homeruns in the 50s were a bit out of control. I can't say how many balls I saw on the weekend ( Phoenix 50major) alone that went 400 feet. What must the major plus have been like?
I like the fact we see less bat shaving or painting by allowing the Combat, Miken and other senior bats but I feel for the 50s age group, that its too much ball for the bats. Especially as you see the calibur of the hitters coming up from the 49-50 ages They seem in better shape, and appear to be technically more sound...just a more powerful generation coming in.
I would like to see less rules, but a slightly deader ball for the 50's. This would cut out the mishit homeruns, make ground balls on infield play more sane and increase fly balls on mishits. A ball that has to be hit with more spin to carry would be of benefit. I have hit some of the new Utrip balls (high cor, low comp) and I think a better version of it, would be great.
I think the current ball/bat combo is fine for 60s and older.
On a side note, I do not see why homerun limits decrease as we go to 60s and 70s. If you have some older guys who can hit it..God Bless em....it seems a moot point to even have limits after 65...let alone why are the tighter?
I feel SSUSA has done a tremendous job overall, but feel this rule is one that will not be popular and there are other ways around it.
Ken Van Bogaert
Roberts 50major
Dec. 13, 2008
bogie
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Yellow Macenko VS Grey Combat

I was on a video shoot in St. Pete this week and I had a new MM combat gear. I put over 500 swings on it and its still in great shape. We all know how the U2 is a super bat, but the MM offers the option of the endload and a different feeling bat than the U2. NIce to have another option that performs awesome.
That said, I think we all have to understand that the MM and U2 are made to be "game" bats. I do not swing them in bp...because they are made for performance, not durability. I would rather have my senior bats ready to rumble...than to play the asa game, where they need 2,000 swings to break in.
I think we need to find returnable Utrip bats that feel similar to these and use them more in bp...with less swings on our senior bats. I would prefer for Kevin, Mike and Corky to keep making bats ready to perform...and for us as seniors, to help them out by not expecting durabiltiy and performance out of the wrapper.
Just my opinion. For bp, we swing freak plus's, worth titans or eastons cnts+...super bats, returnable and durable.
Nov. 12, 2008
bogie
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Congrats to Coors Light

congrats to coors lite from us guys at Roberts Construction. I got to see several of your games and you proved not only to be the best tailgaters but the best team of 26 in the worlds. Nice combination of speed, defense and hitting.
BTW, the champaign tailgate party was impressive...I can only imagine what the championship party was like, LOL.
Ken van bogaert
roberts 50 major
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