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Dave (Mango) Meggison

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Nov. 23, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Suggestions for 2015

Crump 22
Not sure which tournament you are talking about with “unlimited” home runs. Is it the one in Rockford in August?

Also, I would like to point out that I am not advocating “unlimited” home runs in the plus division. I would be happy with going back to a cap on homers then DBW. There is quite a difference between a ball hit over the fence for 4 bases and a ball hit over the fence for 1 base. If you stop and think about it-the DBW is quite limiting in terms of offensive production.

Nov. 19, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Suggestions for 2015

For the 50, 55 and possibly the 60 Major Plus- Get rid of the DBO and go back to the Dead Ball Walk after home runs are gone. There are too many big strong players in those age group/divisions. I saw too many pitchers get blasted this season. It’s only a matter of time before someone is very seriously injured. There is no reason to have the DBO in the Plus divisions.

I encourage all Plus players that wish the rule changed to send an email to the rules committee at the address above in Dave’s post (SSUSA Post -info@seniorsoftball.com with "Rules Committee" in the subject line )
Sept. 9, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Vegas - Session 1

I agree with JT25 get rid of the dbo rule in Plus or get rid of the ROCK Ball. The ROCK Ball is ridiculous for Vegas.
Aug. 3, 2014
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: WHY SEVEN RUNS PER INNING?

Hey Stick,
I'm doing well, thanks. How about you? Who are you playing with this year and will you be coming to Vegas?
Also do you know of any 50 Major Plus teams from back in your area who will be coming out? Please encourage them all-it should be a good World Series.
Aug. 1, 2014
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: WHY SEVEN RUNS PER INNING?

SSUSA Staff- Right!!!! I agree with that point as well! More runs per inning should result in more aggregate at bats. I was merely pointing out an additional benefit of 7 vs 5,the added importance of defense. Again-Thanks for listening to Plus Players and letting them have a voice in shaping the game they play.
Aug. 1, 2014
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: WHY SEVEN RUNS PER INNING?

SSUSA- Thanks for listening!

The higher the runs per inning the more important defense becomes. Anyone that has played at the plus level for any period of time would probably agree. A couple years ago it was 9 runs an inning and I would like to see it go back to that. We had a player boot a double play ball that ended up costing us 9 runs. We lost by 3 runs. Had there been a 5 run limit we would have won the game. We still don’t speak that player’s name :-)

As far as the run totals. Run totals are a product of a number of things (home runs being one of the things that was changed this year to perhaps depress run totals) but one of the most important factors is the amount of time you have to score runs. 99% of the games have time limits and this is a big factor in how many runs you can score.

And can someone explain to me the thought process where one thinks they are getting to play more softball because they play 7 innings. If you have played a 7 inning game in 55 minute and a 5 inning game in 70 minutes-who has played more softball?

July 9, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What was to consensus on DBO Homerun rule after Rock N Roll Reno?

The dbo may act as an equalizer to help the weaker teams with softer hitting players, or narrow the gap between major and major plus teams, or make the game more or less enjoyable to players, but it certainly doesn’t add defense to the game. Any time a team gets to hit without recording an out that devalues and subtracts defense.

And sorry Tim, I kind of got off topic on your thread- In Reno our pitcher was hit 3 times and we hit 3 pitchers. That’s a total of 6. It seems pretty high-especially for the pitchers that were hit. But this is not how one should do statistics (anecdotally).

I would use logic- and if players are hitting the ball down more because of the dbo- it stands to reason that you increase the chance of players(infielders and runners) getting hit .That’s just simple probability. Suppose you made a rule where any groundball was an out then players would lift the ball more and probability would suggest that that would statistically decreases the chance of players getting hit. That’s really sort of common sense isn’t it?




July 9, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What was to consensus on DBO Homerun rule after Rock N Roll Reno?

Actually Tim to be fair, I didn’t say it eliminates defense, I said it lessens the amount of defense necessary to get up to hit.

However, in one game a few months ago I watched a team make all three outs in one inning by watching dbo’s hit over the fence. They never once made a defensive play. The defensive team couldn’t catch the hard hit balls that were hit down, and there were lots of them. Even though they had a great defensive pitcher…. evidenced by the fact that he was serving up lots of cookies for lots of hits that inning (according to RightRj this make a good pitcher). In this particular case it did “eliminate” defense for that half inning.



July 9, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What was to consensus on DBO Homerun rule after Rock N Roll Reno?

Hammer
Glad I could entertain you because if you can't laugh..... However, the dbo rule and the 5/7 run limit per inning both REDUCE defense. If you think about it, watching a ball hit over the fence for an out doesn't really require much defense does it…in fact it requires 0 defense. Hard to argue different.
July 8, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What was to consensus on DBO Homerun rule after Rock N Roll Reno?

Ok Tim, I’ll bite. Only because its summer time and I’m a bit bored..

We have a guy who has an over the line swing- he’s really good at it at it. Spent years working on it. He has been successful with that swing at an .800 percent (8 hits every 10 at bats) success rate over the course of the last 9 years. I've played with and against some very good seniors and I don’t know of a player that hits a homer 8 times out of 10.

Our very best home run hitter has a success rate of just over .333 (1 homer every 3 at bats). Who does the rule penalize here? The .333 or the .800 percent success rate player?

Would you propose a rule limiting the number of dink hits a team can have? After 8 dinks they have to hit the ball hard? Sounds kind of silly doesn't it? But it’s the same logic.

More importantly the dbo rule takes defense away from a game where they already devalue defense (5 or 7 runs an inning devalues defense). When fair balls hit really hard go over a fence for an out-that is one less out defensive teams have to record. At the 50 major plus level this season, the home runs rule has put less defense in the game!

June 3, 2014
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Reno results

Sommerville Softball won the 50 Major Plus Division going 8-1, with 5 straight wins on Sunday(without a break). This included double dipping an excellent North West Legends team by a score of 29-13 in the Championship game followed by a 32-28 win in the “if” game. Respect and camaraderie among the plus players, accompanied by excellent competition, great fields, and very good umpiring provided a very enjoyable weekend. As always, Dave Dowel did a great job as TD.
May 9, 2014
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: ROLL CALL FOR "ROCK N RENO"

Hey Rev,
Saw GSC is going as an "exhibition" team. What's that about?
Mango
Jan. 7, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Teams leaving SSUSA?

Hey Stick,
All is well! Sorry I can't help you out on the costs but OKI would be a great team for a tourney like that. I'm not sure what your travel plans are but some of the west coast teams ( AZ Elite, East Bay, MTC, GSC, NW Legends and Sommerville) have been collaborating via email to try and shape our schedules so that we maximize tournament participation.

If you guys want in on the email loop and can come to one more west coast tournament other than the SSUSA Vegas worlds let me know.

We also would be interested in hearing from any other eastern 50 major plus teams that have an interest in collaborating schedules.

Sommerville is looking to play east and would like to go where there is the most participation. In the past we've gone to SPA but heard there might be some problems with the impact players list. We are open to suggestions.



Jan. 6, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: All the hate on DBO with senior bats...how about this?

Welcome to the board Mau-the bats are way to hard to control(altered bats) the best way to control it is with the balls-then only home run hitters hit bombs. By the way- as hard as you hit it, if you hit the ball down you could kill a pitcher. Just the thought of it -Yikes!
Mango

Jan. 6, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Teams leaving SSUSA?

Hey Marv19- Sommerville Softball (50 Major Plus)will definitely play in your "Smasher" tournament barring schedule conflicts. I would also think that would be an easy tourney for Nazzarino, GSC, AZ Elite to make and perhaps we could get some Eastern teams(Adiktiv?OKI?) to come out and visit California.
Thanks,
Mango
Jan. 5, 2014
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA shares DBO rationale Senior

Thoughts comments and observations and suggestions on the lack of logic and consistency in justification of the DBO rule.

The DBO rule does nothing to emphasize defense. IN fact it can be argued it does just the opposite. A team being awarded an out for NOT making a play is not more defense. That’s like saying the 5 run rule emphasizes defense. In fact its conceivable a team can win a game without ever recording and out. Think about it. A team gives up 5 every inning then in the open inning they watch 3 balls hit over the fence for DBO’s. That’s not defense.

Suggestion- If they want to emphasize defense expand the runs per inning from 5 to 9 at ALL levels. Then when you make an error it hurts.

Another question- when giving an equalizer of 5 runs without allowing the plus team to even have a chance to stop those awarded runs- how does that emphasize defense? Perhaps the weaker team should always have to use the extra fielder.

If they want to narrow the gap (I believe the real reason for the rule) between plus and major by further restricting the more skilled plus players then are we to assume that they will be moving quite a few major teams up? How many major teams is SSUSA going to bump now because of the dumbing down of plus?

Finally- I believe the real problem is the Rock ball being used in Vegas. The ball just fly’s there and is too lively for that venue. If plus players hit that ball down it is a recipe for disaster- there won’t be more plays made by defense- just more injuries- to fielders and base runners alike. Change the ball in Vegas- not the rule. Just a suggestion.

Dec. 13, 2013
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

And btw- that no vote above actually is 16 no votes because there is not a player on our team that wants this rule.


Dec. 13, 2013
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

Dave meggison
Sommerville Softball
NO

Btw- I would still love an explanation from SSUSA for why the rule change- I agree with mike- dbo in every division EXCEPT major plus... There's no sandbagging in major plus!
Dec. 12, 2013
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: players please respond to rule changes

It seems like an overwhelming majority of plus players don’t like the DBO rule.

I agree it makes sense that they do have a DBO in the lower divisions- if you want to hit a bunch of home runs we have a place for you- the plus division.

I'm baffled by this ruling for the plus level.

SSUSA can you explain your reasoning?

They're time limits on all games except the championship game so its not like the plus games go longer until the last one.

All the plus players I've spoken with except Tim seem to be against it.

Is it because the umpires would get confused remembering two sets of rules?

SSUSA can you please explain?
Dec. 11, 2013
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HR rule - why????

I too would be interested in hearing SSUSA’s rationale for the rule change for plus.

It seems like an overwhelming majority of plus players don’t like it.

I agree it makes sense that they do have a DBO in the lower divisions- if you want to hit a bunch of home runs we have a place for you- the plus division.

I'm baffled by this ruling for the plus level.

SSUSA can you explain your reasoning?
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