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Dave (Mango) Meggison

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Orange, CA

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Men's 50

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July 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA how can we get reclassed? MTC 50 2014 major Plus

Tim- the gist of my post above was twofold. One- that your oft-repeated cockamamie "turn over the top" theory has more holes than a colander. No one is buying it. NO ONE. Two -,alternate reasons why some teams are reluctant to play in the Plus division.

Your position seems to suggest or imply that the Warriors are "afraid" to play the top teams in their age group. I can tell you from personal experience that is not the case! We played them several times and every time they came ready to play. They are a very good team. They laced up their cletes , grabbed their gloves and bats and came out and played good hard softball. There was no quit in them.

Once you recognize and admit the error and folly of your colander theory you could devote your considerable time and energy to pushing for an exemption or easing of the basket of equalizers newly moved up teams must hand out when playing teams outside their classification. Think "transitioning period".

That is, if you're not averse for " pushing for anything in senior ball".
July 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA how can we get reclassed? MTC 50 2014 major Plus

Regarding Tim’s one man quest to change Senior Softball.

Tim- I try to resist but I can’t help myself.

Tim’s words in quotes.

“The Warriors are just the latest example of what happens when you don’t make the Plus champions follow the same rules….” * The Warriors record when playing past plus champions this past year was 3-1. They went 1-1 against the Legends and 2-0 against Nazzareno. Their 2 loses to DLB at the Worlds were before DLB had won the championship. Sommerville only has 6 past champion players. That’s a .750 winning percentage against past champions. Not sure they would want to banish those teams.

“Turning over the top works well in every other division….” No-it doesn’t. Not if you are basing success on number of teams in a classification at the Worlds. 2014 Worlds 50 division- 15 teams at Plus; 31 teams at Major; 62 teams at AAA; 8 teams at AA. Explain how the numbers in AA supports your theory.

Tim you make a fundamental attribution error. You’ve cherry picked one thing that happens in one division and not another and believe that is the cause of participation differences between those divisions. If turning over the top is what grows a division, how come AA doesn’t have the same robust number of teams as the middle divisions? Could it be something other than your oft-repeated mantra? Could it be that turning over the top in the outlier groups actually shrinks participation?

There could be other differences that may come into play that make the Warriors not fond of Plus. Here are two more plausible suggestions than having a .750 winning percentage against past champions: 1) Like-giving yours, as well as other 50 major teams, a basket of equalizers instead of playing them straight up in SSUSA as well as your local play. Perhaps you could start a push to lessen the equalizers for recently moved up teams when playing out of their division. That might help grow the division. 2) The paucity of teams in the Plus division.

“I don’t want to push for anything in senior ball…” Really Tim? Really?

“I still cannot understand…” Yes Tim, I know. :-)

July 9, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Hall of Fame--Fran

Congratulations Fran! Well deserved. I appreciate all you and your husband do for Senior Softball!You have always been a pleasure to work with. Every encounter I have ever had with you over the past 10 years has been exceptionally pleasant and positive.Again-Well deserved!!
Mango
June 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Major plus problem

Tim I’m a little confused. You didn’t cut anyone or add new players yet you are 30% different defensively? It must be fantastic living in your world.

And I think its great you offering to make a lateral move to 50 majors. Not sure what a lateral move does for your argument that teams that win at the plus level should be “bumped” up. Do you mean “bumped” sideways?

Congratulations again to your team on winning at the Plus level despite your repeated claims you couldn’t.

By the way- I’m still working on trying to find an example for you of a team that was bumped, didn’t change personnel and managed to be competitive at the plus level…. Give me time; I’m sure I’ll come up with someone….

June 21, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Major plus problem

Webbie. Great post and spot on in your assessment of the one-man vocal minority aka Tim! Contrary to what Tim says SSUSA NEVER, I repeat NEVER has broken up a team. A lot of sandbagging teams choose to do that rather than play the next division up. And, is often the case, the real world and facts are strangers to Tim and his interpretations.

Despite Tim’s verbal protestations that teams must disband or cut players to compete at the next level the facts and reality are quite different. Now, if only I could give Tim an example of a team that was bumped up and didn’t disband or cut friends and managed to win. Hmmm….
Oh, and by the way-Tim –congratulations to you and your team for winning Reno, possibly the most prestigious SSUSA tournament of the year so far. Well done. Now if I could just come up with an example that Tim would be capable of seeing….
:-)
June 15, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Smoky Mtn.

Our experience at the Smoky was great! A good strong competitive group in our division. The field we played on was big, 315 down the lines and 350 to center. Lots of homers, as you would expect in 50 Major Plus, but no cheap homers- you had to hit them to get them out of the park. Games ran on time and they had us out of there by noon on Sunday (very considerate for teams traveling). As in most Senior Ball umpiring was a mixed bag but mostly good. In five games we had two glaringly bad calls-one for us and one against us. That's fewer mistakes than we made that weekend.

It was nice to play some of the top teams in the East. Overall an excellent tournament!

Stick,
I’m sorry I missed you there; sounds like you were on the next diamond.
Mango

June 2, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foot placement in batter's box before pitch

Mario- that was exactly my point.
May 31, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: One up Rule in the Open Inning!!!

JT,
You bring up an interesting topic for discussion. You state that it's always an advantage to be home team and that seems to be a widely held assumption in the slow pitch world. I'm not so sure. In baseball there is an advantage to being home because it's a low scoring game and you have the ability to " manufacture" a single run by stealing, bunting, hit and run etc. All of which you can't do in slow pitch softball. I believe both home and visitors each have advantages. Personay, I like being visitors for a number of reasons ( I believe there are stronger advantages most of the time) Setting the one up rule aside, what advantages are there for being home versus visitor in slow pitch?
May 30, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foot placement in batter's box before pitch

Screame 5
I'm interested in your thoughts as a u trip ump for over 20 years about having the same box for a ball that can hit the front of the plate for a strike (in senior ball) whereas in Utriip that pitch would be a ball? Shouldn't the box be moved slightly forward to compensate?
May 30, 2015
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foot placement in batter's box before pitch

I know there was a degree of controversy in Reno with "out of the box" last weekend. I felt sorry for the officials who were encouraged to enforce a rule usually not strictly enforced in other tournaments throughout the year. Like the "carrying the ball over" rule in basketball, the written rule differs from the normal enforcement. Same thing with baseball where the strike zone is the"bottom of the knees" to the top of the shoulders. Can you imagine a major league umpire enforcing that zone? The letter of the law/rule differs from the normal enforcement and is culturally accepted. On a freeway you don't expect to get a ticket for doing 70 in the fast lane even though the law says 65.

I know officials were encouraged to "strictly enforce" the batters box rule in Reno. I'm not sure it was beneficial or added anything to the game. I felt sorry for the umpires and frustrated players who normally extend the box.

Finally on extending the box forward-Since batters box dimensions and placement were designed with baseball and softball in mind where the ball needs to "cross " the plate in order to be a strike, and not "hit" the plate- wouldn't It make sense to adjust the placement of the box forward the front more to compensated? Which players and officials usually do when the lines are removable.
May 20, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Dancer,
If you have a choice and want to take equalizers-always take the runs. Good luck.
May 19, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Dancer,
When a 50 major plus team plays a 50 major team the major team gets potentially 4 equalizes.
1. They get 5 runs or 11 defensive players.
2. They play the lower teams runs per inning from 7 to 5
3.They play the lower teams home run rule with DBO
4. If the lower team takes the 5 runs they also are allowed to score 6 runs in an inning while the more talented team is restricted to 5.

To answer your question about the case where a team plays a team two classes above they get the 11 fielders and the runs as well as the other equalizes mentioned above.


May 18, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Benji,
Please don't be disappointed. I wasn't advocating for less skilled teams to take equalizers. I was merely agreeing with Jawood that the lesser skilled teams aren't just receiving "an" equalizer, but a basket of equalizers. Their runs per inning rule, their homer rules, extra players, extra runs etc.
May 17, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

I agree with Jawood that when playing a team of less skilled players ( lower classification) the 5 runs an inning as opposed to 7 is an equalizer. You are also playing the "less skilled players" home run rule which is another equalizer. The extra runs or players is merely a third equalizer for the less skilled players.
May 4, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Softballs in Reno

SSUSA
Thanks for the prompt reply.
May 4, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Softballs in Reno

Thanks Tim,
However last year in several tournaments Trump stores without the SSUSA logo were used ( isa, Asa etc). I was wondering if these are ok to use this year as well. I guess it's referring to the second part of the rule that says " pre-approved by SSUSA headquarters in Sacramento". Was wondering if SSUSA could weigh in on this.
May 3, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Softballs in Reno

Does anyone know what balls can or will be used in Reno? The rule reads as follows:
In all SSUSA-sponsored qualifiers and tournaments, official game balls must have the official SSUSA stamp or be pre-approved by SSUSA headquarters, located in Sacramento, CA

I was wondering what balls without an SSUSA stamp are allowed/pre-approved. It seems like last year there were conflicting rulings. Any clarification would be appreciated for the 2015 season.
Thanks.

April 27, 2015
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Las Vegas Tourney

1. Summy's 55
2. MTC 55
3. Aftershock
March 23, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Not HAPPY with Bats Unlimited!

Hey Big Mike,
I've been dealing with Steve from Bat's Unlimited for over 8 years. He's always been above board, honest and straight forward. Nothing sketchy about him or Bat's Unlimited. I can't speak for FedEx or your neighbors but Bat's Unlimited is OK in my book. I read an article around Christmas about thieves following Fed Ex trucks and picking up packages left on doorsteps. If that happened I don't see how Bats Unlimited is responsible.
Mango
March 14, 2015
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Required Face Masks

How about toning down the balls? The easiest fix for directors to control the safety of the game. Second easiest fix is getting rid of rules that encourage power hitters to hit the ball down ( return to the dead ball walk)
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