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Dave (Mango) Meggison

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July 19, 2013
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: LVSSA 2007

KNDKCOOK
In the 1980’s I played with your father on the Shubin’s team you mentioned as well as Rebs and the The Breakers. I have a picture of one of our Shubin’s Teams on the wall in my game room that has your father in it. If you would like I can scan it and send you a copy of it if you give me your email.

I played with and against him starting in the late 70’s through the late 80”s. Your father was an excellent pitcher and fierce competitor. He was a bit of a character as well.
Mango
June 30, 2013
Mango
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

Suggestion- 3 divisions per age group-AA, AAA, Major.
AA- no homers,dead ball inning ending out
AAA- no homers, dead ball out
Major-7 homers,one up walks,6 runs per inning ( the run per inning rule should keep most games close)

The defending Major World champs play the following year (that year only)in all tournaments as a "Plus" team giving an equalizer (either runs or fielder)to all major teams that want it until they get to the world. In the world the only equalizer allowed would be an extra fielder.

These suggestions could be tweaked but you get the idea. The biggest culprit in the current system is the home run rule in the lower divisions ( current major and AAA). That is where the tube of toothpaste needs to be squeezed.


Mango
April 10, 2013
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: P413 revisited

Point of clarification- I was hitting the GSC farther than the white combat, but not farther than the red Ultra.

April 10, 2013
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: P413 revisited

So let me preface this by saying that I have no financial stake in GSC. However, I have known and been friends with Steve MacKinlay for over 30 years. And it is BECAUSE I know Steve and his, how shall I say …. over exuberance and tendency toward hyperbole, that I viewed all this talk about his “super bat” with a great deal of skepticism. I hit one of his prototypes about a year and a half ago (that he told me was fantastic) and it was terrible. It didn’t break, but it was dead.. Somewhere in the past year and a half they figured it out.

After yesterday I am no longer a skeptic. I hit Mac’s bat for about 60 swings, then used my bat of choice for the last 4 years. I put my red Miken (because I was afraid it would break) back in my bag after using it for about 10 swings to gauge the distance of the field. I also swung a white combat centenarian ( another bat I break between 75-100 swings). I was hitting the GSC bat farther.

For me, Mac’s bat was not better than the bat I’ve used for the last 4 years (red Miken) in terms of distance. But it was very very close. However, in terms of durability…it appears to be not even in the same solar system…we put over 500 swings on it today and I was told it had 500 plus when we started. I’m ecstatic if I get 75 to 100 swings on my red Ultras, often times breaking them in under 50. I would never even consider putting an Ultra through what we did to that bat yesterday.



If he gets that bat approved, and I don’t see why it wouldn't because it is not hotter than a red Ultra,players will no longer have to sacrifice durability for performance.

To quote Softball4B… it will be a game changer.

Mango

March 25, 2013
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Please send you thoughts and prayers... for the RUDY FLORES FAMILY...

I too enjoyed Rudy as a teammate on the Sun Devils Team when we won the 40 Worlds a couple of times in early 2000’s. This was after playing against him for years in the A division in the 70’s and 80’s. I know what the Wood was talking about- it was much better having him on your team than playing against him. God Bless Rudy - a fierce competitor!

Mango
Nov. 29, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting!

Tim,
You are missing the point. It is not “turning over the top” that accounts for the larger number of teams in Major and AAA. If “turning over the top” were a magic panacea then you would have more teams in AA.

For the sake of argument. lets say I accept your premise =that health is determined by the number of teams in a division, which in turn is a result of “turning over the top”. Then your theory still collapses because the AA division is small yet they “turn over the top”. There are no “Dynasty” teams. If turning over the top leads to health- then AA should have more teams. But they don’t. Do you see how the math doesn't add up in your theory?

What you are doing is looking at Plus and saying, “what is different?” Your answer- the winner doesn't leave. Then you erroneously conclude that this must be the cause of the low number of teams. But its not. Because if that were the case AA would have a larger number of teams based on your theory.

However- what you should do is look at AA and Plus and ask- “How are they similar? Answer- the skill level of both divisions is at the extreme ends of the spectrum.
There are fewer really good players than average players, and fewer really bad players than average players. And those players participate in the highest and lowest divisions. Its simple math.

And I believe the bell curve is a much better theory. At least there is no evidence to the contrary like in your theory. I know you love your theory and are committed to it. But it just doesn't make sense and you yourself have disproved it with your own words. Please consider the bell curve theory as an alternate, better theory. Or explain the low numbers in AA (remember they are bitter you have devoted all your energy to the “plus problem” and neglected fixing them).

Mango

Nov. 28, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting!

Tim
It is obvious you are very passionate about your theory on the “problem” with major plus. And I appreciate your passion. However, I’m not sure your premise about the low number of teams at the plus level is correct. You postulate that it is due to “Dynasty” teams frightening the borderline major teams that would otherwise move up.

Well if your premise were correct then we should see a host of borderline major teams, including yours, ready to move up since there have been three different champions in the past 3 years at the plus level. Do you believe that will happen this year? That’s a rhetorical question-we both know the answer to that. And I believe as someone has pointed out- you are on record as saying if the dynasty teams were removed you STILL would not play plus. So those are 2 pretty compelling pieces of evidence that your premise is incorrect about the low number of teams at the plus level.

If those two are not enough there is more empirical evidence that disproves your theory. Look at the very similar number of teams in the AA World (10) compared to the Plus World (7). Yet the AA champions get moved up, so there are no “Dynasty” teams at the AA level. And we see their participation rate is roughly the same as Plus. If your “theory” were correct then we should see AA division as robust as the AAA and Major divisions. It is not, and is further evidence that your theory is incorrect. I suggest its time to find a new theory.

An alternate, more plausible, theory is this is the natural order of things. That you are going to have outliers at both ends of the skill spectrum. A natural bell curve if you will. The average will bunch to the middle while the extremes will be at both ends.

As someone who has played Major Plus 7 out of my 8 years in Senior Softball I appreciate all the hard work you've done as a major player trying to solve the Plus “problem”. However I must say that some of the AA players have shared with me privately that they feel quite slighted that you haven’t given as much passion, attention and effort to fix their “problem”. I’m sure they are anxiously waiting for you to come up with a theory to explain the low numbers at AA and fix their problem.

Mango


Nov. 23, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting!

Jawood,
When a major plus team played a major team they would split the difference on homerun rules- 0 for major, 12 for plus would be 6 in the game, followed by one-up/walks. The runs per inning would split the difference as well - 9 for plus, 5 for major would equal 7 runs per inning. You would end up with rules very close to the existing major rules today whenever a major team played a major plus team. The rest of the time they wouldn't be able to hit homeruns- my guess is they would begin to welcome playing the plus teams. And some upper level major teams would possibly be "enticed" into playing plus.
Nov. 18, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting!

Make home runs in every division but major plus dead ball outs. See how many plus players want to play major or AAA then.
Nov. 18, 2012
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention

If the screen is to protect the pitcher it is not logical that he can then be a fielder.
Nov. 18, 2012
Mango
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Update from USSSA National Convention

If the screen is to protect the pitcher it is not logical that he can then be a fielder.
Nov. 18, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Thoughts for the upcoming SSUSA Rules Committee meeting!

A133,
I think what he means is if you add up the population of Tennessee and all its adjoining states (Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, N. Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky)it comes out to 55.5 million, which is considerably higher than Florida (16 million), or California (36 million). How can you restrict California and Florida and not states like Tennessee? Not to mention the geography of the states. California is an extremely long state. For Southern California teams, players in parts of Nevada and Arizona are geographically more desirable than Nor Cal players. 3 to 4 hour drive time as opposed to 7-10 for Nor Cal players.

Mango
Oct. 20, 2012
Mango
Topic: Bats
Discussion: White Centenarian Short barrel

I have purchased 4 of them. They were way hotter out of the wrapper than than either the yellow or gray combats of the past. They were sick. Within 20 swings they were as hot as my red ultra. I was thinking that if they had the same durability as the gray or yellow combat I would give up my red ultra forever.

The first one broke around 60 swings. Had another one break about 75 swings. 3rd one broke under 100 swings. I still have the 4th one with around 50 swings on it...in my bag for games only. Another player on our team Bully broke his in under 100 swings as well. The bats are sick hot...but no durability.
Sept. 30, 2012
Mango
Topic: Associations
Discussion: future of senior softball

Tim, Swing Donl,

I've seen you guys go back and forth on this issue for sometime. I’m going to make another suggestion. That, the propensity for there to be more teams ‘in the middle levels” of any given age group of senior softball is no more different than there being more people toward the average or middle in anything. Be it intelligence, height, ability to jump, run etc.

In probability theory, the normal (or Gaussian) distribution is a continuous probability distribution that has a bell-shaped probability density function, known as the Gaussian function or informally as the Bell Curve: In the bell curve there are fewer outliers at either end of the x axis. There are fewer people 7 feet tall and 3 feet tall than there are people 5 feet tall. The further, or more extreme out you go to either end of the axis , the less people you will find there.

This holds true to Senior Softball as well. There are fewer Plus and AA teams than AAA and Major. This is a Normal Distribution! This is also a function of the number of levels at each age group. If you were to add more levels (making it 6 instead of 4) by adding say, Super Major Plus, and A, you would find even less teams in those outliers than compared to the middle, following the bell shaped pattern. Conversely, if you were to reduce the number of levels to say, 3, you would find more balance in number of teams in each division. I’m not saying that needs to be done, just that you would find more balance in number of teams, and it is a function of the number of levels.

Mango


Sept. 30, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: This is a first...

Swing, not sure of your situation but maybe some of you have heard the true story of the “potato Pick-off”. In a minor league baseball game in the 80’s a catcher snuck a potato, peeled to look like a baseball, onto the field. With a runner on third base he pulled the potato out of his pocket and fired it wildly over the head of his third baseman. The runner on third came trotting home only to be tagged out by the catcher who was waiting for him with the real ball. After the umpires realized what had happened, they ruled the runner safe and the catcher was pulled from the game - by his manager (and I believe, released from the team the next day). Obviously, the catcher’s intention to deceive was taken into consideration. A little bit different than your situation but a pretty amusing story.

Aug. 8, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Prayers needed for the Dowell family

Dave and Fran,
Thoughts and prayers are with you.
Mango- Sommerville Softball
July 27, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: TOURNAMENT WINNER AUTO MOVEUP

Hey Jawood,
I'm not sure about how well that rule helps or hurts the plus division. It's probably too new to tell. Also just to set the record straight we actually have only 1 player outside our bordering state, and yes he is very good. But...he has only played in 2 tournaments with us ever. He played with us once in SPA a couple years ago and once this year in Reno. That rule hasn't "made" our team. How that rule helps other plus teams or major teams that want to move up probably remains to be seen. I'm not sure if you guys or other teams have had a chance to utilize it yet or not.


You guys had a couple of bad breaks with injuries in Reno this year, but it was good playing you guys in the finals again this year. I liked the outcome better this year than last. Best of luck to you and your team.

Mango

July 26, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: TOURNAMENT WINNER AUTO MOVEUP

Hey Joe,
Yes it was good seeing you in San Clemente a couple of weeks ago. And as far as the geographic make up of our team you are correct. When we played in the 45’s we were a team made up ENTIRELY of southern California players- we ALL lived within 70 miles of each other-though most every other team we met and defeated at the worlds (for 6 years) were multi- state teams. By the way, we never complained about multi state/no geographic restriction teams- those were the rules. We didn’t even care when a norcal team was flying in players from Washington and as far away as Valdosta Georgia to try and beat us. The rules allowed it. We just beat them with our local socal guys and our very limited sponsorship.

When we joined the Mavericks they had 1 norcal guy –the only one of 18 players that didn’t live within 70 miles of us. Actually for one of those years we had 1 and a half players from Norcal(Sorry DuffJ). And California was an island so we had no exemptions or bordering states players.

Recently, As Sommerville Softball, 2 of our socal boys moved to adjoining states. Fortunately for us California is no longer and island and those 2guys who have played with us for years and are from socal can still play with us. So yes Joe, you are right that 2 of our guys no longer live within 70 miles of us.
Again great seeing you Joe, best of luck to you and your team.

Mango

July 25, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: TOURNAMENT WINNER AUTO MOVEUP

Tim
Yikes! Ouch!! Ahhhhh… Sorry I/we wrecked senior softball. I’ve been reading your position on making the major plus division more suitable for your team to be able to play in for a while now. And I refrained from making any comments even though many of the things you and others have said about our team are not true-from our budget size, to our record, to where our players come from. Your comments demean our team, and make it sound like what we have done was easy. I assure you it was not. One of the most difficult parts was coming on a team that had been in existence for a long period of time without a lot of success at the Major Plus level and changing their attitude. When the attitude changed so did the level of success.

But I couldn’t refrain from commenting when you made the statement about Mario- that his attitude- “wanting to play the best teams is what kills the upper division”. On prima fascia value alone that statement is ridiculously wrong-“players wanting to play up kills the upper level”? That doesn’t even make sense. But I can tell from Mario’s “attitude” that he is a big boy and doesn’t need my help. Congratulations to him and OKI for winning SPA worlds. I hope nobody makes them break up before the SSUSA worlds. If they did there would be less teams at the world, not more.

Tim- I understand you are passionate about your viewpoint. I like passion. I also like facts. You have many facts wrong about who we are. I would be willing to share those facts with you over a friendly beer sometime. Best of luck to you and your team this season, at whatever level you play at- you have a lot of good players on that team. I wish you all the success you deserve.


Mango
Sommerville Softball

July 24, 2012
Mango
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: TOURNAMENT WINNER AUTO MOVEUP

Tim,
You say you want to grow the upper division. It sounds like ASA’s plan didn’t grow the upper division but quite the opposite got rid of it. And you mention history, but didn’t that show that once you got rid of the super division then the same problems happened in the major? What makes you seem to think it will be any different in Senior Softball?

Softball, I believe, is like a pyramid with the “best” teams at the top. They are, by definition, fewer in number. Softball’s growth has always been at the lower divisions. Pushing the top teams at those lower divisions upward allows that growth. It sounds like your team has become one that is considered a top team in its division. Much to your chagrin it is being pushed upward. Your team playing the next level up would obviously help grow the uppers. It would also allow more room for the top AAA teams and so on down the line. So, for the good of softball, I would think you would want to move up and play.

I believe it is players like Mario and their attitudes that allow softball to grow, not only at the highest levels but all levels. And players/teams, who when faced with the challenge of moving up, selfishly quit or break up, actually are destroying not only growth at the upper levels but growth at all levels of softball.

Mango,
Sommerville Softball


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