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June 29, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Remember When...........

Two words come to mind regarding this issue: Play Station
June 16, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Smoky Mtn.

T.C.Sr, based on what you posted it sounds like the hpu may have made the 'catch" call too quickly and the bu made the 'safe" call where he shouldn't have. The call on play, as you desribe it, is the home plate umpires call. It's good the umps got together after you asked them to. I don't know what they discussed but they should first have determined who's call it was. Since it's the hpu call they should have went with his call even though he may have made the call prematurely. The bu shouldn't have made any call whatsoever--that wasn't his call. It should have been 2 outs runners at first and second.

June 15, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Smoky Mtn.

Mango, yes we were on the diamond next to you guys Sunday. We didn't get much of a break so I didn't get a chance to watch your game. You guys must have played well because there were some strong teams in the 50 major plus.
Good luck to you guys the rest of 2015!
June 15, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Major plus problem

Mario just for the record in USSSA Class D it's 2 hr's with an out after.
In E it's an out, the inning is over and an offensive ejection.
June 14, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Smoky Mtn.

T.C.Sr, only going by your description and not seeing the play I say ABSOLUTELY that home plate umpire should have stuck with his call!! Just curious, if you saw the play did the defensive team ask the home plate umpire for help?
June 12, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Smoky Mtn.

Playing in the 50 major finals at Sandy Spring (we were moved to this division because there were no other 55 major plus teams for us to play) there were three general calls/technique which I had issues with--and all were in our favor.
1)We're in the field. Runner on first, 1 out. 2-2 count on the batter. He hits a dribbler in front of the plate. Couple of our guys scream out, "ump it hit off his foot, he's out". Home plate umpire says nothing. Base umpire runs in and calls the batter out for hitting it off his foot. Home plate ump never pointed or asked him for help. Bad technique--that's not the base umpires call--unless he askes for help its the home plate umpires call.
2) We're batting. Bases empty, 1 out. Our batter hits one down the right field line. Base umpire runs down the line as he should points fair. After the right fielder bobbled the ball the batter-runner goes for second. Throw comes in and it's a bang-bang play. The base umpire is standing half way out in right field and the home plate umpire is standing behind the plate. Base umpire calls him safe (in our favor) from right field. Bad technique--when the base umpire runs out into the outfield to make a call the home plate should run out and cover any calls in the infield-in this case second base. It becomes a one man situation.
3) On the same play as #2 the defensive team is vociferously arguing the fair call. Home plate umpire yells out "ask your catcher". Omg, NEVER do this!! Umpire should never use a player to back up a call.
Granted this is a reflection of my USSSA training. If ISSA, SSUSA and ASA (these umps were ASA) are different then I'd be interested in reading their technique on this and the intent behind it.
June 4, 2015
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: infield fly rule

Neck you mentioned a rule change. Shifting sports here to high school basketball. About 3 or 4 years ago Michigan changed the ruling on a double foul. It used to be you go to the possession arrow to determine which team gets the ball. Now they have what is called "point of interruption". The ball stays with the team who had possession at the time of the double foul. They get the ball out of bounds at the spot nearest the double foul. Would you beleive this past winter a coach, a very prominent coach I will add, didn't know that rule?
June 3, 2015
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: infield fly rule

Had a play umpiring in a GM league a few years ago. Bases loaded one out. Batter hits a pop up to short. I call "infield fly, batter is out". Runners stay on their respective bags. Shortstop lets the ball drop, throws to third who steps on third. Third throws to second who steps on second. The team runs off the field hi-fiving each other thinking they got a double play. The runners then take off and all score. Three runs in and two outs with bases now empty. I then tell the defensive team to get back on the field. The argument I got from them was unreal.
May 29, 2015
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Missing 1st Base Before the Throw Arrives

BJ and Garocket you might be right. Consider this scenario: runners on second and third (myself and BJ), 2 outs. Garocket hits one in the gap, I score, BJ scores. Garocket pulls up to second base with a stand up double--but he misses first. Play is over. Then next batter comes up. Before the first pitch the pitcher appeals the runner on second missed first. Umpire calls Garocket out to make 3 outs. Do the runs count?
May 29, 2015
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Missing 1st Base Before the Throw Arrives

You guys are killing me!! lol
Cal50 in your first scenario yes the umpire does signal and call safe. Then if by chance an alert pitcher or infielder screams out "ump live ball appeal, he missed first" Since the batter- runner did miss first and he is tagged going back to first he would be out (presuming the ump saw him miss first) and the run from third counts only if he crossed the line or scoring plate before the tag was made at first. It would not count if the tag was made before the runner crossed the line or scoring plate. This is a timing play.
The way I see your second scenario as you describe it (and i'd have to see this one live) is almost the same thing as a batter-runner hitting one in the gap, going to third but misses second base. The fact that the runner in your scenario may have been agile enough to avoid being tagged without going out of the baseline doesn't make it a force or appeal. If this runner gets to second he is presumed to have achieved getting to that base--then the force is off. Then the live ball appeal and timing scenario as I described in your first scenario applies. But there might be some grey area.
Hope this helps.
Might see you in Tennessee next weekend!!
May 29, 2015
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: infield fly rule

That umpire was WRONG!! Since the infield fly rule was called the batter is automatically out. Runners advance at their own risk, they are not FORCED to advance to the next base. In your scenario that runner should have been tagged out going to third. Since you state that he wasn't all runners are safe and the run scores. The result of the play should be two outs, runners on second and third with one run scoring.
May 27, 2015
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: ball tipped over fence with no bome runs left, bases loaded, playing rules were walks after no HR Left. what should happen.

USSSA changed in 2013 to hit and sit for a ball tipped over the fence.
May 25, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Crump you have a great memory. I never knew we had players missing that were coming in that night. Anyway I agree with you when you say we just love to play. Being on OKI the last few years we got used to spotting 5 runs or an 11th fielder. Yes thats a rule that I'd like to see changed but it is what it is so we just play ball. Good luck to you guys the rest of the season!!
May 24, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Crump those are all valid points. Do you remember playing in Birmingham AL that one year? The first play-in game we played we had to give that team both 5 runs and an 11th fielder (mistake by the tournament director). That was when they gave the teams 5 runs to start the game. What was so absurd about that was you won the flip and took home team and they scored 5 in the top of the first. We were down 10-0 before we even batted and couldn't tie the score!!
May 22, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Well said 17black. Back in the day when playing B and A ball we didn't get any equalizers when we played AA or major teams. Conversely if we played a C or D team they didn't get any equalizes. It was straight up ball. In senior ball besides the hr rule and runs per inning rule 5 extra runs or an 11th fielder is absurd.
May 19, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Neck as far as me, I consider myself remarkably sub-average!! Stewie has been hitting it like the Stewie of old-- home runs & lasers everywhere. He hurt his shoulder last weekend in Lansing and was supposed to have it looked at by a doctor. Hope it's nothing serious.
May 15, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 5 runs or 11 fielders

Playing 50 major plus the last seven years I've always been on the side where our team has to give the other team 5 runs or allow the 11th fielder. Personally I think the rule is absurd but if I was a 50 major team playing a 50 major plus team and I was the one choosing it would be the 5 runs. While Donnie makes valid points about how an 11th fielder can help the defense I wouldn't want my team getting too used to having 11 fielders. Especially considering in the tournament phase we'll likely be playing with 10 fielders. In my humble opinion of course.

May 11, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Ranken "Tater" Johnson passed

Even though I don't know Ranker and Kimberly reading this hits home for me because in March my dad passed away in a similar fashion that Kimberly's dad did. Kimberly, as you may well know by now, right after a loved one passes you have good days and bad days. I'm very sorry for your loss and I pray that you can look back and remember fond memories of thew times you had with your dad like I do with mine.
May 10, 2015
stick8
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: ISA Senior World Series Columbus Indiana ???

Titanhd is there a website that has that info on the smokeys?
April 30, 2015
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: What is or what makes a player a major plus player?

Softball4b I love it!! Especially the thinking part. I try real hard not to think because each time I do it ends up being a disaster--I think? lol
Thanks for sharing
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