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John Beasley

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West Palm Beach, FL

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Dec. 10, 2013
Beasley
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HR rule - why????

@Southerson - and there's my point.

If the one Major+ team (AMR#1) wasn't that much better than the "FHC" teams they played, then why do they get classified as Major+ while the "FHC" teams you mentioned remain Major?

Should the teams they played get moved up or should AMR#1 get moved down? Just think of the good Major+ tournaments we could have in the Florida if all those teams were moved up......

I wasn't there so I'll have to ask, but were these teams actually FHC teams or did they pick up players from outside the FHC areas? You mentioned Clutch but I think you actually meant Steve Levin which is a mix of guys from the Clutch team (Orlando and outside FHC Area 1) and some of the Steve Levin guys (south Florida and in Area 1). If this was purely a FHC team then I would have to question the powers to be at FHC as to why they're able to pick up players outside Area 1 (and now Area 2).

My comment wasn't made trying to downplay the talent that's in Florida. If it was taken that way, then I apologize. Maybe I didn't word it as well as I should have.


Dec. 10, 2013
Beasley
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HR rule - why????

I apologize GeHall44 for getting side tracked.

I don't think any player enjoys hitting a ball over 300 feet and having it called an out. I can't speak for everyone but as far back as I can remember I was taught that hitting a homerun was the ultimate, the best single hit a hitter could have. Some of us were fortunate enough to play softball back in the day when you could hit as many homeruns as you wanted and it was fun. But like you mentioned the technology back then wasn't anywhere near what it is today. I'd almost bet that if you took the senior bat out of most players hands they'd quit for any variety of reasons.

Another reason for the HR rules is sandbagging. We all know who they are but nobody wants to say anything because we're friends with some of the guys on the team. Yes, there's a ton of excuses and my favorite one is "we don't have a sponsor". Yes it's true that right now a team has to travel to another state in hopes of finding another Major+ team. But if teams actually played up (instead of down) then there would be 4 or 5 Major+ teams in an area and you'd be able to play more local tournaments which wouldn't cost as much. But at least the sanctioning bodies are trying to find a solution to teams not wanting to play at the appropriate level. I just wish they choke the LOWER divisions with even fewer HRs and DBOs or even inning ending outs. Since Major+ is the top of the top, I believe it should be wide open, balls to the walls hit, play defense or go home.

The way I look at it is that we were lucky to have it count as a walk for as long as we did.

And whenever I get tired of playing by the current associations rules, I should take my money, start my own association, implement my own rules, offer National and World tournaments and give people a choice.

Until then all I can say is when's the next tournament......
Dec. 9, 2013
Beasley
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HR rule - why????

Yes Pat, there was only 1 team in the Major+ team at the Winter Nationals. Dang, you got me there.

But had we decided to play we would have been playing one of the top teams in the country, some of the best athletes in the country. Can playing in FHC make that same claim? I didn't think so.
Dec. 9, 2013
Beasley
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: HR rule - why????

While PJ3P makes a point, you can't compare the "tournament" he's talking about to a SSUSA, SPA, ISSA or any other regular tournament. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

The tournaments PJ3P is talking about is Florida Half Century and I also play. But IMO it's more like a league than a tournament. Instead of playing one game a week (4 games a month) you play all 4 games in a weekend. Similar to other sanctions, you're restricted to where you can pick up players. They basically group the Florida counties into areas and you're players have to live within that area in order to play on the team. Makes sense in an attempt to keep the teams equal and competitive. They also rank teams at the beginning of the year or when they 1st play during the year. As the months go on, you move up or down in the rankings based on your record during a weekend and if you're lucky enough to win your bracket you get an additional 4 points. And yes, it's unlimited home runs and unlimited runs per inning. The down side to all the homeruns and runs per inning is the fact that you don't play complete games, not even close in some instances. It's really not bad for the purpose it serves. It doesn't qualify you for squat, it's not a National and it's definitely not a World tournament. So what, a bunch of Florida guys get together once a month to play some softball, drink some beer, tell old stories and check up on old friends to make sure they're still above ground (one of the best attributes).

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing when I can. But lets not try to make it into the greatest thing since sliced bread. In reality, it's very similar to Major+ - we play the same teams almost every month and every now and then we'll see some new faces. Oh boy!!

IMO I'd rather deal with fair homerun restrictions and play for some type of birth or play in a National or World for that matter.
July 8, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: looking for local league play

@23L - If I could only read I'd be dangerous. I totally missed "azle area of texas,".

Good luck in finding a team.
July 8, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: looking for local league play

@23L-SS - Lake Worth? As in Lake Worth, Florida?
June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

@Rightrj

Yes, we're planning on being in Dalton this year. We've had a rough year with some injuries but we're going to pull things together and give it a shot.

We don't have much of a 40+ program here in Florida. At least from what I've been able to find anyway. I guess I'll have to look a bit harder. Thank you for the info.
June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Bats
Discussion: New Worth Legit 2 Piece Senior 1st test results.....

Yeah but Clatterbaugh could hit line drives into the trees with a broomstick. And don't think you're going to shift around on him or he'll "dink" it to left and just smile at ya from first base.
June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

Hey Cal,

I didn't take it as a bad thing.

I was just trying to clarify before the NCAA imposed sanctions on us. It's bad enough my Hurricanes can't get a straight answer after 3+ years of investigation.


June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

One last thing while I'm thinking about it. I heard there's only a hand full of teams in the 50+ Major+ in Dalton.

Where the heck are all these teams that want restrictions?

No team can have more than 6 impact players so you'd think the teams would have been beating the doors down trying to get into the tourney. Isn't this exactly what they've been asking for?

I guess this would be the latest example of how imposing restrictions at the Major+ level isn't the answer either.
June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

@Cal50

I don't know if you can call what we do recruiting. We look for talented players within our area that we feel will get along are representative of the rest of the team. We ask them to play, sometimes more than once, and explain things a thoroughly as we can. I guess you can classify that as recruiting even though the only thing we're able to offer them is the opportunity to play on what we think is a good team.

We've been turned down more than once with the excuse that they didn't want to go play 2 or 3 teams.

I don't think there's an easy solution to this otherwise something would have been done by now. But I sure am glad that I'm not on the SSUSA staff or any other association staff and have to listen to the whining.
June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

Did the East Bay Oldies win all their games when they first started playing - probably not.

Did they stick together and play well enough to be considered one of the better teams - it appears so otherwise they wouldn't have gotten bumped.

So IMO the latest example doesn't carry any weight.


June 28, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

@ Rightrj

I agree with you about the Vegas and Dalton tournaments. I think you could also throw in the ISSA World and maybe the Huntsmen Games. But I wouldn't limit it to just the Major+ division. SSUSA tabs almost all their tournaments as Nationals (east coast) and World (west coast) but are they really National/World tournaments? They're pretty much just another tournament that gives you a place to play in turning up for one of the true World Tournaments.

By the way, why are tournaments west of the Mississippi classified as World Tournaments and the ones east of the Mississippi National Tournaments. It almost gives us east coast guys an inferiority complex knowing that we're only playing in a "National" tournament. Sorry SSUSA staff, I just had to throw that one out there.

Sorry, I don't want to hijack the thread.

The thing is regardless of the plan chosen (unless you merge Major and Major+) it's going to take a couple years before we actually seen an impact.
June 27, 2013
Beasley
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: SSUSA Player Hannington/ Bay State Bombers 55 Bill Curry Dies in Ireland

Paul,

I don't know if any of the guys from Team 1 Sports has played against or knows Bill but he certainly sounds like an excellent ambassador for Senior Softball.

Please pass along our prayers and condolences from all the member of Team 1 Sports.

John Beasley
Team 1 Sports Softball - #3
June 27, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

I think Major+ is just fine.

It's the lower divisions that are broke because too many teams are allowed to play down which disrupts the true skill level within that division.

If you broke the talent levels up into 4 groups with 1 being the least skill level and 4 being the best skill level where would teams/players fall. Go through your lineup and rate your players. If you say that Jimmy is one of the best in the game then he belongs at the highest level.

Sometimes individual players aren't necessarily the best but when you put a group of them on the field they come together and bring out the very best in one another. The team is considered one of the best in the game and therefore should be playing at the highest level.

I mean, playing or being bumped to Major+ should be taken as an achievement not a punishment. A team was moved there because the sanctioning body felt your team was one of the best in the nation. But that doesn't seem to be the case for teams when they receive this honor.

Do I wish there were more teams - sure. But until someone makes the Major teams move up they're going to sit down there and play where they're allowed to play. This is the same problem that has gone on for years in younger softball and guess what - those same guys are getting older and pulling the same stuff in senior softball.

The question has been asked - why aren't the Major+ Champions bumped like the lower divisions? Answer - because there isn't anywhere to bump them to within the same age group. Having them play guys 10 years younger isn't the answer. Neither is breaking up a team because other teams haven't learned how to beat them.

But if Tim wants me to show my "guts" by getting on the field with them then lets go. Heck, bring on Resmondo, Dirty, AJD or any of the other big teams. What do we have to loose. It's a game, it's competition, it's the feeling of hitting a screamer only to have someone take it away from you. The feeling of playing a team that's going to make you put all your years of softball experience together in order to beat them.

I really need to remember some of this stuff for our next team meeting. My bloods pumping and I'm looking for my glove. Put me in coach, I'm ready to play.....
June 27, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

You're right Cal50, guts was probably a bad choice of words. I don't mean to offend anyone.

A more appropriate word would be drive or desire.
June 27, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

It's like putting tooth paste on your tooth brush.

Do you squeeze the tube at the top? If you do - where does the majority of the tooth paste go - down.

Do you squeeze the tube in the middle? If you do - some goes up and some goes down.

If you squeeze it at the bottom all the tooth paste goes up.

I just don't understand Tim's thinking. You seem hell bent on not making your team better but breaking up the good teams to bring the competition level to you. That being the case, I'm guessing you're going to the SPA Worlds because of the Impact Player rule. If you're not going then why not? It's pretty much what you want.

Here's another analogy for you - I'm General Motors and I'm having a difficult time making and selling cars because my cars just aren't as good as the foreign cars. So I push Congress to pass laws that say the foreign car makers have to make crappier cars so that I can compete with them. That's the good ole American way that I remember.

It took us years to find the right players to form what we feel is a good Major+ team. We are a self sponsored team and I can't begin to tell you how difficult it is to find quality players with good attitudes that don't mind footing their share of the entry fee, travel costs, lodging and meals.

If we are fortunate enough to win a World Tournament and have to get rid of everyone except 6 players we would go from a good Major+ team to a team that couldn't compete AT ALL. We wouldn't form two teams, instead we would disband and while some players may catch on with other Major+ teams, the majority would drop down to the Major level. Is that what you really want?

If Tim and his team don't like playing Major+ so much, let them drop - with this stipulation: they can only keep 6 players and of those 6 only 3 can be starters. Let Tim pick up a whole new team and rebuild the chemistry that his guys have built through the years.

Teams have complained that it's too expensive to play Major+ because you have to travel to play other Major+ teams. Well if more teams classified Major+ then there would be more teams in your area. IMO (yeah I know it smells like my butt) there are a couple Major teams here in Florida that could easily be bumped to Major+. We've played them in several tournaments and even though we have to give a player or runs, the games have been very competitive.

I don't mean to pick on Tim, it's just that I get tired of hearing that the best teams should break up. Major+ IS the cream of the crop, the best teams in the country. Don't think so - then do away with the equalizer rules and play them straight up by the Major+ rules. There may be some players in the lower divisions that are just as good or even better then the Major+ players but at least the guys currently playing Major+ have the guts to get out there and compete at the highest level.

I'm sure there'll be some guy giving me an earful the next time I make an error, don't make a play I should, or make an out. Oh well. Think it's easy - then put on your cleats, grab your bat and take my spot.
June 25, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

Limiting the courtesy runners could be varied for the different age groups with the higher the age the higher the number of courtesy runners. Maybe even restrict it by age group and level. It's another tough nut to crack.

I would agree that being able to use a courtesy runner for anyone on the team has turned into a strategic event. It seems like anytime a slow guy gets on base it's a no brainer that someone will replace him. If the rules allow it the teams are going to do it.

On the flip side, there are guys that are now enjoy playing the game they played when they were younger. There are some that this rule has helped because while they love the game, they just aren't physically able to get around the bases anymore. Without this rule they wouldn't be able to play. These guys aren't usually your outfielders or middle infielders but play positions where you're only expected to get a step or two.

I think this one will take some cyphering Jefrow.
June 25, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Major Plus

I'm sure I'll stir up a hornets nest but what the heck.

I have to disagree (surprise) with idahoreb. Defense is more important at the Major+ level than any other level. Everything that is mis-hit and stays in the park HAS to be turned into an out or you give the other team a big inning. EVERY play that is hit to an infielder has to be made or it turns into a big inning and you're going to need a couple ESPN type plays. Otherwise you're right, you're going to get drilled.

IMO if you're going to impose tougher rules, impose them at the lower levels to force the sandbaggers to move up where they belong. For instance at AA - one homerun and an inning ending out. Yes, in some cases with the wind blowing out you'll see a few innings ending because of a home run but heck that's the way it goes. AAA - three homeruns and an inning ending out. Maybe change the Major level to five homeruns and one up - an out if you can't go one up.

Lower division teams seem to think that they have to match homeruns with a higher division. Do you know how many times I've had my butt wore out by a lower level team that base hit us to death? Or how many times I've played on a team that's wore out a "superior" team by just playing our game? Go out and score your 30 something runs a game and I'll bet that you'll be there in the end. Don't get intimidated because you're playing this team or that team. Who cares that a team has guys that played some big time softball back in the day or that they're in the Senior Softball Hall of Fame. That's how you lay your claim to fame, by beating them.

I think the associations should band together and move teams up at the first hint they are sandbagging regardless of when it is - even in the middle of a tournament. But it needs to be across all the associations because teams will say SSUSA moves us up so we're going to play SPA, ISSA, or Billy Bobs Corn Field league. I heard, and I can't remember where, that a team showed up to play in a lower division in a tournament and after spanking two team, was given the option of being moved to an upper level or having their entry fee refunded and go home. That takes some nads by the tournament director but (IMO) is exactly what needs to be done.

Go ahead and let it rip guys, the bait's out there.
June 22, 2013
Beasley
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: SPA tourney in Daulton Ga.

Hey Mario,

Team 1 Sports is planning to be there.

I contacted Ridge the other day to get some info and he says he's gotten "a great deal of interest since they went to an impact players list".

Beaz
Team 1 Sports #3
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