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Discussion: New Miken 2 piece End Load (supermax)

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March 5, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
New Miken 2 piece End Load (supermax)
Just received my shipment of Mikens new end loaded senior bat. This is the bat taking the place of the old predominately red Ultra 2 that they are no longer making. Testing will begin tomorrow and I will update you on it's durability.sweet spot, and performance as soon as I get in results. If you have questions give me a call at 561-718-7504.
Alan
Team 1 Sports
March 7, 2013
JamesLG
296 posts

Hi Alan:

did you get a chance to test this bat? A few guys I know have the 2 piece Miken's and they are very pleased with the performance and durabuility.

Thanks:

James

March 8, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
Hi James,
I have tested the initial 2 piece which is a more balanced version. It responds well after 50 or so hits and continues to get better up until the 200 or so range where it levels off before it's life ends...it's durability is for sure better than the more current u2 line in the one piece version. I am hoping to begin testing the 2 piece Supermax ( end load) today and this weekend. I was at a 60's and 70's tourney the past two days and got quite a few out to guys there.as a result...I am getting more in Monday to fill orders on hand. The response from those players was all favorable although it's a very small window of at bats to look at. I will update you all as I have had more time with the bat. If you need more information you can reach me at 561-718-7504.
Alan Tanner
Www.team1sports.us
March 8, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4305 posts
Tri18,
Am curious, did the bat break or what? your words sounds as if it did:
"It responds well after 50 or so hits and continues to get better up until the 200 or so range where it levels off before it's life ends."
'Life ends', to me sure means it cracked or broke.
Please explain.
Even with the durability is better etc etc what life ended?
March 8, 2013
bkb555
85 posts
thats what i read into it too taits
March 8, 2013
JamesLG
296 posts


I know guys who have been hitting these bats in cooler weather and I have not heard of one breaking.
March 8, 2013
Bomber23
47 posts
Is the new 2-piece U2 truly replacing the Red Maxload U2 or is this just a sales ploy?
March 9, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
Sorry guys I wasn't too clear with the post. Both of the new Senior 2 piece Mikens utilize Mikens Triad technology designed to enhance durability. I will say that it does just that. Are they the most durable senior bat? Not exactly but the difference in the durability is there and especially with the end load Supermax. The past one piece red version was not durable at all but the Supermax is a step in the right direction. Remember that each hitter is different....ie, strength, technique, bat speed , etc. In general, the average Miken user should expect to see a 1.25-1.5 gain in number of swings that they can get over the life of this bat. I was assured by Miken that for now the one piece end load is officially retired and will not be re-issued as the Supermax is the new end load in their lineup. I was lucky to get my hands on them now as they are rapidly becoming a hot commodity among the stalwart Miken users! Hope this helps...
Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
March 9, 2013
Ugly Stick
Men's 60
20 posts
See now this is where I get confused. All these percentages and numbers. Do I really need all of this. I just want to buy a bat. You say you sell all of the senior bats. Do you sell Demarini or Worth. I heard both of their senior bats were hot as heck. I was thinking about buying a Demarini. The One it is called. Do you get them from the facotry, or do you buy them second and third hand... Thanks in advance. I just want the best bat for my money.. I know most seniors have a lot of money to spend on bats, I ufortunately don't.

Ugly Stick
March 9, 2013
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Alan, Is the new supermax a 1oz. end load.
March 9, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
Ju25, yes it is.
Ugly, feel free to call me and we will work together to find the bat that fits you best.
Alan
Team 1
March 11, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
Ok guys here is the scoop...
The new Miken Supermax is what I would consider better than the old red one piece. Is it more lively? No is it more durable? Yes is it as lively as the old red one piece? Yes, but a little farther down life's road...in summary, this is a different feeling bat than the old red model. If you like an end loaded bat, you will like the feel of a true end load in this model. It will not be crazy hot immediately like some of the old red ones...it does take a little time but it comes to life as early as 40 swings and up to app. 85 swings depending on the hitter. It's durability will easily surpass the old red one piece and it will average out in the 225-350 swing range. If you used this bat before you can expect around 15-25 percent more life than your old red model. All in all...an improvement and another fine bat in the Miken lineup. Just got ours in so If you want more information get with me.
Alan Tanner 561-718-7504
Team 1 Sports
March 12, 2013
BB#16
5 posts
225-350 swings, not durable enough for my wallet. IJS
March 12, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
BB,
Just to be clear you may get more than that if you use the bat. This was an average on the ones we tested using a variety of players . Remember each player has a different swing, bat speed, and strength. If you have used the red one piece in the past you will get more swings and overall life out of this model which is an improvement. Hope this helps you.
Alan
Team 1 Sports
March 12, 2013
5ToolsinOhio
Men's 50
160 posts
You say another fine bat by Miken, after saying it will average out in 225-350 swing range, I can see how some get confused by your endless posting.
March 13, 2013
BB#16
5 posts
Tri18,
Doesn't take a whole lot to be an improvement over the red Ultra II. 225-350 swings should not be acceptable to anyone. Every senior bat should have quality assurance test to the 800-1000 swing range.
March 13, 2013
big cat7
Men's 50
95 posts
I talked to alan today from Team 1 sports and he was very helpful in answering some questions i had about this bat.And the man definately knows what hes talking about as far as hitting and bats go.I plan on doing business with him from now on. Thanks alan
March 13, 2013
Allan55
79 posts
BB#16,

I agree with you. Miken comes out with a new bat, and it gets 225-350 swings. I guess Miken is really not too serious about regaining the market. They are just looking for more suckers. One day they will open their eyes and wonder why they are not selling many bats. When TPS produces a bat, Mikens may be on their way out. The new TPS kid bat (Z3000) is incredibly durable. The break-in period lasts longer than a Miken. If they put together a senior bat...the bat companies will be forced to make a more durable bat. Right now, they are too greedy.
March 14, 2013
Tim Millette
477 posts
TPS..now called Louisville Slugger already has a senior bat that has passed the BFF test.

It outperformed all the other senior bats we had during testing in exit ball speed...plus....the one I used had 780 swings on it when I gave it back for evaluation...

Of those swings...over 600 (530 of them by me) were done using the stadium high core/compression balls in 50 degree weather...these balls were old bp balls....the bat was producing exit ball speeds that averaged 103 mph with the top speed of 110mph

Last weekend we again went out to test the senior Louisville...on a baseball field 335 down the line...365 left center...395 straight away... many balls were leaving the park....around ten guys shared swinging four bats for six hours....four of the players were or currently are USSSA major/elite list players....70 degrees....all stadium balls.....maybe 3,000 swings.....no bats broke.....
March 14, 2013
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
TPS doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to durability. High performing bats that don't last very long. SB34 Genesis, Black Nexus,Z2000, all great bats, but all are known for poor durability. Supposedly that problem has been taken care of with the Z3000 line . Allan55, you say the 3000 has better (incredible)durability, but as far as I know this bat is a preorder and is not sheduled for release until April? Tim, Stadium balls are.47cor/450comp. It's amazing that a senior bat could withstand that kind of punishment. I am a soon to be 60 year old and I would never use a senior bat in temps below 60. I have broken USSSA and ASA bats with 44/375 balls in 50 degree weather, and I'm a linedrive, once in awhile HR hitter.
March 14, 2013
Tim Millette
477 posts
Ju, my points/numbers were nothing more then sharing information. And your right....under the conditions we were swinging in....no senior bat should have lasted.

I know I'd love a bat that compares to the senior bats and doesn't break in less then a thousand swings....even in cold weather with rock hard balls.

I think one of the problems with seniors and composite is the manufacturers have not been able to give the powerful hitters something better then the kids bat but more durable then the combats and Mikens I have used that don't last 100 swings even if it's 80 degrees.

If......the H&B senior bats that make it to market are comparable to the ones I have been testing......things will be changing.

I had the first genesis on the west coast.....it lasted around 50 swings.....or.....put another way.....maybe 25 less then a new ultra. My last Combat/yellow didn't make it to 85 cuts....my last ultra lasted about the same...I had a friend buy a red ultra at worlds three years ago....two of us shared it/it lasted four games/but it did break during a night game in phx.

Ju, I like you have had kids composites last forever....I have broke a few genesis bats, my original synergy and.....that's it. I sold my oh freak after five years....still have three synergy +s and a blue Worth.....all have thousands of swings on them.


March 14, 2013
Allan55
79 posts
ju25,

You are correct regarding the Z3000. They are due to come out soon. We were testing them recently.
March 15, 2013
ju25
Men's 55
139 posts
Just read that the release date of the Z3000 has been pushed back to June.
April 3, 2013
SD
Men's 50
5 posts
Can I ask a dumb question about the Miken 2 piece End Load (supermax)? I have a Miken Ultra II 28 Maxload, does this 2-piece bat have the same kind of weighting? Just trying to figure out what to get. Been told the 2-piece Balanced feels slightly end loaded also. Anybody have any suggestions ... besides not asking stupid questions, lol. Thanks
April 3, 2013
Tri18
603 posts
SD,
Not a dumb question at all. In fact , in regards to this particular bat, it's a very relevant question due to the new design. The more balanced 2 piece version was released first and well received. Because both the balanced and end load versions are a totally new design and of course a 2 piece model they feel slightly different than previous versions in one piece makeups. Even though the two piece "balanced" version is that, it's feel and swing weight suggest a different balance point and slightly more of an end loaded feel as compared to a black one piece U2. I tested and demo'd the bat and had a lot of players try it. Many players that preferred an end weighted bat bought the original 2 piece balanced version from me and are quite happy with it. Now here comes the Supermax with it's true end loaded feel and swing weight. For the true end weighted bat lover....a gem in design, feel, and functionality. So....all that being said, if you love the feel of your original red one piece end load chances are you will really like the new Supermax. On top of that, you will appreciate it's added durability. Hope this helps you and other guys out. If you need more help or assistance with that bat or any other one feel free to call me.
Alan Tanner
Team 1 Sports
561-718-7504
April 4, 2013
SD
Men's 50
5 posts
Alan, thank you for taking the time to explain, i sincerely appreciate it.. so, if i if think my 28 ultra II maxload is a little too heavy, a 28 2-piece balanced may be perfict. Or even a 2-piece 27 maxload. Jeez, i sound like i am talking to myself here, but Alan, does what i said make sense. Thanks, Steve D.

Ps- dennis turner of louisville told mr the tps z senior bst will be ready to be released in feb 2014. They want to make sure its prrfect. Met DT through hank basset and i see him every year at the asa national convention. Great guy. Alan, I wish you the best of luck, SD
April 4, 2013
SD
Men's 50
5 posts
Can I ask a dumb question about the Miken 2 piece End Load (supermax)? I have a Miken Ultra II 28 Maxload, does this 2-piece bat have the same kind of weighting? Just trying to figure out what to get. Been told the 2-piece Balanced feels slightly end loaded also. Anybody have any suggestions ... besides not asking stupid questions, lol. Thanks
April 4, 2013
SD
Men's 50
5 posts
Ignore that last question, I already asked it and Alan has answered it, why it was posted again, I have no idea, how do you delete a post so one does not look like a jacka$$. Thanks
April 4, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
432 posts
You can't. Get out of the thread immediately after you post and double posting shouldn't be an issue.
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