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Discussion: SSUSA approved bats vs. USSSA and ASA

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May 9, 2013
Cougar
10 posts
SSUSA approved bats vs. USSSA and ASA
I just spent an hour on the phone discussing my senior league's ruling on approved bats with my team manager. The vague rule regarding legal bats states: "All bats except Ultra I, II Launch, any bats marked SENIOR SOFTBALL." My argument was that my Reebok Melee is not labled SENIOR SOFTBALL but does have the SSUSA stamp on in.

My Launch DOES have SENIOR SOFTBALL stamped on the handle as well as the SSUSA stamp and thus meets the rule of being illegal. He then proceeded to argue that the SSUSA stamp was the defining fact in disqualifying this bat. I then argued that there may be bats out there approved by both ASA and USSSA that might have the SSUSA stamp on them and he argued that if it has SSUSA then it is illegal........I tried to convince him that the SSUSA stamp does not mean that the bat performs more than what USSSA allows but he couldn't understand the concept.

He then argued "why don't bats stamped ASA and USSSA have a SSUSA stamp on them if they are accepted unchallenged by the SSUSA? The only answer I could come up with is that their already known lower performance standards pretty much preclude them from even having to be tested.

Can anyone here help me out with this argument?
May 9, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
976 posts
you are correct and the argued point from your friend is out of ignorance!

Like the new ASA bats now are hotter than the USSSA bats.. they are built for the crap 52/300 ball.. But they are still not as good as the Senior bats.. You have to stay up with technology nowadays to argue the point!
May 9, 2013
taits
Men's 65
4251 posts
Not all bats were tested with the 52 cor ball, many were with the 44\375, and visa versa.
But as for the concept on what that person said according to what is wrote here:"All bats except Ultra I, II Launch, any bats marked SENIOR SOFTBALL." I doubt there are many if any that are both ASA and SSUSA stamped. Especially with the BPF performance at 98 or less for the ASA's and 1.20 or 1.21 for the others.
USSA is I believe, up to 1.20, but not all of them either.
Maybe you can find which bats were approved under with which balls at some site like B&N baseball, I think was the name of the very notable testing site.
May 9, 2013
Cougar
10 posts
I just received an update from my manager on the league rules:

"The ASA and USSSA are the only bats approved for our Senior league . Any SSUSA or Senior Softball bats are banned in our league."

That now brings me back to my original question. If a bat has the ASA and USSSA stamp on it, it obviously meets the legal criteria of both associations. BUT, if such a bat also has the SSUSA stamp on it, it is illegal in our league. The rational line of thinking would be that since the bat met the USSSA and ASA approval, any additional stamp of approval would be irrelevant to the bat's actual performance.

I don't know if any USSSA and ASA stamped bats actually have SSUSA stamps on them but if one does and is used in our league, the batter gets thrown out of the game............

My whole contention is that the rule is too vague and needs to be more closely defined. Specifically, only ASA and USSSA bats allowed with no mention of Senior Softball or SSUSA at all, which is currently clouding the conversation.
May 9, 2013
swing for the fences
Men's 50
976 posts
I have not seen a ASA bat with a SSUSA stamp... which bat has that???
May 10, 2013
WCMONSTA
31 posts
ALL bats that are BPF 1.21 rated are supposed to have that stated on the bat and that's what makes the bat illegal, not the SSUSA stamp so if the bat does not say "meets the BPF1.21 standard" it can have the SSUSA stamp and still have the ASA USSSA stamp but it. The umpire should look for the BPF 1.21 rating. There are other variables in this equation but it gets very confusing.
May 10, 2013
HJ
Men's 70
414 posts
Caveat: older senior bats might have the 1.20 stamp. That was to the older way of testing and those bats would be illegal in your league which bans senior bats. As to your original question respecting the Reebok, The label "Senior Softball" is irrelevant. If it says 1.21 it must be a senior bat. Additionally, any bat labeled SSUSA which doesn't have an ASA or USSSA label is in all likelihood a Senior BAT.
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