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Discussion: Western Nationals observations

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Aug. 5, 2013
local
120 posts
Western Nationals observations
ARO placed 3rd in the AAA 60's. We lost to a better team OTE. We also won ,loss, won to Last Call and lost to the Sidewinder both very good teams and class acts. ARO's players like coming to the BIG tournaments to play good teams within our own age and skill levels (AAA).

What we don't like is spending $500 or more per person to play good teams on "Shitty fields". If SSUSA is a business and they are trying to sell a product they are not doing a very good job. What would have been the cost to mow the outfield grass? It was at least 5 inches tall and to make it worse they watered it?

Since I am bitching about things I will bitch a little more.

SSUSA should do away with the "RING" tournaments. If you win the NW Championships or Reno or some of the other National tournament you get the "Privilege" of buying a "Ring". I don't get it ? You have to "BUY" your award.
You are running a business, your business is declining, profits are down. Do you ever ask the big question, Why ???

Last Observation, This was my second contact with Don the tournament director. He did an outstanding job and with the exception of the fields the tournament was well run and organized at The Sacramento Softball Complex.
Aug. 5, 2013
Human
1 posts
Agree with comments about the fields at Sacramento Softball Complex. Other than the bare spots, the outfield grass was 4-6 inches on Sunday in some spots. Ground balls through the infield became instant doubles because the ball stopped when they hit the tall grass. Seems like they could have mowed after Thursday's games. Also agree with comments about the tournament director. He did a great job.
Aug. 5, 2013
TOMAR77
Men's 55
188 posts
Have to agree, we played at Howe Community Park, grass was too tall there as well. Nice community Park would have been a plus if the grass was mowed. Fields were otherwise acceptable. Can't expect that we are going to play at Eagle Sports Complex? (Reno), every Tournament. Shout out to "G.O." who did an outstanding job of running our Tourney. Thank's also to our Competition,who in the end make the Games worthwhile!
Tomar,Git-R-Done 55
Aug. 6, 2013
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Didn't Aro Glass get pushed to Major??? ... Now they are back to AAA??? ... Or was I seeing things!
Aug. 6, 2013
GSWP001
Men's 60
70 posts
Local. I beg to differ with you. It was not grass. It was 1/2 clover, 1/8 grass and 3/8 something unidentifiable. Also it was wet until noon. I think we played in a flood zone. The curbing in the dugout was a nice touch too. Still had fun but fields could have been better.
Aug. 6, 2013
local
120 posts
GSWP001, Yes the curbing in the dugout. We all trip on it every game. As senior we must have forgot it was there!
Aug. 6, 2013
Brock
Men's 65
46 posts
See post under the other "Western Nationals thread". Sorry about the mix up.
Aug. 7, 2013
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Local ... You are ignoring my query ... How did Aro get re-classed to AAA so soon after being re-classed to Major sometime after the Reno tournament?
Aug. 7, 2013
local
120 posts
You should ask SSUSA if you have a concern. I noticed from your past post you asked the same question about Eviro Vac last year after they won Reno. I wonder why Tanel never moved up after winning Western Nationals last year. I don't wonder too much anymore because I have my own team to be concerned about. WE got our butts kicked on Sunday by OTE. They were moved down from Major.
I think SSUSA is probably doing the best they can to keep on top of this.
Aug. 7, 2013
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
Local ... Nope, didn't ask the same question ... Enviro-Vac hadn't been moved up at the time of my post ... Aro Glass got moved up not long after Reno, but then got moved back to AAA ... Why would that be, Local?
Aug. 7, 2013
local
120 posts
Since this seems to be of great concern to you I can tell you what I know. There was an error in calculating numbers that would meet the criteria for the move to Major. When this error was realized the correction was made.
End of story, no sandbagging, no favoritism, I don't know anyone at SSUSA, no one from SSUSA plays on our team and no money exchanged hands.

See you in Vegas !!!
Aug. 7, 2013
#19
Men's 60
252 posts
No great concern at all ... Just curious ... Don't know why you couldn't have explained it the first time I asked.
Aug. 8, 2013
jrd231
17 posts
We played at the Sacramento Complex all three days. Conditions did not change. I am going to make a strong suggestion to our four teams not to play anymore SSUSA tournaments. Safety is supposed to be a concern. Yeah, right. You could not see the outfielders shoes the grass was so deep. The infield had so many rolls in it. It is almost an insult to all senior softball players who play. It is a shame, because we all love these tournament, otherwise we would not complain. It seems to fall on deaf ears.
Aug. 9, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
I was not there, so I have no idea about the field conditions. My only observation is that too many teams in all of these qualifying Nationals, had too many winners with only 1 or 2 teams in their division. Not a true barometer of the best. Why is that? I can only guess that it is because a lot of the Southern California teams have refused to continually go to Northern California to play the Western Nationals and the Cal Cup the past several years. These 2 tournaments should be rotated between Southern and Northern California every other year. Very nice complexes down here in Southern California and maintained. I used to love to play these tournaments in the past, but my teams have chosen to not attend any more, mainly due to location.

Just My Observations!

Andy Smith,
60 Major/55 Major
Aug. 9, 2013
TOMAR77
Men's 55
188 posts
Hey Duke, Martha & I hope that you are doing well! I also believe that rotating the Cal & Western's between the North & South of CA would likely increase the # of Teams. Tough to convince my guy's to Drive the 99 or 5 Fwy's twice to SAC, with-in the 6 weeks they are currently played. Also as far as playing in other states Colorado, Washington , etc. I am personally not opposed, however the Player's on the 60 & under Teams, most still work. Only so much vacation time to spread around. Yes, 1 Day can make a difference.
Tomar
Aug. 9, 2013
Duke
Men's 60
678 posts
Hey Tommy! All is going well here, thanks. Hope the same for you both. Please say hi to Martha and give her a hug from me. Hope to see you and Martha in Hemet. If not, maybe in Vegas at the manager's meeting and/or dinner before or after. Take care and see you soon.

Andy
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