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| Oct. 29 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | E NESS: A 50 or 47 Cor ball, is what we should be using. The cor of these balls can be, like the NSA balls. COMPRESSION---- 400 PSI. The Shark, by DECKER, that LVSSA, used this yr. was a 44 cor ball w/ a 375 comp. This ball flies. The ball that we used did lasted. The last time that I checked, Worth, Trump, & Duddly, were not making 47 or 50 cor balls. 50 cor balls w/ a 400 comp or a 47 cor ball w/ a 400 com, would be a good ball. NO SOCKS.... The STONEMAN...... |
| Oct. 29 E. Ness 122 posts | True but the 50/375 is the safest ball to use because it is a sock. 50 or 47 core 400 would be almost perfect. I would rather see it be 425 |
| Oct. 30 tattooball 774 posts | The decker ball that was used in vegas was not a .44/375 ball, it was the exact ball that got there isa license pulled from them and are no longer legal in isa. |
| Oct. 30 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | I'm with Stoneman. At the core of this whole argument about bats is the quality of the balls. We have to start with good balls or everything will just start going downhill. That's why I think we need a representative or two to notify and get notified back from the ASSOCIATIONS and their TD's as to what will be used in a given Tournament. No good balls, no players. I think we need to organize get something done. |
| Oct. 30 tattooball 774 posts | Because they had continually made the balls out of spec. I have test results from an approved lab from the last two years to back it up, they would have sued me by know if they could have. |
| Oct. 30 einstein Men's 50 3112 posts | Yes, Gary. Good meaning good enough that it can be driven by a good batter with a good bat. They started dumbing balls down in tournaments long before composites came into being. I remember the Worth ESTs before they had them all recalled. They were end loaded and good bats and with a lively ball you could have a lot of fun hitting them around the park. Either to save money or to cut down on broken windows and hurting older slower players some TD's would introduce poorer balls and then with composites the ball quality has just gone to the bottom. |
| Oct. 30 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | TRUMPBALL: At this time, NSA's BALL, a 44 cor w/ a 400 comp, seems to be a great ball. This ball hits will in Summer & Winter. B & N, tested this ball to be a ball w/ a compression of 455 PSI; Have u any results, on NSA's BALL. WHY, can this ball NOT be made into a 50 cor or 47 cor ball? Also, 50 cor & 47 cor balls, are they socks? If, so, is it because these balls are 350 in comp, or what? Some SENIORS, DO NOT BELIEVE THAT 47 OR 50 COR BALLS, have any elasticy to them!! KEVIN, I know that u are a very busy man. Can u help 'us']\ out on softballs ????? THANKS, AGAIN The STONEMAN...... |
| Oct. 31 the wood Men's 65 1123 posts | Stone: If you're referring to the NSA Dudley 44/400 balll, I can attest to its durability and its distance. This is equal to a USSSA Elite ball. As you may know, balls with USSSA stamps on them do not print the 44/440 on them. We've also used two other USSSA Elite balls, Worth and Decker. The Decker is close to the Dudley nut the Worth is a distant third. Now there may be other Elite balls but I haven't seen them. Dudley and Worth also make 47/500 balls (USSSA Distance) and the relationship between them is the same... the Dudley is the better ball. The Dudley absolutely flies but may also be unkind to fragile bats. In speaking with Rideg a while back, he said that not all blls test true to their stamp. It is my unlearned opinion that this is true of both the Dudley and the Decker, particularly the Dudley. Now we're talking about the small seam Dudleys. Our Dudley Elites are 5-6 months old and have had their days in the sun and have endured some moisture along the way... I can truly identify with them. :-) They still fly better than the Decker Elites, which are roughly 10 days old (3 BP sessions). Having stated all of this, I'm not sure that it answers your question. A question for you would be 'what do you expect of the ball?'. If you're taking about fragile bats (Ultra 2, Combat, Synergy), the Dudley and/or Decker Elite would be ideal balls. But if the air temp drops below 65 you might wish to use balls with lower numbers to preserve your bats. I have minimal knowledge of Trump balls so they were left out of this equation. But I know that the SSWC balls are pretty kind to bats and move pretty good in cold to warm weather. I believe that they are the 44/375 Optic Yellow ones (Trump Stote, AK-SS-375). Kevin could provide much more in depth data on them. Short of the Dudley Distance (47/500), hardly any balls work well in hot weather. Some mention was previously made within this thread of 50 cor balls and I'd strongly recommend against them due to bat damage. Ridge used the Baden 44/375 ball in Plano and they seemed to work out fine (100 degrees + -). I hope that this is helpful for you. Bob Woodroof |
| Oct. 31 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | HAY WOOD: or is it P.E.T.A.? As u know, in Vegas, we play yr round. In the summer, it gets up to 115 degrees. NSA, allows 120 MPH bats, I believe. The ball that NSA, uses in Vegas, is a TRUMP STOTE. This ball has a Prohyde Cover AK-44-NSA-Y-CC. I believe that this ball is the same as the same one that the Florida Half Century uses (AK-EZ-FHC.) Please, do not ask me how, several of us Vegas players, have gotten our hands on the F. H. C. ball. At times NSA, has also, used DUDLEY, their Thunder Heat, SY, or ZN would be great Balls 4 SENIORS to use. Baden Balls: Baden's, 1SPA312Y, WOULD also, be a good ball. What ever ball that we SENIORS do use, I hope that this ball is not a "HOT" ball. I.E.: The DECKER SHARK. WORTH, makes a Blue stiched USSSA ball, that is a DISTANCE ball. This ball hit well in Summer & Winter. Super gray Dot, USSSA MAJORS--M12SU The STONEMAN...........................ZZZZZ |
| Oct. 31 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Although LVSSA didn't go as planned recently with the rain-fields-abreviated games,etc. The one thing that everyone seemed to praise was the balls used. I believe they were the Baden "Lexum" but I am not sure what the core and compression ratings were. |
| Nov. 1 STONEMAN Men's 50 535 posts | PETE D: U must not have been playing in the LVSSA'S WORLD. If, u had, u would have seen the DECKER SHARK ball in use. LVSSA, USED A 44 cor ball w/ a 375 comp. ISA, 'kicked' DECKER'S 44 cor ball w/ a 375 comp off of ISA'S, LEGAL BALLS list. This ball is too hot. Several M+, players r hitting the DECKER SHARKS balls from our SPRING EVENT, still over 400 ft, into the Park' Lots @ Lorinza Park. PETE, get off the Clubs back. Is yer following statement a swipe @ LVSSA. "Although LVSSA didn't go as planned recently with the rain-fields-abreviated games,etc.' ?? PLEASE, STAY on the SUBJECT !!!!!!!! AS FAR AS the Baden "Lexum", the only place that I know that this ball is used @ is: 1) St. George, Utah 2) SPA-Plano 3) I was told , that ball was also, used in SALEM, 2 YRS AGO. GOOD LUCK.............The STONEMAN |
| Nov. 1 tattooball 774 posts | The problem with softballs is the heat. If it is hot a low compression ball will not fly very well. The other problem with the balls are companies cheating. If you check ISA and NSA websites you will see that 2 of the companies mentioned here have had there balls removed from play in these associations. So you used X brand .44/375 ball in 100 degree heat and you say it was good, well if that is true it is not a .44/375 ball. Directors need to use balls according to the temps that they will play. We make a micro-cell .44/375 ball that is good for high temps, this ball will play well if it is 90-100 out. Now take the temps like Seattle this year, that was the exact same ball used in St louis and no one complained about it in Seattle. No one should be using high comp balls with ultras and combats. Even with low comp balls the speed at 70 ft is to high but with high comp ball the distance will be 130-140 ft even infielders will have a hard time catching balls. So to summerize this, Use real .44/375 balls when temps are below 85 and micro-cell balls above 85 and you will have a great tournament. Everyone uses 375 cores for 375 comp and 400 comp. USSSA and NSA specs are 400 max ISA is 375 +5% Which is 393.75comp ASA is 375 max Same core different stitch and logo. |
| Nov. 1 4x4 Men's 65 601 posts | Stoneman. Yes I was there and me and another player were looking at this ball after a play in the infield. Perhaps one had gotten crossed into the game somehow, could have happened that way. As for the LVSSA I didn't throw any rocks at them I merely stated things didn't go as planned. They did the best they could with what they had. I know and spoke to Fred and gained some insight as to what all was going on and in my opinion they did all they could. Thanks for the correct info on the ball. Pete |
| Nov. 1 tattooball 774 posts | I started with harwoods also then debeer kapok and then sb12's. Gary this may be the first post you have ever written that I agree with. |
