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Discussion: What happened in Seattle

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Oct. 30, 2006
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
What happened in Seattle
Hey Fran, Dave, Terry et al,
What was/is the final determination and consequences
involved with 2 separate bat confiscations
in Seattle this year?
It should have been enough time
to get back results and to have made some judgments.
We all would like and need to know
so we can see how far we've come
and still need to go.
Oct. 30, 2006
Stones 1B
Men's 55
52 posts
While we're at it...LVSSA What happen in 2005 to the San Antonio team that got caught with the painted Grey Ultra in the 50AA division Dbl Elim game with Family Stones from Hawaii? Saturday afternoon the 3pm game.
In 2005 we were told that the San Antonio team would be suspended for 1 year. Per Wendel Taguchi Tournament Director at that time.

There were 2 players from that same team that played in this year's 50AA dbl elim game between the Texas Pride and Pohaku Ohana on Saturday night. The right fielder and the catcher.
This year they said only the players using the painted grey ultra would/has been suspended. How did your assc. figure who used this illegal bat?
At the fieled we were told that they would look at the photos from EyeCon of last year's game to determine who used it. Huh?
All assc. should be up front with their decisions.
We all know the difficulty of trying to find out if or if not the bats are in fact illegal right there at the field but the San Antonio team was caught "Red Handed" and it's 2006 this year's tournament is over and still no decision going into 2007.
LVSSA you had a chance/opportunity to stand up for what's right and do the right thing for your tournament and for the rest of the teams that are playing by the rules.
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Oct. 30, 2006
Larry Bugman
Men's 55
3 posts
FYI TEXAS PRIDE used only one player from the San Antonio 50's and he was our 3rd baseman. NOT an ourfielder or the catcher. The player who used the altered bat from the San Antonio 50's AA team was banned for 2 years and the team was disqualified from the 2005 tournament. No other team member was banned.
Larry Lanier
Manager of TEXAS PRIDE
Oct. 31, 2006
Stones 1B
Men's 55
52 posts
Hey Larry thanks for the response.

Your right fielder and catcher that played in that Saturday night game against Pohaku Ohana PLAYED for San Antonio last year. I played against them and i know who they were. Your right fielder was ragging all game about our pitchers walking alot of their players.
As far as the player using the bat...more than half the team at that time in 2005 used that same bat.
It's nothing against the Texas Pride team you guys play damn good ball.
It's against LVSSA...they told us last year that the "team" was suspened for 1 year bec' at the time no one owned up to used/owned the bat.
This is what happened...batter uses the bat, after he gets a hit the bat ends up in front of our dugout one of our players sees the bat and calls it to the Mgrs attention, he portest the bat.
The umpire looks at it call the tournament director, Wendel Taguchi they look at it and then asks theSan Antonoi team who's bat is this, no one answers, even the batter the guy standing on first base said he didn't use the bat it was the batter before him that used it, now that batter gets upset that this guy is blaming him forusing the bat.
Honestly about 6/7 guys were usning this bat. How do i know...I sell Sporting Goods here in Hawaii and I'm trying to figure out which Nike bat is this that no one else in the tournament is swinging and no one in Hawaii is using that bat that is just "jacking balls" all over the field.
Believe me Larry you would have said something too.
So it's not The Pride again it's LVSSA.
Your right fielder and your catcher played in 2005 and yes another of our players thought he recognized your 3b but we weren't sure.
We all remember your right fielder who was getting on our players case throughout the 3 1/2 innnings we played.
At the time of stopage the score was 15-6 San Antonio and they were batting in the top of the 4th.
I/We ain't making any of this up Larry this happened.
We and not just our team want to know what these tourneys are going to do when they do in fact catch someone w/illegal equip so all the teams know going into a tournament which "players/teams" are suspended or what ever.
Great job in LV Pride...hope to see you guys next year at one of the tourneys nationwide.
Unitl then as always...Dyin fo Play
Oct. 31, 2006
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1084 posts
Terry Hennessy has asked me to respond to this inquiry with respect to the prohibited bat incident at Celebration Park, where I was the Field Director during the 2006 World Championships. Here are the facts. While watching part of a game, I observed a particular bat being kept just outside the dugout perimeter and being replaced in a bat bag after each use. I became 'curious' about the bat after it had been used and returned to the bat bag, rather than hung on the dugout bat rack, by three (unidentified) players during the course of two half-inning at-bats. The Umpire in Charge and I then asked for, and were given without argument, the bat for inspection. I removed it from the game and sent it to the Miken representative (at another park) for his inspection and opinion. The bat was determined to be an original, and prohibited, grey Miken Ultra re-painted to appear as an allowable Ultra II. The manager of the team met with Terry prior to their next game, a meeting that I did not attend. However, the result of the meeting was that the bat was retained by SSUSA, its owner (but not the other two players) was identified, was declared ineligible for the remainder of the World Championships tournament and began to serve his automatic one year suspension, effective immediately. To date, there has been no appeal of the suspension. The team, it's manager and the player involved handled the inquiry and related results courteously and respectfully at all times and this particular incident is considered a closed matter. DAVE
Oct. 31, 2006
einstein
Men's 50
3114 posts
Thanks, Dave.
That's loud and clear.
There was another incident involving the Northwest Masters team in the same Seattle tournament
and a Synergy that was suspected of being
altered.
Any final information on that incident?
Thanks for all your help.
Oct. 31, 2006
DaveDowell
Men's 60
1084 posts
It is my understanding that the second bat incident is still an open inquiry and that the results of that one will be disclosed, either here and/or in the Senior Softball News, when the matter is resolved. DAVE
Oct. 31, 2006
hoovedog
Men's 50
73 posts
Thanks to the LVSSA for a Great Tournment. I'm Craig Hoover, Texas Pride AA hoovedogus@yahoo.com. Stones 1B, you were right, our coach was confused, the Right Fielder was a San Antonio 50, the catcher. has been a TX. Pride member all year.and the only S.A. 50 on the team was the Right Fielder!!
The S. A. 50'S are our biggest Rivals in Tx. We have Slugged it out at leat 8 Times with them. We were as Stunned as anyone there to find out he was banned, and didn't know all the details till your E-Mail. He thought the S.A. 50's Team
was banned not the Players.You Guys have a great team, and look foward to seeing you again, and maybe catching some of your surf, by the way what does Pohaku Ohana mean?? Hoovedog TX Pride AA R/F Catcher.
Oct. 31, 2006
Stones 1B
Men's 55
52 posts
HooveDog...much Mahalo (thank you) for the reply.

Pohaku Ohana in Hawaiian means Family Stones.

Our club (Family Stones) had 2 fifty teams this year 1 Family Stones in the AAA and and Pohaku Ohana in the AA.
Next year Family Stones will be in the 55's and Pohaku Ohana or Family Stones will be in the 50's.

Thanks and Go Deep, if not just get on let the Designated driver bring you home Safely.
Nov. 8, 2006
audieh
Men's 60
242 posts
Hoove Dog, the last 3 years I have played in Maui with Ed Rose's group from Florida in May. Have you guys played in that tournament? If not we invite you to play as we will be there again in May 2007. Hopefully, the California team will show as well. I'd like to see some combined teams from Chicago, Minnesota, Las Vegas, come and join us. For us it is the most fun tournament of the year with 8 days in Maui. This is the only tournament that the spouse/girlfriends all want to attend. Humm, why is that?
Nov. 11, 2006
hoovedog
Men's 50
73 posts
What are the dates in May?? West end or East end? Best Place to stay? Wives wanting to go,, how about 3 Kids that Surf??The dog even had on a Lei, and Sunglasses!! Hoovedog
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