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Discussion: 40 and over phoenix worlds

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Aug. 27, 2008
headbully
7 posts
40 and over phoenix worlds
Isac Alvidrez (Chito) Larry Whitcomb Dean Aldrige Wallace Dennis Rulli Robert Martinez Matt Suter Brian King Ron Parnell Tim Baker Bailey

if this roster is allowed, why would anyone want to pay for a team to play that team that is being paid to compete???
i spend a lot of money on softball but my team 10 catchers will not be playing if that roster is approved.
Aug. 28, 2008
seniorsammy
2 posts
how many teams have committed to playing so far?
Aug. 29, 2008
twotwo
Men's 50
23 posts
Rally Time/Trust Mortgage has this on our schedule. Should we reconsider?

Hey Bully, what team are you talking about and who do those paid players play for?
Aug. 29, 2008
headbully
7 posts
JK inc we played them in reno as well as phoenix last year, i have asked what the classification requirements are but anyone can play. i decided to not waste the 10k it costs to play a bunch of current major and A players, who get paid to play softball.
Aug. 29, 2008
twotwo
Men's 50
23 posts
Thanks buly, we just played them 3 times in SLC. Big two team tournament. I was wondering what happened to the other teams. Is Phoenix only going to have 2 teams?

Anyways, on another subject. Do you happen to have Joel # up in Seattle? Thanks for any info. Take care.
Aug. 29, 2008
12AM#8
Men's 40
5 posts
It's too bad your team is going to boycott the tournament because you think there is one team entering that you can't beat, even though you may not even play them. Obviously having one stacked team is an issue that SSUSA will have to deal with, but at least offer a suggestion for how you would like to see it resolved. If they really are paying some of their players, that is absolutely ridiculous and there should be an asterisk stamped on their rings:).

Our team is not afraid to play anyone, and personally I would rather place second behind the best team in the world than win a watered down event. However we are not sponsored and if that makes a
difference then it's too bad since I'm sure there are guys on your team who want to compete and there are only so many years to play competitively in the 40+ division. With the SSUSA format, JK Inc can be defeated, even by a team without major or "professional" players. We had a chance to do it in Reno and hopefully we will get another shot at them in Phoenix.

There will be at least three 40+ teams going to Phoenix from Nor Cal, and I would expect at least 10 teams total. Not sure what happened with the Salt Lake City event, for us it would be too much with Phoenix and Vegas on our schedule. You guys should think about entering the Sacramento tournament next year - there were only five teams this year but it was great competition and a fun tournament to play.
Aug. 29, 2008
headbully
7 posts
we are all entitled to our own opinions, it is more the principal of the deal than anything else. we play usssa and nsa c i am spending the $ to take my teams to those worlds. if there was a team that was allowed 9 current major/a players we wouldnt go. i really dont care and i have my own views on this. besides i will save 10k since i fully sponsor all my teams, i just dont pay people to play.
Aug. 29, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4316 posts
headbully;
16.1(4) AMATEUR STATUS
In keeping with the intent of the SSWC Board of Directors to main-tain the Amateur integrity of SSWC Qualifying Tournaments and World Championships, any breach of the rules concerning a player’s amateur status as defined in “Playing Rules” Section 9.1 will result in disqualification of the player and his manager from any and all standing and awards from the tournament and subsequent SSWC
tournaments for the remainder of that year.
9.1 BALL LEAVES THE FIELD..... Dah ...Another book editing problem. Could not find the actual section needed.

Since the section quoted within the passage is incorrect like a lot of other cross references within the book I can't post everything about the Amateur portion which you may want to check on your self. BUt make sure you have the facts correct.
There are many who see the "paying" a player to play differently here, Be it the entry fees, transportation rooms meals or more are different incentives, I guess you could say they are. You can sort that out on your own.
As a younger guy I personally do not feet you are entilted to play here in "senior " events but i do understand that it's about the money you guys bring in to help keep it afloat. After all your 40-45 teams are not even listed to check out ratings for. I do see where you are coming from, I hope it works for you in the end.
Aug. 29, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4316 posts
I was sent a note by the SSUSA staff as to where the info I could not locate is. Here is that info for you:
4.1 AMATEUR STATUS
An amateur player is not compensated for more than ordinary expenses of the Tournament. Under no circumstances will a player be paid for his or her performance. Expenses considered ordinary are left to the judgement of the SSWC Board of Directors. Compensation over and above ordinary expenses will result in
disqualification of the player and manager under Section 5 of the “Official Guide.”
Aug. 29, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
taits shot me an email lost yours
monta
Aug. 29, 2008
headbully
7 posts
you think wallaca and rulli showed in reno for free. wallace said even though resmondo had 4 weekends in a row the money he got paid to play in reno was to good to pass up.
again to each there own but those guys get paid everyweek to play which is ok in the usssa byl;aws above the B level. I guess someone might have to make a decision.
Aug. 29, 2008
taits
Men's 65
4316 posts
Softballer was sent.

headbully;
Not being familiar with the younger generation players and not knowing who you aim this post at, all I can say is that the ABCDe levels are not how SSUSA rates teams their fore, players as a whole I'd say. But in essence the letters work out about the same. Do some investigating and then lodge the facts to the higher ups if you feel the urge.
Sometimes, nothing ventured is really nothing gained. But that is also a two sided sword.
Good luck.
Aug. 29, 2008
softballer
Men's 55
560 posts
you go headbully!
Aug. 30, 2008
mad dog
Men's 60
3930 posts
jk inc is a very good team.they won the ASA 40+,but guess what,they had to do it out of the losers bracket.they beat(double-dip them) giant steel out of long island,ny.so i guess teams can beat them.
Aug. 30, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
The sentiment is that these players are paid to play...and yes....on most days they are that good...I've played with and against many of them. However, I would not consider missing a tournament because I thought I had no chance of winning.

I agree that the rules are in place for a reason. This conversation needs to take place with the people who can do something about it.

BTW-I was under the impression that the 40 division consists of Uppers and Lowers...anyone know?
Aug. 31, 2008
headbully
7 posts
I realize that on any given day yadda yadda yadda. however when you are talking about 8 players who are currently being paid to play every weekend, at the highest level, it has nothing to do with ssusa. however you are correct ther are upper and lowers, we are an upper, and different to most teams i sponsor the team. so i am deciding to save the 10k and not go to this tournament, i have left numerous messages for the powers that be at ssusa, but no return calls.
Sept. 5, 2008
seniorsammy
2 posts
so no one knows how many teams are signed up? sounds like if the director allows JK to bring the team they are talking about most of the competition will bag it. too bad - i enjoy those weekends...
Sept. 7, 2008
headbully
7 posts
senor sammy, i left several messages for terry, he doesnt want to say anything to make sure he gets the teams to pay the 550. put jk in the upper by themselves and all other 40 and over in the lowers, i already told my guys after usssa detroit, nsa st louis and wsl reno i am not shelling out another 10k for this bullshit, i got a great idea terry grow a sack and returna phone call and make a decision. as of now we are out, and i hope others follow suit
Sept. 8, 2008
F.O.G.
Men's 40
105 posts
Headbully: Give me a call...714/393-6453

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